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dcman
Eight years of scientific testing strongly suggest that an ancient skull found in Mexico nearly eight decades ago is something other than entirely human. In fact, the skull known as the "Starchild" might well prove to be the first biological relic confirmed by DNA testing to be a human-alien hybrid.

This remarkable skull is now on the verge of making history as large as history can be made. How it came to be in that improbable position is revealed in a new book, The Starchild Skull - Genetic Enigma or Human-Alien Hybrid?, which recounts my eight years of dragging the skull from expert to expert, seeking those with enough intellectual curiosity to take it seriously and to apply rigorous scientific testing to it, and then have the courage to put their names to their results. It hasn't been easy.
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1930. In the baking high desert of northern Mexico, in a nondescript village in the general area of the Copper Canyon, a teenaged American girl arrived with her family to visit the home from which her parents had emigrated twenty years earlier. She was told to avoid the caves and abandoned mine tunnels in the area because they were dangerous. As soon as she could, she went after the forbidden fruit, and eventually ended up in a mine tunnel.

In that tunnel she found a human skeleton lying supine on the floor. Closer inspection revealed that a bony, "misshapen" hand emerged from a mound of dirt beside the skeleton, and was wrapped around one of its upper arm bones. Assuming a whole skeleton might be buried under the dirt, the girl dug with her hands to reveal a "smaller, totally misshapen" skeleton.
The girl tried to recover every bone of both skeletons, assuming she could find a way to carry them back into the U.S. without her parents or siblings finding out about it. She hid them under a tree, but unfortunately a torrential downpour washed all the bones away-except the two skulls (minus their mandibles) and a broken piece of maxilla from the misshapen one.

As the girl grew up and entered her adult years, she varnished the skulls and put them in a cardboard box, keeping them as ghoulish souvenirs from her first sojourn in Mexico. And so they stayed until her impending death in the early 1990's, when she passed them to friends in her hometown of El Paso, Texas. Those friends eventually passed them to another couple, Ray and Melanie Young, who had a unique skill-set for evaluating what until then was assumed by its owners to be a "genetic deformity." ... more: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0907/outofthisworld.html

The Skeptic Eric Raven
I really think it will end up being totally human.Just deformed. It was a very cool story though.
Tornado
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Sep 28 2007, 10:01 PM) *
I really think it will end up being totally human.Just deformed. It was a very cool story though.

I agree.
Ghost It Notes
This topic amuses me, not sure why. I don't think I'm convinced one way or the other, but I have a funny "connection" to the skull. My fiance's sister has a boyfriend, Jason, who is a DNA expert working in San Fransisco. My fiance and I were watching a show on the Discovery Channel about the Starchild and whaddya know??! We saw Jason on the show being interviewed about the results of his testing on the skull! We had no clue beforehand even what his job was. We had only met a few times before and they live about 200 or so miles away from us, so we don't get together often. The next time we do, I'll have to ask him more about it. alien.gif
JC Denton
Well, if it is real we have proof that true love exist and isn't bound to whatever planet you're from...
bball
Very interesting read. Too bad there is still a wait.
bluelight
oh man... the darn title misled me. I actually thought they got some break through >.>
JC Denton
To be serious about the matter, according to wikipedia (article), the skull is interesting in that it is:

* Found "in the middle of nowhere"...
* Extraordinary large skull...
* The optic nerve canal is located at the bottom, instead of the back...
* No frontal sinuses...
* Back of the skull is flattened, not by artificial means...
* An overload of collagen in the bone structure...
* "Unexplained 'fibers' in the bone of the skull and a reddish residue in the cancellous bone...

...and so on. Now, could all these be natural, one-in-a-million deformity, or a genuine out of this world creature? I guess we'll have to see (and that is if all the statements above are even true)...
AmazingAtheist
All the evidence so far suggests this is not completely human ..

We'll have to wait for the results tongue.gif
sixxx
It's an interesting story - but isn't there testing to find out what species it is (human or non-human?) Couldn't this be solved in a matter of weeks if needed?
Ghost It Notes
The guy I mentioned before, Jason, said on the show that he did indeed find human DNA when he tested the skull, but I don't know if he tried to find other types of DNA at all, being as his specialty is in the human typing. I can't even fathom how one would try to find other types of DNA. Say it turns out that they test it against all known types and it doesn't match. Then what? How could that prove it's "from space"? It would still be a mystery. I wonder how many people think it's just a deformed human and how many think it's part alien?
Ryo Ohki
http://www.theness.com/articles.asp?id=37
JC Denton
î Good find.
evil inside
That poor child, even in death is still being treated like a traveling side show queer.
dcman
QUOTE(evil inside @ Sep 30 2007, 10:14 PM) *
That poor child, even in death is still being treated like a traveling side show queer.



I personally feel this is not an alien hybrid at all, but a malformed child...a truly sad story. What I don't like about this story is that some seem to want to "capitalize" on the misfortune of this child, or so desparately want to believe in aliens that they will do or say anything to further their belief...so sad. I posted this article to see what peoples response to it would be, and I am glad to see that some see it for what it is. If there has been inter-breeding between aliens and humans, why hasn't there been more evidence of it...unless those whom we believe as aliens are not aliens at all?
The___Piper
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I personally feel this is not an alien hybrid at all, but a malformed child...a truly sad story. What I don't like about this story is that some seem to want to "capitalize" on the misfortune of this child, or so desparately want to believe in aliens that they will do or say anything to further their belief...so sad. I posted this article to see what peoples response to it would be, and I am glad to see that some see it for what it is. If there has been inter-breeding between aliens and humans, why hasn't there been more evidence of it...unless those whom we believe as aliens are not aliens at all?


So does that mean that you lied in your first post? That you havent been "dragging it around from expert to expert..." ? The way you sounded in your first post was that you believed in the hybrid theory,so if you werent truthful in that,what else?

Plus,I really dont know about what I think about the skull,but it is interesting.
Lvl375Eng
QUOTE(dcman @ Sep 30 2007, 11:03 PM) *
I personally feel this is not an alien hybrid at all, but a malformed child...a truly sad story. What I don't like about this story is that some seem to want to "capitalize" on the misfortune of this child, or so desparately want to believe in aliens that they will do or say anything to further their belief...so sad. I posted this article to see what peoples response to it would be, and I am glad to see that some see it for what it is. If there has been inter-breeding between aliens and humans, why hasn't there been more evidence of it...unless those whom we believe as aliens are not aliens at all?



I don't really understand what you're trying to do here? First you post a story basically telling the readers that you've personally looked into it and have received scientific backing to suggest the skull is not of human descent. Then you completely contradict what you initially said.

edit: I didn't see the link at the bottom of your post. This story is actually a quote... my bad.
outsider75
you def tell some people do not read these posts before they type their "conclusions"
AmazingAtheist
Has anyone done ANY reading about this?

Read the book?

:l Then you would know many experts say that it's not any deformity that they know of .

It doesn't show any signs of deformation ..
bluelight
this thing has been going on for years now.
Lilly
QUOTE(bluelight @ Oct 1 2007, 11:38 AM) *
this thing has been going on for years now.


Really? Are they simply unable to get any definitive DNA results?
AmazingAtheist
They already have DNA from the mother -

But what they're looking for isn't human DNA ..

I know nothing about the subject of extracting DNA or residue or any of the sort but ..

It would have not taken this long is there wasn't a problem .. So thats what we should presume original.gif


EDIT: Missed out a word tongue.gif
Bill Hill

It's a fine line between interdimensional alien child and spoilt precocious brat with deluded 'pushy' smug parents.
I'd go for the latter, every time.
dcman
QUOTE(The___Piper @ Oct 1 2007, 12:45 AM) *
So does that mean that you lied in your first post? That you havent been "dragging it around from expert to expert..." ? The way you sounded in your first post was that you believed in the hybrid theory,so if you werent truthful in that,what else?

Plus,I really dont know about what I think about the skull,but it is interesting.



The article is not my own; I posted the article here to open it up for discussion. I guess what I would like to see is conclusive evidence that there is non-human DNA in the skull. But until that time it can be proven this is in fact an alien creature, I won't believe it. What would it mean if there is found that there is non-human DNA? ...well, I guess that would be a whole other can of worms. It kind of reminds me of the Aurora, Texas UFO crash of 1897, and the burial of the crafts pilot...where the town folk gave the poor little creature a proper burial in the local cemetery. This incident, whether true or not, has had just enough publicity to stay afloat for over 100 years. For reasons unknown, the Aurora Cemetery Association fought the attempts to exhume the alleged alien body. They were successful, and the dead alien's remains stayed a mystery. The town of Aurora still shows traces of Military intervention today, and the question must be asked, "Why would the U. S. Military be in the town of Aurora?"

Source: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html
dcman
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 1 2007, 01:44 PM) *
The article is not my own; I posted the article here to open it up for discussion. I guess what I would like to see is conclusive evidence that there is non-human DNA in the skull. What would it mean if there is found that there is non-human DNA? ...well, I guess that would be a whole other can of worms. It kind of reminds me of the Aurora, Texas UFO crash of 1897, and the burial of the crafts pilot...where the town folk gave the poor little creature a proper burial in the local cemetery. This incident, whether true or not, has had just enough publicity to stay afloat for over 100 years. For reasons unknown, the Aurora Cemetery Association fought the attempts to exhume the alleged alien body. They were successful, and the dead alien's remains stayed a mystery. The town of Aurora still shows traces of Military intervention today, and the question must be asked, "Why would the U. S. Military be in the town of Aurora?"

Source: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Aurora.html


Article from 1897: http://www.ufocasebook.com/haydonarticle.jpg

curious...long before the Wright Bros took flight, these airships were flying in our skies...not a balloon...but made of an unknown metal at that time.
The___Piper
QUOTE
The article is not my own; I posted the article here to open it up for discussion. I guess what I would like to see is conclusive evidence that there is non-human DNA in the skull. But until that time it can be proven this is in fact an alien creature, I won't believe it. What would it mean if there is found that there is non-human DNA? ...well, I guess that would be a whole other can of worms. It kind of reminds me of the Aurora, Texas UFO crash of 1897, and the burial of the crafts pilot...where the town folk gave the poor little creature a proper burial in the local cemetery. This incident, whether true or not, has had just enough publicity to stay afloat for over 100 years. For reasons unknown, the Aurora Cemetery Association fought the attempts to exhume the alleged alien body. They were successful, and the dead alien's remains stayed a mystery. The town of Aurora still shows traces of Military intervention today, and the question must be asked, "Why would the U. S. Military be in the town of Aurora?"


Dude,im sorry. i guess I should read other peoples stuff more carfully,at least Im not the only one though. Still,im sorry.

And Yeah I have heard about the alien body being buried at the cemetary. And supposedly from what I heard, some man who got water from the well they threw the metal in got some kind of diesae or something.
Master J
What ever it is, it does deserve more research.


Those anomalies in the bone structure alone are very intriguing....
Ghost It Notes
It absolutely has human DNA. No doubt there. But as for other DNA....what would we have to compare it to if it is alien?
dcman
QUOTE(Ghost It Notes @ Oct 7 2007, 02:35 AM) *
It absolutely has human DNA. No doubt there. But as for other DNA....what would we have to compare it to if it is alien?



nothing at all, and that is the point...it would be alien.
psyche101
QUOTE(Master J @ Oct 2 2007, 08:52 AM) *
What ever it is, it does deserve more research.
Those anomalies in the bone structure alone are very intriguing....



That's what I find strange about this case in particular.


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The skull is abnormal in several aspects. A dentist determined that it was a child's skull, due to unerupted teeth being impacted in the associated upper right maxilla found with the skull. However, the volume of the interior of the starchild skull is 1600 cubic centimeters, which is 200 cm3 larger than the average adult's brain, and 400 cm3 larger than an adult of the same approximate size. The orbits are oval and shallow, with the optic nerve canal situated at the bottom of the orbit instead of at the back. There are no frontal sinuses. The back of the skull is flattened, but not by artificial means. The skull consists of calcium hydroxyapatite, the normal material of mammalian bone, but there is an overload of collagen in it, much more than is usual for human bone
psychicstuff
The shape of the head kind of looks like the shape of the whatever it is' head in this video.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1186676490
The___Piper
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The shape of the head kind of looks like the shape of the whatever it is' head in this video.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f76_1186676490


What exactly were they trying to show by darkening the rest of the screen at the very end of teh movie? I couldn't tell.
psychicstuff
QUOTE(The___Piper @ Oct 10 2007, 07:58 PM) *
What exactly were they trying to show by darkening the rest of the screen at the very end of teh movie? I couldn't tell.


I saw the shadow of the guy behind a curtain thing doing the video taping. I think that's what you are talking about.
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