Not a four tho seraphina. You would have been far too young.

Its a really cool story and although it shouldn't be its kinda creepy, but maybe thats just because i am imagining how it would be portrayed in a movie.
You know in a Shining type redrum scene .

Maybe someone else in the family is feedin the kid some religious ideas, if not then......, anyway cool story

What does that have to do with it?

*giggles* you give far to much credit to your theist brethren.
trying to disprove evolution is like trying to disprove the moon landings:)
as for contradictions in the bible, there are plenty, thats a fact, twisting the meanings around in an attempt show otherwise is plain silly:)

you should have said
"logic wins"
"theist puts fingers in ears and sings"
and then have the mod enter the picture:)

remember kiddies, faith is not proof.

Ok Bathory; then lets try and disprove the lunar landing so to speak. But lets assume for the moment that Evolution is completely responible for everything that exist; there is no intelligent design (this includes all "Alien breeding theories") in anything in this part of Space-Time. We will say for the sake of arguement that it all really did start out with a "Big Bang," caused by a chunk of compressed matter. This "Big Bang" then in time brought about the solar system; and in such a way that it is able to sustain life. Completing the circle by actually creating living cells, out of non-living cells; and all merely by chance.
There is a few "contradictions" that I see in this explaination.
1. Where did the matter that started the "Big Bang" come from if the "Big Bang" is responsible for creating everything?
2. How do planets arrainge themselves so that they are suitable for life forms; when the planet does not think, and therefore cannot calibrate itself to fit those life forms.
3. How does a fried out chunk of non-organic dust become alive anyways?

Oh! And remember we need proof! Faith in Evolution will not work!

perhaps it was always there? perhaps the universe is in a constant cycle of being reborn? just because we can't answer that is in no way evidence of a creator god...
what created god?

they don't...where the heck did you come up with that one?

well think about it, everything at its most basic form is made up of 'non-organic dust', as far as my understanding of it is, chemical reactions occured, creating amino acids, amino acids form together creating proteins, etc etc Seraphina could most likely explain it far better than i can

now you guys will whine about me using a link as a proof, but i'm not about to go and write up pages and pages of crap just to satisfy your urges:)
some proofs of evo

now if you actually read it, please feel free to comment on and dispute anything there.

care to offer some creationist evidence?..

actually, its logical because when logic is applied to it, it stands the test...
but points for trying:)

Better to be all knowing than all following

I similarly wish to weep when I witness such blissful naivety amongst people.

The lad is four years old, and mummy and daddy had never told them about God or Jesus, and that is considered proof of God, I mean come on....

When I was four I remember sitting in a bath and asking my mum "if I could have a piss". Amusing as this may seem, the point is relevant. I had never heard that word from my mum. I had heard it in the playground, thought it was right and proper, and a nice new word to my dictionary, and therefore used it. (PS Mum was none too impressed)

Four year old children are very attentive. They hear things from a whole range of sources, not just their immediate family. Television, discussions in the supermarket, nursery, playgrounds etc. If said parents believe that the only things their son ever learn is from them, then I seriously doubt their mental capacity to be parents.

I was brought up a Catholic, but the more time goes on the more you realise that 95% of religion is made up. It's a way of explaining the wonders of the universe without having to think too rationally about it. "So where did we all come from mummy?" "God created us dear". "Great. That's that then. Game on"

There may well be an afterlife. There may well be a God of some description. None of us know anything for sure, but considering the many thousands of different types of religions, no matter how primitive they are, I continually find it astounding that people are so certain that theirs is the correct one. What is more disturbing is the insistance of enforcing these beliefs on their children (but that's another story). The reason a lot of children do not question the existence of God is because they are told by their parents that it is fact (Gospel if you like). Small children do not believe that their parents would ever tell a lie to them. That's just the innocent world in which they live.

Examples of how 'blind faith' is not necessarily a good thing:-

Let's look at September 11th 2001? The terrorists in question were quite convinced that their actions would lead them to an eternity in paradise. It's only when you look from the outside at their beliefs, you realise just how ridiculous they were.

For me there is no greater evil than two parents allowing their son/daughter to die because their religion bans them from having a blood transfusion. Another example of enforcing beliefs on people who may, if they had reached adulthood, have had totally different beliefs themselves. I'm sorry, but if there is an all loving God out there, do you seriously believe that he would condemn you to Hell for receiving blood from another person when you are not even old enough to know anything about it!? This happened to a young boy in our town many years back. In all probability he could have been saved by a blood transfusion. The parents refused admission, the little lad died, but that's OK because he was off to paradise (How the f#ck do they know? It's one hell of a big risk don't you think?). Well if there is a just God up there, those parents should be sent packing to Hell the minute they depart this Earth!

Limited yes, but as I say it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility. I appreciate your intrigue, especially as you are a non-believer yourself; what gets me is there are a whole host of people out there who take even the flimsiest of evidence as "proof". I fear for these people. It's important to have beliefs, but it's even more important to be open minded and rational about things.

That is superb! I did much the same when I was about 6, having heard a word at a playground that I was dying to use. Sitting round the dinner table I apparently turned to my Dad and asked "why are you such a sod". Went down like a lead balloon.

Bathory , it is known we need faith in god being always their , but in evolution what is needed for "Perhaps" in any theory ? Faith , thats what crosswarrior ws saying , that you do require a bit of faith in evolution in well . Their are fossil records , bits and peices of evidence here and their , so there is an amount of proof in evolution , but what you just said "perhaps it was always there?" proofs crosswarriors point .

Agreed! And I have unquestionable faith in my god No Im not another crazy kid! I have just had my own experiences with the lord... I do put strong faith in the bible
In the event certain parts of it were translated correctly... although I think it would be rather wise to retranslate the hebrew texts with a computer.... then retranslate them by hand to see wich was better.... and of course the massive differences between the originals translations and the new translations

agreed!

Also did a quick search for "baby tell me about god and the angels i'm forgetting"

found 2 links....

here and here

this page states this story came from "Sophy BURNHAM: Angel Letters, Ballantine Books (New York, 1991), pp.139-140"


My conclusion, this story is false.

well aside from the creation of the universe not really being part of the 'theory of evolution'. the difference is, scientists are coming from a position of evidence and testing to support their theories, while creationists are simply coming from a position with absolutely no evidence to support their ideas. Current observational evidence seems to indicate that the universe started without cause, as opposed to, the universe was created by a god/gods because we say so...
now it seems you missed the point of my 'perhaps' line, it was more to indicate we aren't too sure, and that theories regarding such things are based on actual evidence and tested until the point that they either proven false or become established theories, only to be replaced by newer theories that improve on the original idea.

How do you come to the conclusion that the two theories go hand in hand?

One explaines how the universe may have started, the other explains the progression of living creatures over millions of years. They are two seperate matters.