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sonofkrypton
This theory is scoffed at by most but there is a certain degree of evidence:-

Aristotle wrote of a people called the Proselenes who lived in Arcadia a mountainous region in central greece long before the coming of the greeks. The name Selene-the greek goddess of the moon-has come to refer to the moon itself, and the term proselenes means ''before the moon'' According to ancient legend, the Proselenes held claim to Arcadia because they lived there ''before there was a moon in the heavens'' The greek writer Plutarch also referred to ''prelunar people'' in Arcadia and the Roman author Ovid stated that the Arcadian ''folk is older than the moon'' The roman Apollonius Rhodius wrote that the Arcadians ''dwelt on the mountains and fed on the acorns before there was a moon.'' In Tibetan texts, there are references to a people on a lost continent named Gondwana, said to be civilized before there was a moon shone in the night sky.
Iconoclast Immanuel Velikovsky also has written about an early time before there was a moon ''the traditionsof diverse people offer corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age, but still in the memory of mankind, no moon accompanied the Earth'' he said. Velikovsky quotes from the finnish epic Kalevala regarding a time '' when the moon was placed in orbit''

It would explain why the moon gives evidence of being much older than the earth and perhaps even our solar system

It explains why there are three distinct layers within the moon, with the most dense materials in the outside layer. This is exactly the type of ''hull'' one would expect to find on a spacecraft

It would also explain the magnetism found in moon rocks. These rocks were magnetized as the ''mooncraft'' passed by planets and suns on its journey through space.

An artificially hollowed-out would explain why the satellite rang like a bell for hours when struck by the apollo seperation section

it all is a bit strange no alien.gif
joc
So...

...Once upon a time, the moon was a space craft full of aliens. Upon entering an orbit of the Earth they experienced problems and were not able to leave Earth's orbit. Once they entered Earth's orbit, the major gravitational shift caused the oceans to swell. Mass flooding and weather changes occured. Noah built an ark and the dinosaurs and the rest of man kind perished. The moon is still a spacecraft full of aliens. They come and go as they please taking from Earth whatever they need. We never see them because they
always come and go from 'the dark side' of the moon. That is why we have so many UFO sightings. It is the aliens who live inside the moon. God help us all, once they figure out how to start up their space craft and leave Earth's orbit. This will again cause massive flooding and mass extinction.

Hmmmmmmmmm...I think this might be the beginning of a sci-fi novel. Perhaps this post should be moved to the Writers and Artists Hangout.....just kidding wink2.gif
Ancient World Wonders
QUOTE (sonofkrypton @ Jan 8 2004, 04:45 PM)
This theory is scoffed at by most but there is a certain degree of evidence:-

Aristotle wrote of a people called the Proselenes who lived in Arcadia a mountainous region in central greece long before the coming of the greeks. The name Selene-the greek goddess of the moon-has come to refer to the moon itself, and the term proselenes means ''before the moon'' According to ancient legend, the Proselenes held claim to Arcadia because they lived there ''before there was a moon in the heavens'' The greek writer Plutarch also referred to ''prelunar people'' in Arcadia and the Roman author Ovid stated that the Arcadian ''folk is older than the moon'' The roman Apollonius Rhodius wrote that the Arcadians ''dwelt on the mountains and fed on the acorns before there was a moon.'' In Tibetan texts, there are references to a people on a lost continent named Gondwana, said to be civilized before there was a moon shone in the night sky.
Iconoclast Immanuel Velikovsky also has written about an early time before there was a moon ''the traditionsof diverse people offer corroborative testimony to the effect that in a very early age, but still in the memory of mankind, no moon accompanied the Earth'' he said. Velikovsky quotes from the finnish epic Kalevala regarding a time '' when the moon was placed in orbit''

It would explain why the moon gives evidence of being much older than the earth and perhaps even our solar system

It explains why there are three distinct layers within the moon, with the most dense materials in the outside layer. This is exactly the type of ''hull'' one would expect to find on a spacecraft

It would also explain the magnetism found in moon rocks. These rocks were magnetized as the ''mooncraft'' passed by planets and suns on its journey through space.

An artificially hollowed-out would explain why the satellite rang like a bell for hours when struck by the apollo seperation section

it all is a bit strange no alien.gif

Can you give me your references from text books where you picked up this info? Thanks. Sounds intriguing.
Sandy Band
Surely the fact that the moon is older than earth can be explained by the fact that the galaxy formed by all the various bits and bobs floating around until such time that two bodies happened to be at the correct distance and weight so that one ended up orbiting the other, with both on a merry circuit round the sun.

What are these aliens doing at the moment? Waiting for a tow truck to come and take them back to a space-garage and fill it up with unleaded?

And could you clarify the following

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the satellite rang like a bell for hours when struck by the apollo seperation section


Where is the evidence of this, please? Surely the apollo seperation module hitting the moon would be like a speck of dust hitting Big Ben, given their relative sizes.
MCHawking
Sandy Band,

Why did you have to be so silly as to say this:

"What are these aliens doing at the moment? Waiting for a tow truck to come and take them back to a space-garage and fill it up with unleaded?"

Firstly, you know that the aliens don't use unleaded, it's a trick question designed to make the author of the original post look stupid. As you are aware, aliens use diesel fuel in their moon spaceship as it's more economical when coming to Earth and buying a few litres from the local station, unleaded costs more.

Secondly, who has ever heard of spaceship tow trucks? I think you're being a bit flippant. Everyone knows that rescue ships come along with a band of grey engineers to fix the moonships and tweak the engines to get a few more horsepower. Some are dodgy and even put a sports exhaust on to get a few more horses kicking.

My thoughts are that perhaps there was no moon a long time ago, as those texts may indicate. It may have got caught in Earth's gravitational field while passing and stayed in orbit since then.

Although, thinking about it, there was talk when I was a young'un about there being a man in the moon. No one said what colour he was, but perhaps he was grey...
zygon
Ooooh, like star wars, the death star, but the death moon! cool!
sonofkrypton
QUOTE
Why did you have to be so silly as to say this:

"What are these aliens doing at the moment? Waiting for a tow truck to come and take them back to a space-garage and fill it up with unleaded?"

Firstly, you know that the aliens don't use unleaded, it's a trick question designed to make the author of the original post look stupid. As you are aware, aliens use diesel fuel in their moon spaceship as it's more economical when coming to Earth and buying a few litres from the local station, unleaded costs more.

Secondly, who has ever heard of spaceship tow trucks? I think you're being a bit flippant. Everyone knows that rescue ships come along with a band of grey engineers to fix the moonships and tweak the engines to get a few more horsepower. Some are dodgy and even put a sports exhaust on to get a few more horses kicking.

My thoughts are that perhaps there was no moon a long time ago, as those texts may indicate. It may have got caught in Earth's gravitational field while passing and stayed in orbit since then.
Although, thinking about it, there was talk when I was a young'un about there being a man in the moon. No one said what colour he was, but perhaps he was grey...


very good
particle man
Im sorry if this has been posted but if there was no moon how did the tides work and also another question I have is that what are the aliens doing now hiding in my basment playing scrabble and monopoly till they can come out and if the moon was really a space craft woudnt there have to be some sort of propolsion system alien.gif


P.S every one have a good day grin2.gif
sourpatchkid
wow i usually play the skeptic but this theory is not all that far out there-at least some of it isnt. the truth is that no one really knows where our moon came from. there are several different theories. previous to the moon landing (which did really happen) the most accepted theory was that the moon was originally a part of the earth, which was much larger at the time. some time ago, about 2.5 billion years ago, a very large object passing through space collided with the earth. the collision caused a small chunk of our planet to be dislodged. the small piece (moon) did not have the momentum to escape the gravity of the larger piece (earth). when rocks were brought back from the moon it was found that they didnt match any rocks on earth, therefore it was not a logical conclusion that the moon was originally a part of our planet. the better observation of the surrounding solar system has shown us that of the some 100 "moons" -most of which are actually incindentals, the majority of them are not by any means spherical. just take a look at the moons of mars, our closest neighbor. the fact that our moon is spherical leads to the conclusion that it formed independently in space, as did the planets of our system. the next problem is this: it did not form where it currently is, its proximity is such that any and all material that would have caused the moon to form would have been pulled in by the gravity of the earth as it formed. so the two most current theories are that A: the moon formed independently of the earth, in the place it is now, after the formation of the earth. or B: (and this is the most commonly accepted theory) the moon is a small planet, which was caught in the gravitational field of the earth as it was passing through our solar system. this later theory provides for the fact that it is entirely possible that VERY VERY early civilizations were around to see a sky without a moon.
but no, i dont believe it is hollow, nor do i believe it is a spaceship.
QUOTE
Im sorry if this has been posted but if there was no moon how did the tides work

not to be a cynical a*s but if there was no moon the tides wouldnt "work" its not like the tides are required in order for us to be alive, or for the earth to go on functioning.
Snakeman
My Father use to tell my the earth was the ship...... And all the life on the planet was it's cargo...... Two dogs male and female.... Two cats..... Rats, pigs, humans. The ship faild to make it's destination and fell into an orbit around a star that was well known...... After the crue was saved the ship and it's cargo was was found to be unworthy of salvage and was left behind...... As the lightyears went by the dust and debris collected onto the massive hull and the cargo some thrived...... That's why if you dig deep enough you'll Find 1 of 3 things....... Water, Oil , Metal.... Well it's just something my dad use to tell me.
sourpatchkid
thats funny though snakeman, a good story to carry on for your children
EmeraldTwilight
QUOTE (Sandy Band @ Jan 9 2004, 12:09 PM)

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the satellite rang like a bell for hours when struck by the apollo seperation section


Where is the evidence of this, please? Surely the apollo seperation module hitting the moon would be like a speck of dust hitting Big Ben, given their relative sizes.

Anything that orbits a planet is considered a sattelite. The moon is the sattelite that rang like a bell. It's all over the internet. (At least thats what I believe he's saying.)
Nethius
ringing rocks are not that unusual, we have them on earth!

http://www.unmuseum.org/ringrock.htm
Uncle Meat
i dont know if it was just me, but i found that first post extremely hard to follow disgust.gif

by the way, emerald-nice avatar!
mr_halo
well that would be very amazing if it were true, i always thought there was something odd about the moon, i hope theres aliens in it, or atleast i hope there was aliens in it....i've heard about the moon ringing when a spacecraft landed on it before... wacko.gif
WonderWoman
In regards to the moon being Artificial, isn't there a monolith that is 5 miles high on the lunar surface that was spotted during the apollo 12 mission or something? Who put it there? ALso, the same goes for IAPETUS. It has the oddest formation, looks like the death star...has the oddest orbit because one side always faces the sun, and one side is full of some kind of unknown dark matter while the other half is reflective. Not to mention the great wall running through its circumference.
SO maybe we are just the new kids on the block...and the old fogeys of the universe put those satellites into orbit millenias ago...

WW
Raptor
QUOTE(sourpatchkid @ Aug 20 2004, 04:57 AM) [snapback]239625[/snapback]


not to be a cynical a*s but if there was no moon the tides wouldnt "work" its not like the tides are required in order for us to be alive, or for the earth to go on functioning.


Actually you're wrong.
There's a theory that life on Earth originated from Tide Pools; which are obviously affected by the Lunar Tides.

If we didn't have the moon there's a very good chance we wouldn't be here either.
Nethius
Wow, this topic is almost 2 years old...

QUOTE(WonderWoman @ Feb 23 2006, 02:38 PM) [snapback]1075402[/snapback]

In regards to the moon being Artificial, isn't there a monolith that is 5 miles high on the lunar surface that was spotted during the apollo 12 mission or something? Who put it there?

Nope.

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Also, the same goes for IAPETUS. It has the oddest formation, looks like the death star...has the oddest orbit because one side always faces the sun, and one side is full of some kind of unknown dark matter while the other half is reflective. Not to mention the great wall running through its circumference.
SO maybe we are just the new kids on the block...and the old fogeys of the universe put those satellites into orbit millenias ago...

Just a crater, it does look cool, but it's nothing more then a big crater. As for the ridge, no final answer on that yet.
Immortal Norway
The moon is a spaceship ?... i don`t think so !... But still aliens living on/in the moon sounds realy belivebal.
Saxon
The inclination of the Moon's orbit makes it implausible that the Moon formed along with the Earth or was captured later; its origin is the subject of some scientific debate.

Recently, the giant impact hypothesis has been considered a more viable scientific theory for the moon's origin than the coformation or condensation theory.

The Giant Impact theory holds that the Moon formed from the ejecta resulting from a collision between a very early, semi-molten Earth and a planet-like object the size of Mars, which has been referred to as Theia or Orpheus.

The material ejected from this impact would have gathered in orbit around earth and formed the moon.

This hypothesis is bolstered by two main observations: First, the composition of the moon resembles that of the earth crust, whereas it has relatively few heavy elements that would have been present if it formed by itself out of the same material from which earth formed.

Second, through radiometric dating, it has been determined that the moon's crust formed between 20 and 30 million years after that of the earth, despite its smallness and associated larger loss of internal heat.

Moon
Wombat
QUOTE(Saxon @ Feb 25 2006, 07:51 PM) [snapback]1078915[/snapback]

The inclination of the Moon's orbit makes it implausible that the Moon formed along with the Earth or was captured later; its origin is the subject of some scientific debate.

Recently, the giant impact hypothesis has been considered a more viable scientific theory for the moon's origin than the coformation or condensation theory.

The Giant Impact theory holds that the Moon formed from the ejecta resulting from a collision between a very early, semi-molten Earth and a planet-like object the size of Mars, which has been referred to as Theia or Orpheus.

The material ejected from this impact would have gathered in orbit around earth and formed the moon.

This hypothesis is bolstered by two main observations: First, the composition of the moon resembles that of the earth crust, whereas it has relatively few heavy elements that would have been present if it formed by itself out of the same material from which earth formed.

Second, through radiometric dating, it has been determined that the moon's crust formed between 20 and 30 million years after that of the earth, despite its smallness and associated larger loss of internal heat.

Moon

I love facts. No idiotic guesswork which is 95% likely to be wrong. Keep it up.
Raptor
QUOTE(Wombat @ Feb 25 2006, 09:40 PM) [snapback]1079157[/snapback]

I love facts. No idiotic guesswork which is 95% likely to be wrong. Keep it up.


So please enlighten us with your facts.
Larving
I would like to answer the first post..
But I think I would need to use so much sarcasm my head would explode blink.gif
Not to mention the ridiculing! I won't even dare to think about the ridiculing...
Kryso
So what of all the other moons that circle other planets in our system! A fleet of vessels ready to take over the whole system?
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