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dancin'hamster
I was just reading a post where someone asked if you could create a ghost.

Well the answer is YES

This is a very famous case, but many people may not have heard of it, so here it is ~

In the early seventies, a paranormal research group in Toronto, under the leadership of a Dr. A. Owen, began an exceptional experiment. They decided to see if it was possible to create their very own ghost!
The small group decided that before the ghost could be brought to life as it were, every single member of the experiment would have to believe in it.
The members then created a totally fictitious background with great care and detail. It was an epic romantic story set in England in the seventeenth century, a time of turmoil and trouble.
Their creation would be an English Aristocrat, named Philip. He would be married but having a passionate affair with a servant girl (or gypsy girl - depending on which account you read). Philips' wife found out about the affair, and accused the girl of witchcraft - a crime that carried an automatic death sentence in such superstitious times.
The unfortunate girl would be tortured until she confessed, then burned alive at the stake or strangled, and her lover Philip would fail to to save her life because of his social standing. To admit an affair would have caused a dreadful scandal, and affair with a witch would surely have ruined him. He chose his wealth and let his love die.
This then was a brief explanation of the background of the ghost, and his reasons for not being able to rest in peace. He would need to assuage his guilt, and be reassured that his true love would forgive him, and be waiting for him on the other side.

After months of meditating and convincing themselves of his existance, the group then tried to contact him.
Their first attempts proved to be fruitless and produced no results at all.
Undaunted, they continued and it was the late summer of 1973 that they finally made contact with the 'spirit' of anguished Philip.
(It is worth pointing out that by this stage, the group were very relaxed, not concentrating too hard on the task. It is in this state that many groups claim to contact spirits).

The group were using 'rapping' to contact their creation. No, not 'yo-yo wassup my dawg?' rapping! laugh.gif

They would ask a question and used the general code of rap once for yes, two for no etc
They began to get responses. The questions asked of Philip, and the answers given were generally in accordance with the false story the team had concocted.
Philip graduated to moving a table on which the researchers lightly placed their hands - a practice called 'table turning'; The energies were so strong that the table was reported to shoot across the room.
A TV company, Toronto City Television, expressed an interest in the story and invited the group along. In front of TV cameras Philip put on a sterling performance, rapping the table and making it sway.

Once the group had achieved their goal, the belief in Philip waned, and they were no longer able to contact him. It was only when they began to re-learn the story, and re-learn their belief that he popped up again.

This is very similar to Tulpas and how they are created.
Perhaps this is why people who blindly and desperately believe in ghosts, see ghosts?

The full story of Philip is easy to find - just Google it and see what you find!
chrisfreak
Amazing!! This is somehow related with another thread about our ability to create "God"
goalienan
You come up with the best stories...I'm going to google it later, thanks for the info.... original.gif
MasterPo
The infamous Philip Experiment. That's a classic. Do a web search on it. Many good articles.

Of course, there is the chance they did happen to summon/conjure an entity that posed as Philip too.
the14u2cee
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Sep 30 2007, 08:25 AM) *
The infamous Philip Experiment. That's a classic. Do a web search on it. Many good articles.

Of course, there is the chance they did happen to summon/conjure an entity that posed as Philip too.


Thats what i believe, you know how most physics have someone from the other side that helps them, and remember that bad spirits or demons love to lie and pretend like there who we want them to be...
Barek Halfhand
A member here proposed creating ghost in Chatroom Land as a communal effort....it would be miraculous if this was genuine phenomena....b







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MasterPo
I think a good aspect of the Philip Experiment was to show the power (?) of collective thinking. I've often read skeptics of the paranormal say that what we observe aren't ghosts but somehow the thought energy of the mind manifesting. IOW, in a small area everyone around wants something to happen and so it does.

There maybe a grain of truth to this. I have read about experiments that do seem to show the ability of the mind to control random events (like random number generation). Even by "ordinary" people w/o any known psychic abilities.

In any event, it's a fasinating read that anyone interested in the paranormal should be aware of.
the14u2cee
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Sep 30 2007, 08:46 AM) *
I think a good aspect of the Philip Experiment was to show the power (?) of collective thinking. I've often read skeptics of the paranormal say that what we observe aren't ghosts but somehow the thought energy of the mind manifesting. IOW, in a small area everyone around wants something to happen and so it does.

There maybe a grain of truth to this. I have read about experiments that do seem to show the ability of the mind to control random events (like random number generation). Even by "ordinary" people w/o any known psychic abilities.

In any event, it's a fasinating read that anyone interested in the paranormal should be aware of.


How do you explain the photographs?
Veliska
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Sep 30 2007, 03:25 PM) *
The infamous Philip Experiment. That's a classic. Do a web search on it. Many good articles.

Of course, there is the chance they did happen to summon/conjure an entity that posed as Philip too.

I agree......I found many great articles.
MasterPo
QUOTE(the14u2cee @ Sep 30 2007, 11:50 AM) *
How do you explain the photographs?


Could be the same thing. The collective thinking of the minds that caused the other paranormal activity I suppose could have manifested into something that was photographable. There's little doubt energy can be photographed. The only question in this case is the source of it.
sixxx
Being a Torontonian, local rumours about a ghost named Philip sometimes arise but then fall. Not many people (with the exception of a few youngin's like me) who talk about it know about the Philip Experiments.

I think it's a very good example of collective thinking, and the power of thought. I also believe that if they opened a channel to communicate with a spirit, then any spirit may have been able to communicate with them. Regardless, it's a very interesting story.
Elfstone810
Dancin' Hamster, you do always have great stories! I wondered, when I saw the title of this post, if you were going to bring up the Phillip experiments. I think it's interesting how the answer to one question ("can we create a ghost") raises so many more. IMO that's why this field is so fascinating, because there are no easy answers and the mysteries are nowhere near being solved.

This isn't directly related, but it makes me think of a book I just read. The book is called Grave's End and it's about a long-term haunting in a house in New York. The book came out several years ago, I think, but I avoided it for a long time because the haunting ended, according to the book cover, with a visit from Hans Holzer. You've all probably heard of Holzer, who is a very famous author, but having read several of his books I find him annoying and some things I've heard about him makes it hard for me to take anything he's involved in too seriously.

Anyway, I finally read the book and was interested to find that the author ended up with some of the same reservations about Holzer as I have, even though whatever he and the psychic he brought with him did effectively ended the hauntings. I won't try to go into the whole story here as I'm sure this isn't the place for it (you can all take your fingers out of your ears and stop whistling now! tongue.gif) but Holzer and the psychic claimed to contact numerous ghosts. Some of what they came up with fit the known history of the house and some of it was frankly nonsensical, but the manifestations stopped. So what's the deal? Where is the line between imagination and reality? How much is objective and how much is "Phillip"?
dancin'hamster
Thank you to everyone who has taken the time and the trouble to reply to this post - it's nice to know people are interested grin2.gif

I think you all raised some very valid points!

Yes - if the group did contact something there is certainly a chance that it was fibbing. There are hundreds of accounts of 'spirits' lying and deceiving people by pretending to be someone else. Most of the reports come via the use of Ouija boards.

If the group had managed to create their own 'Tulpa' then there is no reason that it couldn't be photographed. These 'mind creatures' are not subjective, and are seen by independent witnesses.

I had a very dodgey experience with a home-made Ouija board many years ago. I like to think we created our own Tulpa through fear and ignorance and oodles of teenaged angst and hormones laugh.gif I think I posted it on here about 3 years ago.....
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