This question is for everyone... skeptics, non believers, and believers...

Where do you believe you go when you pass away? I won't take just in the ground as an answer, because our energy & spirit goes somewhere. The very question everyone asks is where?

I've often heard about our "energy". I know the body does generate a lot of electric energy while we are alive. But who's really to say if that energy does in fact go somewhere when we die? IOW, physically speaking why does it have to go someplace?

When the chemicals inside a battery are used up the electric energy it generates stops.
When you turn off a portable generator the electric flow stops.
When light no longer hits a solar cell the electricity stops.

In all these case it's just a stop of energy. No one says the electrical energy goes somewhere else.

So, other than spiritual beliefs, why do people think the body's energy goes somewhere when the physical form ceases?

I'm still up in the air about what I believe happens when we die. I am not a believer of Heaven/Hell, but I do believe that humans have a soul. The experiments performed Dr. Duncan MacDougall in 1907 are intreguing though with the 'weight of the soul', which he found to be three-fourths of an ounce to half an ounce immediently upon death. This always stayed in my head as the existance of a soul.

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I also remember the experiment that Si*** speaks of. I believe in Heaven/Hell and that we have the choice of passing over or not. To me, the point of passing over begins the second all organs cease to function.

Energy & spirit in this context are not tangible or indeed proveable, so the answer could be & probebly is nowhere.

Care to back your statement up with proof that its not tangible?

I believe that I will enter into one of the nearest black holes, at the center of the Galaxy, and enter a new Universe. Amen.

Amen.

Philosophically, I have always thought that death would be similar to that moment between sleep and wakefulness. Not like a hypnogogic state because then you are not in control. But rather that moment as you are waking, when you become aware of your surroundings and have the decision to open your eyes or fall back to slumber. A very lucid dream I suppose? But if you are asking in a geographic or physical sense, for me that is nearly impossible to answer since we are no longer physical beings. Or at least I don't think that we are.

My friends cousin passed away in 2002. She was very close to him and was by his side until he passed. I drove to Palatka for his funeral thinking about what to say to try and comfort her. When I arrived she looked rough, so I gave her a big hug and gave her some comforting words. She just looked at me with a blank stare and sighed, "Finally " I was like huh? She told me she was standing at the end of his bed when he passed and she saw the most peaceful look on his face. Your post just made me think of that, because it sounds like a peaceful way to go.

I hope that we all go peacefully like that!

Don't you love when skeptics leave a comment like this and don't answer when confronted? Its like they make remarks and run! LOL.. At least most of the skeptics come back with an explanation. I'm not starting anything, just find that funny.

Pluto-x look very close to his response.....could be & probably. Hmmmm....it sounds like our skeptic fellow member here has maybe a hint of some beleif aye??

I'm not sure.

I'm for certain paranormals exist like ghosts, spirits, etc ... but I don't think anyone can explain it.

Heaven and Hell that seems to "fantasy" to me.

I'm not really sure.

Well you have to get into physics to answer this question really, but the energy never leaves us.

It's like energy is never ending. It doesn't really go somewhere so to speak, but it is continual. Does that make sense?

The same energy has been around since the Big Bang or since Creation. Which ever you prefer. It can change form, like kinetic and that, but it never leaves. That's why people say it has to 'go' somewhere.

Do naughty people really go to hell? There are a few of them that I surely hope I don't have to spend eternity with.

If I'm not mistaken, according to my religion, if I die in battle (which seeing as I'm not a soldier is highly unlikely) I'll go to Valhalla. If I die a naturaul or non-fighting death and am a good person I'll go to Hel and then be led to Gimle which is similiar to the elaysian fields in greek mythology. If I'm unjust and horrible, I'll go to Hel and be led to Niflhel.

evil-If you have to spend eternity with horrible peeps, I'll pull some strings and get ya into Gimle, lol!

Well when I die I am going anywhere the heck I please.... I am not going to heaven or hell...who is too tell me where I need to go??? I beleive I been a good girl and deserve the right to do whatever I want...go anywhere I want...

Ahh the old trick question! How do you suggest i prove something i don't believe there is any proof of?
I think you'll find the burden of proof lies with you if you believe they do exist.
Care to provide the PROOF?

I am going to hold you to that!

There is always people who have told stories of encounters which is commonly accused of lieing. Ghost pics, evps, videos...which is commonly said to be fake, by skeptics and some believers as well. I guess the burden of proof is for a skeptic to experiance it themselves.....(itsnotoutthere...if you do happen too experiance it can I be the the first one to tell you..I told you so?? LOL.

Nice try... your still not providing me proof that it doesn't exist!? LOL...

My research firm has enough evidence to state there's enough proof there's something out there. Not only that, every human has a spirit / soul. Your telling me your spirit is going to just vanish? so then I guess that proves there is no heaven or hell if our spirits / soul do not go anywhere? Get my point!?

It is a rather frightening thought, that everything we know including our very existence would just cease. That and trying to answer why the universe has no end and if it did what would be there, could drive a lady mad. So if the mind an effect of consciousness or is consciousness an effect of the mind?

You can hold me anytime you want Sorry I had to say it.

*has just noticed an argument/debate going on in the thread* Why hello Drama, where have you been hiding? XD

Drama? There's no drama in Ghost Hunting!? LOL...

Me Too!

That just remineded me of a league of thier own, lol.

That is one of the greatest mysteries life has to answer,Its anybody guess.

I believe there is no true answer to this, and of course none of us can back up any thought or theory we may have. All I feel is that the body is like a shell, which harbors the soul. The shell/body eventually ceases to exist, but I do believe our soul continues on, to possibly another plain. Then again, its possible we die and dont even know it and go on with our lives only in a different way, shape and form for a time. Lastly I do believe the soul does come back in another body/shell and is connected to the same family, friends etc, hence dejavous (sp), kindred spirits, soul mates and things of that nature. But again, that is just my thoughts on death and dying. I read once, and I think it was Edgar Cayce who said people who die a violent, untimely death, come back quickly because of the trauma they suffered in their souls, but they come back to worse situations, and not with people they knew in life, only to suffer again in another lifetime. JN

That doesn't sound very nice or fair.

So that would mean that innocent people who have had wonderful lives but are brutally murdered come back to suffer? Wait, that doesn't make sense because then the person would have not had a good life with loved ones according to that reincarnation theory and there are plenty of people who are loved dearly who are killed violently and untimely....?

I don't think Cayce had it right at all.

I beleive that the spirit comes after death quickly is for unfinished business. If someone kills me, I'd come back quickly for sure Payback time. I wonder how Cayce came up with that theory. Is it religious based?

Awwww.......I am sure evil would like that comment. That was nice.
Yeah it is a pretty argument subject because there is alot of diffrent beliefs. No one really knows for certain. We never been dead. Well, I don't think anyone here on this thread had an near death experiance. But that is a diffrent thread...lol

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I believe, floating somewhere in the cosmos, there is a great spirit energy recylcer. The souls of departed are raked into it by worker angels, god/dess (this is the generic term for the foreman/woman - they rotate shifts, one day Allah, the next Jehovah, then Isis, and Thor, etc.) flips the switch, and the energy is recycled.

Now, sometimes (for very special people), the soul is put through individually and it comes out on the other side as a shiny new version of the old soul, ready for insertion (in the great spirit energy inserter machine) into a new baby.

Others - atheists, people who led mediocre lives - go through the machine wholesale and are put back into the "Whole Universe Energy Dump," thus becoming 'nothing,' or, conversely, 'everything.'

How the spirit is processed is due largely to what box it checks on the After Death sign in sheet.

Yup.

But will we become a communal part of the singularity that is at the core of a black hole? or is this yet another transitory phase? ...the gravitational pull of a black hole may be strong enough as to prevent the escape of even etheric energy, but the energy at the core of one of these implies a form of destruction... OR rebirth... depending on your philosophies....b

I studied alot of Edgar Cayce's writings years ago, and the man was brilliant in his time and no not religious. He believed that if we come back too quickly we end up in like a 3rd world country, with starving people (I paraphased of course). He also theorized that if we are mean, or cruel to someone in one life, when we come back, we get the same treatment, from that person. Lastly he did believe we choose the time we come back, and always end up with the same family. What once was your son, might come back as your mother etc..In theory he totally believed in the soul, and that it makes choices. He never mentioned revenge, just karma, which is sort of a comfort in itself..JN

Wait.



But that is revenge.

If you are mean to someone and then in another life that person is mean to you, that is revenge.

His theories seem to contradict themselves a bit.

So he thought coming back to quickly is a bad thing? The Karma does sound like a comforting thought. Still if I was murdered and came back quickly, which was beyond my control and end up in a 3rd world country with starving children then I will be one pissed spirit. Plus I couldn't get my revenge....*hmmpphh* I would be soooooo mad...lol

^ It seems bizarre to me that how you die (if it was out of your control) should determine how you come back.

Surely how you lived should determine that?




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We all come back as hermit crabs, the bigger the claw the bigger the earthly sin.

I have always thought of his teachings as being no different than opening a jaded fortune cookie.

What I meant was our "souls" choose the time we come back, so if someone is violently murdered, if they decided to come back immediately it is too soon, so they suffer again, but like anyone, they adapt to their environment and dont remember the other life, so they dont get pissed off LOL.. If the soul waits, and does whatever souls do, and chooses a different time to come back, then karma kicks in. My EX was a madman, and I often thought "WOW I must have been really bad in a previous lifetime to deserve this." I "think" that is where forgiveness comes in, that way we dont have to do it again..Just a thought not a fact..JN

He was not easy to understand, but he theorized hundreds of things including death, the afterlife and our souls. The revenge part is true, however because we obviously dont remember that life, its all karma..JN

You know maybe it's the total hippy in me, but, even though there's so many diff. beliefs I see nothing to argue about. Besides according to Mr.Bean, the Mormons were correct anyways.

Although Edgar Cayce's views are just somewhat confusing. I still don't get that whole 'if you die violently you come back into the same craphole you left.' bit, or have I read that wrong?

Evil- ....I could try, lol.

Purplos- That is such a cool theory. I likes it.

LOL The bottom line is, anyone can theorize such as Cayce and others, but the real issue is, no one really knows. What he meant by the "craphole" aspect is that our soul decides, not everyone that dies a violent death comes back immediately. He sort of alludes to the fact that our souls, ummm have a mind of their own, so to speak. So with that said, maybe our souls have a form of consciousness, but again that is speculation on my part. Seems every religion has their own beliefs, and nearly every country, as well. Devout Catholics feels that when one commits suicide they end up in purgatory eternally, yet I dont believe that. Tortured souls who see no way out take drastic measures to end their lives, but that doesnt mean they cannot move on. In any case, no one truly knows and wont, till we get wherever it is we go..JN

There was much more to Mr Cayce than his his power of prognostication kids.....b





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Yeah he also believed that in between reincarnating, our souls rested on other planets.

Now, now... You must give Cayce the benefit of your doubt. After all, he did experience all of this during one of his thousands of NDE's.