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user posted image rIn June or early July 1947, a farmer found strange debris while working on a ranch about 70 miles north of Roswell. He put some of it in a box and drove to the local sheriff. Neither man knew what to make of it, so the sheriff called Roswell Army Air Field, which sent two men to investigate. On July 9, 1947, the Roswell Daily Record, a newspaper, printed a story with the alarming headline: "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region." Other than those facts, there appear to be few things people agree on regarding what has become known as "the Roswell incident."Six decades later, competing UFO enthusiasts promote their own theories, skeptics dismiss the spaceship claims as outrageous, and the military, which originally claimed all the fuss was over a weather balloon, now sticks to its story that it was an experimental spy craft.Escondido resident Milton Sprouse, 85, said he knows what happened in Roswell - not because he favors one theory over another, but because he was there.As for the outrageous stories of mysterious metal, alien corpses and a military coverup?It's all true, he said. Before arriving at Roswell Army Air Field in 1945 as a corporal and engine mechanic, Sprouse already had participated in an undisputable historic event.As a member of the 393rd Bomb Squadron assigned to the 509th Composite Group, Sprouse worked on the ground crew of Big Stink, one of the B-29 bombers stationed on the Pacific island of Tinian, where the two atomic bomb missions on Japan were launched to end World War II.After the war, the 509th Composite Group was reassigned to Roswell, where they were renamed the 509th Bomb Wing.

Sprouse continued to lead the ground crew of Big Stink, which had been renamed Dave's Dream after the pilot."There was nothing there but tumbleweeds blowing for miles," he said about arriving at Roswell in November 1945.

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Katana357
The most important aspect of all the former military personnel breaking their code of silence is that they continue to come forward. In non-invasive interrogation there is a method known as S.C.A.N.. It stands for Scientific Content and Analysis. Without divulging anything sensitive I can say that there are several baseline rules of human nature that have proven themselves again and again. The first sounds quite simple but with the pressures of social existence coupled with external pressures it can be one of the most difficult to arrive at.

1. Everyone wants to tell everything to everyone.

Truth in its essence is one of the most gratifying expressions that human beings have. It allows not only for an unburdening of the soul but from a metaphysical stand point it is responsible for the greatest release of endorphins associated with a spoken interaction. Telling the truth feels good, it feels cleansing and ultimately feels right. Telling lies is the greatest source of stress in our lives today. It is exhausting, hard to do effectively for any length of time, and ultimately self defeating. The reason. To hide lie "M" you will eventually have to tell lie "A, C, F, L," and "O, S, W, Z" as they radiate out from the original lie. The more you lie the harder it is to remember each lie, when you told it, and what lie you were trying to protect in the process.

We see in the admissions of people like Milton Sprouse and those that have come forward in cases like the Rendelsham incident a need to cleans the soul while ensuring the survivability of what they know to be right. The truth.
I believe that we, as a country, are coming to a crossroads where we will either continue to accept the non- truths that are being handed to us in lieu of the facts or we won't. I also believe that the general population of the United States (and this does not include the majority of the open minded members of this web site) are almost totally incapable of anything that could be considered rebellion. I do not mean overthrowing the government. I refer to our simple ability to listen to a ridiculous statement or explanation made by any representative of the military or government and reject it as an outright lie. We need to honor the people who have come forward and who have risked ridicule, alienation, or even personal harm by standing with them and demanding the truth now. Not in 20 or 30 years. The longer we accept the lie the less we deserve the truth.

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Lilly
The thing is, there's a bit of a problem with *the truth* when what someone is saying was gathered second hand. Take look at the testimony (in the full article link) of what Mr. Sprouse says about exactly how he knew that the Roswell object debris was of alien origin (due to the alien bodies being present):

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Sprouse, however, said he recalls people speaking about "alien bodies" immediately after the debris discovery.

"They took the bodies to a hangar, and there were two guards at each door with machine guns," he said.

Sprouse said one witness, a barracksmate, was an emergency-room medic who reported seeing what he called "humanoid" bodies in the hospital.

"They went to the ER room and two doctors and two nurses were called in, and they dissected two of those humanoid bodies," he said. "Then the doctors and nurses were transferred.

"My friend said he saw the bodies, and I believed him," Sprouse said. "He said, 'We don't think the humanoid ate food.' I don't know why he said that. The digestive system wasn't designed for food or something."

Like the other doctors and nurses, Sprouse said, his friend suddenly was transferred, and he never heard from him again. Others on the base, however, kept the story alive.

"I heard it so many times, it had to be true," he said.

Sprouse said he knew Marcel, but he never spoke to him after the incident.

"From that day on, I could never get close to him," he said.


The information was second hand, it was Mr. Sprouse's friend who claimed to have seen the alien bodies. Now, Mr. Sprouse obviously believed his friend and is most certainly telling the truth as he sees it. However, this alone is not enough for others to say that this version of 'the truth' is somehow verifiable and irrefutable...see what I mean? This version may very well be objective reality, or it may be someone's very subjective version of reality, there's really know way for us to know with only anecdotal testimony supporting it.
St Q
Milton Sprouse adds nothing to what we already knew or suspected. His testimony is based solely on hearsay. Had Sprouse or any member of his squadron loaded wreckage into a B-29, the article would have stated it. His friend said that he saw the bodies but didn't think their digestive systems were designed for food. If their digestive systems weren't designed for food, what were they designed for? Perhaps, he meant to say that they weren't designed to digest the types of food that we eat. Or maybe like the appendix, the entire digestive system no longer serves a purpose and nutrients are absorbed into their system by some alternative means. Other than this tidbit of info, we walk away from Gary Warth's article none the wiser.
crtDzyn
QUOTE(St Q @ Oct 1 2007, 08:37 AM) *
Milton Sprouse adds nothing to what we already knew or suspected. His testimony is based solely on hearsay. Had Sprouse or any member of his squadron loaded wreckage into a B-29, the article would have stated it. His friend said that he saw the bodies but didn't think their digestive systems were designed for food. If their digestive systems weren't designed for food, what were they designed for? Perhaps, he meant to say that they weren't designed to digest the types of food that we eat. Or maybe like the appendix, the entire digestive system no longer serves a purpose and nutrients are absorbed into their system by some alternative means. Other than this tidbit of info, we walk away from Gary Warth's article none the wiser.

I stopped reading about a paragraph into the article because I realized that I wasn't going to gain any credible information from it. This is just like every other article about the incident that really doesn't do anything to solidify what is suspected to have happened at Roswell.

Blah, blah, blah...
Siara

Of course, when I read things like this I wonder about the science involved. I also wonder, would people really behave this way in these circumstances?

It seems believable that extremely elderly military people who were there in 1947 might break their silence at the end of their lives. If they believed that they actually saw a crashed UFO, it would rank as one of the most significant event of their lives. They'd want to share it.

On the other hand, it's hard to believe that, given the number of people involved in the incident, NO ONE saved a piece of the debris as a souvenir. Especially the people working on the ranch. If you picture something like this actually happening, there probably would have been several hours before the sheriff was notified. The person who made the initial discovery would have called his co-workers over and said, "Hey, you want to see something really weird? Do you think we should call the sheriff? It's probably nothing and I don't want him to think I'm some kind of jerk..." The workers' spouses and kids would have gone over for a look. Military people might have been trained for strict discipline but not a bunch of ranchers.

By now, someone would have announced, "Well if nothing happened in 1947, what's this?" and brought out their family heirloom.
Moon*Ghost
Here is what I do not get about the supposed Roswell crash. A spaceship crashes into earth from an incredible speed and altitude. yet, there is no crater impact, no scorching, no burning, nothing except some paper, rubber and aluminum pieces.
I don't believe a UFO crashed.
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