Several years ago, we interviewed Rick Strassman on Dreamland about his book "DMT: The Spirit Molecule." He's a University of New Mexico scientist who was given the first official government grant to do research on hallucinogenic drugs. He reported that all of the volunteers who were given the drug DMT saw the SAME visions—and they all came into contact with similar ET-like beings. Shamans report hearing the same reactions from people who use drugs, or other methods, to attain alternate mental states. The UK writer and explorer Graham Hancock experienced a vision that Anne Strieber recognized, when he took the hallucinogenic drug Iboga for research purposes and described his visions in his new book Supernatural, which will be available in the US on September 1st. Now scientists at another major US university have discovered the same thing


http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=5434

Yeah look up Joe Rogan dmt trip lol its pretty good

wow where can I volunteer for these studies at?!

I never did and neither did my many mind-expanding drug consuming friends.
In fact I've never even heard of this kind of experience. And I've been a UFO buff since the age of 9.

So where does that leave us ?

I'd be interested in others experiences (if you were that adventurous at one time-or still are) on this forum.

Ive done quite a bit of LSD and Mushrooms, and never had anything like they are describing, maybe the mushroom they are talking about is the only one that does it.

I've done all kinds of shrooms and LSD. Never had a bad experience. Everything turned into "cartoon land" or kaleidoscope like.

No aliens except feeling like one myself ............. as always

Oh yeah .I'm not bragging

Na , same here, never had a bad trip. but no shaman things or aliens, but id like to try the drug he is talking about in the article.

I've had a few encounters with the manifested beings of the psyche, I did not feel as if they were separate or alien to me, although that could of been because I had thoroughly studied this field for years before partaking in the investigations.

Surprising results can come about with using salvia, binaural beat frequencies (usually delta-theta range will allow deep unconscious delving), and 2c-e together.

not reccomended for the novice.. do your research.

The ETH gets stranger and stranger. Not only do they visit us with clearly visible flying machines, only showing up at times where people never have any means of documenting the encounter - it seems that the only way of talking to them is by injecting strong hallucigenic drugs.

This clearly underlines that they are, in fact, a force not to be messed with.

I was reading about this today! I had a similiar and short lived experience using Salvia a few months ago. I'll never forget it.

Hmm... it's possible that some ET encounter can be accounted for taking hallucinogens, however, it doesn't account for those who experience them while fully awake, and clean of all drugs.

k.. here we go.
salvia is very magical (not a ton of experience- but some). i also believe in the magic in psychadelics- but officially do not condone the use thereof- and it has been about 15 years since ive done this.
a friend of mine and i- (both of us are pretty spiritual- though not into the organized religions)- have had a couple ritual-ish events involving mushrooms.
this time it had us walking all over town - to a couple parks/woods. we ended up at a place where 3 rivers come together ( theres a big field and a bridge/park there). things went about in their usual magical way ( ive been to his place before- very strong evergy-wise).
sometime on the early morning (sorry could be anytime between midnight-5ish- but probably about 2 or 3.)
we goin about the experience, its mostly dark and we are kindof seperated . and HEAR a sound.- (it was that sound like you used to hear at the beginning of a cassette tape (low tone going up in octaves until its beyond the pitch we can hear). anyway- im like - 'thats wierd 'as im turning around(probably looking for the source) and from behind the trees on the overpass about 500-800 yards away- i see a ton of lights on a HUGE ship (rough saucer shape - it was dark- but saw the lights).
a huge ship is slowly comin out from behind the trees and slowly comin in my direction!
i remember looking over/up at it - and im thinking "OMG this is it!! THIS explains everything. this explains why ive felt all the things ive ever felt , THIS is why anyone has ever done anything!! " as my mind RACES through all my experiences and religion and people and it all has an answer.
it was a complete and utter revelation.
not sure how long it was- could have been intstant . . but the next thing i know im looking at lights on a semi crossing the overpass.
we walked home on an amazing summer morning , barefoot , down the middle of mostly empty roads
i didnt (dont remember anyway)come into contact with any aliens-
i remember askin my friend at the time if he saw it too. i dont remember his answer i think he said he didnt.- and its been a while. ive been meaning to ask him about it again - so its cool to see this post up
ok..
i (have )onlytold a small handful of peeps about this- mostly because of the closed mindedness in most peeps unfortunately- (though not 100% their fault) have. and the obvious connection between the psychalelics and visuals involved. and i might agree- expect i SAW it, HEARD the sound, and felt the revelations.
im sorry im not better with my times- these ARE psychelics remember lol. but that brings up a cool point- that if we ARE dealing with other dimensions, time WOULDNT be an issue now would it?
ive always thought psychadelics helped evolve, or rearange positively- but this night was the one i grew and learned the most (even changed).
thanx again for the topic- ive thought of this experience often (especially lately) and it feels good to be able to finally share it. i might add to this if i remember somethin (a feeling, or thought), but i think thats mostly it.

clem

id like to know if anyone has had a similar experience - or heard that sound.
thanx AGAIN

Agreed, although it throws a lot more credibility on the concept of 'Lucid Dreaming' associated with a lot of encounters.

I think popular culture has filled in the blanks when the patients are constructing these imaginary ET creatures to talk to. That sort of knowledge can be applied to a lot of lucid abduction encounters associated with ET visits at night.

You are correct in your final statement. Each case needs to be evaluated individually, and this current theory can only be applied to a distinct number of cases. However it certainly narrows the field in understanding a 'true' contact experience.

Wow, how strange to read about this but I don't think it's entirely true.

My ex boyfriend (of over 10 years) when he was a teen he and his friend did mushroom tea or something? They were at a park when they had this. He said he had an "out of body experience" - but saw nothing of ET's or spirits ect. He never did that stuff again after that. His father had died of cancer about 5 years before he did this Mushroom Tea stunt... He doesn't believe in God or is into what his mom (full blooded Japanses) is into.. Buddhism (a strong faith belief of hers) He does believe there is some sort of "higher spirit" and he definately has an interest in UFO's ever since we saw our first one back in 1988.. then again later in 1992.

But he's never seen ET's - at least he does not recall seeing any.

The strongest drug I've ever taken was for a migraine several years ago called Demerol. Yikes I hate that drug but thankfully it relieved me of the massive migraine. However, I got terribly sick (over the toilet sick) after the shot of it. Thankfully, since then Imitrex has been created which I take a couple times a month.

I've heard that people who simply "meditate" can get this same sort of thing of seeing ET's or spirits ect.

I do not condone the use of any illicit drug and would suggest to anyone who has interest in the stuff, to only research the experiences and works of people who DO. Don't do drugs folks! Its great stuff to have interest in but study it from an outside perspective, they will only hinder your progress in finding what it is your seeking.

Firstly, I feel it is important to understand the chemical structures of the compounds we are talking about, at least on a basic level. We need to understand that the compounds that make up LSD are different than those of Salvia's.

I think it is an important factor to consider, that while many of these compounds are quite similar they are not exactly the same. For instance, mushrooms do not contain DMT. Nor does LSD contain psilocybin. They are not related in any form other than their hallucinogenic properties. I am adamant about saying this because the ingestion of DMT may produce a different chemical reaction within the body than mushrooms or LSD. The metabolism may be affected in one way with mushrooms, and yet a totally opposite way with DMT. These chemicals all produce hallucinations but what else do they do to the person taking them? In the brain? The blood? Chemically what are the effects and how do they differ? We simply cannot limit the experience to merely a hallucinogenic one.

I felt that one of the most important and overlooked factors in Dr Strassmans federally funded studies, was the fact that N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) can be found within all human beings, the production of which takes place in the pineal gland of the brain.

Another interesting study by Dr. Strassman showed that during death and near-death experiences, the brain is flooded with N,N-dimethyltryptamine. Scientists have also shown that DMT is a variable in the metabolic rates and functions of human beings.


This is all quite incredible to find because no other hallucinogenic compound has ever been found already within the human body. Psilocybin (from mushrooms) does not occur naturally within our brains. LSD was created by Hoffman. DMT is a naturally occurring compound within flowers, roots of plants, vines in the rainforest and even the human brain..yet, in large concentrations it is reported to cause intense hallucinations and contact with spirit beings, visitors, guides, aliens (etc).

Is it possible to contact an alien or spirit using hallucinogens? I don't know but there are many people who profess that it is quite possible indeed. Its a very interesting field to study considering it constituted for many myths, legends, traditions, and religions, some of which are still practiced today. Many tribes from South America still carry traditions that seem to show this belief, specifically in regards to the usage of DMT in their shamanic rituals of ancestor worship and soul cleansing. The reports regarding alien phenomena, visitors, spirit guides, and "machine elves" have been around for a long time. To sum it all up.. who knows but it makes for interesting stuff!

Strassmans book was an exciting read, I would suggest it if your interested in this topic of discussion, specifically in regards to the naturally occurring N,N-dimethyltryptamine found in many living things throughout the world.. including our brains.

Over n Out-
*key- X Files theme song*

Oh and I hope that doesn't sound all pro drugs or anything.. I'm looking for the aliens, so thats why Ive even heard of this heh..

I've heard that the human body release a great dose of DMT at birth and during the last seconds of the life.

But I also think there must be some critical thinking to this too. Halluciogenics also produce effects of, for example, walls moving, lights and colours, and so on. Reportedly, users or "subjects" report they can "hear colors" and "see sound", in an odd way.

The second point is that we, as humans, do not live in enclosed rooms. We meet people, we speak with them, we listen to them, among other things. We see all kind of things on TV, in games - our imagination expands by reading a good science-fiction book. Most "animate and intelligent" things we read about, even if they are imaginary, also share some aspects of humans - mouth, eyes, ears, body and hands, and so on.

The third point is that people reportedly can "know" the whole universe during the rush. Everything seems to make perfect sence.

In other words, studying these beings is hard when the drug also have so many other aspects. It would be like reporting UFO's in the year 2354, or telling the cops that you saw big foot after mentioning you drank 5 bottles of Jack Daniel's finest.

The stuff they take, especially the more "shamanistic" drugs are incredibly intense. LCD doesn't come close. Apparently.

i wouldn't rate lsd at all. not even microdots. the best spiritual/out of body experiences i've ever had were on natural stuff. not that i'm condoning drugs but for those who want to research the effects of hallucinogens, the only way you can properly research is to take em

I'm not sure everyone actually wants out of body experiences. I know I certainly don't.

Anyway, enough of this, I don't think this kind of chat is looked kindly on by the mods.

I agree -LSD has completely screwed up two peoples lives I know severely. One was slipped LSD (massive dose) and it changed her whole personality and she has suffered neurosis and phobias which led her to alcoholism.

My cousin did too much at Mardi Gras and thought he was Jesus for several months (didn't even know his own name and was reported missing for 2 mos.) and was put into a mental ward pumped full of Lithium for a year. Now he functions very well but he isn't the same happy,bubbly person he once was. His happiness plug seems to have been pulled.

Are shamanistic drugs just as dangerous ?

Not everyone who has used DMT has seen aliens and likewise with other drugs etc.... Trust me on this one

Neither me or my friends and some family have ever seen aliens or spirits... I feel these types of visions can happen but only if you want it to happen or believe it will happen when a drug is starting to skew your perception on space and time etc.



All hallucinogens can be dangerous and LSD is no exception, both of the people you mention did to much and if you take to much of anything it can be harmful physically or psychologically.

LSD is similar to mushrooms and peyote in a way but it is still different. What actually makes LSD safer then others is that if you do happen to OD or just to much for you too handle you can come down quick by drinking orange juice. If your friends would have had some OJ they would have been all right.

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I am not promoting drug use just to be clear on this folks...

pretty sure the OJ would just make it 'worse'. and there's people that have gotten seriously screwed up from lsd(definatly NOT safer)- dont think ive ever met anyone who has a story about someone getting 'screwed up' from the shamanistic ones
yes psychadelics are relatively close in effect- but there is one HUGE difference .
LSD is mans attempt to imitate 'god' or get the same effect.
not saying right or wrong- just that the man made version is gonna be a lil subpar by comparison.
the natural ones are created by 'god' and the visions thereafter are IMO divine.
wanna type more.. but gotta go back to work
clem

Always wanted to try LSD myself just once to see the effect. Schrooms and Salvia I have tried. Never really hallucinated like seeing aliens, or anything spiritual, just seeing alot of image morphing effects and DEEP thinking. Even though taking any type of illegal drugs IS wrong, I still don't regret not taking them just because I have become a WAY more open minded person than I used to be and my views on the world and life itself have changed for the better.

Didn't hear about this kind of thing before, but


gee, this is surprising

Although this is an interesting topic I must remind everyone that if it slips into a drug experience thread it will be closed immediately.
It is one that falls dangerously close to illegal content, so bare in mind the rules as you post…..
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Irish

Maybe the brain sometimes produces too much DMT? And then they have abduction experiences or whatever? Dose it get produced more when we sleep?

actually you are probably not far from truth,

EVERYTHING that is strange or unexplainable is a hallucination caused by DMT.
That includes any anomalies in scientific research

Are you saying that the 2 ft mutated ninja ant in my basement is a figment of my lsd usage? I won't believe it! It has 4 green glowing eyes!

Well at least I know that austronauts don't smoke this stuff in space when they get bored.