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shadewatcher
Are you a true believer or do you have a paranormal ability/experience? I've had a few how about you?
Veliska
QUOTE(shadewatcher @ Oct 1 2007, 08:30 PM) *
Are you a true believer or do you have a paranormal ability/experience? I've had a few how about you?

I had lived in a house for 4 years that was haunted. I have so many experiances, and sightings. This one was so scarey. I only seen the spirit twice but he played tricks on me for 4 years....one time I was laying in bed. I wasn't even close to falling asleep. The door was cracked open a little, so there was a little light in the room. My boyfriend at that time was making something in the kitchen. I felt the edge of my bed move down. I looked over and saw a fiqure of a man sitting on the edge of the bed! He was whispering something to me....it was really breathy. It is really hard to explain the sound......I started to scream. I almost passed out when I stood up. I felt so strange. My brother ran in the room too..(he was my room mate at the time) I told my boyfriend and my brother what happened and it totally freaked them out, because they knew things weird was happening in our house. The spirit was sitting right under the attic door that was in our room. We lived in an old house...really old.
Veliska
I have more on the subject in the sightings forum. So yes I am a true believer.
sixxx
I'm a believer who WANTS to be a skeptic.

But it just won't happen.
MasterPo
In my time as a paranormal investigator I have experienced things I can not easily or readily explain. In that sense, being above and beyond the normal of everyday life, I have experienced it and can't reasonably deny the existance.

What it is and what it all means, to me, it's still way up in the air.

Barek Halfhand
QUOTE(shadewatcher @ Oct 1 2007, 03:30 PM) *
Are you a true believer or do you have a paranormal ability/experience? I've had a few how about you?
What I have learned is that there are MANY that have this inherent or cultivated ability....more like another minority group than "special" really....b







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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CetPq_pkHc
The Sandman
i am an agnostic and a skeptic!
nothing is real unless proved or experienced!
Emmerson
QUOTE(si*** @ Oct 2 2007, 01:49 AM) *
I'm a believer who WANTS to be a skeptic.
Me too.
Veliska
QUOTE(coredrill @ Oct 2 2007, 05:34 AM) *
i am an agnostic and a skeptic!
nothing is real unless proved or experienced!

yup, cause if you try to prove it to a skeptic...like coredrill here...their explaination too all evidence is fake. Coredrill I hope a spook grabs you by the ankle and pulls you under your bed tongue.gif
shadewatcher
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Oct 2 2007, 03:13 PM) *
yup, cause if you try to prove it to a skeptic...like coredrill here...their explaination too all evidence is fake. Coredrill I hope a spook grabs you by the ankle and pulls you under your bed tongue.gif



original.gif LOL!!!
The Skeptic Eric Raven
I am a skeptic waiting for the day I can be a believer. Just need some proof.
coldethyl
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 5 2007, 02:46 PM) *
I am a skeptic waiting for the day I can be a believer. Just need some proof.


I'm sort of in that same boat.

Waiting for something I see with my own eyes that I can't explain away logically.

Hi Eric! ♥
SilverWood
sometimes I wish I was just a skeptic who hadn't seen any proof, but I have seen too much to deny the paranormal
Veliska
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 5 2007, 07:46 PM) *
I am a skeptic waiting for the day I can be a believer. Just need some proof.

wink2.gif You are my kind of skeptic Eric! Waiting on the possiabilty.
coldethyl
QUOTE(SilverWood @ Oct 5 2007, 02:48 PM) *
sometimes I wish I was just a skeptic who hadn't seen any proof, but I have seen too much to deny the paranormal


I never said I hadn't experienced anything, I can just attribute what I experienced to logical events.

I don't think I've ever seen a ghost though.

Para just means above and beyond the normal. I do believe in the paranormal, I just don't believe quite the same way as everyone else.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(SilverWood @ Oct 5 2007, 02:48 PM) *
sometimes I wish I was just a skeptic who hadn't seen any proof, but I have seen too much to deny the paranormal

I have seen some unexplainable things. I used logic and didn't jump to conclusions.


Veliska
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Oct 5 2007, 07:47 PM) *
I'm sort of in that same boat.

Waiting for something I see with my own eyes that I can't explain away logically.

Hi Eric! ♥

That is why I beleive, like Pluto-x had stated before, that it is important to have skeptics and beleivers to come together and do research on the paranormal. You have to see from both angles. yes.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Oct 5 2007, 02:52 PM) *
I never said I hadn't experienced anything, I can just attribute what I experienced to logical events.

I don't think I've ever seen a ghost though.

Para just means above and beyond the normal. I do believe in the paranormal, I just don't believe quite the same way as everyone else.

I think many believers think that since we are skeptical that we don't want it to be true. I think the opposite is true. I think most skeptics want to be proven wrong.


Hi Cold.lol
coldethyl
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Oct 5 2007, 02:55 PM) *
That is why I beleive, like Pluto-x had stated before, that it is important to have skeptics and beleivers to come together and do research on the paranormal. You have to see from both angles. yes.gif


Yes I think that too, but some believers are so hard core that then they get mad if you suggest anything other than what they believe.

I've seen it a million times.

They only want to hear other people that agree with them.

It's very frustrating.
GeneBrowne
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 5 2007, 05:26 PM) *
I think many believers think that since we are skeptical that we don't want it to be true. I think the opposite is true. I think most skeptics want to be proven wrong.
Hi Cold.lol



You are right ... all the good skeptics anyways.

theghost
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Oct 2 2007, 08:13 PM) *
yup, cause if you try to prove it to a skeptic...like coredrill here...their explaination too all evidence is fake. Coredrill I hope a spook grabs you by the ankle and pulls you under your bed tongue.gif

Man that would make me crap my pants,lol ohmy.gif laugh.gif
Veliska
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Oct 5 2007, 07:57 PM) *
Yes I think that too, but some believers are so hard core that then they get mad if you suggest anything other than what they believe.

I've seen it a million times.

They only want to hear other people that agree with them.

It's very frustrating.

yes.gif I agree....but I am not that way at all. I was a skeptic before I had my sighting, and experiances. I am not here to prove to a skeptic that they are real. I am here to share my experiances. I beleive really the only way for a skeptic to become a tru-beleiver is to experiance it themselves. I can see how it can be frustrating.
Veliska
QUOTE(theghost @ Oct 5 2007, 08:00 PM) *
Man that would make me crap my pants,lol ohmy.gif laugh.gif

I love playing with Coredrill...it is all fun and games wink2.gif He likes to pick on me about my clown phobia!
momentarylapseofreason
I've experienced very many strange things that just can't be all summed up to coincidence.
If I explained all the events & experiences you'd know why.

Like walking by a persons house for example having no idea where or what part of town they live in (hardly knowing them) and knowing this person lives here (I can't know till I see or feel the house/area) or has lived there at one time(or what street). This often totally freaks people out or they think I'm lying and found out some way. I've even walked up to complete strangers (watched them from a distance) and approach them to tell them what city they live in or where they came from. I can't even hear them talk. Actually I ask them . Just to confirm if I'm right . They often think I've been tailing them and get all paranoid.

But I still "try like hell" to be skeptical. It's all scientific anyways

Some of this "paranormal" is just science that hasn't been explained (UM) and some of it is just crap
JustNormal
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 5 2007, 07:46 PM) *
I am a skeptic waiting for the day I can be a believer. Just need some proof.




BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! LOL
goalienan
I've posted this before, but I would have to say that I'm more of a believer than a skeptic...Although I never have experienced anything that is paranormal I do believe it's out there...I have never seen a shadow person, (with the hat) original.gif have never had objects move in my home...heck, I don't even get orbs in my pictures...but I do believe in the unforseen, and have no doubt that members who have told us their stories are telling the truth...To be honest, I'm glad I don't have any stories to tell....I'd much rather read them...
Veliska
QUOTE(momentarylapseofreason @ Oct 5 2007, 09:31 PM) *
I've experienced very many strange things that just can't be all summed up to coincidence.
If I explained all the events & experiences you'd know why.

Like walking by a persons house for example having no idea where or what part of town they live in (hardly knowing them) and knowing this person lives here (I can't know till I see or feel the house/area) or has lived there at one time(or what street). This often totally freaks people out or they think I'm lying and found out some way. I've even walked up to complete strangers (watched them from a distance) and approach them to tell them what city they live in or where they came from. I can't even hear them talk. Actually I ask them . Just to confirm if I'm right . They often think I've been tailing them and get all paranoid.

But I still "try like hell" to be skeptical. It's all scientific anyways

Some of this "paranormal" is just science that hasn't been explained (UM) and some of it is just crap

Yeah some of this paranormal might be science. (Some.) It sounds like you might have some kind of pshycic abilitiy. That is an iteresting story and I am glad you shared it.
Elfstone810
I believe in many of the things that fall under the broad heading of "paranormal" but I don't necessarily believe every story I hear about them. I have had too many personal experiences to discount, plus I've been studying parapsychology since I was old enough to read. After a certain point the combined weight of reports from sober, serious-minded people and the research done by intelligent men and women becomes too great to brush off. The Cross Correspondences alone are an impressive body of evidence, just for an example. (If you don't know what that is, Google it. It's a fascinating story but much too long and involved to relate here.)

I don't think for a minute that we are even close to understanding the what or why of ghosts, etc. I know that most of the experiences I've had with the inexplicable have been basically pointless. I've seen two ghosts, both times mistaking them for ordinary people until they disappeared under impossible circumstances. I've also had dreams that suggested some foreknowledge of the future, but never anything useful like what the winning lottery numbers were going to be.

There was also this one odd thing that happened regularly when I was working in a fast food restaurant. I worked there for years and I can't pinpoint when this started, I just eventually realized that it was so. I often worked the drive thru on the closing shift. In our restaurant the drive-thru cashier was responsible for doing the dishes and cleaning the kitchen and we wore a radio headset with a battery pack on a belt so we could answer the drive if someone came through. The battery pack had two buttons on it, one to talk to the customer and the other to talk to anyone on any of the other headsets. If we weren't sure our headset was working we'd press down the "B" button to the other headsets to check it.

Eventually I realized that sometimes when I was back doing dishes I would feel absolutely compelled to push down the "B" button and make sure the headset was working. Even if I tried to ignore it (it was a pain because you had to stop and dry your hands) I couldn't and I would HAVE to check the headset. And anytime I felt that compulsion to check the headset there would be a car come through within the next two or three minutes.

I tried to think up rational explanations, like could I hear a car turn into the lot without realizing it? But I tested that by going up front as soon as I felt that urge to check the headset and more than once I got there in time to see the car come down the road and turn in. Sometimes on slow nights an hour or two would go by with no drive-thru orders, but if I felt that need to check the headset there would always be a car right after. Every time, without fail.

Now, here's the thing. That sounds like a useful thing, but it really wasn't. I believe that in all the years I worked there I never once checked the headset because of that feeling and found it NOT working. And on at least one occasion when it wasn't working, I didn't get that feeling at all. I was just back in the kitchen blythly doing dishes while our district manager sat at the speaker and fumed because no one was answering him. hmm.gif

I guess there is one thing it did do, and that is teach me to recognize that feeling. If I get that feeling about something I am never, ever wrong. There's no way to summon it, though, or direct what the feeling is about. It's just useless stuff like knowing what someone is going to say or who is going to be on the phone before I answer it or what the cat is going to break next. Never those darn lotto numbers! mad.gif laugh.gif
Please Explain
I believed in something that was hard to explain but i'm a hard core skeptic.
That means...i don't easily believed that opening doors, cracking noise, breathing, little light opening,
bed shaking, knockings etc. are paranormal by nature.
If you're only a skeptic who only sits on a chair waiting for proof then you're a lazy b******.
chaoszerg
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 5 2007, 08:46 PM) *
I am a skeptic waiting for the day I can be a believer. Just need some proof.


When I die Eric I will come and haunt you and give you the proof you need. But knowing you Eric you will end up offending me by dismissing me as a trick of the light. tongue.gif

QUOTE(coldethyl @ Oct 5 2007, 08:47 PM) *
I'm sort of in that same boat.

Waiting for something I see with my own eyes that I can't explain away logically.



I will come and haunt you also.

QUOTE(Please Explain @ Oct 6 2007, 09:17 AM) *
i'm a hard core skeptic.


Lol no your not laugh.gif thumbsup.gif
Please Explain
QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Oct 6 2007, 06:56 PM) *
Lol no your not laugh.gif thumbsup.gif
laugh.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Please Explain @ Oct 6 2007, 03:17 AM) *
but i'm a hard core skeptic.

Not in this life. You are a hard core, no proof needing believer. Embrace it. As a skeptic I do.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Oct 6 2007, 03:56 AM) *
But knowing you Eric you will end up offending me by dismissing me as a trick of the light. tongue.gif

I resent that. I would dismiss you as a drunken nightmare. grin2.gif
Please Explain
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 7 2007, 12:52 AM) *
Embrace it. As a skeptic I do.
But you're not a skeptic to me.
Veliska
Well this is entertaining.. happy.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Oct 6 2007, 03:01 PM) *
Well this is entertaining.. happy.gif


In a twisted sort of way..LOL.. w00t.gif
momentarylapseofreason
I hate clowns too. My kids do too.

Must be genetic cause they don't know I can't stand them .LOL
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Oct 6 2007, 12:49 AM) *
Yeah some of this paranormal might be science. (Some.) It sounds like you might have some kind of pshycic abilitiy. That is an iteresting story and I am glad you shared it.


I've also picked up on seven different murders. 2 young girls, 1 teenage boy, 4 women. This happens "out of the blue" when I'm in the area .No names -just approximate ages and their sex-weak image but enough to make it out.

Actually two of the murdered women( I didn't know them) I could sense I knew the killer & therefore felt connected and was obsessed with the case. I was sure it was someone I knew-a man I thought -but it was my cousin a female who killed them. She went to prison for 15 years because she wasn't an adult. I felt I knew their killer but would have never guessed in my wildest dreams that she did it. Now I knew why I never trusted her and didn't want her around me even though she seemed so nice. She killed them because of revenge and a drug deal.

It could happen while I'm wiping my butt or scratching a mosquito bite, usually while I'm not being distracted by people and noise and just observing the surroundings (excuse the example--but it really happens that unexpectedly). I never even think about it or concentrate or anything.
I can't figure out if it's the deceased clueing me in or some left-over energy. No idea. I hear no voices nor do I pick up strong emotions. First I get edgy, uncomfortable & depressed and then the rest just just comes. It always seems like something I kind of made up myself but then it's not-it's real.

If I didn't have these experiences I'd be a hard-core Atheist but these happenings are what make me an Agnostic.
So I'm very confused... yes.gif
momentarylapseofreason
sorry double post
Veliska
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Oct 6 2007, 03:52 PM) *
In a twisted sort of way..LOL.. w00t.gif

The battle of the skeptics Round 1 ! laugh.gif
Veliska
QUOTE(momentarylapseofreason @ Oct 6 2007, 04:55 PM) *
I've also picked up on seven different murders. 2 young girls, 1 teenage boy, 4 women. This happens "out of the blue" when I'm in the area .No names -just approximate ages and their sex-weak image but enough to make it out.

Actually two of the murdered women( I didn't know them) I could sense I knew the killer & therefore felt connected and was obsessed with the case. I was sure it was someone I knew-a man I thought -but it was my cousin a female who killed them. She went to prison for 15 years because she wasn't an adult. I felt I knew their killer but would have never guessed in my wildest dreams that she did it. Now I knew why I never trusted her and didn't want her around me even though she seemed so nice. She killed them because of revenge and a drug deal.

It could happen while I'm wiping my butt or scratching a mosquito bite, usually while I'm not being distracted by people and noise and just observing the surroundings (excuse the example--but it really happens that unexpectedly). I never even think about it or concentrate or anything.
I can't figure out if it's the deceased clueing me in or some left-over energy. No idea. I hear no voices nor do I pick up strong emotions. First I get edgy, uncomfortable & depressed and then the rest just just comes. It always seems like something I kind of made up myself but then it's not-it's real.

If I didn't have these experiences I'd be a hard-core Atheist but these happenings are what make me an Agnostic.
So I'm very confused... yes.gif

I can see why you are confused. When there really isn't any answers on why is this happing? Or where does it come from? Exspecially when you have a premonition just wiping your bum....or scratching an insect bite! I just hope you don't ever have a premonition about me while you are wiping your butt!!! Lol...sorry I had to add that! I really don't see you as a beleiver or non-beleiver...you are definatly confused because of this gift you have, and yes it sounds paranormal too me sweetheart. yes.gif
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE(veliska27 @ Oct 6 2007, 08:09 PM) *
I can see why you are confused. When there really isn't any answers on why is this happing? Or where does it come from? Exspecially when you have a premonition just wiping your bum....or scratching an insect bite! I just hope you don't ever have a premonition about me while you are wiping your butt!!! Lol...sorry I had to add that! I really don't see you as a beleiver or non-beleiver...you are definatly confused because of this gift you have, and yes it sounds paranormal too me sweetheart. yes.gif


No it didn't happen while i was wiping my butt ! (yet) It just happens so surprisingly that it could happen .LOL !!!
And it's not a premonition- it happens after something has happened (in my awake state).
Isn't a premonition before it happens ????????? What's it called after the fact ? Someone clear me up on this please.

My premonitions (?)come in dreams but they never have an important life significance (trivial stuff). The dreams are always of things that have no big meaning but they happen.

I can tell within seconds though who I can trust and whom I can't (in person).
But I think I pick up facial cues subconsciously. Not so much psychic.

It's not something I'm obsessed with.

I also can tell when someone died in a house but who knows if I picked up on that everytime ?

If I have a feeling then I go after it. I either come across it accidentally or do some detective work to confirm my intuition (if that's the correct word).

This started in my teens and was most intense in my late twenties.
Veliska
QUOTE(momentarylapseofreason @ Oct 6 2007, 06:26 PM) *
No it didn't happen while i was wiping my butt ! (yet) It just happens so surprisingly that it could happen .LOL !!!
And it's not a premonition- it happens after something has happened (in my awake state).
Isn't a premonition before it happens ????????? What's it called after the fact ? Someone clear me up on this please.

My premonitions (?)come in dreams but they never have an important life significance (trivial stuff). The dreams are always of things that have no big meaning but they happen.

I can tell within seconds though who I can trust and whom I can't (in person).
But I think I pick up facial cues subconsciously. Not so much psychic.

It's not something I'm obsessed with.

I also can tell when someone died in a house but who knows if I picked up on that everytime ?

If I have a feeling then I go after it. I either come across it accidentally or do some detective work to confirm my intuition (if that's the correct word).

This started in my teens and was most intense in my late twenties.

Hmmm I don't know what it is called after the fact. But it all sounds like pshycic abilities too me.
shadewatcher
what people don't realize is that what is considered fictional or mere speculation today will be tomorrows facts. A couple hundred years ago everyone believed that the earth was the center of the universe till the development of the telescope now we know, its the same 4 the paranormal there are those who already know and those who will someday come to know. till then i hope everyone keeps an open mind being a skeptic is one thing being a close minded fool who refuses to listen to anything anyone says is another. KEEP BELIEVING, NEVER FORGET! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE !!!
shadewatcher
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Oct 5 2007, 02:57 PM) *
Yes I think that too, but some believers are so hard core that then they get mad if you suggest anything other than what they believe.

I've seen it a million times.

They only want to hear other people that agree with them.

It's very frustrating.




i want to hear what other people think. though it does frustrate me that people can't see some things even if they r put right in front of their faces. and refuse to believe even when they've seen it themselves because of their need for "proof". ah well can lead a horse to water ... lol u get my meaning. and if people don't believe me about what is out there or what I've seen, i don't get mad i just grin, because i know what i know. so think what u want. but that's just me.
shadewatcher
QUOTE(momentarylapseofreason @ Oct 5 2007, 04:31 PM) *
I've experienced very many strange things that just can't be all summed up to coincidence.
If I explained all the events & experiences you'd know why.

Like walking by a persons house for example having no idea where or what part of town they live in (hardly knowing them) and knowing this person lives here (I can't know till I see or feel the house/area) or has lived there at one time(or what street). This often totally freaks people out or they think I'm lying and found out some way. I've even walked up to complete strangers (watched them from a distance) and approach them to tell them what city they live in or where they came from. I can't even hear them talk. Actually I ask them . Just to confirm if I'm right . They often think I've been tailing them and get all paranoid.

But I still "try like hell" to be skeptical. It's all scientific anyways

Some of this "paranormal" is just science that hasn't been explained (UM) and some of it is just crap



sounds like preminatory-empathy. basically its kinda being psychic. pretty cool really.
shadewatcher
QUOTE(goalienan @ Oct 5 2007, 05:40 PM) *
I've posted this before, but I would have to say that I'm more of a believer than a skeptic...Although I never have experienced anything that is paranormal I do believe it's out there...I have never seen a shadow person, (with the hat) original.gif have never had objects move in my home...heck, I don't even get orbs in my pictures...but I do believe in the unforseen, and have no doubt that members who have told us their stories are telling the truth...To be honest, I'm glad I don't have any stories to tell....I'd much rather read them...




Thank You original.gif
shadewatcher
QUOTE(Elfstone810 @ Oct 6 2007, 01:58 AM) *
I believe in many of the things that fall under the broad heading of "paranormal" but I don't necessarily believe every story I hear about them. I have had too many personal experiences to discount, plus I've been studying parapsychology since I was old enough to read. After a certain point the combined weight of reports from sober, serious-minded people and the research done by intelligent men and women becomes too great to brush off. The Cross Correspondences alone are an impressive body of evidence, just for an example. (If you don't know what that is, Google it. It's a fascinating story but much too long and involved to relate here.)

I don't think for a minute that we are even close to understanding the what or why of ghosts, etc. I know that most of the experiences I've had with the inexplicable have been basically pointless. I've seen two ghosts, both times mistaking them for ordinary people until they disappeared under impossible circumstances. I've also had dreams that suggested some foreknowledge of the future, but never anything useful like what the winning lottery numbers were going to be.

There was also this one odd thing that happened regularly when I was working in a fast food restaurant. I worked there for years and I can't pinpoint when this started, I just eventually realized that it was so. I often worked the drive thru on the closing shift. In our restaurant the drive-thru cashier was responsible for doing the dishes and cleaning the kitchen and we wore a radio headset with a battery pack on a belt so we could answer the drive if someone came through. The battery pack had two buttons on it, one to talk to the customer and the other to talk to anyone on any of the other headsets. If we weren't sure our headset was working we'd press down the "B" button to the other headsets to check it.

Eventually I realized that sometimes when I was back doing dishes I would feel absolutely compelled to push down the "B" button and make sure the headset was working. Even if I tried to ignore it (it was a pain because you had to stop and dry your hands) I couldn't and I would HAVE to check the headset. And anytime I felt that compulsion to check the headset there would be a car come through within the next two or three minutes.

I tried to think up rational explanations, like could I hear a car turn into the lot without realizing it? But I tested that by going up front as soon as I felt that urge to check the headset and more than once I got there in time to see the car come down the road and turn in. Sometimes on slow nights an hour or two would go by with no drive-thru orders, but if I felt that need to check the headset there would always be a car right after. Every time, without fail.

Now, here's the thing. That sounds like a useful thing, but it really wasn't. I believe that in all the years I worked there I never once checked the headset because of that feeling and found it NOT working. And on at least one occasion when it wasn't working, I didn't get that feeling at all. I was just back in the kitchen blythly doing dishes while our district manager sat at the speaker and fumed because no one was answering him. hmm.gif

I guess there is one thing it did do, and that is teach me to recognize that feeling. If I get that feeling about something I am never, ever wrong. There's no way to summon it, though, or direct what the feeling is about. It's just useless stuff like knowing what someone is going to say or who is going to be on the phone before I answer it or what the cat is going to break next. Never those darn lotto numbers! mad.gif laugh.gif



sweet gift dude original.gif
shadewatcher
QUOTE(JustNormal @ Oct 6 2007, 10:52 AM) *
In a twisted sort of way..LOL.. w00t.gif



LOL!!!
coldethyl
QUOTE(shadewatcher @ Oct 8 2007, 09:29 PM) *
though it does frustrate me that people can't see some things even if they r put right in front of their faces. and refuse to believe even when they've seen it themselves because of their need for "proof". ah well can lead a horse to water ... lol u get my meaning. and if people don't believe me about what is out there or what I've seen, i don't get mad i just grin, because i know what i know. so think what u want. but that's just me.



Ditto. thumbsup.gif
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