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dcman
In September 1947, Lt. General Nathan Twining, Commander of Air Material Command at

Wright Patterson Air Force Base, wrote an opinion concerning “Flying Discs” to Brig.

General George Schulgen, Chief of the Air Intelligence Requirements Division at the

Pentagon.

Twining wrote: “The phenomena is something real and not visionary or fictitious…The

reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability

(particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted

by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are

controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.” He described the objects as metallic or

light-reflecting, circular or elliptical with a flat bottom and domed top, and usually silent.

Twining stated that “due consideration must be given” to “the lack of physical evidence in the

shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these

objects.” He recommended that Army Air Forces assign “a priority, security classification and

Code Name for a detailed study of this matter…”

In 1953, the Air Defense Command created the 4602d Air Intelligence Service Squadron

(AISS) and assigned it to the official investigations of UFOs. The squadron was

headquartered at Ent Air Force Base, CO and soon moved to Fort Belvoir, VA with field units

throughout the country. All UFO reports were to go through the 4602d AISS prior to any

transmission to Project Blue Book, a public relations project with no access to reports above

the Secret level. The 4602d AISS dealt with more sensitive cases of national security concern

requiring a higher classification. Thus, many UFO reports bypassed Blue Book altogether.

In 1954, Air Force Regulation 200-2 (“Unidentified Flying Objects Reporting”) stated that the

Air Defense Command has “a direct interest in the facts pertaining to UFOBs” and will

conduct all field investigations “to determine the identity of any UFOB.” It stated that the

ADC will investigate the reports through the 4602d AISS, a highly mobile unit composed of

“specialists trained for field collection and investigation of matters of air intelligence

interest.” The document outlined collection responsibilities for this unit.

According to an Air Force Intelligence Letter (“Betz Memo”) of 13 Nov 1961, the 4602d had

three peacetime functions:

UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS (UFO) - A program for investigation of reliably

reported unidentified flying objects within the United States.

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PROJECT MOONDUST - A specialized aspect of the U.S. Air Force's over-all material of

the exploitation program to locate, recover, and deliver descended foreign space vehicles.

OPERATION BLUE FLY – [A unit] to facilitate expeditious delivery to the Foreign

Technological Division (FTD) of Moon Dust and other items of great technical intelligence

interest.

The memo stated that all three functions involve “employment of qualified field intelligence

personnel on a quick reaction basis to recover or perform field exploitation of unidentified

flying objects, or known Soviet/Bloc aerospace vehicles, weapons systems, and/or residual

components of such equipment.”

A classified 1969 Air Force document terminating Project Blue Book (“Bolender Memo”)

made it clear that existing operations would continue to investigate UFOs even though the Air

Force was closing Blue Book. The memo established that UFO reports affecting national

security “are made in accordance with JANAP 146 or Air Force Manual 55-11, and are not

part of the Blue Book system” and that “the defense function could be performed within the

framework established for intelligence and surveillance operations.” It stated that “reports of

UFOs which could affect national security would continue to be handled through the standard

Air Force procedures designed for this purpose.”

As far as the public was concerned, the termination of Project Blue Book meant the end of the

Air Force investigation into UFOs. The Air Force stated publicly two months after the

issuance of the classified Bolender Memo that the continuation of Project Blue Book could

not be justified on the grounds of national security, since no UFO has ever presented a threat

to national security. The Air Force misinformed the public by not acknowledging its

continuing, secret investigation of UFOs independent of Blue Book, and its very real national

security concerns.

Ongoing efforts to retrieve fallen objects are described in a 1970 State Department telegram

to its embassies and consulates around the world requesting that they post any “reports or

sightings of entry into atmosphere or landing of ‘space debris.’” (Quotes around “space

debris” are throughout.) The offices are instructed to follow leads “as expeditiously as

possible” without informing the local government or making public comment. “Recovery of

any material from such space debris would [be of] great scientific interest to USG,” the

telegram states.

A 1973 Secret State Department Airgram confirms that "the designator 'MOONDUST' is used

in cases involving the examination of non-US space objects and objects of unknown origin."

Beginning in 1989, Sergeant Clifford E. Stone, US Army ret., of New Mexico wrote to

fourteen intelligence agencies for records on Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly

under the Freedom of Information Act. Many of the documents cited here were obtained

through his efforts.

The responses from numerous agencies were inconsistent and evasive. In 1990, the U.S. Air

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Force told Stone "we do not have any records responsive to your request." The U.S. Air Force

Intelligence Service stated, "we have made a thorough search of our records and found none

responsive to your request." Four months later, the Air Force reversed their initial position

stating, "we have two records responsive to your request. However, they are exempt from

disclosure because the information is properly classified."

The Defense Intelligence Agency stated that information pertaining to Project Moondust is

classified and that the agency located no records on “Project Bluefly.” Fifteen months later,

the DIA acknowledged that the State Department had eight DIA documents, but that two were

not releasable. (There are numerous references in Moon Dust documents to DIA participation

in retrievals.)

In a 1991 letter, the Air Force told Stone, “we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or

nonexistence of records responsive to your request regarding Projects or Operations known as

Blue Fly, Moon Dust…”

On Stone’s behalf, New Mexico Senators Jeff Bingaman and Pete Domenici agreed to make

inquiries to the Air Force about Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly.

In response to a letter from Senator Bingaman in 1992, the Air Force told the Senator that,

“there is no Project Moon Dust or Operation Blue Fly. These missions have never existed.”

When the Senator responded with documents challenging this, the Air Force “amended” it’s

previous statement, acknowledging the existence and function of Moon Dust and Blue Fly

with regards to UFOs.

In 1994, Senator Domenici requested eleven Air Force documents pertaining to Moon Dust

and Blue Fly that were in State Department files but were denied Stone in 1991. (At that time,

the Air Force had not been willing to “confirm nor deny the existence or non existence” of

these documents.) The Air Force responded in December of 1994 that “the projects, as such

no longer exist, nor do their files. Classified reports that existed, if any, presumably were

destroyed.”

Yet the Air Force informed a New Jersey citizen in 1998, in response to an independent

request on Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly, that “the information relating Project

Moon Dust remain classified” and is being withheld. This contradicts the earlier statement by

the same office that the files did not exist and were likely destroyed.

Why did the US Air Force state that the documents had been destroyed when they were

requested by a US Senator? Why did it tell a second Senator that Moon Dust and Blue Fly

never existed? Why the great concern about releasing information concerning fallen space

debris collected decades ago?

In a letter dated February 28, 1994, New Mexico Congressman Joe Skeen told Stone that the

“House Government Operations Committee has taken an interest in this

matter…Congressional hearings may be held on this matter later this session.” Skeen said he

would also share Stone’s report with the House Intelligence Committee.

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In April 1997, the Air Force acknowledged to Stone that Operation Blue Fly’s mission

included “space objects and unidentified flying objects (UFOs) if any were reported available

for recovery.” It goes on to state that no Soviet Bloc planes were ever downed in the US, and

“no UFOs were ever reported downed or recovered in the United States or anywhere else.”

These statements are patently false. Air Force Intelligence files show that Operation Blue Fly

was assigned to the intelligence exploitation of a Soviet-built Cuban helicopter in Florida.

More importantly with respect to UFOs, official documents released through FOIA directly

contradict the 1997 Air Force statement. In 1965, a three-man team was sent to recover an

object of unknown origin reported downed in Kecksburg, PA. (Witnesses state an object was

recovered; the Air Force says nothing was found.) In August 1967, an object described as a

satellite crashed and was recovered in the Sudan under Moon Dust. (The description on the

DIA document released by the State Department does not fit that of a satellite.)

In 1968, Project Moon Dust recovered four unknown objects in Nepal. Also in 1968, a

“dome-shaped object” with no identification marks was retrieved underwater off Cape Town,

South Africa. The metal object had been subjected to extreme heat and showed no signs of

corrosion. NASA determined it was made of “almost pure aluminum” and stated that the

NASA analysis of the sample and photographs “does not otherwise provide a clue as to its

origin or function although it is possible it is a space object of US origin.”

In 1970, Moon Dust investigated a metal sphere that fell “with three loud explosions and then

burned for five days” in South America. It had “ports” which had been melted closed. A May

1970 State Department document describes a fallen, unidentified object in Bolivia, depicted in

the newspapers as metal and egg-shaped. The Department expresses a desire to assist the

Bolivian Air Force in the investigation. “The general region had more than its share of reports

of UFOs this past week,” the document notes. It says that Panama and Paraguay checked with

appropriate government agencies and “no direct correlation with known space objects that

may have reentered the earth’s atmosphere near May 6 can be made.”

All the documents on the above events represent raw, unprocessed field intelligence data. The

public, however, is not privy to the final determinations of these investigations. Where are the

finalized intelligence products? Where are the recovered fragments?

Our government will not disclose what these objects were. In fact, the Air Force denies these

events ever happened, even though official documents show otherwise. What is the purpose in

keeping this information classified? The search for this information must pick up where Sgt.

Stone, Senators Domenici and Bingaman, and Congressman Skeen left off.

The Kecksburg incident is an ideal focal point for further inquiry into Moon Dust and Blue

Fly, since it is already well documented. The object fell on American soil. There were

witnesses to the object on the ground and its removal by an Army vehicle. Countless others

saw the Army cordon off the area, blocking access.

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Project Blue Book files state that no object was found in Pennsylvania. They also

acknowledge that no space debris entered our atmosphere that day and that “aluminum type”

fragments were retrieved in Michigan. (Where are they now?). It is likely that Blue book was

not informed about the retrieval of this object since it would have been classified higher than

Secret.

In short, the documentation shows that the United States Air Force has continued to conduct a

highly classified UFO investigation program in conjunction with other government agencies.

Under this program, Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly have recovered objects of

unknown origin. We, as citizens, have been denied knowledge of what they were.

Physical evidence in the possession of the U.S. Government could shed light on the UFO

question as would nothing else. The Kecksburg case also has the potential to generate more

documentation on Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly, which hold the key to other

cases involving downed objects of unknown origin.

© Copyright 2002 Leslie Kean

http://freedomofinfo.org/foi/Background_MD_BF2.pdf

Syntax
now THAT was an interesting article.

It paints a more believable picture of the efforts the United States military has taken to recover UFO materials, and is supported with Primary and secondary evidence.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 2 2007, 03:13 AM) *


A good example of many, just how the government has been duping the public all of these years on UFOs and other things relating to UFOs.
dcman
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 2 2007, 07:26 AM) *
A good example of many, just how the government has been duping the public all of these years on UFOs and other things relating to UFOs.



I ask the question why...why the deception? ...there is an answer
skyeagle409
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 2 2007, 09:57 PM) *
I ask the question why...why the deception? ...there is an answer


In my opinion, the government is too frightened at this point to release such information at this time, but given time, I expect the rest of the story to be told.

The President of the United States who reveals that story on the international airwaves, will know that after the revelation is made, then there can be no turning back the clock, and Pandora's Box will have been opened, and whatever happens afterwards, will change the history of mankind forever and the President's name will be forever etched in stone in that history, whether for better or worst.

In other words, he will know that when he wakes up in the morning, the world will be changed forever because of what he had done and his name will go down in history as a result. The question is: would he be able to live the rest of his life peacefully knowing that he has changed the course of history?
Magnatude
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 2 2007, 02:57 PM) *
I ask the question why...why the deception? ...there is an answer


Imagine this technology falling into the "wrong" hands or "seen" by the wrong eyes.
US was in the midst of a cold war, secrecy was expected.
The best way to keep things even more secret is by denial and keeping things within secret circles, after all, at the time there were many secret double agents, so who could you really trust?

I think it just continued from there, there are still reasons to keep these things secret.
Syntax
I look at it more from the point of view that it means that the government does not have total authority over what happens to its citizens.

These things can seemingly do what they want, take what they want, and we don't have the means to stop them.

Imagine being told that your government doesn't have the power to stop a higher force from doing what they wished?
Magnatude
QUOTE(Syntax @ Oct 2 2007, 05:46 PM) *
I look at it more from the point of view that it means that the government does not have total authority over what happens to its citizens.

These things can seemingly do what they want, take what they want, and we don't have the means to stop them.

Imagine being told that your government doesn't have the power to stop a higher force from doing what they wished?


Ah, very interesting!
kraken
QUOTE
Imagine this technology falling into the "wrong" hands or "seen" by the wrong eyes.

lol..Thats assuming it hasn't already, and over 50 years ago too ph34r.gif
clem
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 2 2007, 11:34 PM) *
In my opinion, the government is too frightened at this point to release such information at this time, but given time, I expect the rest of the story to be told.

The President of the United States who reveals that story on the international airwaves, will know that after the revelation is made, then there can be no turning back the clock, and Pandora's Box will have been opened, and whatever happens afterwards, will change the history of mankind forever and the President's name will be forever etched in stone in that history, whether for better or worst.

In other words, he will know that when he wakes up in the morning, the world will be changed forever because of what he had done and his name will go down in history as a result. The question is: would he be able to live the rest of his life peacefully knowing that he has changed the course of history?

ya that article was fantastic.. thanx for sharin it.
and yes pandora's box will indeed be opened and the name will be attatched.
the result of this information (whether its a 'fake' attack - or just the diclosure of the info ) would be either the cause of, or result of, or just in sinc with a huge change in our physical (at the moment) selves. ive been on a thread close to this i think.. the fake attack would be the best option for the 'powers that be". yes there are aliens , and yes we have advanced technology, yes we kept it hidden but that was only for your protection"
now the world officially knows.
now you have a reason for the years and years of lies and secrets .
you have a reason for everyone on earth to become an 'earth government ' with even MORE security'
and you have potential reasons and/or answers for - god, jesus, atlantis, pyramids, sphinx, crop circles, human origin, life origin, etc

ok..
there's the technology.
the government(s) might be able to keep it to themselves for a while- 'national security ' . but will eventually be available.
in order for a non money making form of free energy system to be in place- the old money making fuel system we have now would have to break down.
this means a whole new way of living. one that ISNT 'make as much money as you can'american dream'' i cannot imagine the system breaking down in A peaceful manner.
releasing this information begins a HUGE strange journey in our spirits.

looking up,
clem

psychicstuff
If the government is hiding this stuff then whatever they are doing about it will either come back to bite us all in the analls or we will benefit greatly when we meet an alien race. My line of thought is.. If the ETs wanted to be revealed, they would show themselves. If not and the government is acting strangely about hiding it all. Then that means they really don't and some are even entrusting the government with the secrecy in certain matters. The masses knowing about ETs would put something in danger. This danger may apply to all of us or a certain community. That is if all of this isn't just imagination. Why do we think we are the only intelligent life in a vastly unknown universe with a vast amount of solar systems and many Earth-like planets.
Magnatude
I somewhat feel that someone is already using this technology, as in some organization, as in human, has figured out a few things and are currently using it.
Now, I haven't personally ever witnessed a flying technological oddity myself, however I do know of people who have seen levitating/floating objects of remarkable size sauntering through the air (in my location).

Seems today, with all the technology to create fake UFO footage, the only proof we can expect to believe in is the sighting that you personally see with your own eyes... hell, even if I had a video camera and was filming an actual sighting people would look at it and denounce it as fake using 3D software or smoke&mirrors.
Its a terrible thing and helps out the government "denial" greatly.


All excellent replies and arguments, stuff to really think about.


psyche101
One thing I noticed in this article is a common theme.

Spherical, or egg shaped "things" falling all over the world.

If one was to take Haut's recollection of what he found at Roswell seriously - 12-15 foot egg shaped craft.

Like Kecksburg, South America, Bolivia. Like many of the "things" described here. Have you uncovered part of a project? Considering AJH's comment's on Roswell, could this be a bigger and better, still ongoing project to overshadow Mogul tenfold? ould Mogul have been a cover up for a cover up like the weather balloon claim?

Common theme = corraborative evidence. As you wll have seen, I have a thing for sources that fortify each other.

Hrrrmzzzz...........
skyeagle409
QUOTE(clem @ Oct 3 2007, 02:56 AM) *
ya that article was fantastic.. thanx for sharin it.


You're welcome!!

dcman
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 2 2007, 11:34 PM) *
In my opinion, the government is too frightened at this point to release such information at this time, but given time, I expect the rest of the story to be told.

The President of the United States who reveals that story on the international airwaves, will know that after the revelation is made, then there can be no turning back the clock, and Pandora's Box will have been opened, and whatever happens afterwards, will change the history of mankind forever and the President's name will be forever etched in stone in that history, whether for better or worst.

In other words, he will know that when he wakes up in the morning, the world will be changed forever because of what he had done and his name will go down in history as a result. The question is: would he be able to live the rest of his life peacefully knowing that he has changed the course of history?



Too frightened of what??? The Aliens or people?

I can imagine the headlines when it breaks...

"ALIENS HAVE INVADED EARTH" you know how the media likes to hype things up a bit. lol, I'm sure we could come up with some very interesting headlines.
Slim1
Thanks for sharing, that was really interesting. With all the information found through the freedom of information act, can't that force the US to start speaking up to the public about the UFO phenomena?
skyeagle409
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 3 2007, 04:40 PM) *
Too frightened of what??? The Aliens or people?

I can imagine the headlines when it breaks...

"ALIENS HAVE INVADED EARTH" you know how the media likes to hype things up a bit. lol, I'm sure we could come up with some very interesting headlines.


The panic of 1938 in regards to the "War of the Worlds" broadcast was probably still on the minds of people in government.


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"War of the Worlds": Behind the 1938 Radio Show Panic

Thousands of people, believing they were under attack by Martians, flooded newspaper offices and radio and police stations with calls, asking how to flee their city or how they should protect themselves from "gas raids." Scores of adults reportedly required medical treatment for shock and hysteria.

The hoax worked, historians say, because the broadcast authentically simulated how radio worked in an emergency.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20..._warworlds.html


Radio Listeners in Panic, Taking War Drama as Fact
Many Flee Homes to Escape 'Gas Raid From Mars'--Phone Calls Swamp Police at Broadcast of Wells Fantasy

This article appeared in the New York Times on Oct. 31, 1938.
A wave of mass hysteria seized thousands of radio listeners between 8:15 and 9:30 o'clock last night when a broadcast of a dramatization of H. G. Wells's fantasy, "The War of the Worlds," led thousands to believe that an interplanetary conflict had started with invading Martians spreading wide death and destruction in New Jersey and New York.

The broadcast, which disrupted households, interrupted religious services, created traffic jams and clogged communications systems, was made by Orson Welles, who as the radio character, "The Shadow," used to give "the creeps" to countless child listeners. This time at least a score of adults required medical treatment for shock and hysteria.

In Newark, in a single block at Heddon Terrace and Hawthorne Avenue, more than twenty families rushed out of their houses with wet handkerchiefs and towels over their faces to flee from what they believed was to be a gas raid. Some began moving household furniture.

Throughout New York families left their homes, some to flee to near-by parks. Thousands of persons called the police, newspapers and radio stations here and in other cities of the United States and Canada seeking advice on protective measures against the raids.


http://members.aol.com/jeff1070/wotw.html


War of the Worlds

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/war_worlds.html


Say for instance, you are President of the United States and ET was revealed to you. Would you go to CNN and call for a news conference? Or, just pass it on to the next president?
BishopRyan
Or it could be as simple as our government has in the past assisted other worldly species in questionable ways. A wild thought comes to mind that some of these abductions could have been government assisted for the greater good of both species....like I said a "wild thought". Too many questions now and pandora's box would open it 100 fold.
Rocket88
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 2 2007, 10:57 PM) *
I ask the question why...why the deception? ...there is an answer



Because politicians like to be seen as "cleaner than clean", & this would instantly brand the last 60yrs of government leaders
as LIARS!
They don"t like that word. yes.gif
dcman
QUOTE(Rocket88 @ Oct 3 2007, 07:18 PM) *
Because politicians like to be seen as "cleaner than clean", & this would instantly brand the last 60yrs of government leaders
as LIARS!
They don"t like that word. yes.gif



I could care less about some crooked politician, but what makes you think that it's some politician keeping this from the world? I thought it was some dark mysterious shadowy government that was hoarding all this to themselves. You know...
"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy,its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."
— Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings
dcman
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 4 2007, 04:06 AM) *
I could care less about some crooked politician, but what makes you think that it's some politician keeping this from the world? I thought it was some dark mysterious shadowy government that was hoarding all this to themselves. You know...
"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy,its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."
— Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings


Shadow Government: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU...ated&search=
Teslasparkgap
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 3 2007, 11:30 PM) *

Here, this is total dis info:

Top Secret Clearance speaker explains whats going on

Eisenhower Met With Aliens In 1954 -Close Encounter Meeting

Cool. Check out all his info:
http://www.youtube.com/user/aceBryan7ox

Mind control is a bad thing.

Bush and the Nazis are still doing it. ETs, UFOs and unknown energy and 9/11.. toss in wars and such all
from the shadow government.
Hawkmason
cool read my friend

but one reason i think (my opnion) regards the whole saying "A person is smart,People are irrational and Dangerous"

maybe the government has kept everything secret for the fear of massive panic and Riots,they want the People to stay safe so the Powers that be can stay in power and keep the world safe by preparing themselves and slowly preparing the american people but introducing the alian tech slowly into our life styles

just a thought
outsider75
there is a rather good book on this very subject matter. i've got a copy that i got from (of all places) a dollar general. its a really good objective book that showes how they were started and when and which groups they are operating out of today. i'll dig thru my stash and post the name of it.
dcman
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 3 2007, 06:41 PM) *
The panic of 1938 in regards to the "War of the Worlds" broadcast was probably still on the minds of people in government.




Say for instance, you are President of the United States and ET was revealed to you. Would you go to CNN and call for a news conference? Or, just pass it on to the next president?



Wasn't there a document or report of some kind that stated reasons why EBEs should not be revealed, for fear of mass panic and what not?
outsider75
alot of people belive that the war of the worlds broadcast was a mass experiment to test and record the reactions of people to the fact of alien visitation.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(dcman @ Oct 4 2007, 04:05 PM) *
Wasn't there a document or report of some kind that stated reasons why EBEs should not be revealed, for fear of mass panic and what not?


Yes there was!

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Brookings Report - The NY Times
12/15/1960

Dateline: The New York Times, Thursday, December 15, 1960

Mankind is warned to Prepare for Discovery of Life in Space - Brookings Institution Report Says Earth's Civilization Might Topple if faced by a Race of Superior Beings


Washington. Dec 14 (UPI) -- Discovery of life on other worlds could cause the earth's civilization to collapse, a Federal report said today.

This warning was contained in a research report given to the National Aeronautical and Space Administration with the recommendation that the world prepare itself mentally for the eventuality.

The report, prepared by the Brookings Institution, said "while the discovery of intelligent life in other parts of the universe is not likely in the immediate future, it could nevertheless, happen at any time." Discovery of Intelligent beings on other planets could lead to an all-out effort by earth to contact them, or it could lead to sweeping changes or even the downfall of civilization, the report said. Even on earth, it added, "societies sure of their own place have disintegrated when confronted by a superior society, and others have survived even though changed."


dcman
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 4 2007, 07:35 PM) *
Yes there was!

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Thanks for posting that, I couldn't remember the name of the report. "the Brookings Report" -- which increasingly seems to have played a crucial role in determining "official" NASA policy (also that of other branches of the Federal government) on the controversial subject of "solar system's artifacts" ... for more than thirty years.
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