The stone appurtenances in Rossly Chapel have been decoded to produce a coherent Musical Score.... but do musical scores also contain coded messages?????

See below for one example, courtesy of BBC News

Thanks for that.....an interesting read....I've not heard about any of that before.

'Some Mothers Do Ave Em'.....with a secret code in the theme tune....what-ever next!
The programme still makes me laugh...

In general....hidden codes and messages in music is a facinating topic....

Imagine...if a 'soap' theme tune contained a subliminal message....

Or if constant listening of certain kinds of repetative drumming music...actually
gave young people a kind of brain damage??

Don't want to turn a light hearted topic heavy, though........so......I'll shut up, now.

I knew about the Inspector Morse show having morse code in the theme tune.
But even on a basic level of music you have the notes, A,B,C,D,E,F,G,, add minors u got M, europe uses H instead of B, there are more, but im not going to bore you, but i mean in a couple of seconds you have, A,B,,C,D,E,F,G,H,M, so you could spell certian words to people an like any good code you can open it up more add more things etc etc, so yeah music can be used as a code.

Interesting news! I never put any thought into it.

Now THIS is a topic that I am lovin'... Coding in music - Totally possible and I'm sure it happens.

With today's technology of MIDI (musical instrument digital interface) and sequencing programs you could basically take any kind of mathematics and plug them into a more advance music program and see what happens.

When I was an artist on mp3.com a few years back there was a musician on there who took crop circle measurements and input them into a music program and the 'mathematics' basically played the song. Some were really not very musical at all though. Unfortunately we lost him to cancer. I really wish I could remember his name.

Here is a link to another crop circle music site. Crop Circle

Try a google search for crop circle music and see what you get... there's quite a bit out there.

I always wondered what it would sound like if Pyramid measurements were used in this same technique... or better yet the breakdown of Bible Mathematics.

They used to say that about Jazz in the 20s and 30s, you know.
If you play drums loud enough and long enough, at the right speeds, your heart will begin to beat at the same rhythm. When Eugene O'Neil was still young, he wrote a play called the Emperor Jones with drums like that, starting slow and then speeding up, to affect the audience.

--Jaylemurph

I am also very curious if contained within some of the very ancient Devotional Music there might be underlying messages. In fact why is some music considered sacred at all? I'm thinking now of the cadences and stops in Monastic chants... is it a way of preserving certain information, or certain knowledge. Some of the chants are 1500 or more years old, and some have never varied, it was almost considered heresy to change any of the tonal points.

i am no expert (I play keyboards for my own amusement and occasionally in public) but I'm willing to bet that a real expert could come up with some very interesting observations

No way Bee!!! All input is good because too little is known in this area. Turn it heavy if you like, it's all information

Just try Pink Floyd's Dark side of the Moon with a speaker system that can provide enough bass sound pressure... you will notice both your breathing and heartbeat changing. Not recommended if you have a heart condition.

Strauss' "Also sprach Zaratrustra" can get a chill running up and down your spine in a concert hall or with a good set of speakers, especially if the organ part is played with a Silbermann.

There is more to music than just music, much of it is designed to transmit emotions. Just that it cannot be experienced with the average Ghetto Blaster.

I do agree with keithisco and BiffSplitkins on their quotes about this subject. Music dose have many meanings with in its flow and how its played by tones to frequencies, also its an universal language.

I read somewhere that coded music will open certain chambers in the pyramids....

..now lets see if I can 'google' it up????

I'm sure I heard somewhere that a DJ had produced music based upon the Fibonacci sequence! Anyonw here no who it was?

Several, see here:

http://techcenter.davidson.k12.nc.us/Group2/music.htm

http://www.labyrinthina.com/putucusi1a.htm





some more DNA music.... I so love it!!!!


http://whozoo.org/mac/Music/

http://whozoo.org/mac/Music/CD.htm


http://whozoo.org/mac/Music/Sources.htm

huh? Pyramid in America?

Great AMERICAN Pyramids
http://www.geocities.com/linksatlantis/gre...canpyramids.htm







North America is home to numerous pyramids in the form of mounds of earth in varios formations such as that at Mississipi Monk's Mound which covers 16 acres; it rests on a base 1,037 feet long and 790 feet wide, with a total volume of approximately 21,690,000 cubic feet, a base and total volume greater than that of the pyramid of Khufu, the largest in Egypt.





Tiahuanaco, until recently considered the oldest city in the Americas has the largely un-excavated Akapana pyramid with internal water channels, sometimes said to be a site for refining tin.

.. etc... etc... etc..

I should have said "the great Pyramid in America?"... sorry if I caused undue work...

I think they are pretty great... don't you???

Ehm, yes... now to the tuned king's chamber, heartbeat has a frequency from 1-1.2 Hz, which means that considering the wave velocity of sound if the king's chamber would have been half the size it still would be "tuned" to heart frequency (if it really is, too lazy to do the math now).

Yes...I surpose they did...actually I don't like jazz music and the way it makes
me feel....
The older generation has always resisted the musical changes that the young get into
maybe.....but in saying that....all this deep thudding stuff...it can't be healthy.


If you have a thoughtless neighbour that plays their 'music' loud and all you get is the
thudding.....I had to go to one of my neighbours recently and ask them to turn their
music down because it was stressing me out, bigtime....and causing an unpleasant
vibration in the whole building.

I wonder if there are unintentional 'emotional' codes in music....that affect people deeply....like...
is some of the loud thumpy music depressing some members of the younger generation
and making them more prone to stress and violence??? Or is the 'music' just reflecting what
they are feeling anyway....chicken or egg situation ?

I watched 'the Shawshank Redemption' again the other day....and there was that brilliant
bit when one of the main characters locked himself in a room and played classical opera to
all the inmates.....as the woman sang they listened in total rapture....their souls free for those
minutes.

why would people put morse code into music?? -.-

Whoa, never would have thought of that, i love Frank Spencer, tis funny!
but i have heard of coded music before, anyone heard of, umm i think the Beatles songs that when played backwards,
says stuff in a demonic voice, same with a few other songs. umm i think one says things from the bible in a demonic voice,
but i'm not saying this is true, and you don't have to believe me, but i have heard somewhere about it.

http://whozoo.org/mac/Music/ADH.htm

Alcohol Dehydrogenase

Alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) is an enzyme that makes it possible for humans to drink beer, wine, and other alcoholic beverages. However, its "real" function is thought to be the conversion of alcohol generated by bacteria in the intestine to other metabolic products. Individuals with some mutant forms of ADH may be especially sensitve to alcohol. The molecule is a dimer made either of two identical or two different chains. Three of the possible sequences, alpha, beta, and gamma, are represented in the music; their slightly different sequences are listed below.

Also if you put on pink Floyds dark side of the moon and put the movie The wizard of oz and start playing them at the same time, they sync up with some intresting results.

I like Everytime We Touch by Cascada.

Certain ancient philosophies in the Americas held the belief that the entire universe is light (or, actually, a form of energy seen as light by those who were skilled in the process of disconnecting themselves from the physical manifestations). This energy is referred to in modern terms as "the Eagle's emanations", a term coined by Carlos Castaneda in his anthropological study of the philosophy of Don Juan, who referred to it as "Toltec". The means of divorcing from the material was the complete cessation of description, or "stopping the world". A specific beat could be used to aid in the process, but other means were usually employed (and are easier to accomplish).

Among those peoples skilled in this art, the use of the American pyramids and certain other structures amounted more to longevity than anything else. The concept was that during life, we are constantly bombarded by rolling things that smash against a particular area of the energy envelope we occupy. After a life time, depending on how strong an individual is, that area would rupture, causing death of the envelope (the awareness, however, survived). They believed that living underground, or spending a portion of time underground, would deflect this constant bashing and lengthen life time.

Use of various types of drumbeat, they believed, could allow them to control other people. In one case, a group of these "sorcerers" managed to survive for an extended period, supposedly several millenia, and these fellows feed (if they still exist, and if one believes this true) on the occasional traveller who is unfortunate enough to stumble across their abode. During evening and nighttime hours, they appear from underground and bang on drums, using a beat that strikes terror into their victims. They then feed on the released energy when the victim succumbs to fear and dies. Fun stuff, huh?

Some North American tribes used the entrainment process to put the attendees on the same level. The drummers were highly skilled at detecting, somehow, the heartbeats of the people there, and each of several drummers would entrain several people's tickers. When all individual hearts were beating at the same rate, the purpose of the gathering was revealed (not quite the right word), and all could discuss future actions of the tribe. Many of you will most likely disagree with the above, but four tribes in the general area where I grew up practiced this; I attended several of those functions, and I guarantee that those drummers had quite an effect on whoever was there.

In a more modern sense, one aspect of information encoded into music is a code wherein the digital representation of the music (and it can be any kind of music) is modified and information is inserted. This method is used to transmit information from computer to computer, and unless the encoding is known to the receiving computer, it cannot be decoded. In short, a song is recorded, the info is encoded, and the song is transmitted to the receiving computer, or placed on CD, or any other media in digital form. This way, highly sensitive information can be passed and no one will know it is being passed, including the people we worry about most. The program is quite expensive, and therefore is used by few people and/or institutions.

I'll quit now. Have fun with this.

I think it's faulty to say that there are "codes" in music. I definitely believe that there have been performers and composers who have purposefully put codes into their music. But, if anyone has seen Pi they know what I'm about to talk about. With any system that has measure and mathematics behind it, we can find "codes". There are many examples:
Constellations, the Bible Code, animal migrations, the Stock market, etc. When you look at a large system of pieces like these things are whether its the many numbers that make up the Hebrew of the bible, or the many stars in the universe which constellations are created out of, or the many animals on earth and their migrations they make through the seasons. The main character in Pi is trying to find the one number that represents everything in the universe, a universal mathematic code. The jews think that they have it, the main character thinks that he has found it in the stock market, and it gets even more complicated than that of course. But the main point that his teach tries to tell him is that if you are looking for a specific number or a specific anything, you will start seeing it everywhere. Take the number 13 for example. If you fixated on that number, you would start to see patterns that work with that number. All patterns are there all the time, its just a matter of which ones you decide to observe.
So in music, it doesn't matter what you might attempt to find in it, you will eventually be able to find every possible pattern that might be significant in any piece of music. What the fascinating this is is to evaluate music, like that of Bach, and look at how he wrote all of his works. theres a code to what Bach wrote, some say that's God speaking through him, some say it's just how our brain works. We will never really understand all of these correlations, but I like I said, I believe it is humans who create and decide what a significant "code" is, not the actual composer or the frequencies. There will always be an underlying code behind everything, which will always stay the same. It's something we cannot understand with words or letters or numbers. That, to me, is what "god" is.