Hey Everyone...

I mainly hang out in Ghosts & the Paranormal section but I am into the Alien & UFO theory too...

I believe we might find Alien life here on Earth before finding it on Mars or any other planet in the universe. Its going to be years before man steps foot onto Mars. With all of the new discoveries being made on Earth, I think there are signs of Alien life that was here already. For example, we are being visited by UFO's frequently already, however we also are discovering things in the Egyptian Pyramids that doesn't seem Earth like at all. I remember shows that were supposed to debut on t.v. that they had made huge discoveries in the Sphinx and Pyramids but it never aired. I remember the commercials for them. I wonder why they never aired? To cover something up? This universe is way too big for humans to be the only existence of life. We always think of Alien life in terms of little green men or gray men, however, there could be some kind of Alien parasite on another planet. Or things living in water. ET doesn't always have to pertain to the little green men. Thanks to hollywood, that is what we always think of first.

But I think evidence will be found here on Earth first...

I have no doubt that there are other forms of life in this vast universe. However, I personally doubt that anything has "visited" our planet. Especially during the last few thousand years. We would have far more evidence at this point, cover up or not. But I do agree that those other life forms most likely look nothing at all like what we would expect.

Off though: One of my psychology professors suggested that we envision alien life as reptilian looking because it coinsides with the earliest forms of life on our planet. My question for him was, if they are to be so advanced as to have the technology to travel space then why would people assume that they looked like such primitive forms of life? (The underlying connotation disturbed me). His response was that (historically) humans are too selfish to surrender that type of superiority (humans are more civilised than animals, right?). It's all a lot of rubbish.

What does surprise me is that there are supposedly Greys, Reptilians, Aryians etc, what happened to the traditional bug-eyed monster? I thought bugs were higher up the human subconscious than lizards.

There are many forms of "alien" life in the universe I suppose, but how exactly do we define life? bacteria can be considered life. If bateria from another planet was found here on earth -- would it be considered alien life?

Love,
Madeline

The film "The Andromeda Strain" proposed just that question.

Good point! Maybe because bugs are insects, not animals? And we are giving them the benefit of our doubt that they belong to the animal kingdom?? I rather like the sleestak (did I spell that correctly?) from the 1970's Land of the Lost programme. They looked like a cross between the two. They also knew how to harness and control massive energy through mineral stones. What a wicked concept!

Everyone looks to planets for life, i wouldnt be surprised to find life on moons within our solar system, Europa would be a good bet, EUROPA OCEAN EXPLORER when does the mission kick off?

Europa definitely has great possibilities!

That's a hell of a bunch of assumptions:

1 - That evidence of aliens will be found on earth first because they've been visiting us in UFOs - completely unproven

2 - That there are things about the pyramids that don't "seem like earth at all" - really have no idea what you mean, but we can fully account for how, why and when they were built. Don't bother with the Mars connection as thre isn't one. Just because something is rife in popular culture, doesn't make it scientifically or historically valuable.

3 - That because a programme wasn't aired they have soemthing to hide - a typical, lazy and now slightly boring excuse, that purely the absense of evidence points to a cover up and therefore apparently immediately confirming the unproven story to be true, something that logically makes less sense than a circular square.

It sounds like you're confusing many areas of popular culture and science. Yes, it is almost definate that there is life, no matter how simple, somewhere else in the universe, but this life is certainly not flying crafts to this planet and had nothing to do with building the pyramids.



Its completely theoretical at the moment, there are no concrete plans to go to Europa.

Thanks for the Update Emma, Its a shame because its one of the missions that could actually find some sort of life,

So Emma... what makes you an expert? Have you investigated Mars yourself to know there isn't signs of Alien life on Mars? How do you know we won't find anything on Earth? Have you explored every crack and hole on our planet to prove the facts that there are no signs of Alien life on Earth?

How do you know the Aliens had nothing to do with the Pyramids? Can you prove it?

I'm entitled to my opinion. It may not be complete facts, but everything in the Paranormal field is based on THEORY & OPINION! What credentials do you have to back your theory up Emma?

And (supporting Pluto's thought) chances are that if there is foreign material that made its way to earth, it most likely ended up somewhere in the ocean or at the caps... Places that we are just starting to explore.

She is following what is currently established scientific fact. You however, are making assumptions based on your own ignorance of these subjects, and assuming since you are ignorant, that the rest of the world is as ignorant.

Fact -- no life has been found on Mars. No evidence accepted by mainstream, credible scientists has been found suggest life ever existed on Mars, nor has evidence been found suggesting aliens built anything on Mars.

Fact -- It is accepted by archeaologists that humans built the pyramids, not aliens. There has been no evidence of any sort that suggests aliens or anything other than humans, using the tools of the period, built the pyramids. I would suggest reading this length treatsie on the subject, Why Aliens Did Not Build the Pyramids.

Fact -- There has never been a bit of scientific, empirical evidence that proves aliens have visited Earth, or that any sort of alien life exists here. What "evidence" there is can either be explained by understood phenomena, or is "unexplained." Unexplained is just that, unexplained...meaning there is not enough evidence to draw any sort of conclusion. Unexplained is not a synonym for "alien".

You, however, are not following currently established scientific fact. Since you wish to challenge what is established fact, you burden of proof is on you, not Emma, or the world-at-large.

While you are entitled to your opinion, so is Emma. If you are going to make comments or forward theories, expect them to be challenged. If you do not wish to have your beliefs challenged, perhaps this is not the best forum for you. And before you demand to see anyone's credintials and qualifications, perhaps you should show your's first.

LOL - hell yeah. land of the lost was awsome & so were the sleestaks




O M G - i can totally see why you & eric raven are friends. i can't believe he hasn't jumped all over this yet too.

**Edited for snarkiness.**

then i reckon by your statements that the Mars rock found to have fossilized organisms in it to have been a complete hoax perpetrated by NASA and the government! great work!
today's science does not rule out the possibility of there not have been or currently living life on mars or on any other planet in our solar system or any other solar system. if they didn't think it might be out there than groups such a seti would never have been able to get off the ground.

You are speaking from a position of ignorance. While some have touted the ALH8001 meteorite as evidence of life on Mars, it remains controversial in the scientific community. Consider that no one knows for sure how, if they are in fossilized nanobacteria (the existence of which is only theoretical, not fact), how they got on the rock in the first place; if they are fossilized nanobacteria, it could be that these are earth-based bacteria that contaiminated the meteor. Second, consider the fact that chemical processes in the laboratory have created similiar structures, without any biological processes.



You using an archaic argument against an archaic viewpoint. A no point did anyone say that such things are not a possibility. However, currently understood evidence does not demonstrate there was ever life on Mars.

The globules found in ALH84001 have not conclusively been shown to fossilized life forms. There are many who think they're a result of earthly contamination and formed from inorganic processes. Realize, this thing has been sitting on earth for 13,000 years. Similar formations have been made in labs. Bear in mind, these globules are miniscule. Far smaller the smallest living bacteria we've ever found. Just so you know.

EDIT: Oops. Bruce was quicker.

I'm a perfect example of extraterrestrial life on Earth. xo

With people in here talking about scientific FACTS, many of which nowadays are hardly fact at all but rather the so say of university professers, with next to no archeological evidence to support the ridiculous theories that have been put forward to SUGGEST how the pyramids and such structures were built, and whom are bound by fraternal orders for as to HOW MUCH THEY CAN TELL PEOPLE. So this may be an ASSUMPTION, but it seems to me people need to update their own knowledge on these subjects and not trust accepted FACT without looking into a subject ONESELF. I would SUGGEST researching JORDAN MAXWELL and similar scholars. I personally DO NOT support the theory of martians having built pyramids on Earth any more than I support the so called official theory. I believe this to be a huge presumption based on nothing more than LACK of evidence for how the humans did it. Also a subject worth looking into is CYMATICS. Every mystery is explainable. Not saying I have the answers. But they are out there.
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A beautiful example, as well.

Welcome to UM, Saba.


*hurraayy!!! I m the first one who welcomed Saba!!*

Amen to Saba!!!

See, someone who knows how to make a point without insulting them or bashing them with the stupid remarks! I knew those people existed on these Forums! LOL...

I mean, geeze I'm entitled to my opinion and own beliefs... you don't have to bite my head off for sharing my opinion?

I don't have all the answers, just sharing what I think about. If that's a crime I should of been put in prison for 25 and life! LOL...

There is ample archeological evidence to show they were made by man and that they used some type of ramp system. If you want to ignore people who are far more educated than you on a subject and whose conjectures have to stand up to extreme scrutiny, the good for you. But if you expect your conjectures to be given the same weight as a scientist's. Well, you're out of luck. Much like Jordan Maxwell you could spout completely inane, unfounded theories and not have to back them up. Scientists don't have that luxury. Jordan Maxwell is a buffoon not a scholar. Writing a bunch of unsubstantiated junk and appearing on coast to coast does not a scholar make.

Basically guys...

if you don't have the facts, don't bother posting your opinion or sharing your thoughts. You'll be ripped to shreds!

Only if your thoughts and opinions are opposing respectively.
<<<<Such a trouble maker!
I am just teasing you.

Such a tease!

Well, who knows:



Anyway, a good, perhaps cynical, read: Fermi Paradox.

i am alway,s amazed how we human,s think we are so high up the ladder when in fact we are not much higher evolved then cavemen oh sure we have some small technology but we still fight war steal kill for no reason and destroy our planet any race a million year,s older then us would probley have the mean,s to go any where that they want

I'm afraid that just having a spaceship and a ray gun does not put someone on the moral high ground. Any race that is a million years older than us could be genocidal maniacs intent on ridding the universe of all life, fact is we just dont know.

hey - don't get snarky with me buddy

Then why do you keep posting?

Yes, that was a bit snarky. However, you gave Emma the same treatment you are accusing others of giving you. You need to realize if you are going to post your beliefs and "theories" in a forum, those will be challenged. And yes, while you are entitled to your opinion, you are not the only one that has that entitlement.

The same Jordan Maxwell?

On January 28, 2004, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) issued a default judgment and order against Jordan Maxwell charging that he, along with Vic Varjabedian, aka Victor Varjabedian, aka Varouj Varjabedian, violated the FTC act, in connection with illegally and deceptively selling marketed international driving permits over the internet.

According to the Memorandum Opinion in Support of Order, under section II entitled FACTS, both Jordan Maxwell, aka Russell Pine, and Vic Varjabedian, from about December 1999 to January 2003 "conducted a nationwide scheme to defraud customers using an internet website and in-bound telemarketing calls. The defendants maintained this website, http://www.bbcoa.com/,[10] where they sold fake international driver's permits, bogus credit repair services, and sham debt termination programs. Maxwell and Varjabedian have directed, controlled, and participated in the acts and practices of BBCOA."[11][12]

Jordan Maxwell has posted a public statement regarding the FTC judgement on his website.

Theory & Opinion vs Logic and Established Scientific Fact. Hmmm, nuff said.

In terms of the pyramids, no, of course you can't prove that, but given the lack of evidence to support it, I go with the most logical solution. So bite me.

Oh, and if you re-read my post, I said bugger all about life on Mars.



How does that make sense? So in order to get funding to build a system to look for sophisticated alien transmissions from light years away, they fake some alien bacteria found a few doors down from us? How can one lead to the other? Thats a severely simplistic view of the world you have there.



Again, overly simplistic. Just because the wishy washy grey area of new age mumbo jumbo is light on solid facts and heavy on unfounded speculation, doesn't mean that the world of empirical science and archeology is as well. To these people, facts are not the same as assumptions, as they are in the world of the pseudo-scientist.

And what the hell does cymatics have to do with anything?



Too true, love. But you can see all the pitfalls and hazards of going to Mars - a Europa mission would be more expensive and more risky. I mean, imagine if there was a completely sealed alien ecosystem under the ice, and somehow by drilling into it we contaminated it? It makes the Mars missions look like a trip to the shops.

It seems that there are evidences to support that Egyptians built the pyramids. You would have to visit the actual museums and places themselves to observe these evidences for yourself.
Carbon dating is sometimes innacurate. I think that it isn't too reliable. We probably don't know the true age of the pyramids. The ancient people who might have built the pyramids had measured the stars to have perfect alignment in their pyramid structure. They came up with very clever ways to move 2.5 tons of stone. Some say that the stones were 1 million tons.. If it were the latter, it would have certain been next to impossible, even with rollers or slippery roads. The thing is that; The explanations are geared towards the assumptions of the person. Even the famous scientist can only guess and the things they don't know about the pyramids. They see evidences around them as supporting their claims. It could be that these evidences aren't what they think. There are many ways to say that you are right. Especially if it is a theory that is more acceptable but the mainstream. You become a "wellknown expert" by going with the flow to become popular. What sets these people apart from other expert of equal or greater expertise is that they know how to play the political game.

Ofcourse we all gear our explanations towards our assumptions so what we can really trust is our own eyes. Theories are fair game when things are unncertain. There's no way to be certain unless you see with your own eyes, in a world where people will tell you things to prove themselves right. Sometimes this means that what they say may not be entirely true or what they find isn't exactly what they want to think.

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Do I smell Government officials on this thread trying to debunk someones opinions?

I think the bad ones was living here on earth.
While the good ones up there somewhere.

Do I smell utter foolishness?

Really, if you think everyone who disagrees with you, or is skeptical about paranormal claims is a paid government disinforment, you need to either grow up, or grow a bit of common sense. The government has neither the time or manpower to have trolls on the internet worrying about a common pissant's opinion on UFOs.

Carbon dating is indeed accurate. Multiple tests of the materials reach the same conclusion and fall within a few hundred years of what the greek historical records say. Cloth and some fire pits match the historic date exactly. The older dates of the wood that could have been scaffolding and cranes implies that they kept these items intact from previous building projects for continuous use. Something quite sensible given the rarity of wood in egypt by that time.

Also the largest stones in the great pyramid are about 80 tons. Quite amazing but far from a million tons. The entire pyramid is about 6 million tons and that includes the earth in the middle.

[quote name='BrucePrime' date='Oct 5 2007, 04:16 AM' post='1918938']
She is following what is currently established scientific fact. You however, are making assumptions based on your own ignorance of these subjects, and assuming since you are ignorant, that the rest of the world is as ignorant.

Fact -- no life has been found on Mars. No evidence accepted by mainstream, credible scientists has been found suggest life ever existed on Mars, nor has evidence been found suggesting aliens built anything on Mars.

Fact -- It is accepted by archeaologists that humans built the pyramids, not aliens. There has been no evidence of any sort that suggests aliens or anything other than humans, using the tools of the period, built the pyramids. I would suggest reading this length treatsie on the subject, Why Aliens Did Not Build the Pyramids.

Fact -- There has never been a bit of scientific, empirical evidence that proves aliens have visited Earth, or that any sort of alien life exists here. What "evidence" there is can either be explained by understood phenomena, or is "unexplained." Unexplained is just that, unexplained...meaning there is not enough evidence to draw any sort of conclusion. Unexplained is not a synonym for "alien".


Just because some thing is fact now doesnt make it true in the past the were lots of FACTS that are now wrong.

FACT-the world is flat.

FACT-the Earth is in the center of the galaxy/universe(Dont know which one it acctually was)

FACT-Man will never fly.

Dont always take FACTS as truths.

That is a very weak argument. Being wrong about things in the past is not proof that aliens are visiting the Earth or that they built the pyramids, etc.

I also think you need to re-read what I wrote, with a very careful eye.

[quote name='BrucePrime' date='Oct 9 2007, 01:56 AM' post='1924631']
That is a very weak argument. Being wrong about things in the past is not proof that aliens are visiting the Earth or that they built the pyramids, etc.

I didnt say anything about Aliens building the pyramids or that it was proof they were visiting earth, inFACT(sorry couldn't help it) i dont believe that Aliens built the pyramids or the is any acctual proof of aliens visiting the earth all i was saying was that just because something is a fact doesnt make something else not possible all it means is science cant prove its possible yet.

STIR

Its completely theoretical at the moment, there are no concrete plans to go to Europa


Go to nasa.com

What, the North American Search Authority? Useful.

On the proper NASA site, there is no mention of a mission to Europa, not on their "future missions" page, meaning it is therefore still at a very basic stage, if its being planned at all.