I quit everything now writes: "I don't believe in any god anymore..."

For full quote see: (warning - post at link contains profanities)

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism...aaccb84be09c5d8




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V writes:


This is a classic example of the path people take when they become a reactionary atheist. Such atheism is based in hate, distrust, vengeance, pain and despair. Not a good foundation to base atheism on if you plan to be an atheist.

First let me offer my compassion for the pain that 'I quit everything now' has suffered. Unfortunately my compassion offers little in the area of a real and lasting healing from that pain. Such a recovery has to come from within us. The sooner you can release the control and expectations 'I quit everything now', the sooner you can let go of the pain.

See:

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=613.0

Realize 'I quit everything now' that there are many flavors of atheists...natural atheists, personal atheists, explicit atheists, implicit atheists weak atheists, strong atheists, discovery atheists, reactionary atheists, indoctrinated atheists and of course the bad ass atheists with attitude aka BAAWA varieties.

But the defining characteristic that leads an atheist to peace is whether they are a 'spiritual and truth based atheist' or 'defiance ego based atheist.

See my opening post at"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism...f400bdf88ba1701

If you wish to be an atheist, then be a 'strong atheist' one that can express themselves in detail as to why there in so God 'I quit everything now' .

If I was an atheist, I'd be in the strong atheist classification, since I can expound on such thoughts at lengths and can back them up with facts and reason

A 'weak atheist' on the other hand uses the reason they don't believe in God is the same reason they don't believe in the Easter bunny or leprechauns for example. Or in your case, your ego gets bruised and you get mad at God.

In any case, many theists think God is Santa Claus and must come through with their demands, just as we did as greedy children making up a long, impossible list for Santa to fill. They think it is Christmas day every day of the year! Well, if God does exist God does not work in that fashion where the egotistic demands of billions of people get granted every millisecond of the day and night.

Can you imagine if everyone's prayers were answered according to our self centered and conflicting demands? Everyone would be billionaires, some would sprout wings and fly or grow gills and live underwater and no one would grow old.

Death...no one would ever die...except ones "enemies" that the misguided might prayer for to die. Furthermore we would be the Gods as the real God would not know better than us. This is not how the world and spiritual laws work 'I quit everything now' .

In the bible it reminds us that God's way is not man's way, and we can all be very grateful for that, as we can see what has happened when demigods take power on earth.

Many women say they can't understand men, just as many men say they can't understand women. Well, to further distill this we can say that God's way is not man's way and man's way is not woman's way.

Every creature has it's way and when you can come to peace with this you will have an easier time digesting enlightenment. To start on your peace journey look for insight into the other creatures suffering and problems 'I quit everything now' .

This technique comes from my Buddhist practice. This is easier to do with men or women than with God. But it can still be done non the same with your higher power, as I mentioned above with the impossibility of satisfying all the demands of a selfish and conflicting world.

I would caution you to not become an atheist and only go so far as being a freethinking agnostic.

The reason for this recommendation is this. I've been around thousands of atheists over the last 10 years and I must say that on average, the atheist is the sickest, most hate filled haggard shell of a human I've ever come across...and I've been on over 300 forums over the last decade to support my statement 'I quit everything now' .

If you follow my posts you know I only speak the truth. You may not like to hear the truth, but that still does not change the truth into fiction.

So, I offer this recommendation to you in the hopes that despite your loss of faith in God, you do not become a hate filled atheist and in the process know all their is about everything under the sun 'I quit everything now' .

See - The Self Deified Atheist

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=630.0

See - What the hell would we need "spiritual values" for when we can have real values?

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=509.0

See - The Toxic Atheist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism...de6b09e0e2e2ec3

My own journey leaving theism was a long one and had nothing to do with the reactionary brand of atheism driving me away from God.

What did drive me away was from an earnest and hard pressed search to get closer to God.

I was Catholic for 50 years and am now a freethinking agnostic. I don't think there is a God, but I may be wrong. I am about 85% atheistic in my views.

It all started for me many years ago when an ex-Krishna / Wicca massage lady told me that Jesus was not born on December 25 and the Christians adopted that day to steal it away from the pagans holiday. Then she told be it was the same with Halloween.

A few years later I found out that the gospels were not written by the apostles or men that even knew Jesus.

Then I came across Freke's book 'The Jesus Mysteries.' I started to study the beginnings of Christianity and how the Nicene council was nothing more than a political convention to find out who had the best spin on Jesus.

I wrote to a few professors such Bart D. Ehrman and others asking about The Jesus Mysteries. Their reply was it wasn't worth reading or just nonsense.

Relieved that such talk was hogwash, I drifted back to religion for some time until the next crack showed up at my door.

I was on a Buddhist forum eSangha (where I was eventually banned) and the discussion turned to Jesus. Someone mentioned the 'Jesus Never Existed' website and then this forum came about so I joined.

Then talked with an ex-rabbi dizax that guided me into more detailed biblical study.

Meeting that ex-rabbi was a major turning point in my life of religious beliefs, as I had never bothered to 'really' study what the foundation of monotheism was based on. I only bought the religious hype and did not know the facts.

Then one day read in the news that the church abolishes limbo. This did not go well with the concept of the truth is that which does not change.

Then watched some shows on the History Channel about religion that gave me more insight by exposing the lies.

I talked with some Christian members at the forums.

Sometimes their argument's were really insane. One Christian argued that the ancient coal and fossils were planted by the devil to trick us so we would not believe in God and go to hell.

Other were smarter and less extreme. One in particular was most knowledgeable. He said the bible was the perfect word of God EXCEPT the creation story which he viewed as myth.

Well, if we start to pick and choose what is real or lies in the bible...where does it end?

I started to talk with many atheists and listened to their stories. All good questions they proposed and the theists could never begin to answer them.

I started listening to some of Ken Humphrey's programs:

http://jesusneverexisted.com/ken-Alchemy.mp3

http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.php?op=...r=0&thold=0

http://jesusneverexisted.com/kenwfm.mp3

As I continued to study religion and the bible in particular, I could see very clearly now that all religion is man made and flavored with the ego's of men.

And after about 7 years of developing cracks in my Catholic foundations, I decided that I would make a change in my way of life, sided on the path of truth and left the church evolving into a truth based Agnostic Freethinker.

I still use many tools from spiritual as well as religious sources.

If the tool can be tested for truth and does not require faith, then I make use of it if it promotes inner peace. (I should say it does take 'faith to test' sometimes, but once you start the test, the need for faith evaporates.)

See True Freethinking

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=470.0

Also See: Peace tools for atheists, agnostics and theists

http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=4.0



Good luck with finding peace with this topic 'I quit everything now'


V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2

"The reason for this recommendation is this. I've been around thousands of atheists over the last 10 years and I must say that on average, the atheist is the sickest, most hate filled haggard shell of a human I've ever come across...and I've been on over 300 forums over the last decade to support my statement 'I quit everything now' ."

wow i'm suprised nobody commented on this thread....maybe cuz it's so long and nobody seen that statment i have posted above. this site is swarming with atheist and none commented on that. maybe they didn't see it or maybe they think it's true and don't want to comment on it. i don't think atheist are the most hate filled people but i do think they arn't so peaceful and loving as they claim. talking about religious people are full of hate.......when they just as soon would spit on and resort to saying all religious people need to be wiped off the planet......sounds like religious terrorism right there...with out the religion.

anyway i don't think atheist are so sick....maybe the most ego driven and power hungry though.

[quote name='Godofcats' date='Oct 5 2007, 01:13 PM' post='1919853']
"The reason for this recommendation is this. I've been around thousands of atheists over the last 10 years and I must say that on average, the atheist is the sickest, most hate filled haggard shell of a human I've ever come across...and I've been on over 300 forums over the last decade to support my statement 'I quit everything now' ."

I noticed! This statement is both offensive and utterly untrue I can never understand how so many people believe that if your an Atheist you have no morals and your filled with anger towards religion. Sorry but this is completely false!

Would you mind terribly, terribly much, next time briefly summarising your link (not everyone can access all links, and anyway a brief summary would be good.)

Also, could you find a clearer way of showing what is your own response/opinion, and what is material from other sources. This helps me get an idea of your own position on the issue.

(After a third reading, i am coming to the opinion that this is all your personal opinion, interspersed with relevant links, and it is obviously in response to the first link, which I was unable to open. IF I had been able to do that, the whole point you are making might have been clearer.)

Finally, would you mind summarising the main points of your post at the end, to make it clear what they are, and perhaps adding something to indicate what question you are asking, or what sort of response you are seeking. The impression I get is that this is actually a response to a post by an atheist, which concerned you for a number of reasons, but it is not clear why you opened a whole tnew thread to reply. Again, if I had been able to open the original thread, this may have been clearer.

Maybe i am just lazy, but I have good reading/comprehension skills and I struggled to follow what you were on about. It seems a waste to spend so much time preparing something, which is obviously of interest to you, but make it less accessible, through the style of presentation.

Sorry mate. I am supposed to be on holidays, but I have just spent the day marking student's work, and it is hard to get out of "assessment mode," so do take that into account. None the less It should not be such hard work for me to interpret what you are trying to say.

If this was basically a personal response to a problem understood by you and one or more other people, then my criticism that you should make it more accessible in an open forum remains valid.

So, VFR, what is your point? Is it against Atheists in general, or some particular ones, that happen to treat you badly? I personally cannot blame a religion, a thing, or object. It is the person within it, I blame, because it's their own responsibility to act accordingly.
Now, if you have something against Atheist, because some have treated you badly, I think you must remember, everyone is different, and so not all Atheist are like that. Your beef is against certain personality types, who happen to be Atheist.
Now, if you are against all Atheist, because you don't believe in their way of life, well guess what! It is none of your concern!
No matter what links, and statements you make against Atheism, it will not change the way Atheist believe. They believe that for a reason. Another thing is, it is also their right!

Or maybe we don't reply is because we have been over this so many times it becomes pointless to people liek you who do not like to accept what we have to say anyway.

Call us sick? You are the most hypocritical person I have come across .. Not just in these forums -- In my life ..

To say that atheists are vile .. Shells of human beings .. Just because our views are different from you're own religious ones? Goes to show how religion destroys things like -- harmony,peace,intelligence.

And I have not become an atheist because I 'Quit' like the majority of atheists we became atheists because we made a choice that we thought seemed to be the practical one .. Just as you did ..


You also say we want religion wiped off the planet? WOW now you're annoying me ..

It is, in fact other religions that dislike you my friend .. Oh AND maybe the families that have been ruined due to religion?


It is obvious both of you need some more education have A LOT of growing up to do ..

All I have to say about this is that it is truly offensive and while I dislike in fact I hate religion however I do not hold it against those who follow and never have. Each person has the RIGHT to choose what their personal beliefs are and no one has the right to say otherwise.



Many religious people are full of hate and yes many atheists are as well, however to simply say that we are not peace loving when you post offensive material from such an ignorant view point does make you a hypocrite.

You suggest that we advocate genocide and we are terrorists which suggests to me that you have never once sat down with an atheist. To set the record straight me and my fellow atheists here have never suggested that the religious need to be purged nor has any of us here advocated that people should not have the ability to choose their own path.



Ignorance is bliss.....

If any group is discriminated the world over more then any other it is the atheists, for some reason we are seen as immoral heathens simply because we do not share the belief in an all knowing and everlasting space daddy. Your right though atheists do get pissed off and comments like yours are the reason.

hold on. i didn't say atheist had no morals and are evil. i don't think this at all. the only point i was making was atheist are not as peacful and loving as they say due to the fact i've witness much discrimination against religion and anybody who doesn't believe "science" 100 % by atheist. that's all i said. they are no better or worste than any religious group and or people.

Nobody should reply to this thread. All Vfr does is cut and paste posts from other boards with no follow ups, no explanations and no debate. That's his MO. Check out his other posts. He's almost a postbot.

You implied we were genocidal terrorists and later went on to say that we are the most power hungry and ego driven as well. So yes you did imply that atheists are pretty much evil etc. I highkly suggest you begin to think before your fingers start hitting keys.

What you posted was nothing short of pure ignorance and bigotry it's as simple as that.

bigotry as in talking about religion breeds hate while spewing hate agiasnt anything and everything religious? i compared some atheist to terrorist and how they believe religious people should be wiped off the earth just like religious terrorist want anyone who doesn't agree with them gone...i compared i didn't imply. as for the most ego driven and power hungry, that comes from arragance the comes off of atheist.....sitting there smoking their pipe and ajusting their glasses talking about "seriously, anyone who actually believes in a god is less intelligent then me (arragent chuckle)". wanting you're way taught to the kids in school and your way in anything government and in public.......that's power hungry holmes.

You said: "i don't think atheist are the most hate filled people but i do think they arn't so peaceful and loving as they claim. talking about religious people are full of hate.......when they just as soon would spit on and resort to saying all religious people need to be wiped off the planet......sounds like religious terrorism right there...with out the religion."

You never said 'some' you just said atheists and that yes does imply all of us it is as simple as that. You out right attacked all atheists on relatively baseless grounds.



Religion should not be taught at schools not just atheists say so either. It is not because people are power hungry so much as the said religion that would be taught in 'public' schools may not be shared by everyone. It is about equality not power and anyone who can't figure that out should stop eating paint chips.

If people want their kids to be enrolled in a school that teaches religion then there are several schools that do just that and parents can enroll their kids there plain and simple.

As for the other part while I do think people have to be naive to believe in a God or Gods etc I have never once said they are any less intelligent then I am. While some atheists will it is very few of us who discriminate against others for their beliefs.

You have a lot to learn about the issue and so instead of believing everything you read and hear from bias sources and do some research.

Please tell me which atheist said they want to kill all the religious people on the planet. That's utter nonsense. Think before you type.

HOLD UP NOW DAMN. i didn't say atheist want to kill religious people. THAT'S utter nonsense. i said some atheist want to take away peoples right to believe in god or what ever they want and replace it with their beliefs. which is terrorism even though it's none violent, more communist actually. which goes along with my ego and power hungry statment.....just like any religious terrorist is. but one day i do believe when atheist control the world (and they one day will) that any religious person will be delt with with death.

Nobody wants to take anybody's rights away. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean you think people shouldn't be able to do it. People just get concerned when religion starts to replace a secular government.

i understand what you mean. but some religious people get concerned when certain people attack religion basicly saying they would like a world without religion completly. for instance, that guy who wrote the book "god is not great" what's his name i think it's christapher something i might be wrong. this guy is a great speaker he's always on t.v talking about how religion should be completly destroyed. though he doesn't say it harshly or aggressivly he gets up and convinces people that he is right. i see no difference between what this guy does and some preacher saying an atheist is going to hell. if you read any other comments on other threads from me on this site, i attack religion just as much for how they judge and treat people. i think both sides are guilty of this, the atheist just do it more passivly thus the reason they are convincing more and more people each day that the atheist way is the right way and the religious way is the wrong way. of course the most passive side might be the most favored in debates and with people searching for the ansewers than the more aggresive religious side (which i also have had a few choice words for). so basicly what i'm trying to say is i think both sides have some of the same faults here.

Hutchinsen is his name. I too think the world would be better without religion and I have the right to go on TV and tell people so. What right I do not have is to expect my views to be forced on the public by the government the way a good deal of christian based lobbyists are trying so hard to do. That's the difference. I have very little respect for religion, but let me tell you, if the government ever tried to ban it? I'd be out on the streets protesting with all the religious folks.

My hat comes off to I quit everything.

It is very, very difficult for a typical human to realize the lie they have been living all their life and actually change.

It is far easier to cling to similarly deluded "friends" and mutually support each other's fantasies than it is to admit to yourself the awful truth - that there is no Santa Claus. Because if that were true, then wouldn't that make you {wrong}? Wouldn't you be {wrong} for expending so much info and spouting off mediavel slogans and forcing yourself to publicly refute sound scientific information (like - Yes, reindeer can fly)?

Pride. Simple ego protection mechanism. You don't want to shatter your fantasy world and admit to yourself what an {incorrect person} you were for believing in Santa Claus so you make yourself believe.

Most humans are too weak.

I quit everything now is strong.

KUDOS!!!

Just take a look @ 'how many people believe in God'
Why so bothered about atheist spreading their beliefs ?
I've to admit i'm quite annoyed with christian spreading their beliefs as well.
so when it comes to ' why christians spreading belief is right and atheists spreading belief is wrong', no one can ever give a satisfying answer.
Just because the population of atheists is small and therefore, atheists are wrong.
Anyway, i don't even know whats your point here.
It just happens that Atheism is actually the disbelief of theism. As simple as that.

Lets say when a guy on tv say, thank God, everyone feel perfectly fine.
but when a guy on tv say Theres no God, it challenged the beliefs of many.
But when you said Thank God, you're indirectly saying God exist.

Sorry i might not be very clear in making my point here but can you blame atheists for spreading belief when believers spread as much or even more than atheists do.

I have never met a fellow atheist who said they want to take away someones right to believe what they want. While many of us do feel the world may actually be a better place w/o religion we would never opt to take it away from people or tell them what they can and cannot believe.

You lump us in with terrorists, communists and genocidal megalomaniacs and you wonder why we get pissed off...Yeesh!


I could'nt agree more.

While Hutchinson says he doesn't religion and wished it didn't exist not once has he advocated banning religion or told people they could not believe what they wanted.



Let's make one thing clear here Atheists do not spread their beliefs as Christians and other groups do. While we will state we do not believe in a God and state our reasoning for this we don't try to recruit people and what have you like religion. I have had many religious people more specifically Christians who tell me how bad of a person I am for not believing God and going to church.

i'm not angry at atheist for spreading their beliefs. they have the right. other religious types might get upset, i don't because it's freedom of speach. i never said i didn't like it, i don't agree with what they say it's a big difference. take for instance a musical artist winning an award and they say i'd like to thank god or an athlete after a game saying that. there is always those people (atheist or just people who don't want to here about god) that's gonna say "here we go agian with god, they shouldn't be aloud to say that". just like an atheist speaker talking at a college or on t.v, there is going to be religous people protesting of course. but i will say how come christain speakers are not allowed to talk at universitys, why is that an outrage if you believe one should be able to talk about their beliefs freely? but an atheist speaker can, it seems to be the more favored belief when teaching students without letting them hear another view. what should you tell them, oh here's the atheist veiw, if you want the other views go to your local church? you said atheism is just a disbelief in theism, then why are our kids only suppose to be taught the disbelief but not the other side? same with the religious people. christian people like call themself the most "patriotic", then why won't you allow the right of freedom of speach that even an atheist has?

what i keep trying to say here is it's BOTH SIDES doing this to each other but both trying to be the victom here. BOTH SIDES trying to be the right side. BOTH SIDES trying to be the worlds hero. it ain't working and it never will unless we can agree on something. if not i see utter destruction heading for the earth, more than it already is messed up. if you are pointing the fingure at one side, better be able look and think about yourself and what you are doing to.

There is no problem in talking about your belief, and I dont see the problem with teaching kids about this belief, but the problem is that your belief does not get taught as a BELIEf which it is , instead it tries to get pushed as a FACT which is a problem.





Edit: Spelling correction.

Yes, no, people are not taught the disbelief part of it.
more often they're only taught the belief part.
Anyway i guess many of you mistaken what i meant, but its ok.
AtheistGod, what i'm trying to say is. Christians definitely spread their beliefs more than atheists do, and this fact is irrefutable. So why are the people whinning that atheists are over spreading this or that.
An example of christians more hateful than atheist. They can get very piss off when you say 'God doesn't exist', harsh things like God damn you, or something like that will come out of their mouth, maybe none of you have encountered such incidents, but at least for me.
Just simply go to youtube and search for the tittle ' door to door atheist', you'll get what i meant. Even atheists don't treat christians who preach at their door that bad, i believe.
Sorry for not making my point clear.

Chaoszerg i totally agree with you. Well i may not live in the west side but even in country where i'm living in, Singapore, we do have door to door preacher. But education system here don't teach religion.

Well, to be fair, Christians have always lumped all these things together. Usually, they throw in gays, too.

--Jaylemurph

Umm - the poor guy. His name is Christopher Hitchens.

http://www.hitchensweb.com/

See, Chris?... the gods will punish you when you pick on one of them.

Atheistic critique of religion is having an impact and that's a reason to keep pressing forward !

It's long overdue that some feel discomfort -ecspecially those that have grown cozy & used to their positions of intellectual responsibility.

Having been a Christian for about half my life and a Non-belivier/EX-christian, I have recieved more discrimination from religious people now than I did when I was a believer from atheists.

Finally someone acknowledges this.

Yes, atheism is exponentionally pushing christian religion out of existence, and with a little luck it should be as rare as Wiccan religion
in 40-50 years.

yus! will be a golden age when it would be career suicide for a politician to have any religious affiliations WHAT SO EVER!
hmmm when that happens ill enrole to vote.

If you want to see it sooner, move to Europe

But either way, I hope you live long enough to see it

atheism will indeed be the "age of aquarius" of Humanity.

I am beginning to like you (don't run lol)..because you are observant (yes thats a compliment lol)

But I will add - WE ARE ALL power driven ...like me for instance - I love money..I love making money and love to come up with new ways on how to make money grow at work...the more I earn, the more I want..and I want to get higher in business.and plan to manage the business MY WAY one day!!..so YES I too am power driven...but here's the funny part.............I also believe in God..lol..it dont stop me from being power hungry ..or a money grabber in business

You don't get anywhere in this big bad world if you sit on your backside expecting money and power to come to you...you have to work for it and work hard. and be RUTHLESS if you have to (in business only lol)


*which is another reason why i haven't posted in days...because im working on other ways in my business to strive for more money*

Money isn't everything BM, love is.....fortunately for me i love money.

I love money too ! Respecting money and greed are two different animals. Greed is not sharing and hoarding.

Love of money can be realising the fun you can have with it.

Ya can't do @#$% without money.

Everything costs money. Even in LOVE you need some money to make memories together because after a while the sex & passion will wear thin.

Then what ?

You still love each other but want to experience good times together and that takes money too.

I'm not materialistic at all (don't like Jewelry,fancy cars & stuff) but I am curious and adventurous about the world and other cultures & people..

I love to travel and do exciting things like parasailing, camping, diving etc. I dread returning to the "no vacation nation".

Or sometimes I like to go to the pub to meet friends or have a nice dinner.

And that all costs money. You just can't survive without money these days and I just don't want to "only" survive.

Money can make you feel safe & secure to a certain extent.

I don't want to be a slave -I want to really LIVE . And for that I need...........?

oh, boy, such a romantic person you are

no wonder you hate god

Since you can buy love with money, then money is indeed everything

Money can't buy love but it can make love more romantic .

It shouldn't be hard to figure out why. Use your imagination.

Now if your working too much to make that money and you are never around to spend time with your love -then that's unromantic !

Balance is the key (in everything).

Only a sad person would state such a thing and accuse someone of HATING God...wow bravo ..wonder what makes you come up with such arrogant statements??...save it I don't want to know..I KNOW I don't hate God but like most arrogant people I let them think they are right...congrats you fit that category

you can't say somebody hates god because they love money. i've been on this site for over 3 months and never heard beckys mom say she hates god. everybody loves money or likes money if your uncomfterable with the term loves money, (almost everybody) some don't want to admitt it though. i like money....with it i can buy junk food and......uuhhh.....nip

You hit the nail on the head there Godofcats......Money puts food on your table...keeps your home running...clothes on your back..and if you work hard enough and earn enough to be able to afford nice things for you and your family..giving them a better life than you once had...all the better <---part of my gospel lol a lot of hard work is fully needed to gain money

Here is something people like north forget so easily............Money is need to help the hungry poor people..thats why we have charities ...this world revolves around money...it can be used for good and unfortunately bad!!

But like it or not..you cannot survive much without it...

PS Thank you Godofcats..I was right about you...you are observant...I have never in my life said i hate God EVER!!

*can't ever imagine ever hating God*

A freethinker can also be someone who IS religious as well as a non believer...remember freethinking is what a person does to make up in their OWN minds what is right & wrong to them. least I forget that when this freethinker finds a religion that makes sense to them, and they CHOSE to follow it...thats classed as free thinking

IE - A non believer takes an interest in religion..studies it..then makes up his/her OWN mind in what it says to them <---dude thats classed as free thinking

A religious person that ponders into other ideas and decides to drop it all and just live their life and take each day as it comes...to do this is call freethinking also

WHY?...because you made that decision thats why...you chose it

A quitter that says - I give up on everything........EVERYTHING including LIFE itself..is a quitter and may as well do the beef ...harsh I know but thats what quitters do..they give up on life, they feel there is no point in it..and down themselves in self pity and sorrow...some too darn proud to seek help..so they do the beef...this is sad but it happens


BM - Only too glad not to be a quitter...because quitting is for the weak

yep, even the bible says if you don't work you won't eat......working makes money that is. but getting greedy might be a problem as it sometimes leads to illegal activitys.


also, i don't really think i'm observant i just have a really good memory which could be considered as observant i guess. sometimes i freak myself out with stuff i can remember such as things i can still remember vividly as a baby!

1. If you believe in hard word and you feel you have earned it..then you can be as greedy as you like..work harder and gain all the more for you...thats my motto..I admire self made millionaires
2. You are observant in my eyes lol..its just my opinion...it's a quality I like in people

All men are born free if one wants to be gay so be it, if they want to follow a religion so be it, if they want to climb a building and jump off so be it...as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process.

War, religion and disease have always been a major cause of unrest and death. Something i have learned from all the history classes i have taken-> As long as there are people of wealth and authority, wars will be fought and as long as there are people of poverty and ignorance a god will be obeyed.

Disease and wars will exist as long as mankind exist, gods are temporary. I believe the next major evolution of the brain (if it ever happens) will allow us to think more rationally and debunk god as we know it.