This is a thread on terrorism. John wasn't a terrorist, although he did step out his place and ranking when ordering a king on what to do. His punishment was just, until Herod's new wife wanted his head on a platter. But that's how it worked back then. Although, I wouldn't believe in the story to much, after all. It was written by a man born 30 years after all this, meaning it's based on gossip.

You example was nothing to do with terrorism, so the mistake was yours. You should work on your replies in the near future People will think you're flame baiting.

If I believed that hell thing then I would be a phony god fearing god hating christian. How's that ?

We could escape hell by it not existing in the first place (but it already does-right now-right here for alot of us , huh ?).

If he really wanted us to escape hell then he wouldn't have created it. Isn't death enough ? Not for a SADIST !

We get punished for how he made ALOT of us brats. We are impulsive,curious, adventurous,doubting , selfish,independent & free ?

Free to go straight to hell. God is not impressed with his own creation. He gave his own work a bad grade.

That's what happens when you try to rush things in 6 days. Ya get sloppy and then blame it on yer kids.

He should of put more personal time & effort into us. He never even took us out for an ice cream.

We aren't worthy.......we aren't worthy

Who loves ya, baby

Umm..He took me out for a cone just the other day. He wanted to come pick you up too, but I told Him you were probably busy, so just the two of us went. Sorry! If it's any consolation, the cone was a bit stale. He sends His love and wants to know if you're free next Thursday for bowling. *shrugs*

Well I wouldn't call rapists and killers "best persons in the world", but
yes, I think you are right, that is terrorism

but that doesn't mean it's wrong, because you seem to be personificating god, making it have human responsibilities, and human qualities.

You should think of god like you should of the sun.
Sun doesn't have responsibility NOT TO eat up solar system once it becomes a red giant.
It's just something that happens, same way, God just destroys something, or creates something else, he is not a person,
and you are just a huge bunch of molecules, no different than a rock, and have no more rights than a rock,
outside human society.

When a lion eats you, is that immoral, or wrong, or is it injustice? It's neither of those things, you are food, and lion eats you,
that is the whole philosophy of it. You can expect something that is not human (like lion or god, or sun or anything) have
human considerations towards you

So, this is neither positive or negative terrorism, it just is, it's neutral, like anything else outside of human society

If you had a god that randomly rewarded or randomly punished people it wouldn't be "wrong" because "wrong" applies to human beings.
People call it "luck"

As a "biblical" christian, I do not believe in hell. "The wages of sin is death"

I won't go into the translations and studies that prove this, but I just want to make that point clear. My worst threat to a child would be, "if you believe in jesus, and are saved, you may have eternal life. If you do not, you will eventually die and never wake up. "

Now I can't see myself making this as a threat, because that is not what it is. It is a promise of potential eternal life. However, given all the circumstances being equal, I might say to a child "this is what i believe" (In fact given that I know god to be real it is more than just a belief, but I would not necessarily get into that distinction with the child)

What I must then ask myself is, if another person has a genuine belief that sin will send you to hell, do they not have a logical and moral duty to their own self consistency, to explain this to their loved ones?

It is the duty of other people to debate those beliefs, logic and possible consequences. Usually this is what happens and the children"grow out" of their parent's beliefs as they are exposed to many others.

I strongly believe, given a lifetime of evidence, that what we do, and how we treat people, comes directly back to us, in a complex but inescapable set of consequences. I was taught this by my parents. I have found it to be true. If I had kids I would teach it to my kids as self evidentiary truth. If someone else wished to dispute this they could do so . I would be happier if they waited until the kids were no longer my responsibilty, for education and moral guidance, but if the issue arose at a younger age I would deal with it then.

So, is it a moral evil for someone to teach a genuinely held belief to their kids, particularly if it does not promote harm to anyone else, just because we do not personally accept that belief system?

I would put it this way...

A terrorist is saying he wants to physically and mentally maim, harm, or kill you.

Someone threatening hellfire is saying they want you to be physically, mentally, and "spiritually", maimed and harmed, forever, endlessly, with not the slightest chance of regress or solitude.

Sounds like terrorism to me. It certainly is done with the intent to instill terror within the victim.



Even any ordinary human child can tell you that two wrongs do not make a right. Eternal torture is definitely a wrong, as it were. Do we torture criminals who tortured their victims? No. They either spend life in jail or receive the death penalty. Punishment should never overstep the boundary of revenge, it is a preventative measure to keep other potential victims safe. How exactly does choosing not to believe in the Bible constitute a crime? At the very least possible, it can only harm you.. and last I heard, harming yourself was not a crime.. however strange you'd have to be to do it.

Please !! God has many human characteristics-LOVE<REVENGE>JEALOUSY>EGO>TEMPER>HATE etc.
So he has responsibilities if he is OH SO EMOTIONAL !

Is the SUN loving, jealous, hateful ,forgiving,unforgiving too ?

In ancient Egypt yes

No. The threat of hell is not a terrorist act. It's an act of love to reveal it. It is real. But it's your choice completely. If you agree, go with it, if you don't agree, ignore it. So you can hate me all you want, but everyone should know about this. Your choice. We all get to decide for ourselves.

Let's play devil's advocate here, what if I told you that if you don't accept MY God you will burn in hell for eternity?

No. The threat of hell is not a terrorist act. It's an act of love to reveal it. It is real. But it's your choice completely. If you agree, go with it, if you don't agree, ignore it. So you can hate me all you want, but everyone should know about this. Your choice. We all get to decide for ourselves. Praise ALLAH !

A man died and was taken to his place of eternal torment by the devil.

As he passed sulphurous pits and shrieking sinners, he saw a man he recognized as a lawyer snuggling up to a beautiful woman.

"That's unfair!" he cried. "I have to roast for all eternity, and that lawyer gets to spend it with a beautiful woman."

"Shut up", barked the devil, jabbing the man with his pitchfork.

"Who are you to question that woman's punishment?"