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Lilly

Oct 5 2007, 11:35 AM

Ok, most of us are familiar with the ETH (extraterrestrial hypothesis) as an explanation for UFOs. However, there are other hypotheses that may be promising as well. Take a look here (click link). This gentleman's hypothesis is that UFOs have more to do with the processes of our own Earth, not so much anything from 'out there' (except misidentifications of celestial events).

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Dr. Pursinger, a professor of psychology at Sudbury's Laurentian University, has studied more than 6,000 sighting reports going back to the 18th century.

...He claims most UFO sightings follow small earth tremors. These earth tremors cause electromagnetic fields and depending on the size of the tremor and the intensity of the field, it can lead to large luminosities (radiant, bright lights) in the air. These luminosities cause alterations in TV and radio reception, melt fuse boxes and even cause power outages.

...According to Pursinger, when people get too close to these luminosities, they experience a tingling sensation, paralysis and in some cases may be knocked unconscious. In the context of an outdoor environment, says Pursinger, such events may lead many to believe that they've had a paranormal encounter

Opinions? To be honest here, I'd say this hypothesis has as quite a bit going for it...and it's much closer to home!

REBEL

Oct 5 2007, 01:09 PM

Hey Lilly with respect i don't completely buy it.
Theres just been way too many different kinds of unusual sitings by so many over the decades to explain it away as just simply earth tremors?

What Pursinger is stating and i'll quote it...

''solid scientific explanation for UFO sightings. He claims most UFO sightings follow small earth tremors. These earth tremors cause electromagnetic fields and depending on the size of the tremor and the intensity of the field, it can lead to large luminosities (radiant, bright lights) in the air.''

I'm no scientist by a long shot lol! so correct me if i'm wrong here, but i get the impression that he's making it out/sound like its the explanation to most if not all unusual & unexplained aerial phenomenon?

Again i'm just sitt'n on the fence in regards to this phenomenon (kind of a two-way open minded skeptic if ya like) lol!

Lilly

Oct 5 2007, 11:24 PM

QUOTE(REBEL @ Oct 5 2007, 01:09 PM)

I'm no scientist by a long shot lol! so correct me if i'm wrong here, but i get the impression that he's making it out/sound like its the explanation to most if not all unusual & unexplained aerial phenomenon?

Again i'm just sitt'n on the fence in regards to this phenomenon (kind of a two-way open minded skeptic if ya like) lol!

Well, I gathered that Dr. Pursinger was putting forth this hypothesis as an explanation for some unknown ariel phenomena. I don't think there's a 'one explanation fits all' kind of thing as far as UFOs (or UAPs) are concerned....just my personal opinion.

ShaunZero

Oct 5 2007, 11:31 PM

Hmm. Has he proven that earth tremors actually cause light phenomena to occur in our skies? I know he called it a hypothesis, but I'm just wondering what it has going for it. Any facts what-so-ever behind it?

RabidCat

Oct 5 2007, 11:55 PM

QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Oct 5 2007, 04:31 PM)

No solid evidence of this.

Having lived nearly 37 years in a very active earthquake zone and having been interested in these phenomena most of that time, my inclination is to think that this guy is pulling rabbits out of hats.

The (very) few incidents I've witnessed were definitely not associated with earth activity. Two of those can be explained by hard science, although one of those I'd really like to know about the craft, and it was definitely a craft, not some nonsensical swamp gas or other explanation that is more ridiculous than some "psychological" garbage. The thing flew over my house every Saturday night at 10:30 PM for six months, and I'd really like to have him explain that as anything other than a UFO (however, I think it was a classified craft, not ET; I'd just like to know how it worked, being an engineer).

Another was a satellite avoidance system of some sort. It appeared that two satellites were on a collision course (I thought there would be a great altitude difference). One of the satellites did a 45 turn then another 45 turn to resume its course. At the time, this was very weird, but the other person there witnessed the same thing. Subsequent research (on my part) indicated that there are satellites capable of evasive maneuvers. Another human invention.

But there are others I cannot explain, nor would I even consider some foolish psychological explanation. I have a lot of hours in the air, I am an engineer, I have much training in observational techniques, and whosoever might wish to dispute those things I've seen by stating I've been seeing things needs some counseling himself.

And, yes, I am adamant about this. There are sightings, many of them, that cannot be explained by this sort of fringe science, which is exactly what it is, and make no mistake about that.

Lilly

Oct 5 2007, 11:56 PM

QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Oct 5 2007, 11:31 PM)

No, it's certainly not factual (at this time anyway). However, there is some evidence for this sort of light phenomena...see link here. It's just another interesting hypothesis that needs to be considered.

skyeagle409

Oct 6 2007, 03:00 PM

QUOTE(Lilly @ Oct 5 2007, 11:35 AM)

But, that does nothing to explain the thousands of UFO reports similar to this one.

The Flight Of Japan Airlines Flight 1628

Check out the video here.

http://www.ufoarea.com/events_jal1628.html

SENIOR FAA OFFICIAL ON JAPAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 1628

http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/demo/

JAPAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 1628

http://www.nicap.org/reports/jal1628_hall.htm

http://www.nicap.org/reports/jal1628-2.htm

http://www.ufologie.net/htm/japan86.htm

chaoszerg

Oct 6 2007, 03:06 PM

QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 6 2007, 04:00 PM)

But, that does nothing to explain the thousands of UFO reports

As Lilly said....

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I don't think there's a 'one explanation fits all' kind of thing as far as UFOs (or UAPs) are concerned.

skyeagle409

Oct 6 2007, 03:16 PM

QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Oct 6 2007, 03:06 PM)

As Lilly said....

But, when military and commercial aircrews report a gigantic metallic, saucer-shaped flying object the size of a ship flying in close proximity of their aircraft, which then zooms off in a climb at hypersonic speeds within seconds, where do we go from there?

Alex01

Oct 6 2007, 03:22 PM

I really don't think it is a very good explanation BUT it is much better than most I have heard around here, it is scientifically proven that alterations in Earth's electromagnetic field or Earth's atmospheric structure can somehow cause certain anomalies.

One example is aurora borealis.

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Auroras are now known to be caused by the collision of charged particles (ions (+) (-) ) found in the magnetosphere, with atoms in the Earth's upper atmosphere (at altitudes above 80 km). These particles travel into space with speeds of 300 to 1200 kilometers per second. A cloud of these particles is called plasma, and a stream of plasma coming from the sun is called solar wind. These charged particles are typically energized to levels between 1 and 15 keV and, as they collide with atoms of gases in the atmosphere, the atoms become excited. Shortly afterwards, the atoms emit their gained energy as light (see Fluorescence). Light emitted by the Aurora tends to be dominated by emissions from atomic oxygen, resulting in a greenish glow (at a wavelength of 557.7 nm) and — especially at lower energy levels and at higher altitudes — the dark-red glow (at 630.0 nm of wavelength). Both of these represent forbidden transitions of electrons of atomic oxygen that, in absence of newer collisions, persist for a long time and account for the slow brightening and fading (0.5-1 s) of auroral rays. Many other colors — especially those emitted by atomic and molecular nitrogen (blue and purple, respectively)[1] — can also be observed. These, however, vary much faster and reveal the true dynamic nature of auroras.

As well as visible light, aurorae emit infrared (NIR and IR) and ultraviolet (UV) rays as well as X-rays (e.g., as observed by the Polar spacecraft). While the visible light emissions of aurorae can easily be seen on Earth, the UV and X-ray emissions are best seen from space, as the Earth's atmosphere tends to absorb and attenuate these emissions.

Auroras themselves are shaped by Earth's magnetic field, and that's the reason their curtain like appearance.

BishopRyan

Oct 6 2007, 03:35 PM

I'd be curious to see this hypothesis tested to see if these lights can be replicated.

chaoszerg

Oct 6 2007, 03:43 PM

QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Oct 6 2007, 04:16 PM)

where do we go from there?

Weather balloon.....

Just joking.

lost_shaman

Oct 6 2007, 05:30 PM

In Hessdalen where UAP are being studied there is no tectonic activity. I've seen a UAP in North Texas, like Hessdalen, North Texas has no tectonic activity.

Cinders

Oct 6 2007, 11:50 PM

I've heard of this term explaining of the certain UFOs seen over active Volcanoes and around earthquakes etc. And it does make sense.. but not in all cases.

I live in an area where I can SEE St Helens - thankfully from a safe distance (I even watched her blow her top back in 1980... and since then only a few farts now and then)

I've lived here all my life and on very rare occasions I've felt an earthquake now three times in the last 15 years - a rolling rumble or a kick. But of the few times that I have seen / and or taped some strange UFOs (one dating back to 1992) there was absolutely NO volcanic or earthquake activity on or around the times I / we saw these UFOs - and they seemed to move with intelligence... And recently several have been seen during the daylight hours my way. Seems most earth lights (or Earthquake lights ) are seen in the evening. However some are seen during the day as well.
Speaking of Earthlights, I found this rather interesting: Earthlights on Peru's Earthquake?.

Oh and a bit OT but back in Dec 2006, I uploaded this bit of video called St Helens Then and Recent 12-19-2006
Sort of funny when you compare her from back in 1980 to what she did in Dec 2006.

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