This is the underwater formation off Yonaguni-Jima. It's unquestionably a natural formation.

You may conmtinue to believe in the ancient city off Cuba if you wish, for the time being anyway.

it's knot just beast that was carved from the bedrock yes there are three others but it's that of man and that man was ,is ,and will allway's be our father GOD and it was shown forth by his son that we were made in his image

maybe M.A.D is typing it in french and is using an online translator to convert it into gibberish english and he posts it here or there is something seriously wrong with him!

What bugs me the most is most of those "New age" writers do not give us any credit for "self development". It all came from "somewhere else" whether it be Europe, Atlantis, or Outer Space.

Harte, Why is it that you think the Yonaguni Structures to be a natural formation?

Harte, Why is it that you think the Yonaguni Structures to be a natural formation?
I dont think so. You can refer to the pics below, and anbody can associate the straight lines and smooth surfaces of the constructs to be of man made origin.

Why, there wads this ancient sea port found off the cost in Tamil Nadu in India, near Mahabalipuram, as a result of the Tsunami. They are also under the water, so why dont u classifyt them also to be a natural formation?

Harte, this is where i or anyone would take offence. Do we need your permission 'for the time being ,anway' to continue believing in anything, be it the cuban underwater city or the man on the moon? Its actually an individual choice and perspective to believe in anything and that doesnt require any permission from anyone. Sorry, If i rub u the wrong way, couldn't help it, but respond!

CS --

There's the Giant's Causeway in Ireland. It's completely natural but looks regular.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...-in-ireland.jpg

--Jaylemurph

and that place was and is and will allways be on cape breton island.

what ever you call it ,its the first

here we go again the island is the evadents there is good resond for putting a park pretty much over the highland you know to keep the people out who want to dig,god man they even moved whole community's the island itself was annexed by the british because were to roddy ,to many rum drinkers you know

and most of you were sent to Louisiana from what I understand.
Lapiche

Edgar Cayce the Sleeping Prophet said that Atlantis would be discovered off Bimini Island. tlantic Ocena, off Florida.

His readings on Atlantis mention that it was a technologically advanced civilization, beyond out current science by his description.

Difficult to be objective about Cayce, when so many of his readings resulted in cures and are spot on today concerning nutrition.

He was poorly educated, fundamentalist Christian without the painful and boring bits, and had no notion whatever about such weird and wonderful things as Karma and Reincarnation, when a question asked of him elicited an answer that referred to a previous incarnation. This caused him huge difficulties, thinking that his hitherto innocuous readings on health were being invaded by non-kosher spirits or worse.

There is a foundation devoted to studying his readings and how to apply them for current curative purposes.

He lifted his entire Atlantis description, as well as his reincarnation con from another fraud, Madame Blavatsky and her Theosophist Society.
None of Cayce's readings resulted in cures. Cayce said nothing more about nutrition than the nutritionists of his day were saying.

Harte

CS --

There's the Giant's Causeway in Ireland. It's completely natural but looks regular.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...-in-ireland.jpg

--Jaylemurph

You mean like people who right now live near rivers that flood just about every year, or people who live in places that have been hit by Tornados over and over? How about islands that have been devastated by hurricanes numerous times? We still live in dangerous places and we think we are so technologically advanced.

hey is it not possible that the story of Atlantis is just a story... you now it was wrote for entrainment?

...such as?

Any updates in the past three years or has this still to be proven Atlantis?

Can't say, haven't followed the news lately. I know it wasn't proven not to be Atlantis, either.

...oh well, most of the rest of the world hasn't been "proven not to be Atlantis", either.
As you can't prove a negative, that's not a persuasive argument.

'Most of the rest of the world' hasn't been considered to be Atlantis, either. And a negative can be proven.

Many things haven't been proven to exist, but they do. Leave your attitude outside this discussion, calm down.

Do it, then.

--Jaylemurph

I can prove that I am not Mickey Mouse.

I can prove that you are not the lost city of atlantis.

Therefore a negative CAN be proven.

As I said, /do/ one of those things instead of saying "I can do it".

Please see this.

--Jaylemurph

1. Mickey Mouse is an animated character, I am not an animated character (Since erasers don't delete my existence), therefore I am not Mickey Mouse.


Umm, saying you're not animated character doesn't /prove/ it.


2. The lost city of Atlantis is a city. You are not a city. Therefore you are not the lost city of Atlantis.

You see, the mistake you have made is assuming that saying that something can be proven to not be somethign else is the same as proving a negative. It is easy to prove that Atlantis is not in one place or another on the world. It is easy to prove that Atlantis does not exist. That is not proving a negative - I could rephrase it to say that "I can prove that Atlantis is a fictional construct". That phrasing make it into proving a positive, since it is phrased as one.

1. Mickey Mouse is an animated character, I am not an animated character (Since erasers don't delete my existence), therefore I am not Mickey Mouse.

2. The lost city of Atlantis is a city. You are not a city. Therefore you are not the lost city of Atlantis.

You see, the mistake you have made is assuming that saying that something can be proven to not be somethign else is the same as proving a negative.

It isn't a mistake. You're eliding one step. To prove something is not something else, you must first, de facto, prove it is not the first thing, which is proving a negative. Then there is a second step in affirming it is something else. In your example No. 1, for instance, you haven't actually proved you're not an animated character, you just sort of say it; in No. 2 you haven't proved I'm not a city.

Conversely, you could prove the opposite of the given statement, which would be proving a positive, and then go on to prove the two things aren't mutually exclusive. But that's also a two-step process.

This sort of process is used all the time by pseudo-scientists and pseudo-historians to "prove" their hum-buggery, but it ultimate involves hoodwinking the reader and trusting to their credibility. Ot ignorance.

--Jaylemurph

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/leumurian1.html
The Illumaniti American Organization, The Leumurian Fellowship, says that an extraterrestrial race from Venus, known as the Kumaras, were the leaders of the Lemurian civilisation. The Fellowship says the Kumaras created a Mystery School to initiate chosen people into the advanced esoteric knowledge. It was structured with 13 schools (levels of initiation), each on more advanced then the other. Each has to go through all the schools of initiation. After passing the 13th , one is allowed to go on to teach the knowledge of the Brotherhood of the Snake or Serpent.

Atlantis and Lemuria existed for hundreds of thousands of years and Atlantas broke up in staghes over a long period before the final destruction. Both cultures expanded across the world with their priests and 'royal' bloodlines or 'Dragon Kings...or as some people call 'Shepherd Kings', founding colonies in all parts of the globe spreading the Serpent Stories. Sacred sites were placed on the vortex poins on the global energy grid. This is a web of force lines, known as ley lines or meridians, which encircle or interpenetrate the palnet. When these lines cross it creates a spiralling vortex of energy and the mor lines that cross, the bigger the vortex. The grid is geometrical and the vortex points are in geometrical relationship to each other.



Practically all of the gods of Greece are of a northern origin, originating in Lemuria toward the end of the Third Race after its physical evolution was completed. The Fourth Race is, with Hesiod, that of the heroes who fell before Thebes, or under the walls of Troy. The Trojan War, therefore, although an historical event of some 6,000 years ago, was also a symbol of other events which took place upon the continent of Atlantis. The Atlanteans developed from a nucleus of northern Lemurian men, centered, roughly speaking, toward a point of land which is now in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. The early Atlanteans were three-eyed, having two in front and a third eye at the back of the head. The Greeks preserved the record of this race in a statue of the three-eyed Zeus, discovered in the Acropolis of Argos and believed to be the oldest statue ever found in Greece. See Red Haired Mummies of Egypt

At the height of their civilization the Atlanteans were giants both in body and in intellect, and were greater scientists than those of the present day. For one thing, they had aeroplanes which were operated by solar force. Homer's vessels "going without sails or oars" refers to them, as does the myth of Icarus, who was warned by his father Daedalus to fly

...nor low, nor high,
If low, thy plumes may flag the ocean's spray,
If high, the sun may dart his fiery ray.



Unfortunately for their own future, the Atlanteans turned their knowledge to negative and material l uses. Many modern practices such as vivisection, blood transfusion, the transplanting of animal glands to human bodies -- even the craze for personal wealth and power --
In direct defiace of nature, The Atlanteans used their knowledge for warfare, which resulted in the catastrophic submergence of their continent which was felt around the word as can be evidenced by the great deluge stories around the world in all cultures.



The Greeks preserved the tradition of the sinking of Atlantis in the myth of Deucalion. The legend says that after the fourth race had passed its apex of development, a change occurred in men. Modesty, truth and honor fled, and in their place came crime, fraud, cunning and the wicked love of gain. Seeing the condition into which the earth had fallen, Jupiter determined to destroy it and form a new land where men would have fresh opportunities to live a virtuous life. So the waters came and covered the land, leaving only Mount Olympus above the waves. There Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha found shelter, and from them sprang the new, fifth race. * Christians have the same story found in Genesis in the Accounts of Noah and the Flood.

As much as I'd like to watch Wookie squirm in proving negatives, I'll just point out that this has strayed somewhat off-topic.
Perhaps Wookie has some other, slightly more compelling reasons for Atlantis not be fiction?
--Jaylemurph

Please prove that you are not an animated character.

Also, please prove that Mickey Mouse is an animated character.
Please prove that Atlantis is a city. Please prove that a city cannot post on this website. Please prove that Jaylemurph is not in fact the City of Jaylemurph.
You nonmathematical types need to stop using the word "proof."

I must have said this a thousand times here at U-M.

There is NO proof in the real world. Only evidence for, evidence against or no evidence either way.

That is all there is. Anything else you might claim is just a bunch of fluff.

Harte

As much as I'd like to watch Wookie squirm in proving negatives, I'll just point out that this has strayed somewhat off-topic.
Perhaps Wookie has some other, slightly more compelling reasons for Atlantis not be fiction?
--Jaylemurph

Wookie --

Like I said, I'm not going to engage in a discussion of logic with you any more because I don't think it's appropriate for several reasons (not the least of which is your lack of knowledge on the subject). If you want to know what I think about Atlantis, you can look around the several threads on this forum.

--Jaylemurph