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Live Free or Die
This is a multipart question.

If absolute proof was confirmed, they landed, decided to stay...they were a peaceful highly technological race of ET...

Would you see them as superior to humans? Not just technologically, but "all knowing"....

Lets say they prove many of our own theories wrong (gravity, time travel, space travel, life in general) and show us the "correct" way to do many things.

Given there advances in technologies beyond our comprehension would we have no choice to believe everything they say? What if they "correct" us on our religious beliefs? Would the world disban religion?

Would we still have trust in our fellow humans to be elected as world leaders knowing that compared to the new ET life they have little knowledge of anything...

just some thoughts to ponder...
northwest
I believe them to be deeply involved in history of our earthly religions, so I would consider them holy
Live Free or Die
QUOTE(northwest @ Oct 8 2007, 04:58 PM) *
I believe them to be deeply involved in history of our earthly religions, so I would consider them holy


And if they told you that they were NOT holy, just another form of life like many others that may have been confused as "holy beings" by early humans....what then?
BishopRyan
Thats exactly why alien information isn't disclosed. If they came down and dispelled the idiology of religion it would be like kicking the ladder out from underneath the purposes behind what keeps most people honest and good. I've always been of the belief that religion is only in place to teach us right from wrong and to give people a fear of being bad and a purpose for being better. Take that away and you'll a helluva lot more people going nuts. Imagine the reaction people would have if they found out with certainty that we are nothing more than highly advanced ants and when we die...we die and nothing more.
DigitalSentinal
The very first thing they would see from me is a smile. I wouldn't even want to talk with them at first. I'd just listen at first.
northwest
QUOTE(Ron Paul 2008 @ Oct 8 2007, 09:02 PM) *
And if they told you that they were NOT holy, just another form of life like many others that may have been confused as "holy beings" by early humans....what then?


then nothing

But I don't think they would say that. They have never refuted any part of any religion so far, only confirmed it
northwest
QUOTE(BishopRyan @ Oct 8 2007, 09:10 PM) *
Imagine the reaction people would have if they found out with certainty that we are nothing more than highly advanced ants and when we die...we die and nothing more.


and why do you think they would tell us that.

They have been quote over and over saying that they their bodies are vessels of higher intelligence and that they can switch bodies, and that we are no different
Pandora7321
I think it would be awesome. If they were truly peaceful and had only good intentions, I would definitely listen to what they had to teach us. Obviously, if they've mastered space travel, they know more than us. Why not give them a chance?

As far as religion, if you believe in the bible and you believe God created everything, why would you not believe he created ALL LIFE? Is there a passage in the bible that says he created ONLY us? I've always wondered why believing in alien life contradicts believing in the bible for some.
Cradle of Fish
QUOTE(DigitalSentinal @ Oct 8 2007, 09:11 PM) *
I'd just listen at first.


Yep, if they have the technology to come thousands of light years to visit us, we'd better shut up and listen, since they clearly know more than us.
BishopRyan
QUOTE(northwest @ Oct 8 2007, 04:17 PM) *
and why do you think they would tell us that.

They have been quote over and over saying that they their bodies are vessels of higher intelligence and that they can switch bodies, and that we are no different

I never said they would. I just commented on the logic behind keeping this kind of stuff behind closed doors. Its a fear of them saying that, I'm not saying they said it.
northwest
QUOTE(BishopRyan @ Oct 8 2007, 09:50 PM) *
I never said they would. I just commented on the logic behind keeping this kind of stuff behind closed doors. Its a fear of them saying that, I'm not saying they said it.


I don't think its fear of saying that, I think its more fear of saying ANYTHING that would change theological perspective

Even if they confirmed everything in the Bible and said they were angels or something, that would still be a catastrophe for some societies.
raoulduke666
why do i see this thread becoming another religious post
northwest
QUOTE(raoulduke666 @ Oct 8 2007, 09:55 PM) *
why do i see this thread becoming another religious post



ok I'll step out
Cinders
QUOTE(Ron Paul 2008 @ Oct 8 2007, 01:56 PM) *
This is a multipart question.

If absolute proof was confirmed, they landed, decided to stay...they were a peaceful highly technological race of ET...

I'd have to research and verify this so-called proof first (we wouldn't want another LIE as we had with the IRAQ WAR - right?)

Would you see them as superior to humans? Not just technologically, but "all knowing"....

Not necessarily superior... but then again looking at how the "human race" runs this world, I might see them as refreshing!

Lets say they prove many of our own theories wrong (gravity, time travel, space travel, life in general) and show us the "correct" way to do many things.

I'd think cool (and it's about time someone showed us!) but I'd also ask "WHAT DO THEY WANT IN RETURN for showing this to us?"

Given there advances in technologies beyond our comprehension would we have no choice to believe everything they say? What if they "correct" us on our religious beliefs? Would the world disban religion?

Sometimes I think Religion is as dangerous as a wild man holding a loaded gun.... (sometimes I wish Religion and guns were banned from the world )

Would we still have trust in our fellow humans to be elected as world leaders knowing that compared to the new ET life they have little knowledge of anything...

I've pretty much lost faith / trust in many of our so-called religious nut job World leaders...so I doubt my views on this would change much anyway.

just some thoughts to ponder...

Yea, it's kind of nice to get away from the "real' problems we have on earth that we never seem to solve... and hope that someone "out there" could actually rescue us. But the older I get the more I realize.. ET's won't interfere.. just as God will not interfere. We are on our own.

JC Denton
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Given there advances in technologies beyond our comprehension would we have no choice to believe everything they say?


I guess there wouldn't be any problem with it if we indeed could confirm what they have discovered (which, in that case, wouldn't be beyond our comprehension). But why would we believe everything they told us? As long as they provide proof that humans can confirm, then sure, but in my view, never should we just accept anything just because they say so.

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What if they "correct" us on our religious beliefs? Would the world disban religion?


Again, if they have evidence. But religion has always proven to continue no matter what, so I doubt it will disappear let alone be disbanded. Many would probably think these aliens were evil and from hell. But if they are indeed peaceful, they would probably understand that such a transition wouldn't occur overnight.

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Would we still have trust in our fellow humans to be elected as world leaders knowing that compared to the new ET life they have little knowledge of anything...


That depends on if they contribute to society, and if people put their trust in them. The question is also if people in power would let them be elected - knowing that they wouldn't have the power they have now.

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And if they told you that they were NOT holy, just another form of life like many others that may have been confused as "holy beings" by early humans....what then?


That would be interesting - why communicate with us now, and not back then? If they did, humans would be all around the galaxy by now, right? I think something like that would be the mindset of many people. Besides, can they prove they were what we called angels and demons? I don't think people would just take their word for it.

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If they came down and dispelled the idiology of religion it would be like kicking the ladder out from underneath the purposes behind what keeps most people honest and good.


How would a spaceship and a few alien bodies prove anything?

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I've always been of the belief that religion is only in place to teach us right from wrong and to give people a fear of being bad and a purpose for being better.


Yet, aren't most scientists atheists? Is it not due to their skepticism and work that we have the society we now have?

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Take that away and you'll a helluva lot more people going nuts.


Take it away and people will invent something new, no matter how much proof you've got.
Live Free or Die
QUOTE(JC Denton @ Oct 8 2007, 06:16 PM) *
That depends on if they contribute to society, and if people put their trust in them. The question is also if people in power would let them be elected - knowing that they wouldn't have the power they have now.


And after we have lost our faith in humans to run things, wouldn't we the people empower them to run things for us? With a civilization "light years" ahead of our own could the current human "powers that be" even stop them from taking control?

Imagine if our current world leaders denied them the right to run our worlds governments and because the human race has lost so much faith in human leaders to run an honest, helpful, moral society.....would the citizens of the world essentially become allies with the ET life who promises to bring peace and prosperity to the world?

Would we stand up and fight against our own people whom we no longer trust and turn our back on humanity....or would we rally against the ET Life regardless of how much better they could make life here on earth?

Just thoughts...
JC Denton
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And after we have lost our faith in humans to run things, wouldn't we the people empower them to run things for us? With a civilization "light years" ahead of our own could the current human "powers that be" even stop them from taking control?


Well, if it is the people's will, then it will happen - not much anyone can do there (well, except the aliens). The aliens would in any case take over the media and institute their own police force if the rulers of the world don't give it to them. It wouldn't necessary mean war and slaughter, though, but if force would be necessary we would be seeing a more controlled society before it gets better.

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Imagine if our current world leaders denied them the right to run our worlds governments and because the human race has lost so much faith in human leaders to run an honest, helpful, moral society.....would the citizens of the world essentially become allies with the ET life who promises to bring peace and prosperity to the world?


They might. After all, some, if not many, people would believe that the aliens really could run the world (precisely because they are aliens), some would think it is a big conspiracy to surrender our world, and so on. They would first and foremost have to prove that the society they have in mind works, and the best way to do that is to have some areas adopt their system.

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Would we stand up and fight against our own people whom we no longer trust and turn our back on humanity....or would we rally against the ET Life regardless of how much better they could make life here on earth?


People have been fighting their own rulers of centuries for all kinds of ideologies and views. If the people of the world saw that the aliens' system really worked, then probably many people would defend the aliens. Others, seeing this as the eradication of human culture - the human "way of life" - would probably start resistance groups and fight them, without the concern of the superiority of the aliens. Some are so convinced of their beliefs being right that they would stop at nothing.

The best way for the aliens to stop such groups would probably be to abduct them and start some form of "re-education" program or something. Like I said, the only viable way I know of (and the only relatively fast way) would be to create a more controlled society - stop all the negative things - before opening up society to their kind of way. Either that, or we live side by side with them, with them sharing technology with us, and humanity "naturally" developing itself into a space-species - a procedure that will probably take hundreds if not thousands of years.
REBEL
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This is a multipart question.
Cool, i'm multi tasked.

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If absolute proof was confirmed, they landed, decided to stay...they were a peaceful highly technological race of ET...
Would you see them as superior to humans? Not just technologically, but "all knowing"....
That depends. Could they do half the things we can do?

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Lets say they prove many of our own theories wrong (gravity, time travel, space travel, life in general) and show us the "correct" way to do many things.
Given there advances in technologies beyond our comprehension would we have no choice to believe everything they say?
If they talk in layman's terms, yea why not.


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What if they "correct" us on our religious beliefs? Would the world disban religion?
I already have.

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Would we still have trust in our fellow humans to be elected as world leaders knowing that compared to the new ET life they have little knowledge of anything...
If they cut my tax to a bare minimum, yea why not i'll vote for them.




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Edit: It didn't turn out the best but i'll get there...i hope...
BrucePrime
Wow...amazing how many people would just bow down to the aliens.
Joe013
most scientists aren't in fact atheist. thats a very generalist statement.


and i think theyd get nuked in a heartbeat if they landed. personally.
Pandora7321
QUOTE(BrucePrime @ Oct 9 2007, 11:31 AM) *
Wow...amazing how many people would just bow down to the aliens.


And what would you propose we do, Bruce? I doubt it would be like War of the Worlds or Independence Day. I'm sure our only recourse would be nukes and that would most likely destroy us as well.

Shall we call in Superman? thumbsup.gif
aztek
religion=propaganda
dest_titor1
QUOTE(Ron Paul 2008 @ Oct 8 2007, 08:56 PM) *
This is a multipart question.

If absolute proof was confirmed, they landed, decided to stay...they were a peaceful highly technological race of ET...

Would you see them as superior to humans? Not just technologically, but "all knowing"....

Lets say they prove many of our own theories wrong (gravity, time travel, space travel, life in general) and show us the "correct" way to do many things.

Given there advances in technologies beyond our comprehension would we have no choice to believe everything they say? What if they "correct" us on our religious beliefs? Would the world disban religion?

Would we still have trust in our fellow humans to be elected as world leaders knowing that compared to the new ET life they have little knowledge of anything...

just some thoughts to ponder...



you cannot correct a riligieon , why would you think another alien race is better? if alien came down and started saying my riliggeon was a lie i would kill them, how can you disprove gravity we are under its force right now!.

i would really ignore whatever they had to say.
DigitalSentinal
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you cannot correct a riligieon


Must...resist...
MID
QUOTE(Ron Paul 2008 @ Oct 8 2007, 04:56 PM) *
This is a multipart question.If absolute proof was confirmed, they landed, decided to stay...they were a peaceful highly technological race of ET...Would you see them as superior to humans? Not just technologically, but "all knowing"....Lets say they prove many of our own theories wrong (gravity, time travel, space travel, life in general) and show us the "correct" way to do many things.Given there advances in technologies beyond our comprehension would we have no choice to believe everything they say? Would we still have trust in our fellow humans to be elected as world leaders knowing that compared to the new ET life they have little knowledge of anything...just some thoughts to ponder...
Hmmm...interesting ideas.If they were here, and it was common knowledge, I'd consider them highly advanced technologically because they'd have to be. When you say "all knowing" I get the impression of some sort of messiah worship syndrome happening.I think that would infect a certain percentage of the human populus. Not me.They might be able to translate for us a better way to do things, and some scientific ideas that we haven't yet come upon. I don't think that scientists would believe anything. They'd experiment based upon what they'd learned and would verify these things.
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What if they "correct" us on our religious beliefs? Would the world disban religion?
Would they actually have anything to say about religious beliefs? Hmmmm....I doubt that. But even if they did, the answer would be an unequivocal no. The world of men will not disband their religious beliefs, no matter what sort of enlightened knowledge is put forth.I rather think that we'd see new religious fervor developing, not over some revelations of knowledge brought from beyond, but by the mere presence of extraterrestrial beings! It's human nature to need to believe in many cultures. I think it would be a sociatal nightmare, honestly!
QUOTE(dest_titor1 @ Oct 9 2007, 05:58 PM) *
you cannot correct a riligieon , why would you think another alien race is better? if alien came down and started saying my riliggeon was a lie i would kill them, how can you disprove gravity we are under its force right now!.i would really ignore whatever they had to say.
See what I mean?This guy would kill them!
Pandora7321
QUOTE(DigitalSentinal @ Oct 9 2007, 06:14 PM) *
Must...resist...


HAHAHAHAHAAAA, but you can correct spelling.
psychicstuff
Their version of George Bush would probably end world hunger for us.
Wookietim
QUOTE(BishopRyan @ Oct 8 2007, 05:10 PM) *
Thats exactly why alien information isn't disclosed. If they came down and dispelled the idiology of religion it would be like kicking the ladder out from underneath the purposes behind what keeps most people honest and good. I've always been of the belief that religion is only in place to teach us right from wrong and to give people a fear of being bad and a purpose for being better. Take that away and you'll a helluva lot more people going nuts. Imagine the reaction people would have if they found out with certainty that we are nothing more than highly advanced ants and when we die...we die and nothing more.


Not to get into a religious debate here, but the idea that religion is the only thing that teaches right from wrong is completely wrong. I am an atheist. I was raised an atheist. and I have never murdered, have always tried to treat those around me nicely and have a cat that seems to like me.... Unlike the catholic church (for instance), which led millions of people to their death during the crusades, has a book that encourages stoning of people for slight offenses, and is used as a base of power for people such as Pres Bush to launch unfounded wars...
DigitalSentinal
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Their version of George Bush would probably end world hunger for us.


Yeah - by killing us.
BrucePrime
QUOTE(Pandora2173 @ Oct 9 2007, 09:45 PM) *
And what would you propose we do, Bruce? I doubt it would be like War of the Worlds or Independence Day. I'm sure our only recourse would be nukes and that would most likely destroy us as well.

Shall we call in Superman? thumbsup.gif


I'm not even talking about hostile aliens coming down and taking over; I'm talking about the people who would bow down before any sort of alien that landed, and insist they take over for us.

And if you think about it, the threat of nukes would be a great deterrant against aliens. If aliens were coming to Earth, they are coming here for a reason; a irradiated Earth would not do them much good.

And Superman is an alien; so maybe I'm being a bit hypocritical sitting here in my Superman stretch t-shirt. I look super-hot, BTW. original.gif
DigitalSentinal
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I'm not even talking about hostile aliens coming down and taking over; I'm talking about the people who would bow down before any sort of alien that landed, and insist they take over for us.


In the presence of someone presumably equipped with extreme intellect, highly advanced technology, an understanding of one's place and role within the greater scheme of things that is light years ahead of my own, and perhaps is even hundreds of years older than myself, I must admit I would most likely feel insecure or humbled in some way. I would most likely not bow to such a person or Being, but I would certainly shut up and try to learn a few things. It would be better than opening my yapper and looking like an idiot.
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