I always heard that the 'real' vapires were psychic vampires. That they didnt' have fangs and didn't feed on blood. Which is it supposed to be?

And this happened last year at school. I started toying with the idea of me being a psychic vampire because I can kinda vocus my energy to any point in my body (Or at least that's how it feels) It can make me have better accuracy with punching, throwing, or thrusting a knife. But I began to wonder if my body isn't pushing energy at the desired point, but trying to gather it there. So one day at school I did it to a friend of mine (Trust me, I felt kinda bad about it) I face the palm of my hand at him under the lunch table and did my thing. Nothing happened immedietly. But later I soon found out the he had lost conciousness about an hour later in class. I made me really think that this kind of thing is real.

And another thing I can do is a little whistle that you can't hear unless you are, like, right next to me. But almost every time I do it I notice that bats begin to circle above.

You think that you're a Psychic... Vampire. Well. That just can't be right. Let's go through the reasons one-by-one, shall we?

First, PSI isn't real. Let me repeat that. *Clears throat* PSI isn't real. If it was real, someone would've taken up Jjbreen on his $1,000+ Challenge by now. Trust me. The only thing the 'Believers' have given us is excuse after excuse. When someone calls them on it, they bolt. Feel free to prove me wrong on either (or both!) of these counts.

Secondly, the whole 'Accuracy' thing is something straight off of DBZ. ... Or some other anime that I can't think of at the moment. If you concentrate, then yes; your 'accuracy' will improve - Common sense tells us this much. Try looking away from the other guy during a fight - you'll get your rear handed to you. Common sense for the win.

Thirdly, the idea of leeching energy off of another human being, aside from being morally wrong, is just... dumb, for lack of better term. As soon as you unlock the Power Drain Skill (900 xp to go before Level 23!), let us know. Actually, try it during class on a teacher. In fact, do it to everyone you meet throughout the day. If it works, you should be more energetic than a toddler hyped up on Sugar sticks and everyone else should be... well... not. According to your post, they should be unconscious, actually.

Trust me, if that were to work, it'd be all over the news. So. Do that. Just remember - when you're internationally famous, don't forget all of us little people!

Good luck!

Well, as for the accuracy thing, I taught my friend (The same one that blacked out) how to do it. He'd gotten some cheep sword and was waking at trees and such. I told him how to hit perfectly. And in one try he did it. And no, there weren't any of those slow practice swings and he didn't have the sword at the ready. Just a thought....

I think you're just imagining things. Psychic vampires? I really don't think so.

A blind guy can hit a tree if he knows where it is. Come on, Aw. Is this the best you can do?

I'm not competing here. Just saying it how it is. And it wasn't just a tree. It was a knot on a small branch above him that was about the size of a pin head.

Hi, analog warrior.

Many small wild animals respond to whistling if they are not too busy, and you are not otherwise threatening. I have no experience with bats, but similar sized birds and mammals routinely acknowledge a variety of sounds with high-frequency components. I spend a lot of time in the woods.

As to the other things, athletes use any number of visualizations to improve performance. I am not a sports trainer nor coach, so I do not know why it works, but it is a common practice. I don't see anything paranormal in it.

As to the business with your palm, at the risk of being lumped in with the sceptics-with-a-k crowd here, the schema of your report is "I did something unusual and then something unusual happened sometime later."

There is a lot of that in life, sorry.

Also, I thought the idea of psychic vampire is that you, the vampire, are supposed to benefit from the transfer of <invisible mobile stuff>. So, how do you think that you improved your situation at the expense of your friend?

Well there's no proof to back up your claim that it was you that cause him to black out. People black out all the time, and I'd be almost willing to bet what I own to say it's not cause of a vampire. Did he go to the hospital and find out what happened?

So you have Bats flying around you when you whistle? Which means you're a vampire?

I don't know where you're going with this ... but afterschool sports is better than being out in the woods throwing knives and punches at who knows what. Nolan Ryan ... one of the best pitchers in Major League baseball ... he had pinpoint accuracy ... he wasnt a vampire. It's called practice.

It's not that I don't believe ... it's just ... well ... you read it and tell me if someone yo never knew came and posted this that you wouldnt be the least bit skeptical???



Video games and anime are taking over everyone's lives.

"As soon as you unlock the Power Drain Skill (900 xp to go before Level 23!)" -



I don't know why you said that ... but skeptic with a K is an appropriate and accepted spelling, if that's what you're referring to.

sKeptic

I have to agree w/the rest of the posters here .... You've proved nothing that is pretty normal for just about anyone.

Focus and control is NOT psi - it's focus and control. That's all you did. You cleared you mind - focused on the goal, controlled your actions and DID IT!

Your friend passed out. Could be for any number of reasons. Unless one actually did a medical check up - you are handing out 100% PURE SPECULATION and ASSUMPTION that 'you caused it'.

He easily could have passed out because -- low surgar levels, low blood preasure, semi bad food, passing an area where the janitor might of used germicide to clean something up, to not enough water intake to any number of very normal reasons .....

As for the bats, my Uncle did that when we were kids visiting his farm. That's nothing 'big' .... anyone can do it. Sorry - we did as kids after he showed us.

Sorry - but before you JUMP to these extreme sci-fi ideas ... DO SOME ACTUAL OBJECTIVE RESEARCH! .... . o O (Please)

To me, a "psychic vampire" isn't all that mysterious, but rather a way of saying something in an exciting way that is fairly common. It is a person that is capable of draining the energy of others for their own benefit, unconsciously or not.

They are people who have Borderline Personality Disorder or similar attitudes, love to cause misery and drama and soak up all the attention (i.e. energy) that goes along with it. They tend to flourish in the midst of intense drama among friends and family. Others examples are those with substance abuse or depression issues. They tend to grab all the energy of the people around them until a situation is magnified with them at the center of it all.

And anyone that has dealt with such a person will say, "It is so draining being around him/her." You feel tired after interacting with such people. Sometimes there will be a headache, nausea, fatigue or exhaustion, mental disorientation, and accompanying tension/heightened emotions when in the presence of said person. These types of symptoms are noted in the spouses and loved ones of those afflicted as I've described above, but these of course are very strong cases.

Anybody going throughout their day experiences mood fluxuations. Say you feel down. A friend calls, gives you positive energy in the form of support and feedback. You feel better and the friend suffers no ill consquences for having been there for you. However, a "psychic vampire" would tend to continue to be down and/or destructive, sapping all of your energy until you feel worse than they do. And your recourse is to do whatever this person needs you to do in order to salvage yourself and end contact for that moment. But just like the fictional works, once a person like this knows they can manipulate you, they continue to do so through established contact and can sometimes wreck the lives of others they "feed off of."

Linguistics are quite interesting when you think of the descriptions we use in everyday language.

To the OP, I can't say whether or not you have such an ability. I tend to think not based on what you've stated here. However, I would suggest that you not do such things even in fake experimentation towards friends or loved ones. Why on earth would you direct potentially harmful energy towards someone that is your friend? In my eyes it makes no difference whether something would happen or not. The intention itself is not a good one. Most folks attempt to haress and direct energy towards inanimate objects.

Chew on that for a while.

Actually I have a friend that is a "Shrink", that deals w/patients that think they are Psi-Vamps. It is a seriously growing "Trend" among teens and 20's. Sad but true.

Here is the actual dynamics he found happening.

Psi-Vamp comes into room. People that have been told, "I'm a Psi-Vamp" and feed on your emotions..." some actually believe this! They then feel tired by the power of suggestion. The "Psi-Vamp" starts to 'feel good', incorrectly thinking it's from the other person's energy. No, from their own emotions releasing endorphines and such.... nothing more nothing less.

Now what about those people that leave us drained? Does that really happen? Yes! But not because they are "feeding off our emotions", because they are emotionally annoying on one level or another and we get physcially TIRED of them - and/or - they are so hyper they actually wear us out because of their hyperness. But it has nothing to do w/"PSI" and a lot to do w/just Pyschology.

This is not a growing trend. It is actually quite old. What you refer to are fluctuations within the youth as to their acknowledgment/understanding of the myth. Psychic vampires and vampires in general are a phenomenon that was spoken of even in ancient times.

What you describe is quite different from what I stated above. In your scenerio, this terminology is introduced into an environment to create a tone from which its particpants act accordingly. In what I stated, these people either do not believe or have never even heard the terms psychic vampire to have a tone. Yet the effects are there.

Secondly, your last paragraph leaves out one important factor: how the person who manipulates feels after having done so. You describe only the effects of those around this person. Now I don't know about you, but I've met plenty of folks who are very negative and tend to gain strength by destroying any good feelings anyone around them has. Yin and Yang are a pair. You can't have a reaction of getting physically tired from the effects of a person without them also having a reciprocal effect, which is the essence of what a "psychic vampire" entails: a parasitic relationship.

Thirdly, I mentioned linguistics in my post. Often I've found that what psychology or another science describes is also said in religious or metaphysical terminology. It says the exact same thing, but the only difference is the language barrier. Such as "demonic possession" which can be described as a splintered faction of the ego that has buried in the subconscious and grows due to its repression, showing itself in fits and bursts of odd/sometimes dangerous behaviors. Deferent terminology to describe the same thing.

PSI is derived from the Greek alphabet and comes from the root word psyche, correct? Just as psychology is the study of the mind? I believe the two speak on the same things: one the realm of the known mental sphere and the other the unknown. Can't have one without the other.

First off I was not giving an indepth study -- just a brief over-view.

I guess Tann, I would want to know your source and if any serious OBJECTIVE studies were done in the dynamic you presented? Or is it just an 'observation "fact"" -- because it "fit" the stereo type?

Yes the power of words can play into this! I do not doubt that for one moment ... but that doesn't mean the "Psi-Vamp" feed off the person, they just dupped the person by the "POWER OF SUGGESTION"...... this is Psychology, not Psychic Powers.....

I've seen a lot of Psi-Vamp groups come and go over the past number of years. Yes it's NOT new --- but it HAS become more and more a fad w/the the growing pop-culture of Goth's. Also are you aware of colors of rooms that can depress and create tired. Was this at play? Was the color of dress of the individual at play? Yes styles of clothing and colors can create moods of lightness and joy and/or tired and depression in various individuals. Psi-Vamps do know how to dress according, I know a few of them!

So the bottom line - What OBJECTIVE study/studies have you seen done to actually understand the emotional, physical and such dynamics that were at play?

As usual I agree with most of the people that have replied here. I think we only have to look at your wording here to see that this is nothing special. Mind you I probably shouldnt point this out because other people will perhaps learn to word their posts in another way and they will not be so easy to pick apart.

Look at your own words. "Better accuracy", "Nothing happened immediately", "But almost every time". So we have nothing concrete here. Better accuracy but nothing super human it seems. Nothing happen immediately but over an hour had passed with no telling what happened during that hour. No mention of if your friend was checked out and given a clear bill of health. Almost every time sounds like conveniently exaggerated your hits and forgetting your misses. Quite common for a few people here all in all.

I dont see anything special here. Like others have stated concentration does wonders for accuracy. Look at any martial art. Focus and concentration benefits you greatly. Be rather well versed in the art of knife throwing, with some other things mixed in, you will run into this weird feeling now and then. When you nail everything and that knife sinks into the bullseye you will feel it. Its kind of hard to describe but when you do not think about it, your form is perfect, your release is perfect, your aim is on the money and you just do everything right you will know it. Do not confuse focus, practice, concentration, luck or genuine skill as something psi. Same things could be said for your friend and his aim with the sword. It could come right down to luck.

Lastly if you want to read my lengthy opinion on all types of "vampires" including psi ones do a search around here. I have discussed this at length and do not wish to type it all out again.....

Kevin A.

Though I can do a cut and paste. The following is something, mind you I edited out some errors here, I typed out in response to Bluemoods who was/is one of our more vocal resident vampires. I believe he has moved on though. Regardless you can look above to see Jj opinions and ideas about what can cause the mood changes with "psi vampires". I think these are solid ideas and something worth thinking about. The following is an idea of mine. Basically a very simple, very basic primal urge. Having power over someone.

"Anyways we have ventured into an even fuzzier area here now. When you start talking about prana and that we get into the realm of Psi vampires. If I typed out a long response as to why blood drinkers cant really exist exactly how do you think I feel about Psi vampires? Again there is no proof only belief. When someone starts talking about Psi vampires Im often reminded of that Kids in the Hall sketch I think it is where the guy is sitting on the park bench and squishing peoples heads between his fingers as they go about there lives. This may not apply to willing donors but more of those people that seem to get off by sitting in a public place and sucking the energy from other people. This is nothing more than an ego trip. One person asserting dominance over another even if its in their head. You arent really sapping energy from someone. You are getting off on the idea that you are taking something from someone and theres nothing they can do about it. Thats it. Now this doesnt apply to willing donors. At least not totally. It still getting energy that science cant prove exists from someone willing to give away something science cant prove exists. Oh and before I end this and go comment on others comments the scenario you always present is this.

You know how you have a conversation with that one person and you always walk away from them tired and down? Well they probably have latent psi vamp powers and are using them without knowing. Bull. In my experiance the only time I walk away from someone tired and down is if that person is annoying, mean, egotistical or just plain unlikable and I have to play nice with them. Given the chance to tell one of these people exactly what I think I walk away feeling much better. If more people were honest to each other every day we would be much better off. Call a spade and spade and move on."

The sentence in question is self-explanatory: It states my wish not to be grouped in with UM sceptics, despite our likely agreement on how some of the issues discussed in the original post ought to be interpreted.

"Sceptics-with-a-k" accurately describes the group I had in mind.

I called attention in passing to a foible, and made no claim that the spelling was in error.

As was I.

See below.

Again, you and I are referring to two different scenerios. If a person comes to a group and says, "I am a Psychic vamp" then the people in the situation will act accordingly. I already stated this, so I am agreeing with you in this case. However, the other cases where a person drains energy from others to the benefit of themselves happens all the time without 1) anybody believing in a psychic vamp or 2) having even heard the term.
Furthermore, you state that it is "psychology" not "psychic powers." The fact of that matter is that our knowledge of the mind is primative at best. Modern psychology is only now coming to conclusions that have already been made by devout Buddhists monks a long, long time ago. Studying their texts on the mechanisms of the mind is very intriguing, so much so that I've heard of a number of psychologists making pilgrimages to India and Napal to gain a better understanding. Care to take a guess at how many psychologists and medical persons I have come in contact with since I began fellowshipping with the Tibetans here in NYC? Quite a few, my friend.
Plenty of expert psychologists will tell you that SSRIs and other medications work, but they are not entirely sure of the reasons why or how reactions to them can vary from person to person. And this isn't just limited to psychology either, but the entire medical field. The doctors my husband works with (and he works with a staff comprised of all doctors ) often joke about such things. Like how if a patient gets told that the symptoms they are experiencing are viral, that is usually doctor code for "We don't know."

I do not think this is as much of a growing fad as you seem to think it is. It was certainly all the rage back in the late 80s in many circles, huge in the 60s prior to that (an underground reaction to the free love movement). I could on, but I digress. As for the wearing of colors, of course, I know the psychological impact of colors. However, you keep speaking about people who are both gothic and state they are psychic vampires. I am talking about people who have these types of effects on folks without being in either category.

I have perused studies regarding the psychological impact of drug addicts, alcoholics, and severe depressives have on their families. My husband worked in medical research for a large hospital along these lines in addition to mental ramifications of prescribed AIDS medications. The terms "psychic vampire," "leech" and other comparisons to parasites were frequent when loved ones described the overall effect of the troubled person as was the statement saying that said person "fed off" them. And these were everyday people, not ones involved in gothic culture. Myth often has its origins in the real.

In addition, my husband conducted some of these interviews with the patients and has contributed to a few published studies. While he is not a psychologist, he has a degree in the subject and works at a university with people are either doctors or psychologists. Plus he has access to the medical research databases which give you the actual papers written rather than the soundbyte spin that shows up on television and in magazines.

On the mythical end, I have been studying vampires and their myths for a long time. When you trace vampire myths back to their origins in several countries, such a Romania or parts of Africa for example, one will encounter a few in there that aren't so supernatural regarding odd personas who altered the dynamic of the villages they were in and were manipulative personalities. So the bulk of my studies have been researching religion, mythology and symbology while looking at possible connections to modern sciences. Knowledge of physics is quite useful when speaking with the Buddhists.

Please elaborate on these particular skeptics.

What makes you so special that you'd be different? You're views and skepticism is a different kind? More right? More wrong?

Don't leave us hanging and wondering who you don't wish to be associated with.

I would be interested in seeing what you said about blood drinkers and if you were referring to ones with mystical powers or actual ones. I've met quite a few blood-drinkers as well as those people who are known as "vampire-lifestylers" that chose that path because they are afflicted with conditions that make them extremely sensitive to light.

Question: if science today is moving in a direction where it appears that all of reality is comprised of empty space and manifestations of energy, then why is this such an impossibility? Neither person in your scenerio is a solid being. Solidity of form is an illusion; energy exchange happens all the time. For example, I am exchanging charged electrons with this chair I'm sitting in and with the keyboard I'm typing on, a transfer of energy from the seemingly animate to the inanimate (but this chair and keyboard are in motion just as I am).
Get enough friction and you can even see the static electricity that is generated between objects or people. We can also generate enough energy to smash apart molecules and study their explosion patterns at CERN. Yet stating that there can be a higher frequency of energy exchange among people is somehow in the realm of craziness?

I agree that society as a whole may benefit from being more honest. However, calling "a spade a spade" sometimes has zero effect on certain types of personalities. Certain individuals have the ability to make others feel as if they are the unbalanced ones, which is how these types of parasitic relationships continue. I say this as someone who has experience with Borderline Personality and Bipolar disorder. "Psychic Vampire" is very, very apt for these types of people.

See here is the thing ...> How is it validated that indeed Person A (Psi-Vamp) "drains the energy from other to benefit themselves"? I mean, IF (?) I am reading this correctly we are saying - the Psi-Vamp is 'sucking' the energy out of another person and feeding themselves w/this other persons energy. Correct?

Other than hear-say ---> How is this validated? What medical and/or other tests have been done to actually verify this 'sucking of energy' and it being taken in by the other? You do realize just how silly this sounds, yes???

Here would be a very good test to validate this and/or totally debunk it:

I would suggest that a blind testing could be done first. This would be pretty simple:
** No Visual contact can be made! The self proclaimed "Psi Vamp" is blinded w/eye blinders as is the volunteer.
** No words can be exchanged at all! In fact they are brought into the room one then the other.
** The "Vamp" is told the in an ear piece, the person is in front of you 2 - 4 or so feet away. Now .. take their energy!
There would be heart monitors on each and if possible EEG (Brain wave machines).
Then also the Vamp could be told that a volunteer is in front of him/her and there is NONE! And see what happens.

With the above blind test ... at least then you have some credible evidence that this "psi vampirism" is real and not just some form of "Power of Suggestion".

It's like the National Geographic on YouTube or Google that was checking out "chi/psi" pushes w/out being touched. All the students believed that their "Master" (Teacher) could do this .. so when he did, they did go flying back. But when the National Geo. team volunteered, because they didn't believe it - guess what ... NOTHING HAPPENED! This shocked the students and yes the Master and boy did the excuses start to fly ... It was so funny!! But it proved the point of the Power of Suggestion.

See you have to remove any and all possiblities of "Power of Suggestion" -- Even just looks can 'suggest'. You have to remove any and all possible imput between the too ... Blinded and NO WORDS would give pretty clear validation of the reality or it would DEBUNK it pretty quick!

We are having a communication problem.
Again: I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU ABOUT SELF-PROCLAIMED PSYCHIC VAMPS. I AGREE ABOUT THE POWER OF SUGGESTION.

However:

"Draining another person's energy" is synonymous with causing disturbance with another individual. Two people are friends. This is a relationship. In order to be healthy, it must be on fairly equal terms. If it is not, then it becomes unbalanced and parasitic. One friend "leeches" off the other, draining energy, which manifests itself as assets, time, mental and physical health. Take the phrase "he drives his mother crazy with his antics" for example describes where a mother is driven into neuroses by a wayward son. The wayward son thrives on the negativity he creates in the mother; it continues to validate and sustain him. Therefore, he drains her energy to the benefit of himself. It takes two to tango in a relationship or interaction of any kind.

The point of dispute is whether the individual is conscious of doing these things to other people.

I also stated in that post:



Do you think it is coincidence that people who interact with such negative personalities describe them in terms of parasites?

To understand why Jj and others have the opinions they have on this topic, you would have to read a few hundred threads that have been tossed around here. This is far from the first on blood as well as psi vampires. The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence to support the drinking of blood as having any positive effect on any humans, or an evidence that someone can consciously drain "energy" from a willing or un-willing individual.

As far as the other aspects you describe...yes, my kids suck the freakin life out of me quite often! They don't seem any stronger for it either.

OK, fair enough ... I 'get it' really I do ......

Now in general to the thread topic and NOT specific to you .... >>

I also still submit my Test as for proof of those who would argue that no - these "psi vamps" are real. The afore mentioned test would end the debate once and for all ...

I also think we should be careful of terms that we use. "This person drained me of my energy." No the person did NOT drain you ... U allowed yourself to get frustrated and emo and wore yourself out. There is a big difference. No one can 'drain you' (like a blood sucking vamp). You allow it by 'giving into' the emotions of the moment. Just like being a parent / g'parent. My kids and g'daughter can wear me out! But that is my doing, not theirs.

Case In Point: - not directed at you Tann ... but the thread in general.
A good few months ago, I was on another site chat room. Was invited by some on-line friends. It was dealing w/Psi & Empath and they thought that I would interested. Yes, I was, in that I knew these people and they also knew where I was coming from.

After being in the chat for a good few minutes I noticed the mood of the room was changing to 'moody'. I was curious as to why, so I asked. Oh, (Name) came in. He's a "Psi Vamp" and really drains the room!" Then the P-V dude asked me how I was feeling. For the most part I told him, I'm feeling pretty ok. This surprised him and he said, You don't even feel like you are starting to get tired? ... Answer: No. After awhile he left, he was frustrated w/me! LAMO ...

After he left I asked the room, "Why do you allow him to cause an effect in your own emotions?" -- Answer: "Because he's a Psi-Vamp. I told them, "no, you allow your own emotions to get frustrated and such when he comes in. Do not do this. Turn on up beat music and such in your rooms when he comes in. Also do NOT focus on him. Be polite and such, but do NOT allow him to be a "Psi-Vamp". Smile at him and joke, make light fun and such."

Upon returning to the chat a few weeks later, the room was totally different! It was light, alive and totally different. Even w/the Psi Vamp there. Even he was light and in a good mood and joining in the fun.

The chat mod pm'd w/this: Jj - thanks! What you said a few weeks back changed the room! Even (Name aka Psi Vamp) is totally different! At first he was frustrated and left earlier then normal for a good number of days but slowly started to stay longer and longer again. He asked what happened to the room? It's totally different. One rather blunt dude stated, "we've decided to ignore you "psi-vamp" wanna bee and were not going to 'play the game any more'. He asked if it had to do w/the new guy, Jj? Yes. He figured as much. (LOL!)...."

This is what gave me the idea of the Test in my prior post as well. It would clearly document and prove or more likely Debunk the whole "Psi-Vamp" cult.

Tan,

If you want my opinion on blood drinkers look for my first few posts here at UM. A self proclaimed blood drinker is who drug me out of lurking and made me become vocal here. My opinions are not to hard to find on that topic.

Kevin A.

All,

One thing no one is mentioning here about these psi vampires, emotional parasites or anything other way you want to define them is that there is no evidence for them. I know I know. Well science is constantly discovering things, reality is an illusion of energy and all that stuff. Great, but there still is no evidence here.

Look at it this way. Everything we as humans are and are capable of can be found in other creatures that inhabit this planet. Tool making can be found in other creatures. Memory, instinct and the ability to learn can be found in other creatures. Exactly where on this planet is it that mother nature shows us that feeding off invisible energy is possible? Has this ever been observed in another creature on this planet? Anything even remotely close?

I know some people here subscribe to a spiritual belief system of one sort or another. You can believe that human beings are some higher being above mere animals or whatever but it is belief and that is it. This is not a creation versus evolution debate but my point is mother nature gives us examples of what is possible for an animal to do. Where is this creature that can feed off the invisible energy of another animal.

Also people talk about these emotional leeches. These emotion parasites. You know what you do with a parasite? You cut it off and kill it. Stop letting it feed off you and leave it for dead. This goes right back to what I said, call a spade a spade. We feel bad after dealing with these certain people because we feel we have to deal with them. Tell them to STFU. Tell them to grow up and stop complaining. Tell them what you really think. Viola, no more emotional leech and I can even say you will feel better after "cutting them off". We feel down because we allow our selves to feel that way either out of sympathy or frustration. Nothing to do with someone sapping our invisible energy.

Kevin A.

All I can say is, I heard that a long time ago, artists and actors and such were considered pretty low on the social ladder. Not respectable, in some circles. Low income, and too bohemian.

It seems there is a bit of truth to that. Give them free reign, and look what they proliferate in this world- video games that distort reality and sell junk ideas.

There is a respectable law school (university) I know of that includes courses in "game technology" for a related degree. Very popular, and makes money for the school.

And, the results are???

Why not make more useful software, with more useful outcomes?

Clearly, Gene, you would be as unhappy as I would be if we were lumped together.

Nevertheless, you and I generally agree regarding the original post of this thread.

There is nothing more for either of us to say to each other here.

Speaking of that original post, while I have enjoyed the discussion about only-too-real emotional parasites and the apparent consensus about them across the sceptic-believer divide, that seems not to have been analog warrior's intention in 'zapping' his friend.

To all appearances, analog warrior was just messing around with something which, if it had been real, would have been ill-advised and irresponsible to do. But there is no reason to think that anything happened that was his(?) fault.

I was curious, if analog warrior is still following the discussion, whether he feels better about his specific situation than when he first posted.

hmmm...

While this is neither here nor there, you do realize that the items that proliferate this world the most are usually mass-produced by large companies that have little interest in actual art? Our world runs after dollar signs. That is how you can have a society where people with barely any talent can be mega-stars and the ones that are actually gifted are still struggling to get by. Furthermore, some of worst junk ideas I ever came across were peddled at universities, corporate offices, and newsrooms.

Seems like you have a dislike for video games. Like all things in this world, video games themselves are neutral...a medium that we can use to our benefit. I don't know about you but I came home from work many days frustrated from the corporate world and enjoyed blowing stuff up on Grand Theft Auto. Escapism has its uses.

You have good points. I was just trying to respond to why the OP thinks what he does. It sounds like he's not drawing the line between reality and fantasy. It was just an easy target for me to blame games, but who knows?
There is a lot of good that comes out of game development, though. Just not always to my taste.

I'm more into music for my spare time. But, you're also right about the effects that reality has, or directs toward people. A little fantasy can be a good thing, though I don't indulge.

My only thought is that he needs to find some other, more constructive interest. It's time he starts to outgrow conjouring tricks, and learn it won't fix anything. There's more interesting ways to view life and friends. And, how to succeed in school, too.

I agree w/the above 100% ... nicely stated LB ... nicely stated!!

Just so everyone knows.... I don't own any video games. And I am very into music as well. And I graduated.
And honestly, eight bits, I stopped reading when everyone began to argue amongst themselves.

why are people so quick to dismiss it as being a load of b******s?

if you believe in psi, then draining psi energy isnt that hard to believe. i wouldnt really call it "psi-vampirism" but it covers it i suppose.

people go on about it not being real because no proof has ben shown, just because you can't see proof or explanation for something does not make it real. and dont give me the "just because we believe it doesnt make it real" line either, because that works both ways. i read in another topic that if humans were blind, but cud see to a certain degree, like bats for example, by using sound, we wouldnt know that colours exist, they would still be tehre, but wouldnt have the senses to detect them.

maybe we havent yet developed the senses to detect something in relation psi, who knows.

c'mon people anything can happen in this day and age at least keep an open mind for possibilities.

SDD.

Because it is BS .. that's why. It's a pop-culture cult. That has no credible or valid evidence that it's even remotely real except by the power of suggestion..... Nothing more and a whole lot less.... Psi has nothing to do w/it at all --- Psychology does.

No it can't. Thats wishful thinking.

Why don't you try it again and see if it can work a second time?

Because it is unethical to "try" things on human beings without their consent. If the friend consents, and it works, then (1) the experimenter has harmed someone, and (2) it would seem to have worked on account of the suggestion inherent in the subject's knowledge of the goal of the trial.

Nothing demonstrated and someone hurt, versus an unethical act OR nothing happens at all anyway.

No win.

The only part of this logic I do agree w/is part II - If something is said and agreed upon, then it would like be the power of suggestion.

Part I is based on pure assumption that this is "real" -- which there simply is no evidence that this is. Based on my own local experimentation w/some in this pop-cult is --- it only works by the power of suggestion and then it isn't something that causes an actual interaction between the two "energy draining" on giving and one taking. One convienced himself this is real and creates an internal 'draining' while the 'vamp', the only thing he 'feeds' off is his own ego ...

So is there any harm that will be done if he does this w/a person totally unaware? NO. I can also speak first hand, because I participated in this local test. Nothing changed w/in me at all. His power of suggestion didn't work. The "Psi-Vamp" was getting frustrated too. So I said, well then touch me and see if that will help. He touched my upper shoulder and neck, by my suggestion. NADA .. nothing happened. So then I suggested he touch my chest over my heart. NADA. Then I suggested he touch my head. NADA. When it was done he was cusing up a storm - because...>>> NOTHING HAPPENED!

This isn't real except ONLY in the minds of the people... pure and simple. Only in their minds. It is what I call a 100% SUBJECTIVE REALITY .

So you can see the images of hell when you push on you're eye's with the palm of you're hands, You hear noises in you're ear, You can predict TV and now you think you are a Psychic vampire.

Thanks for the exegesis, Jerry. I was enumerating the logical possibilities.

It is a generally accepted procedure for analyzing a question, and implies no commitment to the truth or falsehood of the propositions being examined.

There are differences among a false proposition, a proposition believed to be false, and a logically impossible proposition.

And chaoszerg, I take your point, but the OP was more reasonable than that.

He is not the first to connect the dots between doing an intentionally harmful act and subsequent actual harm. Whether or not there really was a causal connection between the act and the harm, it speaks well of the poster to be concerned about the possibility, and I sense remorse for even wishing to endanger his friend.