Some people here would have you believe that the official version of 9/11 and the collpase of the wtc is somehow adequate.They boldy parrot talking points and lump all people in the truth movement into one catagory.No matter how aggressively you try to enlighten these people that the govt has agents pretending to be legitamate truth seekers spreading disinfo it falls on deaf ears but worse they continue to parrot these planted discrepencies as well as associating them with the entire movement using it catalyst to discredit the real truth.There are certain incriminating FACTS that these people jump through hoops to avoid or dismiss entirely as coincidence but to much the dismay and inconvienence of these people paint a vivid and certain picture that is plain to see.heres the analysis,it is conclusive...9/11 was a carefully orchestrated false flag event that required inside perpetrators to not only pull it off but maintain the ensuing cover-up.

Incriminating Facts

*the alledged perp osama bin laden was a known cia asset named "tim osmand" that lived in false church,Va for a while,whose family has intimate business associations with the bushes-link

*on the morning of 9/11 rumsfeld announced that the pentagon was missing 2.4 Trillion dollars and there happened to be defense dept drills involving norad and hijacked commercial aircraft striking the wtc-link

*the pentagon,the seat of our nations defense,was targeted 45 minutes after the second attack on the wtc,by an amatuer pilot whose feat of navigating across several states without the planes navigational instruments only to perform a manuever that included a 330degree bank while descending 10,000ft at 500mph in seven minutes leveling off and striking the pentagon without scraping the lawn which also eliminated all doubt as to the nature of the event of which,when notified of the event,bush's secret service detail did nothing for 20 minutes while bush was visiting with children at a school even though the visit was announced days in advance-link

*the event is used to trigger the invasion of afghanistan,even though the majority of the alledged hijackers were from saudi arabia,at which point haliburton installs a naturalgas pipeline worth an est 8 Trillion dollars that the taliban opposed using our troops as nothing more than a security force for their energy plunder scam...just observe the position of our bases in relation to the pipeline for verification-link

*the investigation of 9/11 was then thwarted by gulianni who had the epa incorrectly render the site safe in order to illegally get rid of evidence by shipping the steel to china under careful gaurd even though gulianni is an ex da prosecutor who knows the value of evidence and THEN politicians invloved with the investigation limitations and certain journalists pointing out the already obvious anomalies were targeted with ANTHRAX that originated from a us base and nothing has been done to date and no one has been reprimanded-steel-anthrax

*insider trading in the form of put options requiring foreknowledge was traced to former cia director "buzzy" krongaurd and nothing has been done

*evidence supplied by the Head of Security of the WTC on network television indicating that the FBI floors (the 22nd, 23rd and 24th floors) of the North Tower -- 70 floors below the crashbombing impact -- had been devestated and reduced to debris that this same Head of Security himself dug through to get to trapped persons (whom he saved). But it was on these floors that the entire accumulation of evidence and investigation briefs on two highly important cases were being stored: 1) the case against Mobil Oil and James Giffen on illegal oil swaps between Iran and Kazakhstan (at that time before a New York grand jury as described in great detail by Seymore Hersh in the July 9 New Yorker magazine); and, even more important, the evidence in the investigation of gold price fixing stemming from charges brought against Alan Greenspan, Morgan & Comapy, Goldman Sachs. link

*all the gold that was stored in the wtc is missing and unaccounted for

*the ensuing cover-up requires the highest level of authority in order to orchestrate as well as complete control of mainstream media which includes the complete ignorance of physics,facts and eyewitness testimony as well as the use of propaganda in the form of cnn and the bbc reporting the collapse of bldg 7 while it was standing right behind them proving they were reading from a script

Crucial Eye Witness Testimony

*"Shortly after 9 o'clock ... [Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place, and then an hour after the first hit - the first crash that took place - he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact he thinks may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device - he thinks, he speculates - was probably planted in the building. ... But the bottom line is that he, Albert Turi, said that he probably lost a great many men in those secondary explosions, and he said that there were literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people in those towers when the explosions took place.9/11 NBC News broadcast

*"...then somebody said that they saw an airliner go into one of those towers. Then, an hour later than that we had that big explosion from much, much lower down and I don't know what caused that."VIDEO

*"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."VIDEO

*"We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses."VIDEO

*"We really never even got that close to the building. The explosion blew and it knocked everybody over"VIDEO

*"we gotta get back!...seven is exploding!"VIDEO

*"There's a bomb in the building - start clearing out"..."We got a secondary device in the building"video

*Fireman1: Floor by floor it started popping out...
Fireman2: It was almost like they had detonators…
Fireman1: Yeah, detonators…
Fireman2: …planted to take down the building. boom-boom-boom-boom-boom….
Fireman1: All the way down. I was watching it and running..VIDEO

VIDEO



Evidence of Demolition Charges In WTC 2

SHAPED CHARGES

The 911 North Tower Demolition Explained

Laws of Physics

Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?

Scientific analysis on WTC steel debris undertaken by BYU Professor Steven Jones proves that the twin towers were demolished by means of incendiary devices

VIDEO of EXPERT VERIFICATION

Taking The Red Pill by Torin Wolf:Iraqi Veteran and Demolition Expert

Good work laying some of the facts out in the open for people to see, Sunofone. I would be interested in any further information you could direct me to on the first point: -


I understand the CIA link with Osama Bin Laden via the Pakistani ISI and Mujahideen respectively, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. I have read about Operation Gladio and believe through using a similar technique, Al Qaeda would be at least in part a CIA tool. I also know about the Bin Laden business dealings with Bush's Arbusto Oil company. Of course we know the FBI were told to 'back off' investigations on the Bin Ladens before 9/11 and members of the Bin Laden family were flown out of the US shortly after 9/11 even though airspace was shut down. Then there was the Battle of Tora Bora in 2001, where Osama Bin Laden himself would have been captured had not US Central Command 'unfortunately' declined to send troops that CIA agents on the ground requested.

What I would really like to know, is more about the Tim Osman/Osama Bin Laden link.

of course there is also the tesimony of Barry Jennings WTC survivor- Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority.-- amazing testimonial!

Statements of Barry Jennings:
as well as the images taken the day of the collpapse that demonstrate clear evidence of shaped charges

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

That's the first time I've heard that that image was taken on the day of the collapse (even the link doesn't say that). Where did you get that info from?

just looking at those beams it looks like explosives were used.....

Perhaps you could tell us exactly what we should be looking for as signs of explosive use.

i'm just a laymen...it looks like the metal is blown up.

I must admit I don't see the sign of shaped charges or explosives in general at all either. And we don't really know when that picture was taken.

Best,
Badeskov

And then the testimony of f Barry Jennings, Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority. What exactly is his background since he has such expertise in recognizing the effects and telltale signs of shaped charges? I bet he has never witnessed a demolition before up close and personal to make that judgment. By all means of respect, but this is another of these so called whistle blowers that have been pulled out of the magic hat because they have nice sounding titles, thus indicating credibility where none whatsoever is found.

Honestly, if there was really factual evidence behind this conspiracy, we'd have real experts come forth and not these made up "credible witnesses".



To echo ifisurvive, who says it was taken on the day of the collapse, except you? I would say that the air looks surprisingly clear, given that the fire was still raging and billowing a lot of smoke the same day.

Best,
Badeskov

Edited for typo.

sorry people but I dont mean to offend but I'm sick of hearing about 911,sure we took a big blow sure they knocked down our twin towers and we lost all those people and firemen and it was one of the most meanest things anyone could have done and it hurt this country to the core,but let it rest allready our heros deserve a peacefull rest,yes someone should pay for what they have done but Let our HEROS REST,Enough said.

All I can honestly say is it looks like a building collapsed and one column shows signs of a cutting torch used during cleanup (the one in the center). I highly doubt this picture was taken the day the buildings collapsed. I know I've seen stuff stating otherwise about this exact picture before.

I have not thought anything of this picture before, as without a confirmed date it is of limited use. Though after the way you guys – badeskov, frenat, flyingswan, ifisurvive – have all jumped on it I do wonder.

Well done for debunking a weak point. Now if only you could explain the real evidence showing 9/11 as a false flag operation.



I do not mean to offend either theghost but if I had died in the 9/11 attacks I would want people to talk non-stop about it at least until every single question had been answered and all coincidences/irregularities thoroughly cleared up. Even then I would like people to remember the event so as to keep my memory alive.

firefighters were not involved in the clean-up only search and rescue-- that image was taken on 9/11 --you think a photographer with such dramatic firefighter images would publish them anonymouly? im going to let the shills non action in clarifying this issue speak for itself--

when a magician performs an illusion where a "seemingly randon" audience member is used as an assistant AND is IN ON THE TRICK they are referred to as "SHILLS"

Those beams were cut, not blown up and the fire was too hot for that picture to have been taken on 9/11. Not only that but the smoke cloud did not dissipate for days if not weeks. The air is way too clear.

The firefighters were there for weeks...

Best,
Badeskov

I just love how debunkers try to prove that 9/11 wasn't an inside job even though ALL EVIDENCE that has been presented in all video's, testimonials from experts, and eye witness accounts from the scene. I still don't understand why some people think that it wasn't our government...well cant really say government cause I still don't want to place blame at this point. Would it be so hard to believe that they did it though? I just find it funny that some people believe anything our government says is 100% true. I wonder what is gonna take for the all of the public to realize the truth? A major motion picture perhaps?

It wouldn't be a stretch for me to believe that the government had something to do with it, but the evidence that I've seen doesn't add up to that. It's not like I didn't go into it with an open mind.

edit:typo

Just to add some substantial to my claim http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...755C0A9649C8B63



That article was posted on June 25th, 2002.

Best,
Badeskov

That the whole point, all the so called evidence is non-existent and only claimed to be there by non-experts in the field. All the actual experts in the fields of relevance almost all agree on what actually happened,

Best,
Badeskov

Actually, I wouldn't have given that photo a second thought if it hadn't been used as "evidence" to show something, attaching a date to it that is clearly not correct. That is making up evidence and that is where I (and others, obviously), have to object



I am still looking for that real evidence, pardon my ignorance

Cheers,
Badeskov

A few questions im curious about,

- I cannot see why the beam would need to be cut at an angle ( by the clean-up crew). Having it fall
in the same manner as a tree seems the most Unsafe way to do it. If it was cut so that it could lean, they could have done the same thing by cutting it horizontally and lifting it with a crane ( would also take less time to cut horizontally I would imagine. )

Ironworkers at Ground Zero video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCrinZM9b2Q...ted&search=

- The horrible long term health problems attributed to those who worked at Ground Zero
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14681710/

An Interesting note about Thermite are the hazards fire, explosion, radiation and burns
Source : http://books.google.com/books?id=sj11OuVA-...fFnxF5OsC-_BLBA


Source : http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1634


Also another thing to note would be the amount of "slag" ( I think its called in Demo terms?) on the cut beams,
Im not sure of the type or torch used at Ground Zero to cut the beams but it seems like an awful lot

That is exactly what I thought someone would say.

If there is really no evidence of an inside job, why is it I can get no logical answers to my posts on the Flight 77 thread or the Flight 93 thread?

Why throughout the 9/11 Bombshell:WTC7 thread can no one reasonably explain how the three structures, through limited damage and/or random fire, all collapsed imitating controlled demolitions?

Why are there so many groups, including those made up of family members of victims of 9/11 and those of respected scholars and academics who demand a new investigation?

Why does the 'conspiracy theory' persist and when general polls are carried out, such as here and here amongst others, a large percentage of voters believe 9/11 was either an inside job or was allowed to happen on purpose? Are all these people simply delusional or do they see something?

No evidence... you wish.

Actually - the Gold was reported recovered.

this is the sort of reason that most people lack-- you have a brilliant point concerning the box column... of course they wouldnt have cut at that angle had they been in a rescue operation with people everywhere-- never mind the fact that the details of this image are readily available for verification -- here is video of the firefighters describing what they witnessed in the wtc debri--

here is an experiment that proves the official story is a hoax!

this image is impossible with the "OFFICIAL" theory!!

the image above was taken 6 weeks AFTER the collapses!! where is your REASON AMERICA!!!
and below even more CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE
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One of the more unusual artefacts to emerge from the rubble is this rock-like object which has come to be known as "the meteorite". "This is a fused element of molten steel and concrete all fused by the heat into one single element."

Actually...that is only a small portion of what has been reportedly stored there--

Interesting.

Usually, following the money is a good start to investigating what actually happened. I'm going to go and do some research & I'll start a new thread to post my findings in.

Oh, trust me to blurt something like that out



I'd like to get back to you on these, as right now I am at work and I'd better get something done



I will give a brief comment on this particular note, though. I have a serious problem with these experts that keeps being pulled forth. I have no problem with them expressing their opinion, however, I do have a problem when they are used at experts to argue one's point of view when the true experts in this field (civil engineers and the like) almost all agree the collapse happened due to damage incurred from the plane impacts and the subsequent fires.

I will allow myself another, very crude analogy. Imagine all the trees in your local city park suddenly dies (assuming that you live in a city and have a park). The city council conducts an investigation and finds that they all died from Elm disease. Out of the woodworks comes all the home gardeners and other lay people claiming that it was the city council that killed the trees using various (contradicting) means, whereas the community of professional gardeners and landscapers, who actually knows trees and do work like that on a daily basis, generally agrees with the city council assessment.

Honestly, that is how I see this whole truth movement. And until architects and civil engineers, the true experts in this field, comes out and claims that it could not have gone down as the official story says, I will stick with the official story.

On that note, I would say that the the whole sequence of events that happened is of such a complex nature that we will probably never know all the details of the collapse, but I believe that the official while not error free overall is satisfactory.



Seriously, I don't think there is and I am not trying to stir up a hornets nest.

Best,
Badeskov

Why is it so difficult for people to believe that this was a terrorist act?
I suppose Pearl Harbor was a U.S. conducted incident as well?

Why would you want to live in a country where you question your own government doing such a dastardly deed?

I see people bashing Obama on one thread because he refuses to wear his flag lapel pin and HE'S the unpatriotic one?????

Get real.

Ok, good luck with getting around to those threads.



How many non-government subsidised engineers publicly support the collapse as the official story? How many of those who support the official story actually agree on the collapse process? Few and fewer are the answers.

Further, you do understand that a professional who comes out in support of the inside job runs a high risk of being smeared by the media and losing their job?



Well if Elm disease had never in history caused trees to die before, if the trees were specifically immunised from the disease, if the trees all exhibited saw marks from saws that could only be brought in as coincidentally the city council ran security for the park…? The case of professional/home gardener opinions you raise is faulty as I describe above and below in this post.



There are indeed architects, mechanical engineers, civil engineers and structural engineers who are members of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth organisation and call for a new investigation into 9/11 – see here.

There is also a group called Pilots for 9/11 Truth, made up of, as the name implies, aviation experts, who specifically do not agree with the Commission Report's account of the four flights - see here.

Perhaps you are not looking very hard if you missed all these experts.

That does sound interesting Tiggs - a 9/11 'follow the money' thread. As well as the gold beneath the WTC site, you could include: -

• Bin Laden family investment in GW Bush oil company Arbusto
  
  
• Insider trading on put options prior to 9/11
  
  
• Billions saved in not having to fix the Towers' asbestos problem
  
  
• $4.65 billion as yet unspent insurance payout received by Larry Silverstein
  
  
• 10th Sep. announcement that $2.3 trillion was unaccounted for by the Pentagon
  
  
• $100,000 transfer of funds from the ISI to lead hijacker Mohammed Atta
  
  
• Profits to the arms industry including the Carlyle Group
  
  
• Value of the US controlling the world's Middle Eastern energy resources
  
  
• The 9/11 Commission Report's assertion that "'To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance"

One thing I know - you will not trace anything back to a cave in Afghanistan.

Not forgetting how much is being made pushing the "inside job" theory by the likes of Alex Jones and Dylan Avery.
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/ripoffalert.html
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/...vs-william.html

Funny of you to source Wing TV, indeed.

I agree that Alex Jones is largely motivated by money, pushing his videos non-stop. Don't know about Avery.

Now that is desperation - I list a string of thousand/million/billion dollar scams surrounding 9/11 and you pick out a couple of guys making a living from promoting the truth.

Not at all, you followed the money, but you only followed it in one direction. I just pointed out that there are other money trails to follow. The Alex Jones link in particular points more to scam than to making a living, and "promoting the truth" is again looking at it from only one direction. Truth is found by examining all the evidence, not just the bits that happen to fit your worldview.

mohammed atta attended meetings with ex-cia officers subbing for the carlisle group in tampa,fl and knoxville tennessee...the FBI knows about these meetings...false flag is what it is...

How do you think my worldview came about? I examined the evidence.

I have offered an explanation for any money that Alex Jones and the like take – they do it to promote what they and many people believe is the truth whilst making a living; it is a job to them. I should add that the majority of work produced by Jones, Avery and others is available completely free on the internet.

I have yet to see you or anyone else give explanations of all the points I listed above.

FREEKIN AWESOME!!!

i had the wonderful opportunity to view this last week in austin(ATT meeting at the barton creek CC-timing could not have been better) at the premier with alex speaking before the show-- it is nothing less than the complete destruction of the already crumbling illusion and it lays bear the coming eugenics industrialization and planned global depopulation plans-- from the "chemical labotomization" of american children through vaccinations(mercury induced autism) to "nspd51" where bush gives himself authority to seize anyone on the planet he feels should be executed and the execution never even needs to be admitted or reported-- if any one ever tries to claim that you dont support the troops because you want them home all you have to do is remind them there is an unregulated mercenary army taking our soldiers armor and dignity by requisitioning 10x the taxpayers money than "OUR BOYS" who really should be the recipients-- here is proof they want to kill you for no other reason than to satisfy their bloodlust for power as they have become bored with "just" owning everything and are ready to demonstrate the dominance of their cold blooded reasoning over the pacifist mindset-- will be in austin for another week and i will probably go watch endgame again at the alamo drafthouse on tue or wed as this may be the last chance to watch it on a bigscreen while you order wings and brew-- dont miss it if you have the opportunity
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Man. How do I become one of the elites? I want to live forever too.

I fail to see how much of what you said has any relevance to 911. The Pentagon has massive accounting problems- so what?

As for the one of two points that are relevant, after wasting all the time I did trying to find if there was any truth in your Mossad story, I need a lot more evidence than you present to take them as true.

<a href="http://endtimewatchmedia.uni.cc/" target="_blank">http://endtimewatchmedia.uni.cc/</a>

The Vail
Bush Pardons him self from war crimes

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PreAF6FjGyg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PreAF6FjGyg</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gx3SJ4XMYo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gx3SJ4XMYo</a>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPd9yjvF7Mw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5O4Ss7zpI

Not recommended if you have a weak stomach...


Support Our Troops Why Expose Them To Depleted Uranium?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-kusQ3pqy4

yeah its real funny that you have no idea what your laughing at-- all you have to do is google the names "ray kurzweil" , "aubrey de grey" or "craig venter" and find out what they have to think about the subject and then carefully weigh the difference between their credentials and authority on the subject and yours!! for the record your opinion cannot hold a candle to theirs

Why wouldn't you question a Government that has a history of lying?

You should take into account the majority of the victims families are questioning the government, not to mention, ex CIA, FBI, and Government officials.

If you look into the facts of 9/11 this was no terrorist act. The only terrorists are the people within the current administration.

Peace

lol, trillions missing from the pentagon and you are fearing a couple of guys selling dvds? LOL



Actualy, Alex Jones only sells his dvds so he can make more documentaries. He might "push" them for this reason, but he also actively "pushes" people to buy dvd burners and make "dozens" of copies to pass out. For someone that you claim is so motivated by making money, he not only encourages private duplication of his films, he allows them to be freely distributed via the internet. Very diabolical.......



LOL, tell that to the 911 commision. They thought following the money trail was of "little practical significance". I guess if the "offical story" is televised within hours of the attack, there is no reason to examine (or expose) all evidence. Just stick to your original story and denounce anyone who asks questions as "un-american". Hearing a believer in the offical story talking about the virtue of "following the money" is enough to make my head spin.

How can you even talk about "following the money" if you buy the offical story???? THEY TOLD YOU FOLLOWING THE MONEY WAS OF "LITTLE PRACTICAL SIGNIFICANCE". If you are going to buy it, buy it hook line and sinker and get your belief system streight.

Well said 'el midgetron'....

Let me add that Alex Jones does sell his dvd's but also posts it on Google Video for the public to view anytime. As el midgetron stated he encourages people to mass distribute the dvd's to other people to watch.

I just don't understand how people can believe in the 9/11 Commission Report.. How much money was set aside to investigate the whole attack?? What was it about $3 Million dollars ... now how much was set aside to investigate the Clinton scandal? hmmm about $30 Million Wheres the justification in that....

Let me tell you the people who think this is a free country.....you have the illusion of freedom. Your within a prison with no bars. Currently, your country is everything BUT free. Sure you can go about your "normal" life, doing the typical American things they indoctrinated you to do, but your "rights" which are within the Constitution and Bill of Rights are damn near GONE. Bush has passed so many laws which take away American "freedom" until it wouldn't be far fetched to claim this was a fascist state.

Read up on: "The Patriot Act, The Patriot Act 2, The Millitary Commissions Act, PD511, Executive Order 199i, The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive." And there is more! Hell with that last one its too serious, Bush is denying Congressman the ability to review his new directive which states how the government will operate after the event of the next "inevitable" terrorist attack! Can you say....Martial Law? I hope you like Germany......

I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but it doesn't work; damn.

"Reverend Martin Niemoeller-

In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me."

"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men. If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."


Peace

You don't even read the short threads, do you? It was the money Jones charges for a personal appearance, more than a rock concert, that I highlighted:
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/ripoffalert.html

Thats fairly average for a national symposium, local and unversity events are usualy much less though. There was also student and group rates which brought the price down to around $40 or $50 bucks. Comparing a two day symposium to a rock concert in a huge arena, lasting for an hour and a half is pretty unbalenced. You really think Jones is more of a profiteer than Gene Simmons? Show me where Simmons has encouraged people to duplicate his work and give it away.

Sustainable World Coalition symposium tickets, two day $100, one day $75
http://www.swcoalition.org/SymTickets06.html

Its interenting that while you think Jones is a liar and profiteer, you are willing to take the word of someone else who runs a anti-NWO site as being honest and up-front.



But they also sell books and dvds as well as solicit "donations" ($5 to $500) on their site.......

100% of Jone's work is completely scott-free via the web. He does offer memberships to prisonplanet for $5.50 to gain access to additional archived information and newsletter updates. I have never heard Jones ask for "donations". Only if people wish to support his work do they need to spend so much as a penny. I guess you think Jones should just work for free?

Really though, you believe the official story, part of which is that the "money trial" is of "little practical significance". If you really believe this, why do you make an issue of the buisness side of Jone's work?

The planes that ran into the building were huge commercail flights. It doesn't seem that crazy that they could take down the building. My friend knew someone who died in the crash. If it was staged did the goverment sacrafice those innocent people?

with glee -- consider the sacrificial implications of the afghani and iraqi crusade based on known lies -- its over a million in iraq alone