When I was under 10, I was always seeing and hearing things that were out of the ordinary. Not particularly strange, since I came from a long line of mediums from both my father and mother's sides of the family. I grew to question everything about my Catholic upbringing, like why would God send the Indians to Hell if they didn't know about Jesus, and why would he send babies to Limbo if they weren't baptized? It wasn't their fault. Why would I have to confess to a priest if God heard and saw everything I did or said, I could talk to Him myself, and did every night before I went to sleep. They would first become patient and try to answer my questions with the pat vague answers they had been taught, then they would get flustered and angry when I would push for a more detailed answer. Finally, I decided that they did not know the answers and asked my mother if I could explore other churches to see if I could find better answers to my very important questions. She gave me all of her support and we didn't tell the rest of the family of course!
I visited the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and even the Jewish Temple. I read up on the Rosicrucian's, my own people's Santeria, Wiccans and finally decided that I would have to find my own way to Spiritualism, which is what finally happened though I didn't know that it existed at the time. The best way to describe me best for most of my life would be mostly Buddhist. Mostly unintentionally! I feel that:
[*]1. God has no gender but is a God/Goddess or light from which we all sprang and which we all retain a spark of that original light. That which we call a soul. The purpose of that soul is to ultimately rejoin the light by evolving to the purity that once made us a part of that light.
[*]2. There is no evil except of our own choosing, because we were given choice. Choice gives us the ability to more forward or drag us back, making us have to add or subtract lifetimes to learn the deeper lessons of the soul.
[*]3. There is no Hell because we are in it. If you have ever read Dante's Inferno, you will note that every kind of torture or punishment imagined by man to be waiting for us in Hell, has already been and will be repeatedly inflicted by one man or race against another until there are no more men to do so.
[*]4. There are angels, I should know. I have always been told that I had one, but never believed it to be true until I had a dream about death when I was 25. it was as vivid at 45 as it was at 25 and still is. In this dream, I dreamed that I died and a wonderful glowing companion who I couldn't see stood behind my left shoulder guiding me. He answered my question and let me know that "yes" I was dead, but I had nothing to fear. I wasn't afraid in the least, and I wasn't afraid when I felt the exact same touch when I stopped breathing from shock in my late forties and we took a trip together. Someone told him to bring me back, I was not ready, so next thing I know I was waking up on the floor being shaken by panicky husband. I still wasn't afraid, I had been in the best of hands.
[*]5. Yes, I do think there are demonic entities, however, I think they are souls that have never taken human form for some reason and should be treated with much caution.
[*]6. Of course there are others in the universe! How arrogant are we that we think that in the titanic creation of this universe, we are the only sentient beings in it! The same microbes and molecules that created us were set loose on many other planets also, why not other lifeforms? We presume too much.
[*]7. Ghosts. There are strong memories, there are loops, there are attachments both pleasurable and those of unfinished business. and there are more planes of existence living side by side with ours though you don't see them. I know seeing is believing, so you'll just have to take it on faith, or wait until some spirit scares the bejeezus out of you! Lol!
[*]8. Your loved ones who pass on never leave you. Merely thinking of them brings there essence by your side though you might miss a sign they might send to tell you they are there. A song on the radio, a special bird flying nearby, your pet noticing something unseen, the light scent of a perfume on the breeze. Some small thing that you might think is just coincidence at the moment it happens and put it from your mind. You will see them again, and unfortunately, if you don't resolve hatred or hard feelings in this life, you will be drawn back to those people too. Just a word to the wise.
[*]9. Because you have the light of creation in you, you have the ability to ask for what you want and get it. Only you have to ask with the full expectation that it will happen for you, no doubts, no fear and hopefully nothing negative because that will only work against you in your next lifetime. Open yourself and allow yourself to accept all the good that life has to offer.
[*]10. Never forget to offer something good in return. Only you can tell what that is.
I'm no genius, but this is what has made the most sense to me over the years and the experiences I've had. When I divorced my ex, he had the nerve to tell me that I was really after a man with money, so I told him that not only was I not, but I would never marry again and then proceeded to tell him what would be his future until his death, in detail. It all happened, just like I said. Right down to him dying alone in his apartment, not from a heroine overdose like I thought, but, a methadone withdrawal 25 years later. After I had told our eldest son that I would give him a baby for his birthday so he would stop asking me ad nauseum; I was still only six months pregnant, and I had our third child on that very day, he always called me a "witch".
I have never prognosticated again in anger. There are just some things you shouldn't do, even unknowingly.
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QUOTE(mariposa1 @ Oct 12 2007, 09:20 PM) 
[*]2. There is no evil except of our own choosing, because we were given choice. Choice gives us the ability to more forward or drag us back, making us have to add or subtract lifetimes to learn the deeper lessons of the soul.
There'd be no good or evil in the universe if there were no intelligent creatures to name things as such.
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[*]6. Of course there are others in the universe! How arrogant are we that we think that in the titanic creation of this universe, we are the only sentient beings in it! The same microbes and molecules that created us were set loose on many other planets also, why not other lifeforms? We presume too much.
I think it's the opposite, it's arrogant to assume that we know anything about life outside of our own world. The basic elements required to make mights be very rare. Even if a world does have the elements, life may never arise. And even then, if it does, intelligence is not the end result of evolution.
Thats all I have to add.
QUOTE(Cradle of Fish @ Oct 13 2007, 03:36 AM)
There'd be no good or evil in the universe if there were no intelligent creatures to name things as such.
I think it's the opposite, it's arrogant to assume that we know anything about life outside of our own world. The basic elements required to make mights be very rare. Even if a world does have the elements, life may never arise. And even then, if it does, intelligence is not the end result of evolution.
Thats all I have to add.
I think it's the opposite, it's arrogant to assume that we know anything about life outside of our own world. The basic elements required to make mights be very rare. Even if a world does have the elements, life may never arise. And even then, if it does, intelligence is not the end result of evolution.
Thats all I have to add.
Considering how many suns are out there, how can you be sure that we are the one and only's? Even the scientists agree that where there is water, there exists the possibility of life. Since we are not at the center of our universe and there are much older planetary systems and they fully expect that some also contain water and the building blocks of life, there is a much greater chance that intelligent life does exist. To just refute it outright is not logical. I never did and never will say that anyone knows everything about life outside our world and I do not do so "arrogantly" I believe is the word you used?
I merely subscribe to a very real possibility that falls in line with many scientists and astronomers. Oh and not to mention all those lovely unexplained ancient references, drawings and paintings that can be found throughout history that depict the same crazy delusions about aliens that people have today. It's only a thought, of course.
As for evil, arrogance and assumptions, I usually leave that to men, they are just so darn good at it. They dismiss anything they personally don't believe in, without thought or investigation; and it wasn't women who whipped up the Inquisition or the Holocaust or even the H-bomb.
QUOTE(Cradle of Fish @ Oct 13 2007, 03:36 AM)
The basic elements required to make mights be very rare. Even if a world does have the elements, life may never arise.
This is true....if you limit it to life as we know.
QUOTE(mariposa1 @ Oct 13 2007, 12:20 AM)
When I was under 10, I was always seeing and hearing things that were out of the ordinary. Not particularly strange, since I came from a long line of mediums from both my father and mother's sides of the family. I grew to question everything about my Catholic upbringing, like why would God send the Indians to Hell if they didn't know about Jesus, and why would he send babies to Limbo if they weren't baptized? It wasn't their fault. Why would I have to confess to a priest if God heard and saw everything I did or said, I could talk to Him myself, and did every night before I went to sleep. They would first become patient and try to answer my questions with the pat vague answers they had been taught, then they would get flustered and angry when I would push for a more detailed answer. Finally, I decided that they did not know the answers and asked my mother if I could explore other churches to see if I could find better answers to my very important questions. She gave me all of her support and we didn't tell the rest of the family of course!
I visited the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and even the Jewish Temple. I read up on the Rosicrucian's, my own people's Santeria, Wiccans and finally decided that I would have to find my own way to Spiritualism, which is what finally happened though I didn't know that it existed at the time. The best way to describe me best for most of my life would be mostly Buddhist. Mostly unintentionally! I feel that:
[*]1. God has no gender but is a God/Goddess or light from which we all sprang and which we all retain a spark of that original light. That which we call a soul. The purpose of that soul is to ultimately rejoin the light by evolving to the purity that once made us a part of that light.
[*]2. There is no evil except of our own choosing, because we were given choice. Choice gives us the ability to more forward or drag us back, making us have to add or subtract lifetimes to learn the deeper lessons of the soul.
[*]3. There is no Hell because we are in it. If you have ever read Dante's Inferno, you will note that every kind of torture or punishment imagined by man to be waiting for us in Hell, has already been and will be repeatedly inflicted by one man or race against another until there are no more men to do so.
[*]4. There are angels, I should know. I have always been told that I had one, but never believed it to be true until I had a dream about death when I was 25. it was as vivid at 45 as it was at 25 and still is. In this dream, I dreamed that I died and a wonderful glowing companion who I couldn't see stood behind my left shoulder guiding me. He answered my question and let me know that "yes" I was dead, but I had nothing to fear. I wasn't afraid in the least, and I wasn't afraid when I felt the exact same touch when I stopped breathing from shock in my late forties and we took a trip together. Someone told him to bring me back, I was not ready, so next thing I know I was waking up on the floor being shaken by panicky husband. I still wasn't afraid, I had been in the best of hands.
[*]5. Yes, I do think there are demonic entities, however, I think they are souls that have never taken human form for some reason and should be treated with much caution.
[*]6. Of course there are others in the universe! How arrogant are we that we think that in the titanic creation of this universe, we are the only sentient beings in it! The same microbes and molecules that created us were set loose on many other planets also, why not other lifeforms? We presume too much.
[*]7. Ghosts. There are strong memories, there are loops, there are attachments both pleasurable and those of unfinished business. and there are more planes of existence living side by side with ours though you don't see them. I know seeing is believing, so you'll just have to take it on faith, or wait until some spirit scares the bejeezus out of you! Lol!
[*]8. Your loved ones who pass on never leave you. Merely thinking of them brings there essence by your side though you might miss a sign they might send to tell you they are there. A song on the radio, a special bird flying nearby, your pet noticing something unseen, the light scent of a perfume on the breeze. Some small thing that you might think is just coincidence at the moment it happens and put it from your mind. You will see them again, and unfortunately, if you don't resolve hatred or hard feelings in this life, you will be drawn back to those people too. Just a word to the wise.
[*]9. Because you have the light of creation in you, you have the ability to ask for what you want and get it. Only you have to ask with the full expectation that it will happen for you, no doubts, no fear and hopefully nothing negative because that will only work against you in your next lifetime. Open yourself and allow yourself to accept all the good that life has to offer.
[*]10. Never forget to offer something good in return. Only you can tell what that is.
I'm no genius, but this is what has made the most sense to me over the years and the experiences I've had. When I divorced my ex, he had the nerve to tell me that I was really after a man with money, so I told him that not only was I not, but I would never marry again and then proceeded to tell him what would be his future until his death, in detail. It all happened, just like I said. Right down to him dying alone in his apartment, not from a heroine overdose like I thought, but, a methadone withdrawal 25 years later. After I had told our eldest son that I would give him a baby for his birthday so he would stop asking me ad nauseum; I was still only six months pregnant, and I had our third child on that very day, he always called me a "witch".
I have never prognosticated again in anger. There are just some things you shouldn't do, even unknowingly.
I visited the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and even the Jewish Temple. I read up on the Rosicrucian's, my own people's Santeria, Wiccans and finally decided that I would have to find my own way to Spiritualism, which is what finally happened though I didn't know that it existed at the time. The best way to describe me best for most of my life would be mostly Buddhist. Mostly unintentionally! I feel that:
[*]1. God has no gender but is a God/Goddess or light from which we all sprang and which we all retain a spark of that original light. That which we call a soul. The purpose of that soul is to ultimately rejoin the light by evolving to the purity that once made us a part of that light.
[*]2. There is no evil except of our own choosing, because we were given choice. Choice gives us the ability to more forward or drag us back, making us have to add or subtract lifetimes to learn the deeper lessons of the soul.
[*]3. There is no Hell because we are in it. If you have ever read Dante's Inferno, you will note that every kind of torture or punishment imagined by man to be waiting for us in Hell, has already been and will be repeatedly inflicted by one man or race against another until there are no more men to do so.
[*]4. There are angels, I should know. I have always been told that I had one, but never believed it to be true until I had a dream about death when I was 25. it was as vivid at 45 as it was at 25 and still is. In this dream, I dreamed that I died and a wonderful glowing companion who I couldn't see stood behind my left shoulder guiding me. He answered my question and let me know that "yes" I was dead, but I had nothing to fear. I wasn't afraid in the least, and I wasn't afraid when I felt the exact same touch when I stopped breathing from shock in my late forties and we took a trip together. Someone told him to bring me back, I was not ready, so next thing I know I was waking up on the floor being shaken by panicky husband. I still wasn't afraid, I had been in the best of hands.
[*]5. Yes, I do think there are demonic entities, however, I think they are souls that have never taken human form for some reason and should be treated with much caution.
[*]6. Of course there are others in the universe! How arrogant are we that we think that in the titanic creation of this universe, we are the only sentient beings in it! The same microbes and molecules that created us were set loose on many other planets also, why not other lifeforms? We presume too much.
[*]7. Ghosts. There are strong memories, there are loops, there are attachments both pleasurable and those of unfinished business. and there are more planes of existence living side by side with ours though you don't see them. I know seeing is believing, so you'll just have to take it on faith, or wait until some spirit scares the bejeezus out of you! Lol!
[*]8. Your loved ones who pass on never leave you. Merely thinking of them brings there essence by your side though you might miss a sign they might send to tell you they are there. A song on the radio, a special bird flying nearby, your pet noticing something unseen, the light scent of a perfume on the breeze. Some small thing that you might think is just coincidence at the moment it happens and put it from your mind. You will see them again, and unfortunately, if you don't resolve hatred or hard feelings in this life, you will be drawn back to those people too. Just a word to the wise.
[*]9. Because you have the light of creation in you, you have the ability to ask for what you want and get it. Only you have to ask with the full expectation that it will happen for you, no doubts, no fear and hopefully nothing negative because that will only work against you in your next lifetime. Open yourself and allow yourself to accept all the good that life has to offer.
[*]10. Never forget to offer something good in return. Only you can tell what that is.
I'm no genius, but this is what has made the most sense to me over the years and the experiences I've had. When I divorced my ex, he had the nerve to tell me that I was really after a man with money, so I told him that not only was I not, but I would never marry again and then proceeded to tell him what would be his future until his death, in detail. It all happened, just like I said. Right down to him dying alone in his apartment, not from a heroine overdose like I thought, but, a methadone withdrawal 25 years later. After I had told our eldest son that I would give him a baby for his birthday so he would stop asking me ad nauseum; I was still only six months pregnant, and I had our third child on that very day, he always called me a "witch".
I have never prognosticated again in anger. There are just some things you shouldn't do, even unknowingly.
Thank you .
Thank you for your sincerity .
Thank you for your generosity in sharing your lifetime spiritual voyage . ..and....
Thank you for the feeling of serenity you gave ..at least to me .
QUOTE(Sama @ Oct 16 2007, 03:28 PM)
Thank you .
Thank you for your sincerity .
Thank you for your generosity in sharing your lifetime spiritual voyage . ..and....
Thank you for the feeling of serenity you gave ..at least to me .
Thank you for your sincerity .
Thank you for your generosity in sharing your lifetime spiritual voyage . ..and....
Thank you for the feeling of serenity you gave ..at least to me .
Sama,
You are very welcome. I hope I made coherent sense. I did not have a very smooth ride and spent most of my life trying to figure out "Why me? Why is it always me?". I was born poor in East Harlem, but never felt poor until others made me feel poor. I was victimized by a predator but never felt like a victim, only a worthy adversary (even though I was only a child), and I WON! Bad choices followed me wherever I went, but somehow I was always able to pull my butt out of the coals. I finally realized that dealing with my choices was winning half of the battle and then making the best I could out of the rest could be my reward. Now I can count my blessings instead of my failings. More people should try it.
QUOTE(zandore @ Oct 16 2007, 03:03 PM)
This is true....if you limit it to life as we know.
"Limits", you say. If we put limits on everything just out of fear, we'd still all be living in Europe! We would still believe that the world was flat. The Native Americans would have found us by now. And our population would still be ravaged by disease. Why do we get it and most don't?
QUOTE(zandore @ Oct 16 2007, 07:03 PM)
This is true....if you limit it to life as we know.
We've only ever encountered carbon based life so we cant really discuss all the other kinds of life that may or may not exist.
QUOTE(mariposa1 @ Oct 16 2007, 10:10 PM)
"Limits", you say. If we put limits on everything just out of fear, we'd still all be living in Europe! We would still believe that the world was flat. The Native Americans would have found us by now. And our population would still be ravaged by disease. Why do we get it and most don't?By the time they set out to find America they already knew the world was round. They knew the world would have limits and they went west to find them, and when they did they didn't try to find new limits to the earths surface, because they'd already found them, it was just a matter of exploring everything within those limits, which we haven't even begun to do if you count the vastness of the oceans.
But I dont limit it out of fear, I limit it out of truth. We've never encountered any life other than carbon based, and we know what life as we know it needs to survive, so we search it out. But considering the number of things that had to go right for us to arise, it's entirely possible that we are the only intelligent species to ever evolve in the universe, and when we're gone, there may never come another intelligent species anywhere until the end of time.
QUOTE(mariposa1 @ Oct 16 2007, 06:10 PM)
"Limits", you say. If we put limits on everything just out of fear, we'd still all be living in Europe! We would still believe that the world was flat. The Native Americans would have found us by now.I would still be here in America.....I am part Native American
QUOTE(Cradle of Fish @ Oct 17 2007, 02:19 AM)
We've only ever encountered carbon based life so we cant really discuss all the other kinds of life that may or may not exist.
As Mar just more or less just said.....don't limit yourself.
QUOTE(Cradle of Fish @ Oct 17 2007, 02:19 AM)
But I dont limit it out of fear, I limit it out of truth.
Truth then.....there are more stars then there are grains of sand on all of the beaches and shores of this dust ball we call Earth....if we limit ourselves to thinking we are the only life (intelligent or otherwise) out there....then we will remain ignorant.
QUOTE(zandore @ Oct 17 2007, 10:12 AM)
I would still be here in America.....I am part Native American
As Mar just more or less just said.....don't limit yourself.
Truth then.....there are more stars then there are grains of sand on all of the beaches and shores of this dust ball we call Earth....if we limit ourselves to thinking we are the only life (intelligent or otherwise) out there....then we will remain ignorant.
As Mar just more or less just said.....don't limit yourself.
Truth then.....there are more stars then there are grains of sand on all of the beaches and shores of this dust ball we call Earth....if we limit ourselves to thinking we are the only life (intelligent or otherwise) out there....then we will remain ignorant.
Thanks for the back-up! Let's put it this way, in the past two hundred years man's technology and awareness of germs and bacteria(also things unseen), have advanced more than the whole range of time that man has been on Earth. He has seen and accomplished what our great-grandfathers would have thought impossible and other-worldly. We are still novices, there are no limits man! Why bother with space at all, if they thought it wasn't worth the time? Do you have special inside knowledge of what the governments don't tell the public? You do know that they spend tax dollars looking for signs also don't you? Why?
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[*]3. There is no Hell because we are in it. If you have ever read Dante's Inferno, you will note that every kind of torture or punishment imagined by man to be waiting for us in Hell, has already been and will be repeatedly inflicted by one man or race against another until there are no more men to do so.
You're saying Mother Earth is hell. As a member of an earth base religion I beg to differ. The earth is our home, if we would listen to her she will feed and cloth us. The Earth is our class room to learn the true nature of the Universe. It is not a hell when I stand in a forest looking up at the night sky listening to the owls call, it is a part of heaven. Not all humans inflict pain and evil on others. Those who do have lost their way and are creating a hell of their own making.
QUOTE(zandore @ Oct 17 2007, 02:12 PM)
I would still be here in America.....I am part Native American
As Mar just more or less just said.....don't limit yourself.
Truth then.....there are more stars then there are grains of sand on all of the beaches and shores of this dust ball we call Earth....if we limit ourselves to thinking we are the only life (intelligent or otherwise) out there....then we will remain ignorant.
As Mar just more or less just said.....don't limit yourself.
Truth then.....there are more stars then there are grains of sand on all of the beaches and shores of this dust ball we call Earth....if we limit ourselves to thinking we are the only life (intelligent or otherwise) out there....then we will remain ignorant.
We limit ourselves by thinking we know anything about the universe. To be honest, the chances are, we arent alone. But there also is the chance that we are alone in the universe, or at least in our galaxy. Even if there is other life out there, the vast distances between stars all but rules out ever contacting them.
QUOTE(mariposa1 @ Oct 17 2007, 03:30 PM)
Thanks for the back-up! Let's put it this way, in the past two hundred years man's technology and awareness of germs and bacteria(also things unseen), have advanced more than the whole range of time that man has been on Earth. He has seen and accomplished what our great-grandfathers would have thought impossible and other-worldly. We are still novices, there are no limits man! Why bother with space at all, if they thought it wasn't worth the time? Do you have special inside knowledge of what the governments don't tell the public? You do know that they spend tax dollars looking for signs also don't you? Why?
It is worth it. Even if we manage to get over the social and political problems that plague the human race, we're still trapped on this little rock that birthed us. But it doesn't help to assume things just because they sound good.
I guess most people would characterise me as a fundamentalist christian, although my relationship with god is only christian by cultural default. I read your post carefully and it agrees with my personal faith almost point by point.
However, it is not clear whether you also believe that god (who is capable of granting all we need) will also restore those who meet certain criteria, in physical bodies of a much higher order than we have at the moment, and with a consciousness which is much more integrated with the universe, and thus with god.
I see this as the ultimate "light" or" state of enlightenment". While occupying physical bodies, we will not me limited to them, either in movement or in communication.
I accept the posssibility that we may adopt a more spiritual and less physical form, but the human form has many advantages, in our on going role of responsibility for stewardship of the physical environment(s) with which we interact.
I do not think that there is a hell, but nor do I feel that earth is hell. Hell comes from within. If we live our lives by precepts which are in harmony with the truth, then we will never need to feel guilt, shame, lust, envy, fear etc. Thus our lives on earh may be wonderfully rich and rewarding, without the slightest resemblence to "Hell"
However, it is not clear whether you also believe that god (who is capable of granting all we need) will also restore those who meet certain criteria, in physical bodies of a much higher order than we have at the moment, and with a consciousness which is much more integrated with the universe, and thus with god.
I see this as the ultimate "light" or" state of enlightenment". While occupying physical bodies, we will not me limited to them, either in movement or in communication.
I accept the posssibility that we may adopt a more spiritual and less physical form, but the human form has many advantages, in our on going role of responsibility for stewardship of the physical environment(s) with which we interact.
I do not think that there is a hell, but nor do I feel that earth is hell. Hell comes from within. If we live our lives by precepts which are in harmony with the truth, then we will never need to feel guilt, shame, lust, envy, fear etc. Thus our lives on earh may be wonderfully rich and rewarding, without the slightest resemblence to "Hell"
QUOTE (Mr Walker @ Oct 18 2007, 01:46 AM)
I guess most people would characterise me as a fundamentalist christian, although my relationship with god is only christian by cultural default. I read your post carefully and it agrees with my personal faith almost point by point.
However, it is not clear whether you also believe that god (who is capable of granting all we need) will also restore those who meet certain criteria, in physical bodies of a much higher order than we have at the moment, and with a consciousness which is much more integrated with the universe, and thus with god.
I see this as the ultimate "light" or" state of enlightenment". While occupying physical bodies, we will not me limited to them, either in movement or in communication.
I accept the posssibility that we may adopt a more spiritual and less physical form, but the human form has many advantages, in our on going role of responsibility for stewardship of the physical environment(s) with which we interact.
I do not think that there is a hell, but nor do I feel that earth is hell. Hell comes from within. If we live our lives by precepts which are in harmony with the truth, then we will never need to feel guilt, shame, lust, envy, fear etc. Thus our lives on earh may be wonderfully rich and rewarding, without the slightest resemblence to "Hell"
However, it is not clear whether you also believe that god (who is capable of granting all we need) will also restore those who meet certain criteria, in physical bodies of a much higher order than we have at the moment, and with a consciousness which is much more integrated with the universe, and thus with god.
I see this as the ultimate "light" or" state of enlightenment". While occupying physical bodies, we will not me limited to them, either in movement or in communication.
I accept the posssibility that we may adopt a more spiritual and less physical form, but the human form has many advantages, in our on going role of responsibility for stewardship of the physical environment(s) with which we interact.
I do not think that there is a hell, but nor do I feel that earth is hell. Hell comes from within. If we live our lives by precepts which are in harmony with the truth, then we will never need to feel guilt, shame, lust, envy, fear etc. Thus our lives on earh may be wonderfully rich and rewarding, without the slightest resemblence to "Hell"
I most certainly agree that in physical form it is our role to learn and grow spiritually in order to ascend to a higher consciousness that will eventually join us to the "Light" and the Universe. We can live a stainless life and yet be affected by those who are still creating hell around us. It still deeply affects me when I see woodlands razed to be replaced by yet another stretch of townhouses. I usually keep a passel of animals, all rescued from the pound. If I could have more and varied I would. They live to great ages with us and defy all predictions to the contrary. I greet the Sun and Earth every morning and the stars and Moon every night with joy to be given such a gift. I thank my Creator every day for my blessings and cast the negative aside. I keep my spirit open in the place of allowing and wait patiently, hoping that I am truly allowing my needs to be answered. I am most at peace in the middle of nature and that is why I am so stressed, I live on Long Island in New York! But I meditate and do my best with the help of the Spiritualist church that I recently found, I come home with boundless energy and joy. Then I turn on the news and see the endless needs of so many that it hurts. I have the nature of a healer, and the sight of the broken innocents rips at my heart. My pets cuddle up around me feeling my distress, my comfort is to love them and my family and friends more.
QUOTE (Cradle of Fish @ Oct 17 2007, 10:52 PM)
We limit ourselves by thinking we know anything about the universe. To be honest, the chances are, we arent alone. But there also is the chance that we are alone in the universe, or at least in our galaxy. Even if there is other life out there, the vast distances between stars all but rules out ever contacting them.
It is worth it. Even if we manage to get over the social and political problems that plague the human race, we're still trapped on this little rock that birthed us. But it doesn't help to assume things just because they sound good.
It is worth it. Even if we manage to get over the social and political problems that plague the human race, we're still trapped on this little rock that birthed us. But it doesn't help to assume things just because they sound good.
I don't assume anything, but, I would like to find out if I am correct. Take that whatever way you want, it's a free country (or used to be). I don't believe we have to be "trapped". Anything imagined is possible. What is science fiction today may be science fact tomorrow....etc. We should never put limits on ourselves, that I would call a defeatist attitude. I do remember what "ASSUME" means, do yuo?
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Oct 17 2007, 08:53 PM)
You're saying Mother Earth is hell. As a member of an earth base religion I beg to differ. The earth is our home, if we would listen to her she will feed and cloth us. The Earth is our class room to learn the true nature of the Universe. It is not a hell when I stand in a forest looking up at the night sky listening to the owls call, it is a part of heaven. Not all humans inflict pain and evil on others. Those who do have lost their way and are creating a hell of their own making.
I certainly am NOT saying that Mother Earth is Hell! Man's obsession with evil thoughts and actions are none of Her making. Maybe you ought to look at some more of my posts. Also I do not condemn all humans specifically, it would be literally impossible for me to know every evil person's name don't you agree? And for those lost persons, not only are they making a hell of their own, but are they not responsible for the hell that innocent people suffer all over the world? Or do you think chopping off a child's arms is ok? Or genocide, or rape, or mass murder? Shall I go on? Maybe the people destroying the Earth are not evil, just misguided? Despite the warnings, the evidence and the mass protest? Their greed is not obvious enough for you? Where will those owls be if we let them continue their destruction of our home?
QUOTE (mariposa1 @ Oct 12 2007, 09:20 PM)
When I was under 10, I was always seeing and hearing things that were out of the ordinary. Not particularly strange, since I came from a long line of mediums from both my father and mother's sides of the family. I grew to question everything about my Catholic upbringing, like why would God send the Indians to Hell if they didn't know about Jesus, and why would he send babies to Limbo if they weren't baptized? It wasn't their fault. Why would I have to confess to a priest if God heard and saw everything I did or said, I could talk to Him myself, and did every night before I went to sleep. They would first become patient and try to answer my questions with the pat vague answers they had been taught, then they would get flustered and angry when I would push for a more detailed answer. Finally, I decided that they did not know the answers and asked my mother if I could explore other churches to see if I could find better answers to my very important questions. She gave me all of her support and we didn't tell the rest of the family of course!
I visited the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and even the Jewish Temple. I read up on the Rosicrucian's, my own people's Santeria, Wiccans and finally decided that I would have to find my own way to Spiritualism, which is what finally happened though I didn't know that it existed at the time. The best way to describe me best for most of my life would be mostly Buddhist. Mostly unintentionally! I feel that:
[*]1. God has no gender but is a God/Goddess or light from which we all sprang and which we all retain a spark of that original light. That which we call a soul. The purpose of that soul is to ultimately rejoin the light by evolving to the purity that once made us a part of that light.
[*]2. There is no evil except of our own choosing, because we were given choice. Choice gives us the ability to more forward or drag us back, making us have to add or subtract lifetimes to learn the deeper lessons of the soul.
[*]3. There is no Hell because we are in it. If you have ever read Dante's Inferno, you will note that every kind of torture or punishment imagined by man to be waiting for us in Hell, has already been and will be repeatedly inflicted by one man or race against another until there are no more men to do so.
[*]4. There are angels, I should know. I have always been told that I had one, but never believed it to be true until I had a dream about death when I was 25. it was as vivid at 45 as it was at 25 and still is. In this dream, I dreamed that I died and a wonderful glowing companion who I couldn't see stood behind my left shoulder guiding me. He answered my question and let me know that "yes" I was dead, but I had nothing to fear. I wasn't afraid in the least, and I wasn't afraid when I felt the exact same touch when I stopped breathing from shock in my late forties and we took a trip together. Someone told him to bring me back, I was not ready, so next thing I know I was waking up on the floor being shaken by panicky husband. I still wasn't afraid, I had been in the best of hands.
[*]5. Yes, I do think there are demonic entities, however, I think they are souls that have never taken human form for some reason and should be treated with much caution.
[*]6. Of course there are others in the universe! How arrogant are we that we think that in the titanic creation of this universe, we are the only sentient beings in it! The same microbes and molecules that created us were set loose on many other planets also, why not other lifeforms? We presume too much.
[*]7. Ghosts. There are strong memories, there are loops, there are attachments both pleasurable and those of unfinished business. and there are more planes of existence living side by side with ours though you don't see them. I know seeing is believing, so you'll just have to take it on faith, or wait until some spirit scares the bejeezus out of you! Lol!
[*]8. Your loved ones who pass on never leave you. Merely thinking of them brings there essence by your side though you might miss a sign they might send to tell you they are there. A song on the radio, a special bird flying nearby, your pet noticing something unseen, the light scent of a perfume on the breeze. Some small thing that you might think is just coincidence at the moment it happens and put it from your mind. You will see them again, and unfortunately, if you don't resolve hatred or hard feelings in this life, you will be drawn back to those people too. Just a word to the wise.
[*]9. Because you have the light of creation in you, you have the ability to ask for what you want and get it. Only you have to ask with the full expectation that it will happen for you, no doubts, no fear and hopefully nothing negative because that will only work against you in your next lifetime. Open yourself and allow yourself to accept all the good that life has to offer.
[*]10. Never forget to offer something good in return. Only you can tell what that is.
I'm no genius, but this is what has made the most sense to me over the years and the experiences I've had. When I divorced my ex, he had the nerve to tell me that I was really after a man with money, so I told him that not only was I not, but I would never marry again and then proceeded to tell him what would be his future until his death, in detail. It all happened, just like I said. Right down to him dying alone in his apartment, not from a heroine overdose like I thought, but, a methadone withdrawal 25 years later. After I had told our eldest son that I would give him a baby for his birthday so he would stop asking me ad nauseum; I was still only six months pregnant, and I had our third child on that very day, he always called me a "witch".
I have never prognosticated again in anger. There are just some things you shouldn't do, even unknowingly.
I visited the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists and even the Jewish Temple. I read up on the Rosicrucian's, my own people's Santeria, Wiccans and finally decided that I would have to find my own way to Spiritualism, which is what finally happened though I didn't know that it existed at the time. The best way to describe me best for most of my life would be mostly Buddhist. Mostly unintentionally! I feel that:
[*]1. God has no gender but is a God/Goddess or light from which we all sprang and which we all retain a spark of that original light. That which we call a soul. The purpose of that soul is to ultimately rejoin the light by evolving to the purity that once made us a part of that light.
[*]2. There is no evil except of our own choosing, because we were given choice. Choice gives us the ability to more forward or drag us back, making us have to add or subtract lifetimes to learn the deeper lessons of the soul.
[*]3. There is no Hell because we are in it. If you have ever read Dante's Inferno, you will note that every kind of torture or punishment imagined by man to be waiting for us in Hell, has already been and will be repeatedly inflicted by one man or race against another until there are no more men to do so.
[*]4. There are angels, I should know. I have always been told that I had one, but never believed it to be true until I had a dream about death when I was 25. it was as vivid at 45 as it was at 25 and still is. In this dream, I dreamed that I died and a wonderful glowing companion who I couldn't see stood behind my left shoulder guiding me. He answered my question and let me know that "yes" I was dead, but I had nothing to fear. I wasn't afraid in the least, and I wasn't afraid when I felt the exact same touch when I stopped breathing from shock in my late forties and we took a trip together. Someone told him to bring me back, I was not ready, so next thing I know I was waking up on the floor being shaken by panicky husband. I still wasn't afraid, I had been in the best of hands.
[*]5. Yes, I do think there are demonic entities, however, I think they are souls that have never taken human form for some reason and should be treated with much caution.
[*]6. Of course there are others in the universe! How arrogant are we that we think that in the titanic creation of this universe, we are the only sentient beings in it! The same microbes and molecules that created us were set loose on many other planets also, why not other lifeforms? We presume too much.
[*]7. Ghosts. There are strong memories, there are loops, there are attachments both pleasurable and those of unfinished business. and there are more planes of existence living side by side with ours though you don't see them. I know seeing is believing, so you'll just have to take it on faith, or wait until some spirit scares the bejeezus out of you! Lol!
[*]8. Your loved ones who pass on never leave you. Merely thinking of them brings there essence by your side though you might miss a sign they might send to tell you they are there. A song on the radio, a special bird flying nearby, your pet noticing something unseen, the light scent of a perfume on the breeze. Some small thing that you might think is just coincidence at the moment it happens and put it from your mind. You will see them again, and unfortunately, if you don't resolve hatred or hard feelings in this life, you will be drawn back to those people too. Just a word to the wise.
[*]9. Because you have the light of creation in you, you have the ability to ask for what you want and get it. Only you have to ask with the full expectation that it will happen for you, no doubts, no fear and hopefully nothing negative because that will only work against you in your next lifetime. Open yourself and allow yourself to accept all the good that life has to offer.
[*]10. Never forget to offer something good in return. Only you can tell what that is.
I'm no genius, but this is what has made the most sense to me over the years and the experiences I've had. When I divorced my ex, he had the nerve to tell me that I was really after a man with money, so I told him that not only was I not, but I would never marry again and then proceeded to tell him what would be his future until his death, in detail. It all happened, just like I said. Right down to him dying alone in his apartment, not from a heroine overdose like I thought, but, a methadone withdrawal 25 years later. After I had told our eldest son that I would give him a baby for his birthday so he would stop asking me ad nauseum; I was still only six months pregnant, and I had our third child on that very day, he always called me a "witch".
I have never prognosticated again in anger. There are just some things you shouldn't do, even unknowingly.
great post, i agree with just about everything!
QUOTE (5thd @ Oct 20 2007, 08:06 PM)
great post, i agree with just about everything!
So, why do most people think I am nuts???
I've been here for the assasination of maybe six or seven good people, who, had they lived, might have made a positive difference in our country and perhaps many others. I've seen the rise and long-lasting influence of evil men who take power for themselves and squeeze what they can out of their own people, no matter the suffering caused. I've seen the fear of what one country's jealousy for another will drive them to. Genocide. An ugly word for an even uglier crime. I've seen Holy books, no longer teaching about God's abundant love of all, peace and gentle forgiveness, but His books pounded on with righteous fervor, promising Hell and damnation to most and nothing less than eternal heavenly salvation to the few who are true believers. To some it is up to the true believers to smite God's wrath upon them that do not believe in their God, thier way. To others, there must be Armageddeon to fulfill the true prophecies.
Meanwhile, the ecosystem is allowed to go to edge of destruction, our beautiful creatures are dying, choking on our waste and our air is killing us while we make it worse by the day. If we know nothing else, we have to know that we are the keepers of the Earth that we all live on, and we can't even handle that right.
Makes you wonder if the Earth itself doesn't have a consciousness of it's own and is just now retaliating against our tangressions against her.
Meanwhile, the ecosystem is allowed to go to edge of destruction, our beautiful creatures are dying, choking on our waste and our air is killing us while we make it worse by the day. If we know nothing else, we have to know that we are the keepers of the Earth that we all live on, and we can't even handle that right.
Makes you wonder if the Earth itself doesn't have a consciousness of it's own and is just now retaliating against our tangressions against her.
'mariposa1'....THAT was a truely inspiring Opening Post.....Thanks for taking the trouble to share all
that....I can identify with the things you are saying.
And THIS post gave me 'the energy rush'....do you know what I mean? Tears sprang into my
eyes...the energy tingles went whoosh all over my body...they haven't died down yet. I don't
know who you are...etc etc...but you just TOUCHED me...oh yes...
YOU are most definitely not nuts...... ....... 
that....I can identify with the things you are saying.
QUOTE (mariposa1 @ Oct 16 2007, 09:57 PM)
You are very welcome. I hope I made coherent sense. I did not have a very smooth ride and spent most of my life trying to figure out "Why me? Why is it always me?". I was born poor in East Harlem, but never felt poor until others made me feel poor. I was victimized by a predator but never felt like a victim, only a worthy adversary (even though I was only a child), and I WON! Bad choices followed me wherever I went, but somehow I was always able to pull my butt out of the coals. I finally realized that dealing with my choices was winning half of the battle and then making the best I could out of the rest could be my reward. Now I can count my blessings instead of my failings. More people should try it.
And THIS post gave me 'the energy rush'....do you know what I mean? Tears sprang into my
eyes...the energy tingles went whoosh all over my body...they haven't died down yet. I don't
know who you are...etc etc...but you just TOUCHED me...oh yes...
QUOTE (mariposa1 @ Oct 23 2007, 07:05 PM)
So, why do most people think I am nuts???
YOU are most definitely not nuts......
....... QUOTE (bee @ Oct 29 2007, 03:04 PM)
'mariposa1'....THAT was a truely inspiring Opening Post.....Thanks for taking the trouble to share all
that....I can identify with the things you are saying.
And THIS post gave me 'the energy rush'....do you know what I mean? Tears sprang into my
eyes...the energy tingles went whoosh all over my body...they haven't died down yet. I don't
know who you are...etc etc...but you just TOUCHED me...oh yes...
YOU are most definitely not nuts...... .......
that....I can identify with the things you are saying.
And THIS post gave me 'the energy rush'....do you know what I mean? Tears sprang into my
eyes...the energy tingles went whoosh all over my body...they haven't died down yet. I don't
know who you are...etc etc...but you just TOUCHED me...oh yes...
YOU are most definitely not nuts......
....... Thanks for that. But really, there are so many more like me out there you would be surprised. Maybe not the fighter that I am, I get that from my father's side. Finding peace from a lifetime of falling into holes is not easy is it? It took me 50 years, damn what a long trip! I found an old gay 75 yr old on another forum that was so angry and so bitter, that the first thing that I thought was, "How sad, to feel like that to the very end." I am glad that my sons, two of whom are also gay, do not feel the same. They rejoice in life and leave the bitterness to others. All three know that I have no favorites and there is no competition. My life expectancy is not too long I'm afraid, the conditions are piling up. I think I'll beat that too! But if I don't, there is no unfinished business. They can figure out the paperwork. And I have no fear whatsoever, my guide and I will take another trip together one last time. I really want to see what he looks like!
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