I have had numerous dreams of falling, flying and seeing myself sleep. One time I was asleep, and all the sudden I was watching myself sleep, and I could feel myself slowly floating upward and I had no control. I wasn't scared, but peaceful. I saw myself sleep, and I could feel that my head was connected to my body, with what felt like a thin string. Before I could get where I was going, I was sucked back into my body, and I woke up. My face was in the exact position that I saw it in. Is this Astral Projection?

it definatly sounds like it, i am sure it is, though i have not had much progress in it.

It is called dreaming.

It's Lucid Dreaming or other dreaming. As has been stated in more than a few recent threads - even by the Astral Projection believers ..>> there is NO credible or verifiable evidence that such (Astral Projection) is going on and NOT for lack of research!!

The only so called evidence that is submited is pure 100% Subjective = in the mind of the person only and only in the mind of the person, nothing more and nothing less.

Now that does not mean you shouldn't enjoy the dream. No by all means enjoy it totally and explore it totally.

Here is a fun little test that you can do at home to prove that it is Lucid Dreaming and nothing more: The Simple Test Link

Notice only 1 person has volunteered to try this - notice that all the other 'believeres' in this argue it, excuse themselves and "rationalize" it away. U have to ask why the "fear factor" --> Simple ... it would reveal what they do not wish to accept. Just that simple.

Use a little common sense, rational thinking and know the difference between Subjective "Evidence" and Objective Evidence and you'll go far!

Hi Jj

Okay im gonna go with you for a minute here and say okay its lucid dreaming . Im not convinced fully yet your gonna have to work on me a little harder

i read a case last night of pam reynolds the only woman to ever experience NDE when all the scientific equipment stated she was dead. not for a minute or two either she was dead for two hours . she was put to death whilst they operated on her to remove an aneurysm. so this cant be signals from the dying brain can it ?? so if as you say "its all in the mind " and the mind is of the brain . How is this possible ?

I know this still isnt proof .but if everything i correct and this is really what happened its the closest ive seen so far . have a look over the article for me cause i cant see how this can be ?? She was as dead as anyone has ever been . SCIENTIFICALLY she was DEAD.

thanks and i trust you wont bash me LOL i know im alwasy throwing articles around LOL but its to help me too im learning about this and looking for the truth too The thing i dont get if is the answer was so easy as LUCID DREAMING surely these scienitsts and doctors wouldn't bother with all this research and would just state it as such .

link



i know you might think im a pain in the ass and this doesn't prove anything and is still sujective but i would still like to here yours and anyone elses thougths

Blessings

SS79 x x x x

SS079 -

I don't bash people. I challenge and some times in their 'face' so to speak. But I do not 'bash'.

Plus to be pretty straight forward - You've given me no 'copped attitude' or anything else. I actually respect your direct questions and links and you have given me. It tells me you are looking to find out, in your own way: Lucid Dream? Astral Projection? So on this I aplaud you!!

Ok, I've read the link. Notice the title: "... of an amazing near-death experience of a woman ..." also notice that this related to a very credible and validated N.D.E. It wasn't "Sleepy Time" comfortable in your bedroom under a nice warm blanket. No ... she was dying in the literally since of the word.

Now N.D.E.'s are NOT even in the same league as the posts here on UM of "Astral Projection" - I am 100% sure NONE of them were even close to being "near deaths door" as this woman was. Not even talking, if you will "apples and apples". It would be better we are talking about her experience as being pure water and these experiences being 'mud'. Not the same.

Plus note there was documentation of her physical condition and such. This is very well documented. But the members here on UM are masters at avoiding any test personal or other wise that would affirm: Astral Projection or Lucid Dreams. In fact I will go on record as stating: THEY ARE AFRAID of the tests - because they will find out - it's dream and that would crush their "New Age Fantasy Life". They are afraid of Objective Evidence - they want to stay in the comfort zone of the Subjective Reality.

So with this NO SMALL avoidance - it is clear to see .... they know the Objective Truth of this --- they just do not want to admit it. Sigh ............

Respectfully: Jj

Hi Jj .



okay sorry about the bash comment but i meant it in a nice way as a joke LOL i have dry humour and yes it can be taken the wrong way so srry




thanks. I respect your imput .





Okay a couple of questions on this .

First off well for me anyway i see astral projection and obe as it could be two similar but some what seperate things. astral projection for me kinda assumes that one visits the so called astral plane where things are not like they are here . i have never had this experience . but what i have had is what i will call OBE which is when the soul if you like. stays close too the physical plane. and never enters that magical place they call the astral plane . so everything that i see during this experience is what we would see in everyday waking conciousness . it isnt any more dream like than when im sat here. typing to you really . apart from the fact that i am aware that i am not viewing everything with the physical eyes . and am outside of myself really.

so whats an obe and what does research into it try to prove . that the conciousness can survive being seperated from the body . now lets look at the lady in the nde she wasnt DYING she was DEAD ( she was scientifically dead all means of testing proved she was dead ) . So there was evidence that she was viewing this without conciousness being in her body. no brain waves. brain dead . so we kinda have to accept the fact that her conciousness was seperate ? so then if thats the case why can't it be that we can somehow switch views while not near death or dead . while we are comfortable under our duvet or awake and comfy on a couch even . no matter where we are, the fact is if conciousness can survive the brain. then some might. not all, but some might be able to do this at will and not necessarily when they are at the brink of death ?

sorry if my wordings all off and its hard to understand . i hope you can understand what im tring to ask here . i find my thoughts run faster than my fingers at times.

blessings SS79 x x x x

Some pointers into critical commentary on the Pam Reynolds case appear in a letter to New Scientist,

http://environment.newscientist.com/articl...h-evidence.html

Its tricky, SS79. Fascinating, but tricky.

hiya eight

yeahi is tricky but very fascinating well for me LOL . I'm trying to see it from both sides and each day i find something and think yeah it could be this and then something that says no it couldn't LOL i feel like i'm on a merry go round sometimes . but i enjoy reading about all this and hearing others views on it . like the article you showed me gives me doubts of course but it doesnt convince me . theres too much other stuff that needs to be considered .

I find it hard because i have seen evidence of remote viiewing and some other abilities that aren't the "norm". so i cant just shrug this off and say .oh yeah its lucid deaming. it seems thats too easy well for me it is . for me its nothing like lucid dreaming . in the fact that its normal .its as if i was remote viewing the only difference being that my body (loosest sense of the word ) seems to be there too LOL (does that make sense )

At the moment im terming myself on the fence <-- see the pained expression LOL so im no further on really one way or the other in knowing the TRUTH and maybe i never will be unless scientist get off the hinds and do some real good fool poof reearch but i guess i'll have to wait bit for that . "sigh " and even then would it ever be enough or would it still come down to people needing to have their own experiece before they really accept and then thats not enough cause its subjecive la la la la

blessings ss79 x x x

OOBE and AP researchers have proven on several ocaisions that the human soul/spirit can leave the body, walk into another room, collect evidence and return back to the body.

Robert Monroe did this study several times.

I keep an open mind to this people like to exaggerate and lie to make themselves more credible.

However, if you believe you are capable doing something like AP/OOBE then test yourself. Walk through a wall or go some place you know of to investigate any change after you awake.

Actually I would like to see this Study Referenced please..... I have failed to see any credible evidence that OBE and AP are even closely related w/any credible or verifiable research --- that isn't biased from the start: IE: Seeking only to prove this and not being seriously OBJECTIVE about it .....

It's a warm fuzzy New Age 'wanna bee' belief -- but it's a dream only - literally and technically.