Beckys_Mom
Oct 22 2007, 01:47 AM
This thread is hypothetical I must stress this before I continue....When I type in the words What IF?? <---only used as hypothetical ...nothing more
So if you can break away from your reality for a few moments ..think about this...
Lets pretend a number of church leaders got together and decided that evolution was too real and there was no point in hiding from it, and they decided to do away with the OT...further more -more churches over the country followed...they decided that God meant for things to evolve and that man had to figure it out as time went by ect
(remember this is hypothetical)
What do you think people would do??
Would they follow the leader?? Panic?? Riot a lot and then panic some more because of a few changes???
WHAT if this really happened?
Just think...church after church..hundreds of church leaders all agreeing with that idea on evolution ...they believe their bible was not translated properly and do away with the OT well most of it lol
WHat would happen to Christianity??
the14u2cee
Oct 22 2007, 02:02 AM
I don't think (and i speak for myself) that it would cause that big of a shake up, i always tell people that God made man and woman then man and woman made little men and women and so on. I believe its the same with the animals, things evolve that's nature..
glorybebe
Oct 22 2007, 02:06 AM
QUOTE (the14u2cee @ Oct 21 2007, 07:02 PM)

I don't think (and i speak for myself) that it would cause that big of a shake up, i always tell people that God made man and woman then man and woman made little men and women and so on. I believe its the same with the animals, things evolve that's nature..
I think there woudl be a lot of controversy and many mad people. It would take generations for it to catch on, and there would be new churches popping up all over to keep to the traditional teachings. As in our past history, there would be opposition, then slowly it would be accepted.
JMPD1
Oct 22 2007, 02:52 AM
A lot of people would still disbelieve, thinking that the leaders of their various sects were being misled. Some would even claim that those leaders were under the influence of satan.
In fact, I daresay that there are some who would continue to pooh-pooh evolution unless their own god thumped them in the head and said "Listen ignatz....." and even then they would have their doubts.
Humans are a funny lot. Once they have made up their minds about something, they will not be swayed by facts or other peoples viewpoints.
IamsSon
Oct 22 2007, 03:12 AM
When we realized the Earth wasn't flat, people probably thought that would be the end of religion/Christianity... but no
When we realized the Earth was not the center of the universe, people probably thought that would be the end of religion/Christianity... but no
When we realized that we could leave the planet and go to the moon, some people probably thought that would be the end of religion/Christianity... but no
If church leaders got together and decided to change the Bible their church/denomination used, it would probably lead to the end of some of those denominations, but since for many of us our Christianity rests on our personal relationship with God and our absolute knowledge of Him and not on what some human says, then nothing a human says will necessarily change it in any discernible way.
Frankly, if it were to be proven that animals of one kind do over millions of years change into another kind, all that would mean to me is that I obviously misunderstood what was written in the Bible, it would in no way impact my relationship with God.
Mr Walker
Oct 22 2007, 03:32 AM
But of course it has already actually happened, and we can see/evaluate the results quite clearly. Perhaps a majority of christian churches and followers(certainly outside the US) have already come to this conclusion. The catholic and Anglican churches world wide have quite explicity stated their belief in evolution and that this does not negate the role /existence of god.
Most christians may still believe in god, but relatively few accept the creation story as literal fact. Increasingly they question the whole literal validity of the bible. The consequences have been that people who chose to believe go their own way, either into existing fundamentalist churches or into new ones. Probably only in middle america(geographic not social reference) do large enough numbers of peole still believe in lteral creationism for this to be an issue.
One negative side effect has been the lessened authority of gods laws within civil society, leading to large scale destruction of the social fabric of western societies. Many people see this as a good thing, accompanied as it has been by an increase in personal freedom and diversity of tolerable beliefs, but it comes at a huge cost which those existing within the "present" of their societies do not have the cultural perspective to see.
Godofcats
Oct 22 2007, 04:17 AM
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Oct 21 2007, 09:47 PM)

This thread is hypothetical I must stress this before I continue....When I type in the words What IF?? <---only used as hypothetical ...nothing more
So if you can break away from your reality for a few moments ..think about this...
Lets pretend a number of church leaders got together and decided that evolution was too real and there was no point in hiding from it, and they decided to do away with the OT...further more -more churches over the country followed...they decided that God meant for things to evolve and that man had to figure it out as time went by ect
(remember this is hypothetical)
What do you think people would do??
Would they follow the leader?? Panic?? Riot a lot and then panic some more because of a few changes???
WHAT if this really happened?
Just think...church after church..hundreds of church leaders all agreeing with that idea on evolution ...they believe their bible was not translated properly and do away with the OT well most of it lol
WHat would happen to Christianity??
i think it would cause a huge deal. if that happened you would see the same religion attacking the same religion (violently and or verbally). to me it wouldn't be a big deal. evolution deosn't disprove god at all as some atheist claim. but i would not follow.
actually i believe in evolution......though i don't believe in evolution the same as most people. i believe humaniods threwout time have become smarter, bigger, stronger, more civilized as time goes on. becuase we learn more, know how to take care of ourselfs better and what not. i just don't believe an explosion (or should i say an "exspansion" now that science has changed yet agian from what i was taught in science in high school) that was created seemingly by chance, i believe god did everything. also i don't believe humans were first tiny creatures that crawled out of "soup", i believe we were always humans that god created. but actually the bible does say humans were made from dirt.....there is actually similarities there. i believe god made us from dirt others believe we crawled out of "soup" (if you call it anything other than soup like slime or gunk or what ever atheist get mad...it has to be "soup")
Paranoid Android
Oct 22 2007, 05:39 AM
I think if all the churches stood up and said that evolution was too real and they believed that now, there would be little change in Christianity. However, if they started tearing up large chunks of their Bible as a result, I think the fallout would be massive. I'd stop going to church, for one - probably make a small-group Bible study with friends from church who believed the same, because I hardly think that many of them would agree to just throw parts of the Bible away.
Though exactly why they would consider doing that would be a mystery to me - I do not think the Bible contradicts the idea of evolution in the first place, so there would be no reason to tear up the Old Testament.
Cadetak
Oct 22 2007, 06:07 AM
It would create another sect of christianity...those who keep to the old ways and those who go with the new pro-evolution ways.
Beckys_Mom
Oct 22 2007, 02:34 PM
I believe it would keep the old sec of christianity but very very little...they would be a minority <--a few of you have more or less said this
But over time, if more and more churches turned the same way...accepting evolution and starting fresh...still worshiping Jesus ..ect..I think only a minority would remain in the old ways..and I seriously do believe they would die out in the end
Every other generation after generation will soon believe God was responsibile for evolution...it would be taught in scools more so than it is now...and I would dare say the fights against evolutionists and creationists would fade
Ravinar
Oct 22 2007, 03:06 PM
QUOTE (Godofcats @ Oct 22 2007, 05:17 AM)

also i don't believe humans were first tiny creatures that crawled out of "soup", i believe we were always humans that god created. but actually the bible does say humans were made from dirt.....there is actually similarities there. i believe god made us from dirt others believe we crawled out of "soup" (if you call it anything other than soup like slime or gunk or what ever atheist get mad...it has to be "soup")
we get mad because people like you use a straw man argument to define what science says.
definition of a straw man argument:
"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted."
definition sorc....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manit shows great ignorance and bias to what science says.
anyway to address the OP: some would accept it some would be stuck in the old ways. but in time more and more people would accept it and maybe the atheist and the theists could finely get along
Beckys_Mom
Oct 22 2007, 03:14 PM
What is useless to this thread is
QUOTE (Ravinar @ Oct 22 2007, 04:06 PM)

we get mad because people like you use a straw man argument to define what science says.
definition of a straw man argument:
"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. Often, the straw man is set up to deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted."
definition sorc....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manit shows great ignorance and bias to what science says.
What this thread is actually about is
QUOTE
anyway to address the OP: some would accept it some would be stuck in the old ways. but in time more and more people would accept it and maybe the atheist and the theists could finely get along

Because you used your imagination
This is not an evolution V's Creationist debate...it is simply what I stated it was a hypothetical thread, asking people to use their imaginations...a big WHAT IF??
Beckys_Mom
Oct 22 2007, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ Oct 22 2007, 06:39 AM)

- I do not think the Bible contradicts the idea of evolution in the first place, so there would be no reason to tear up the Old Testament.
This thread is not about what you think in reality ..bible v's evolution PA...I made this simply for the
hypothetical reason...to see how many can imagine WHAT IF?that last part of your statement..can easily rustle up another evolution v's bible dates...and I prefer to keep it OFF here if you dont mind
raoulduke666
Oct 22 2007, 03:37 PM
I myself am Catholic and I firmly believe Evolution over Creation any day and when I finally realized this I pretty much said to myself, "ah..what can I do?" Do I think Adam and Eve could have possibly been the first humans with intelligence and in some way tied with God? I doubt it but there is always a chance. Point is, I don't think anything really serious would happen. I don't see anything as far and riots and or anything violent happening. Maybe some protests and demonstrations and you know there will always be people that believe Creation any day no matter whatever anyone says to them,...even the Pope. Hell, with technology becoming more advanced each day I believe the population is slowly starting to realize it and Evolution is more probable than God creating everything out of absolutely nothing, I mean not in time during when humans were evolving though. Lol sounds like I'm contradicting myself but thats was I really believe.
~HaParash~
Oct 22 2007, 07:35 PM
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Oct 21 2007, 06:47 PM)

they decided to do away with the OT...
I stopped reading here. Christianity can't do away with the OT. If it does, it isn't Christianity, and all 1.7 billion people would either have to convert to Judaism or admit that their religion is stupid, illogical, and false. Without Judaism, Christianity can't be true.
Beckys_Mom
Oct 22 2007, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Knight of Zion (COI) @ Oct 22 2007, 08:35 PM)

I stopped reading here. Christianity can't do away with the OT.
You obviously cant read and understand what the word - hypothetical actually means..you have just wasted my time ...please dont respond again if you cant read it right
Something Like Laughter
Oct 22 2007, 09:02 PM
This happened, sort of, in the 19th and early 20th century America, and it resulted in the fundamentalist (theological term) and modernist movements within Christianity.
~HaParash~
Oct 23 2007, 07:05 PM
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Oct 22 2007, 12:49 PM)

You obviously cant read and understand what the word - hypothetical actually means..you have just wasted my time ...please dont respond again if you cant read it right
I completely understand that you said hypothetical...you asked "if this happend...then what happens to Christianity" I simply gave my answer to your question. Just because the answer doesn't suit you, doesn't mean that you have the right to assume I have misread your post
atom286
Oct 23 2007, 07:14 PM
If I was to say that a beehive is a beehive because of the bees genetics most people would agree.
If I said human society was the way it is because of human genetics I don't think many could argue with that either.
So why can't heaven be heaven because of the genetics of its inhabitants and why can't heaven also be the final outcome of Darwins Theory of Evolution.
Beckys_Mom
Oct 23 2007, 11:35 PM
QUOTE (Something Like Laughter @ Oct 22 2007, 10:02 PM)

This happened, sort of, in the 19th and early 20th century America, and it resulted in the fundamentalist (theological term) and modernist movements within Christianity.
I'd like to read a lil more on that if you don't mind
Cheers
ConservativePessimist
Oct 23 2007, 11:54 PM
Remember Wittenburg.
Beckys_Mom
Oct 23 2007, 11:56 PM
QUOTE (ConservativePessimist @ Oct 24 2007, 12:54 AM)

Remember Wittenburg.
sorry???
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