Everyone lives, everyone dies....our mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, everyone around us, will eventually die... everone on this site will be dead in atleast 100yrs, we will be placed into the coldness of our shallow graves, why? why do waste the time given in between? Time that is known as life? Violence, injustice, corruption, poverty, adultery, hatred, suffering and the list goes on...but why? Why do we know the value of life yet refuse to value it? It begs the question...is life a gift or a curse?

Life is an opportunity...to.......

We have a choice to just exist... or utilize it... savour it..... be an example to ourselves... to others... to draw... attract... what we choose...We can make it joyful...an adventure...

I recall reading.. Conversations with God.... according to 'god'... the only true sin... is living in boredom... life is a gift of potential experiences...
Time is something to measure our progress...the stairway of life...

Why do we always strive to exceed our current expectations?
It's instinctive nature to move forward, but you need the good and the bad to balance.

To some it's an opportunity to live, be free, and take advantage of what is possible. To others, it's a curse of being a plague to existance, so bleak and mysterious. And to some, it just is, like every other thing there is.

It's how you look at it that makes the difference. We will either never know why, or we will find out that the answer is simply it is because it is and because it isn't. A continous loop which always revolves back and fourth as time moves forward and backwards.

Until death, it's fun to explore the imagination, because beyond the physical world, the mind is another wonderful place, that can take you many different places without waiting beyond death.

Don't look to what it will be like after death, but look at what will be 1 second from now, or 1 second it has been. Enjoy what is good and the bad, and make yourself feel great. Living in mystery is extremly interesting yet dangerous, then again, isn't our existance just as unstable?

You did not answer my question...but i have another, with so many choices for us, freewill, why are these choices often evil? And if life is an opportunity, then, if so, what we achieve from this becomes pointless when we die, why? If its effect last then people will only remember you but you are still dead. And if life is a gift, why is that gift taken from us? Was it even a gift to begin with?

To answer your question, there will never be an absolute accurate answer. You can reach the brim of 99.9 to the millionth power accuracy, but you can never be so accurate; because then, you would hold the key to everyones question...

Life is both a gift and a curse, although both words were conceived to replicate emotional being, it can never describe such a unique feeling. We all are human, thus our emotional core is relatively the same. One thing might be a curse to you but a gift to another. What makes something bad? The idea that it doesn't comfort us? or its against religion.. what ever it may be. The same for the good.

It is a gift to be able to experience and feel such intense emotions; while being a curse to be born, cause havoc on the surroundings, and death lurking at the door.

It's also pretty boring, to be just nothing. 1,2,3.. time to be!!


... then again, what is nothing?

If life is only to be enjoyed, then it means it has no divine significance, wich means humans have no original purpose, so that means God did not create us rather we are the result of human evolution sparked by the reaction of already existing particles...but even then that means our life has no meaning, the world might not exist tomorrow, there maybe nothing for millions of years, look at it how you want, just tell me... what, is the purpose of this or that, God exists or not, we still suffer,we still die

So life is a continuos chain and in life people have different perceptions of good and evil? But who sets the rule? Humans? Truly all we can do is live through life whatever its meaning. A dead person cant remember, so once we die it will be like you never existed at all, only the living will know but you cease to exist, this mind your using too will cease to exist, so we have no way of treasuring the life we have lived, As time goes by you are eventually forgotten...makes it all seem kind of pointless....

I'd say that the soul...our mind ...(when unencumbered by our body and it's DNA limited memory) continues on...


...note how when one supposedly meditates... dreams...( has out of body experiences) it is open...has access to more memories....a greater capacity for thinking... limited only by our understanding the conceptualizing our host brain...

I think our bodies are there just to ground our minds..spirit...and has 'self imposed'? experiential restrictions...limited by our expectations...and our socio economic,,belief centered 'climate' that we live in...

Just as our bodies can be trained to use enhance our genetically predestined potentials like those contortionists... martial artists... artists of all types... we too could train our minds...use yogic skills to heal ourselves...perhaps even increase our lifespans...

expand our awareness....

I believe our potential is vastly greater than we think/believe...





If we find a way to excercise our minds... brains... just like contortionists or martial artist can manipulate their bodies... ?????

Death and sleep are on different levels and are associated with different realms. We have no experience of death, not until you yourself have died, therefore it is hard for you and ME to draw conclusions. However, we experience death around us, from that we can see that the 'human' reaches its final stage at death. To speak of heaven, hell and celestial biengs is to do with faith, not what we can see, touch or hear. Belief in E.Ts, spirits and ghosts depends on individual interpretations like the above too

If life is only to be enjoyed, why would that mean it has no divine significance?

Life is a gift to some and a curse to others. It very much depends on how you approach living. If you are always thinking of what might happen after this life then you'll very soon find that this life has completely passed you by.

I guess then you'll find out if it was worth all the worry.

I don't think life necessarily is a gift. That would also be tied to faith, because who was the gift-giver? I think the point IS that we don't know what the point is. If there is any kind of after life, it may be explained then, but we have no way of determining that. If we just disappear after we die, then I am assuming we don't care if anyone remembers us or not, so do what you want with the time you do have. If you take faith out of the equation, then there can be no evil and no good, and all choices become equal. Life is just life, and the cosmos may not care whether you enjoy it or not. It's all up to you.

You are right, if life is only to be enjoyed, why should that mean life has no divine significance... so I guess God exists for nothing, just to watch us live pointlessly, maybe God finds enjoyment in this himself... I mean, if life can have divine significance but is there only to be enjoyed, then there is no reason for God to exist is there? Assuming that God does exist that is, if something is given a divine significance, it has a purpose... we live or die, 'God' loses nothing, gains nothing...

To some its a curse,never geting a break no love suffering illness,to others a gift to survive an deadly experiance ,winning the lotto and things like that.We all know how value of life but only a few act on it.

Reach point B from point A, reach point A from point B.
Repeat this infinitely and there you have it.

And point C? Or does that not exist?

I beg to differ on the "life is pointless" thing. No matter what you do your existance on this planet would have somehow effected the way things happen on this planet, even if only by a little. If Captain Cook didn't discover Australia for example it would have lead to a whole different chain of events. You might not be aware of the events you set into play, positive or negative, but you still do it therefore you leave an effect on this planet caused by you to carry on after you die and therefore your life is not pointless. Its the effects you cause that may be.

Why can't you hold the key to everyone's question? What forbids it?



Life isn't either a gift or a curse imo because I somehow doubt that whatever caused humanity to be born upon this planet didn't have the same emotional status as we do, not being able to contemplate at the time gift or curse. But seeing as humans like everything understandable in their own terms even when there really isn't an answer I guess it would be up to you whether life is a curse or a gift or "nothing" or "something" or w/e you want it to be.



The complete and utter absence of something where something is everything, even conceivability.

The original purpouse of humsn is to make better humans to survive better on this planet. Somewhere along the line we entered the top of the food chain and then our purpouse became to continue surviving as we are but to do it better. Eventually lead to where we are now with computers and such.

The world might not exist right now and it may not have existed 2 seconds ago what's your point?

Suffering is up to you even when it seems that it isn't. Every human being has a phinominal ability to completely change their life around at will. The purpouse of life/yourself is to satisfy yourself because all anyone really lives for is themselves if you think about it. You feel unsatisfied with not knowing the answer to a question you have therefore you try and satisfy yourself by looking for an answer.

If God exists then I somehow severely doubt he is going to interfere directly with life simply because he doesn't need to. Human beings already have the ability to be "God-like" in the sense of loving, helping people in need etc. If we truely believe in this "God" figure then we should be able to do what we feel to be the goodness ourselves. Yet for some reason people feel that the "goodness" is going to church and then speaking to "God" to help out the little kids in Africa. At points like these I start questioning "How the hell?" The real "God" is the person that actually gets off their ass and goes and helps, understanding WHY comes later.

The only place "God" can exist is within you because the only place you can understand what He/She/It is is in you because that is where all understanding occurs.

I also beg to differ, our existence is pointless, not our actions. Yes, our smallest actions do have, even the slightest, impact on the future but even if you and I ceased to exist, the world would not. If captain cook did'nt discover austrailia then someone else would have(eg.you dont feed the poor, someone else will)though it may have a different aftermath than the present, it is like the Temporal order, fixed, our actions are'nt a neccesity as another may do it if we dont, maybe even with better results

Again PsiSeeker,"The only place "God" can exist is within you because the only place you can understand what He/She/It is is in you because that is where all understanding occurs." Now there's some Truth.. I can only hope that this doe's not get tossed in the religious bin along with my article on The Cosmic Agenda. It's all relative to how WE are perceiving and ultimately Understanding our own predicament....

If God exists within us then when we die does God die too? Our understanding is limited so is God limited in some ways too? Saying that God exists within us because thats where understanding comes from is like saying God is a figment of our imagination or that he only exists to humans.
And what is my point? If you think im trying to make a point then you must've read something that was'nt there.
My purpose for these posts must remain unknown otherwise i would not get the answers that i am looking for...

jaks.ko.ex "My purpose for these posts must remain unknown otherwise i would not get the answers that i am looking for..."??????????LOL!! Die, interesting concept, I'll ponder that!!..

How can your existance be pointless but not your actions? That's a contradictory statement. How do you define the difference?

Where do you think I exist dude? Where do you think everyone you have ever met exists? As people around the world? Or concepts within your head... Nothing exists outside of you relative to you because there is no way to perceive it in that fashion. If you die the rest of humanity doesn't die. Why should God be limited to you? The only place anything exists are within you, in your brain as perceived concepts. Whe you have a conversation with someone your not really having a conversation with them, your brain is having a conversation with what you define to be "you" from stimuli it receives from your 5 senses. The actual "existance" part still occurs within you. When you die your existance dies within this reality along with your perception within this reality, this reality plunders on even though it enters a state of "nothing" relative to you from your perception of it after death from your previous existance.

God is a figment of your imagination yes, but so is everything else.

If you aren't trying to make a point then why do you have a purpose of posting to begin with?

How can you look for an answer if you remain adamant with your views?

Here's a metaphor to explain life - I believe life IS a gift, infact, a gift voucher (like one of those presents you get form your senile great auntie on Christmas). You do what you like with the gift, and whether you spend it on something good or bad is up to you.

Besides, life always has its ups. Feelings like happiness and joy and love only come from one place - life. So without life, there would be none of that.

And maybe here is something after life? I'm not saying I think tehre is, but maybe. Even with modern medical science, what exactly happens after death? Do you cease to think? Does the resounding energy in your body leave, and somber away to become particles in the air? Are you left with your subconscious, constantly replaying it's thoughts throughout your life? Or does your brain energy manifest somewhere else, in something else - effectively reincarnating? These are the big questions, so stick with what you know - life is the bringer of all things good.

Putting religion aside...human beings are a species, and like others we are born because of our parents. You could say we can be grateful of our existence because of them. Why do other species exist? Because they are a matter of reproduction and subject to evolution. Therefore you can hypothesise that the our purpose of life is to reproduce life. There are many reasons why some choose to reproduce, and they would care for their offspring and hope that they would care back. Therefore you can hypothesise that our reason to continue life is to care for your elders. But everyone has their own perception and goals. Everything in between is up to you. Having ambitions, being a good citizen and caring for others is all in all helping others and yourself to gaurantee reproduction.

Samo

jaks,

Other people will never answer questions like the ones you are asking. Answers for these questions have to come from ourselves, not others. Only you can decide if your life is a gift or a curse. You have your own interpretation of 'divine' and so you consider a life lived purely to enjoy the experiences it offers pointless? You first have to prove there is a point to not living your life for this reason.

For those who argue that life cannot be a 'gift' because they don't believe in any deity consider that gift might not mean your life was created by some higher being. It might just mean it is cherished by the one living that life.

Living, Giving, Learning And SAVING!...and you did,nt Answer my Death question,? Life is Beyond Perception, Reality is NOW, What YOU acknowledge And Accept!?.. Answer your self, lOOk Within, be Profound,.. and ignore criticism...

Psi, there are many living organisms that dont have a brain or mind, the sun, this world, bacteria, and so on... do they, too, only percieve what is around them, to be real? You contradict yourself too, if God does truly exist as a divine bieng, then wether our brain acknowledges God or not, he should exist should'nt he? The sun, plants etc, were created/pogrammed to do what they do right? So what were created/programmed to do? I dont mean things like love, reproduce etc.. ultimate purpose? Is there one?

I know what you will say, the sun and world cannot percieve but if they could, it would be just like us... well dont, the suns purpose is to sustain life on earth and earths purpose is to contain all the elements inorder for life to exist and progress... now tell me of our ultimate purpose... not that we should love and reproduce but a real answer... something about a higher purpose,..

"...he who answers his own questions, will not gain new knowledge or understanding..."

You contradict yourself, an yet you expect to get REAL answer's, How can YOU KNOW and not UNDERSTAND,? You expect some form of REALITY but at the same TIME denie it, You don't wan't Answer's either, you wan't Question's, You,re Question isn't WHY, It's How, HOW YOU and Your Kind Do What You Do, You Seek but What?? Not Truth but Some perverted justice, Now either I,ll get Banned or You rack off!,...and talk some sense!

I think the mind itself is an anomoly in this form of reality to be honest. I find it difficult to believe that "God" can be floating around out there somewhere as this "mind" kind of thing in this reality. So far most things in this reality obey the laws of physics/chemistry we have defined. A rock won't ever have the same perceptual abilities as living organisms do. The sun isn't a living organism I wouldn't think but bacteria, aren't we made up of a similiar kind of cell structure at the very core of our being? Our complexity is just a lot greater is all.

Your purpose depends on your environment I would think. Kids in Africa aren't going to care about why the sun does what it does, they're going to care about the meal they eat. Similiarly your purpose is to find answers for questions you ask. You feel completed when you find these answers however most answers lead to more questions so its a rather long cycle. Purpose is to feel complete and you create your own porpose, your own way to "completion."

Tell me man... Do you honestly think some higher entity decided to put the sun where it is and the earth where it is? From where I'm sitting our existance is possibly one of the greatest anomolies in this universe.

Our ultimate purpose is to feel happy. With true happiness all other problems fall away. Its more difficult for some to find it, but once you do its more worth the while. Your way to happiness might be different from other's. You want answers to questions you seek, you may never get these questions but never stop questing because you never know...

But he who doesn't will never know his own limits of knowledge/understanding

Everyone has a different way of finding answers dude... He reminds me of me I remember a serious post I made awhile ago about God. In the end I never got any answers but atleast I got more understanding of what I was looking for.

psi, I agree with most of your views, does'nt matter what the truth is in the end, because we decide what to believe in and how to perceive this realm and even God... and, yes, some people ponder about how to feed their starving children rather than what to feed them let alone what is their purpose... I guess everyone has to find their own purpose and their 'own God'... Life is more of a journey rather than a gift or curse, some have a good journey, others dont... God, well he keeps an epicstemic distance

Er...i think i spelt that word wrong, oh, and belowhim or what ever you call your self, why all that anger? You dont like my posts? cool, but no one is asking you to read my posts, i assume you are going to reply to this, so, then by all means, please continue to read my posts, lose your marbles and go crazy... nice to know im reaching out to someone... have a nice day...

p.s. by the way if you could'nt tell, i was bieng sarcastic, except for the go crazy part, that, you are welcome to do whenever ok....

I guess you're not fall in love yet......... if it is why not seek answers in it....
Having love ones is the ultimate reason for me to live... or for us to live...

We are the one who are causing the pains within us..... we are trying to be a slave of our minds or for somebody or someone... or thinking to have purpose other than to feel happy.

Our common goal, "seek everything".... and if we finds it then its boring afterwards... then lets find another... Goodness!!... I doubt we are not here to play hide and seek...

Like you said.... we only live once...... why not make something out of it...... make yourself happy of doing things that won't do harmful to others, coz' others do also things happy for themselves, lets share good things.

We live not because of the purpose of serving divine deity( in my opinion). If there's a God why should He create things just to love Him, serve Him, etc.... I don't doubt that God is too powerful, seeking understanding from weaklings is weakness and I doubt He is not powerful enough to understand Himself, and I don't think this is the reason of our existence.

If there's a God, or if we are creation of Him, I think the only reason is that He wants us to feel the exaltation of feel the love... and therefore He shares power.........

But there is even trepidation about the existence of love. Maybe what people explain as love is a primal infatuation/ sexual attraction with a being, nothing more , nothing less. Maybe this infatuation is dismissed as love and you are compelled to spend the rest of your life with this person because of "love", despite not understanding it.
But then again, I've never experienced love (being in my teens) so I have no right to comment. Maybe you are in love.

Yeah, pretty much, just remember that you have a lot more control over this "Journey of Life" than you might think