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the14u2cee
Of all places, why in front of the White House?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=930_1193137553&p=1
Samo8
Interesting, but I don't think he is levitating though, he is holding on to that stick. Some people do have amazing strength and maybe that is what he is doing. Like how some people can hold themselves up on a lamp post at a complete right angle.
The_Scorpion
blink.gif That looks pretty cool! Someone should have pulled that stick away though, to see if he would keep floating up there. It could just be a trick, but I don't think he holds himself up using just his arm. He looks pretty relaxed and he's not very muscular....
Tiggs
The stick is definitely the clue as to how it's done. If he didn't need it, it wouldn't be there.
Jjbreen
QUOTE (the14u2cee @ Oct 23 2007, 04:41 AM) *
Of all places, why in front of the White House?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=930_1193137553&p=1


Wow - a goood number of months ago, this was posted here. (The trick) Yes it's a trick, the guy all but admitted it with these words, "I actually almost made you believe didn't I?" No - because he was trying to pass it off as "Psi" powers. No it was pure 100% an illuison, just like Chris Angel. Yes the stick is very much a part of the trick. It cannot be pulled off w/out the stick.

The interview even stated, trick and secrets and science. <- Those are key words.

See "Mystics" - just science and secrets to pull of their 'stuff', so people will believe. Mystics and Magicians and Illusionists are all the same thing.
Lotus Flower
Busking with a difference laugh.gif

er, where can I buy one of those sticks?
Tannenisis
What is so special about the stick? It is balancing him through arm strength?
Samo8
The stick is more than just a stick, like it may have a horizontal support for him to sit on, or its weighted or bolted down, who knows the magicians secret?
eight bits
Penn and Teller (two American stage magicians) did one of their television documentaries a few years ago on Indian "godmen." Tricks of the kind in the original post are favorites there.

What Penn and Teller showed agrees with Samo's hypothesis. They displayed a metal pipe with a small horizonal piece welded on, at or near one end. The horizontal piece provided an elevated "platform" for the performer.

The skill in using the apparatus was maintaining one's balance, i.e. keeping the pipe vertical. The performer's clothing easily masked the horizontal piece.
Normal Person
....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 23 2007, 03:58 PM) *
....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement.

no.gif Have you been watching to much Heroes?
None of this is real and you can't produce evidence to prove otherwise.

Do you think Criss Angel is real to? He levitates. w00t.gif
Kevin A.
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 23 2007, 04:58 PM) *
....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement.


Actually it is a trick and a simple one at that. Its a classic though. You could probably say its one of the older illusions on record.

The stick is bolted down and probably does have a horizontal piece. Two of the actually. Picture a structure shaped like the letter c. The top horizontal piece is the illusionists seat, the vertical piece is the stick and the other horizontal piece is a brace hidden from view. It is hidden by the carpet the gentleman has placed. Also the vertical piece, the "stick" could just be driven into the ground far enough to support him. I think you can catch a glimpse of the seat at around the 1:34 mark though I could be wrong.

One of the easiest ways to show that this is a trick is that we do not know the set up he is working with. We do not see him set up the carpet and that. We do not see him rise into the air or come back to the ground. We do not see much of anything other than him sitting in place. He is pretty good at meditating and holding still but thats about the only remarkable thing here.

Give me a cherry picker, a telephone pole in an area that will be deserted in the mornings and evenings but busy during the day, a willing participant and a good story line and I can pull off an amazing feat of levitation as well.

Kevin A.
GeneBrowne
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 23 2007, 06:28 PM) *
....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement.



huh.gif

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....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist



Right on. no.gif
Tiggs
He's a fairly famous Dutch Magician by the name of Ramana - he does the stick floating thing quite a bit...
zoobie555
It's a trick. I saw a sketch of the setup on another forum. Like Eight Bit and Kevin A. point out, there is a metal plate underneath the carpet, firmly attached to a steel rod that runs through the bamboo cane, then there is a small perch attached that can be form fit to the guy's butt, and make it appear that he is levitating by hiding it in his clothing. As was also previously stated, no one gets to see him set the trick up, or rise into position, and the bamboo cane wouldn't be there if it was not necessary. It isn't real because powers like that, unfortunately don't exist. It's a good trick though, and it does rely on science, and there is a "secret", the secret is that it is a trick, the science is in how the trick works. Notice how the bamboo cane rests on the carpet off to one side, and that the man is "levitating" above the center of the carpet, that is the science that allows him to be balanced on a small perch that can be concealed in the butt of his jeans, he could't levitate on the other side of the cane, the apparatus would flip over. Have you ever seen one of those fountains that makes it appear that water is pouring out of a faucet that is hanging in thin air? But the water is being recirculated through a pipe that is concealed within the water flow and also acts as the main support for the entire fountain. Similar principle. Neither the carpet nor the bamboo cane would be there if they were not required (as was also previously mentioned). Just like when David Copperfield walks through the great wall of China, he has to be hidden by a curtain so know one can see what he is really doing, otherwise the trick would be revealed. If people were allowed to see this guy set up, they would discover the trick. If this man could levitate, people would be able to watch him rise off the ground, there would be no carpet or cane involved and there would be no doubt as to his ability to actually hover in the air. Like someone else already mentioned, the most impressive part of this trick is his ability to sit still in a meditative state on a small inconspicous perch.

It is a good trick, but still just a trick.
Jjbreen
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 23 2007, 01:58 PM) *
....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement.


You know NP - it would seem to me you'd do a little HOME WORK before you go making such silly statements like this! Sigh ... or so it wold seem you would.... as has been pointed this guy is an ILLUSIONIST and yes it is a trick. Wow - are you really that easily fooled and tricked? I guess so ...
Normal Person
QUOTE (Kevin A. @ Oct 23 2007, 02:48 PM) *
Actually it is a trick and a simple one at that. Its a classic though. You could probably say its one of the older illusions on record.

The stick is bolted down and probably does have a horizontal piece. Two of the actually. Picture a structure shaped like the letter c. The top horizontal piece is the illusionists seat, the vertical piece is the stick and the other horizontal piece is a brace hidden from view. It is hidden by the carpet the gentleman has placed. Also the vertical piece, the "stick" could just be driven into the ground far enough to support him. I think you can catch a glimpse of the seat at around the 1:34 mark though I could be wrong.

One of the easiest ways to show that this is a trick is that we do not know the set up he is working with. We do not see him set up the carpet and that. We do not see him rise into the air or come back to the ground. We do not see much of anything other than him sitting in place. He is pretty good at meditating and holding still but thats about the only remarkable thing here.

Give me a cherry picker, a telephone pole in an area that will be deserted in the mornings and evenings but busy during the day, a willing participant and a good story line and I can pull off an amazing feat of levitation as well.

Kevin A.

Obviously you guys dont know that he can also do an assortment of other ancient tricks, like reading minds and he can float like 15 feet in the air, he got a golden coat or w/e from india which is a huge honour, and if you guys would take the time out of your usual skepticism, and realize that people in the east are far more into spirituality and stuff like that for a reason, all these stories of people doing things like that over thousands of years and all the experiences and knowledge and ancient texts werent just made for no reason, like a goddam comic book, there is actual meaning to them, and your naivety is what blocks you from it. Humans look at things far too complex, life is about simplicity, look at bruce lee, by far the best fighter to ever live, and his number 1 rule was simplicity in everything. We dont believe whats staring us straight in the face, because were told otherwise by the TV and Radio. Look up your chakra system and read it through and through (www.rickrichards.com, has a very descriptive chakra explination) im not going to explain it fully but hes basically increasing the vibration of his body so that he gets lighter and lighter, and it requires HUGE amounts of concentration, experience, and imagination.

Some of you guys are so skeptic to everything, its freakin stupid man, where do u think all these stories and paintings and legends and texts all saying that there is a higher self, and other fields of reality, they didnt just appear out of thin air for gods sakes, this man has years of experience in developing his spirit/mind and you guys claim its a trick.

Wheres your evidence?
Normal Person
QUOTE (Jjbreen @ Oct 25 2007, 12:57 PM) *
You know NP - it would seem to me you'd do a little HOME WORK before you go making such silly statements like this! Sigh ... or so it wold seem you would.... as has been pointed this guy is an ILLUSIONIST and yes it is a trick. Wow - are you really that easily fooled and tricked? I guess so ...

Who are you to say i havent done homework? and who are you to say its a trick? you simply look at a video and it physically looks unreal so you assume its fake, thats ridiculous, along with anyone else that thinks its a trick, this man has obviously trained his mind over years of training and taking in a TON of knowledge along the way which you guys have no clue about, he got the highest award ever given to a western man in india, an award that has something to do with the soul and spirit, hes not just some guy that built a stick.
SummerMoonChild
Neat, however I've seen this trick before on the Discovery Channel years ago. It was done by a "shaman" of and old tribe in India. He also used a cane attached to a small seat which was covered by his clothing. THe end of the cane was plugged into a small hole in the ground for support.
Interesting trick though.
Jjbreen
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 25 2007, 05:03 PM) *
Who are you to say i havent done homework? and who are you to say its a trick? you simply look at a video and it physically looks unreal so you assume its fake, thats ridiculous, along with anyone else that thinks its a trick, this man has obviously trained his mind over years of training and taking in a TON of knowledge along the way which you guys have no clue about, he got the highest award ever given to a western man in india, an award that has something to do with the soul and spirit, hes not just some guy that built a stick.

I can tell you didn't - because you still think this is real. Proof ... this guys stuff was on UM on this forum earlier this year. He admited it was a trick. As a couple of posts above stated, it explained the trick down to the last detail.....

Sorry that you want to believe this is real --- but belief facts do not make ..... There is ZERO evidence that any such meditation or such would make this possible - none. Proof supply some. Do NOT use this guy as your proof - until you have 100% credible evidence it's not a trick. Because the guy all but admitted he is a magician .... just like Chris Angel ... nothing more and nothing less.

Can you provide valid and credible evidence it's not a trick, other then "you say so..."? No - because the evidence does not exist. Just accept the fact and enjoy the trick .. it's a cool trick, I totally admit that ....

Time to step out of fantasy and into reality
jay123
to be honest even though it is a trick, it's still an unexplained mystery how the guy balanced on such a small beam!...........bet that took alot of practice indeed. yes.gif
Kevin A.
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 25 2007, 07:55 PM) *
Obviously you guys dont know that he can also do an assortment of other ancient tricks, like reading minds and he can float like 15 feet in the air, he got a golden coat or w/e from india which is a huge honour, and if you guys would take the time out of your usual skepticism, and realize that people in the east are far more into spirituality and stuff like that for a reason, all these stories of people doing things like that over thousands of years and all the experiences and knowledge and ancient texts werent just made for no reason, like a goddam comic book, there is actual meaning to them, and your naivety is what blocks you from it. Humans look at things far too complex, life is about simplicity, look at bruce lee, by far the best fighter to ever live, and his number 1 rule was simplicity in everything. We dont believe whats staring us straight in the face, because were told otherwise by the TV and Radio. Look up your chakra system and read it through and through (www.rickrichards.com, has a very descriptive chakra explination) im not going to explain it fully but hes basically increasing the vibration of his body so that he gets lighter and lighter, and it requires HUGE amounts of concentration, experience, and imagination.

Some of you guys are so skeptic to everything, its freakin stupid man, where do u think all these stories and paintings and legends and texts all saying that there is a higher self, and other fields of reality, they didnt just appear out of thin air for gods sakes, this man has years of experience in developing his spirit/mind and you guys claim its a trick.

Wheres your evidence?


Mankind has made up a ton of things over the years. Either through ignorance, superstition, explaining things the best they could, trying to cope with the fact that they knew very little about this earth etc etc. Sure some things were right on and they discovered things long before modern man rediscovered them but still.

Im not going to go any further explaining here because I feel it would be wasted.

All I will say is this. "Humans look at things far too complex, life is about simplicity, look at bruce lee, by far the best fighter to ever live, and his number 1 rule was simplicity in everything."

Yet some mystical super power brought on through spirituality is far simpler than the stick holds him up?

Kevin A.
eight bits
QUOTE
this man has years of experience in developing his spirit/mind and you guys claim its a trick. Wheres your evidence?


That's a fair question. It deserves an evidentiary answer.

Tiggs was kind enough to provide the url for the commercial website of this man. His testimony there is that he extensively studied Indian magic, with a strong streak of Indian street magic, of which the specific feat in the OP is one well-known element.

My personal evidentiary basis beyond that was disclosed in my earlier post. I watched a Penn and Teller documentary on Indian street magic. They testified about what Indian street magic is, which is what this man testified that he studied.

And so I fulfilled my own burden to base conclusions on evidence. Others may simply have used common sense. Shameful, I know.

If you would like to research the teachngs of Indian street magic for yourself, then there is plenty on the web from the large Indian rationalist movement, motivated by the social problem there that godmen use tricks like this to separate beggars from their meagre cash. Both "Indian rationalist" and "godmen" are searchable terms.

So is "magic trick," but I gather you would be reluctant to use that one.
Normal Person
QUOTE (Kevin A. @ Oct 25 2007, 05:58 PM) *
Mankind has made up a ton of things over the years. Either through ignorance, superstition, explaining things the best they could, trying to cope with the fact that they knew very little about this earth etc etc. Sure some things were right on and they discovered things long before modern man rediscovered them but still.

Im not going to go any further explaining here because I feel it would be wasted.

All I will say is this. "Humans look at things far too complex, life is about simplicity, look at bruce lee, by far the best fighter to ever live, and his number 1 rule was simplicity in everything."

Yet some mystical super power brought on through spirituality is far simpler than the stick holds him up?

Kevin A.

Mystical super power? this is the number one problem with people that dont believe in the spirit, they think that people who believe in it claim that it brings you all these powers and magic, the simple fact is that when u compare humans to the rest of the universe, we are primitive as hell, and look what we can do, we are at the end of our physical feats, pretty much anything you can think of has been done, and we are a young species, so whats to come next?
the answer is sprituality and discovering who we really are, i mean all you skeptics sit there and diss everything you see because there isnt any scientific proof, um hello? SCIENCE IS MAN MADE and alot of it is theory, look at gravity, GRAVITY IS A THEORY, yet its accepted as fact, what else have we been mistold, what else is being suppressed from us, theres no such thing as magic, all there is is more advanced species, think about it, everything in the universe is evolving, constant change, science claims that everything in the universe applies to a number of laws that WE made, its sheer stupidity, you young people have no mind anymore.

Look at what all the eastern countries claim about spirit, there countries have deeper roots then ours, the people that claimed the spirit existed, were alot less smart then us, so why in the hell would they just make this false claim that completely changes the way they would look at everything, JJBreen and Kevin A. i seriously suggest that before you criticize everything you see, you guys do the homework YOU need, this goes beyond this guy floating, i dont really care about that, what im saying is that the spirit exists and certain things considered impossible are possible.

Let me ask you guys something, if there is no other meaning, simply than that we are all physically here and reproducing, why in the hell would this universe exist? it wouldnt, there has to be a higher meaning, so think what you want, you guys have just been brainwashed by modern science when you really have no clue how things really work.

Why would there be thousands of claims that people have seperated from their physical bodies and floated around in another plane of reality from all corners of the globe, how come i can leave my body and enter another plane? explain that to me with your science...just because we cant see it it doesnt exist right? thats how you guys see the world? how can science prove astral projection? it cant, because science is bordered by physical matter, and to say that astral projection isnt real is stupid, its been recorded over thousands of years and there are hundreds of thousands of people who claim they can do it, but because YOU guys cant see it, it isnt real, isnt that right.. it just shows me the amount of ego you guys have, you go by your own beliefs, and any knowledge you see that doesnt fit to YOUR OWN belief system, you disregard as fake, thats why neither of you will ever uncover your true self
eight bits
Excellent rant, Normal Person.

But it's posted in the wrong thread. This thread is about a professional stage magician who put on a free show in front of an iconic American backdrop.

On that occasion, he balanced himself on a pole with a small, hidden platform. It's what he does. It's his job. He does it well. He had good teachers.

In his spare time, maybe he visits other galaxies where his spectral body dines on ectoplasm and brussels sprouts.

But when it was showtime, he hoisted his butt in the air the old-fashioned way. He used a stick.
Jjbreen
I have to agree 100% w/you on this 8bits.

Normal Person, I honestly have to wonder at this point: How old are you? W/the no small emo you've displayed and serious lack of understanding of the facts that have been given to you -- you must be under 15 yrs old. Or if you are older that this: A. You are just trying to yank people' chains and be a pain the ass to just be one .... B. Again you choose to believe certain things even when the facts presented are against you. Either way you've presented no small imaturity level w/the facts presented to you.
The guy is a magican/illusionist. <-- Fact.
This video is an example of one of his illusions. <-- Facts.

You have not proven otherwise at all. You've supplied no evidence that this guy is not a magician/illusionist. You only throw out spiritual mumbo-jumbo. Nothing more and seriously A WHOLE LOT LESS.

So here's the bottom line: Provide Solid and Verifiable evidence that this guy is not doing a trick/illusion .... I would suggest you go back to around the first of the year on UM and read some of the posts. This guy actually told us, this is a trick. Yes he did!! Ooops...... That is why I stated, you have not done your homework!! He actually told us it was a trick/illusion.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 28 2007, 01:48 AM) *

Let me ask you guys something, if there is no other meaning, simply than that we are all physically here and reproducing, why in the hell would this universe exist? it wouldnt, there has to be a higher meaning, so think what you want, you guys have just been brainwashed by modern science when you really have no clue how things really work.

Why would there be thousands of claims that people have seperated from their physical bodies and floated around in another plane of reality from all corners of the globe, how come i can leave my body and enter another plane? explain that to me with your science...just because we cant see it it doesnt exist right? thats how you guys see the world? how can science prove astral projection? it cant, because science is bordered by physical matter, and to say that astral projection isnt real is stupid, its been recorded over thousands of years and there are hundreds of thousands of people who claim they can do it, but because YOU guys cant see it, it isnt real, isnt that right.. it just shows me the amount of ego you guys have, you go by your own beliefs, and any knowledge you see that doesnt fit to YOUR OWN belief system, you disregard as fake, thats why neither of you will ever uncover your true self

Just because we don't understand things does not make them mystical or magic. To you maybe.

Thanks for the ego stroking. innocent.gif
wolfieboy
well he is bound to be the best at making a stick stand up with his body weight suspended on it. but levitation, i think not
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (wolfieboy @ Oct 28 2007, 12:36 PM) *
well he is bound to be the best at making a stick stand up with his body weight suspended on it. but levitation, i think not

Correct sentences with proper punctuation would make you more understandable. We are not texting here. thumbsup.gif
wolfieboy
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 28 2007, 12:41 PM) *
Correct sentences with proper punctuation would make you more understandable. We are not texting here. thumbsup.gif


I wish I was just like Eric. He is always right. I will just never be that cool.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (wolfieboy @ Oct 28 2007, 12:52 PM) *
I wish I was just like Eric. He is always right. I will just never be that cool.

Thankyou so much. tongue.gif
wolfieboy
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 28 2007, 12:53 PM) *
Thankyou so much. tongue.gif

no prob my fine seller of the places we live. you are my hero
rob lester
Time to resolve this once and for all.....

Took me 30 minutes to find this , saw this years ago....This guy kind of the " Carlos Mencia " of illusionists , steals material original.gif

Please watch video , will answer all of it.....

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJm10zt_fA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJm10zt_fA</a>


"....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement."


"Some of you guys are so skeptic to everything, its freakin stupid man, where do u think all these stories and paintings and legends and texts all saying that there is a higher self, and other fields of reality, they didnt just appear out of thin air for gods sakes, this man has years of experience in developing his spirit/mind and you guys claim its a trick.

Wheres your evidence? "

People are to gullable original.gif .....There is your evidence !
wolfieboy
QUOTE (rob lester @ Oct 28 2007, 01:01 PM) *
Time to resolve this once and for all.....

Took me 30 minutes to find this , saw this years ago....This guy kind of the " Carlos Mencia " of illusionists , steals material original.gif

Please watch video , will answer all of it.....

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJm10zt_fA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFJm10zt_fA</a>


"....This isnt a trick, the stick would have to have been bolted down and had a horizontal peice, which seems unlikely, you know powers like this do exist, its not about magic, or good or evil, or divine powers, its purely scientific. This realm that we live in is simply the physical layer of reality, there is also a layer which you can manipulate matter by changing its information-level equivilant with your soul, or other conciousness. dno if that made sense.. hmm.gif

Its all about evolution, powers come with advanced species, we are intelligent beings but have only just touched the surface of the soul, in a few thousand years (if we last that long, which isnt likely) we will all be able to float at will, its just an ongoing process of advancement."


"Some of you guys are so skeptic to everything, its freakin stupid man, where do u think all these stories and paintings and legends and texts all saying that there is a higher self, and other fields of reality, they didnt just appear out of thin air for gods sakes, this man has years of experience in developing his spirit/mind and you guys claim its a trick.

Wheres your evidence? "

People are to gullable original.gif .....There is your evidence !



very good rob, but that doesnt apply to everything, does it
rob lester
QUOTE (wolfieboy @ Oct 28 2007, 06:16 PM) *
very good rob, but that doesnt apply to everything, does it




One topic at a time Wolfieboy original.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (wolfieboy @ Oct 28 2007, 01:16 PM) *
very good rob, but that doesnt apply to everything, does it

Just applys to people trying to pretend to do magic. wink2.gif
wolfieboy
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Oct 28 2007, 01:18 PM) *
Just applys to people trying to pretend to do magic. wink2.gif

well eric there was more than majic mentioned read it again sir you are losing my respect sir to be a good skeptic you always read the whole piece
Jjbreen
But the bottom line w/the OP is that this is not 'mystical' or 'psychic' or 'mind over matter'. It is 100% an illusion - nothing more and nothing less. There was no "metaphyiscal" event taking place here....

It is a good illusion .. but only an illusion.... grin2.gif
Kevin A.
QUOTE (Normal Person @ Oct 28 2007, 02:48 AM) *
Let me ask you guys something, if there is no other meaning, simply than that we are all physically here and reproducing, why in the hell would this universe exist? it wouldnt, there has to be a higher meaning, so think what you want, you guys have just been brainwashed by modern science when you really have no clue how things really work.


Nope, sorry. There does not HAVE to be a higher meaning. None at all really. This is just more spiritual mumbo jumbo as JJ called it. We exist because the universe exists. I think you have things the wrong way round.

The universe does not revolve around us. Spirituality tells you differently though. This universe and this planet more specifically was surviving just fine long before our ancestors took their first upright step. If we would all die tomorrow everything would keep going just like before. Again, spirituality tells you differently it seems. Look around. Look past our cities. Look past our marks all over this planet. Look to the places man has not touched. I dare you to came back here and tell me everything revolves around us. Mankind is a powerful force but let me tell you, mother nature will win every time.

Perhaps a solid look at just who has been brainwashed and who does not have clue one about how things really work is in order?

Kevin A.
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