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JustNormal
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 26 2007, 11:52 PM) *
Um....you must have done your research from somewhere else, because um....no where ever have i ever learned that a poltergeist ever lived..if you have a link of some sort, please show, but um, pretty much "a form of psychokinesis generated by a living human mind" is where my research basically landed me, which of course comes from Rhine Institute. Where as, its centered around mainly an agent, focal point, which those mean, a person who has the ability to do as i defined.


OMG Poltergiest is German for a "noisy spirit" and that is what they are spirits, ghosts, in which one time they lived. They do connect to teens and pre-teens often and usually dont stay too long, but can cause a great deal of damage and wreak havoc on a family. JN
Lycos
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 26 2007, 11:52 PM) *
Um....you must have done your research from somewhere else, because um....no where ever have i ever learned that a poltergeist ever lived..if you have a link of some sort, please show, but um, pretty much "a form of psychokinesis generated by a living human mind" is where my research basically landed me, which of course comes from Rhine Institute. Where as, its centered around mainly an agent, focal point, which those mean, a person who has the ability to do as i defined.


Well poltergeists fall into a very gray area. The word poltergeist just means a "loud ghost" so it just totally depends on the context of an event. Some poltergeist activity is caused by exactly what you said centered around an agent or focal point (which are normally female, no pun intended) also, for some reason limestone is often credited in poltergeist activity. I can't tell you the exact reasons why limestone is related to the activity because I just don't have that knowledge yet, hopefully someone can tell me. thumbsup.gif

But spirits or ghosts (which I do believe in) can be labeled as a poltergeist also, again, all it means is a "loud ghost". So if you have some sort of entity that is causing anything to move or any loud noises of any sort...well then you would be correct in calling it a poltergeist also. So that's what I mean by it falling into a very gray area. I believe a new term needs to be made up to differentiate from the two. If there is already a term that I'm not aware of let me know. But that's my two cents on that.
NoahJaymes
"OMG" Im just asking where you did your research, because im still looking and i have yet to come to a site that says a poltergeist has ever came from a human body other than the mind. sleepy.gif

I do agree with you Amroth, a spirit or ghost can be loud, but depending on the investigator, it goes into different categories as you suggested...grey area....ghosts/spirits/poltergeists are all different....but you can tell the difference between a poltergeist and a spirit, it takes a lot for a spirit to move an object, a poltergeist is a poltergeist who well is destructive

Eh oh well, no biggy, im done
JustNormal
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 27 2007, 12:21 AM) *
"OMG" Im just asking where you did your research, because im still looking and i have yet to come to a site that says a poltergeist has ever came from a human body other than the mind. sleepy.gif

I do agree with you Amroth, a spirit or ghost can be loud, but depending on the investigator, it goes into different categories as you suggested...grey area....ghosts/spirits/poltergeists are all different....but you can tell the difference between a poltergeist and a spirit, it takes a lot for a spirit to move an object, a poltergeist is a poltergeist who well is destructive


EnJay scientists & some Parapsychologists think a Poltergeist is manifested in someone's mind, but that is a theory. Spirits and ghosts lived at one time, that is a given. If you went to a location and saw things moving, loud bangs etc, and felt it was a Poltergeist how would you handle it? Tell them its coming from their mind and leave? NO you wouldnt, and you certainly wouldnt tell them not to worry its just their child who is manifesting this thing. It was said that Poltergeist manifest from a teen due to their changing into adults, however that is not true to the best of my knowledge, the teen tends to connect with one, on a level which can get pretty nasty. But there are a great deal of Poltergeist hauntings that dont involve children, so bottom line is they are "spirits." JN
JustNormal
QUOTE (Amroth @ Oct 27 2007, 12:17 AM) *
Well poltergeists fall into a very gray area. The word poltergeist just means a "loud ghost" so it just totally depends on the context of an event. Some poltergeist activity is caused by exactly what you said centered around an agent or focal point (which are normally female, no pun intended) also, for some reason limestone is often credited in poltergeist activity. I can't tell you the exact reasons why limestone is related to the activity because I just don't have that knowledge yet, hopefully someone can tell me. thumbsup.gif

But spirits or ghosts (which I do believe in) can be labeled as a poltergeist also, again, all it means is a "loud ghost". So if you have some sort of entity that is causing anything to move or any loud noises of any sort...well then you would be correct in calling it a poltergeist also. So that's what I mean by it falling into a very gray area. I believe a new term needs to be made up to differentiate from the two. If there is already a term that I'm not aware of let me know. But that's my two cents on that.


Right, any spirit that is mischievous, moves things, hides things etc can be an angry spirit, a malevolent one or a Poltergeist. Just depends on the haunting itself..JN
NoahJaymes
Well you have your beliefs

The world has ours
JustNormal
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 27 2007, 12:38 AM) *
Well you have your beliefs

The world has ours




LOL Im sorry I didnt know I was the only person in the world who knew about Poltergeists. unsure.gif
SS79
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Oct 27 2007, 01:35 AM) *
EnJay scientists & some Parapsychologists think a Poltergeist is manifested in someone's mind, but that is a theory. Spirits and ghosts lived at one time, that is a given. If you went to a location and saw things moving, loud bangs etc, and felt it was a Poltergeist how would you handle it? Tell them its coming from their mind and leave? NO you wouldnt, and you certainly wouldnt tell them not to worry its just their child who is manifesting this thing. It was said that Poltergeist manifest from a teen due to their changing into adults, however that is not true to the best of my knowledge, the teen tends to connect with one, on a level which can get pretty nasty. But there are a great deal of Poltergeist hauntings that dont involve children, so bottom line is they are "spirits." JN


I would tell them there is a possibilty it is the child yes and if no child present i would ask them to consider it may be themselves . whats going on around them . are they repressing something . it definitly wouldnt be something i would be ashamed of saying to them and if they took offence too it then they are more inclined to want it too be spirit rather than too get help whatever is causing it .
I dont believe RSPK only affects children it can effect anyone of any age depending on what psychological trauma /troubles they have at the time .
NoahJaymes
I said i was done but let me clarify...

When did i ever say i didnt believe in poltergeists? Please show me where i said that. What i was implying, aye nvm...must be a blonde thing again original.gif
NoahJaymes
QUOTE (spiritual_soul79 @ Oct 26 2007, 08:44 PM) *
I would tell them there is a possibilty it is the child yes and if no child present i would ask them to consider it may be themselves . whats going on around them . are they repressing something . it definitly wouldnt be something i would be ashamed of saying to them and if they took offence too it then they are more inclined to want it too be spirit rather than too get help whatever is causing it .
I dont believe RSPK only affects children it can effect anyone of any age depending on what psychological trauma /troubles they have at the time .


Well put....exactly what i think
Lycos
Yea...I still want to know why limestone is significant within poltergeist style hauntings. Besides the fact that in most of the cases limestone is in the area.
SS79
QUOTE (Amroth @ Oct 27 2007, 01:51 AM) *
Yea...I still want to know why limestone is significant within poltergeist style hauntings. Besides the fact that in most of the cases limestone is in the area.




psml i was soo wrong apparently residual hauntings are more frequent when limestone is present thats all i could find im sure someone else wil do better .
NoahJaymes
QUOTE (Amroth @ Oct 26 2007, 08:51 PM) *
Yea...I still want to know why limestone is significant within poltergeist style hauntings. Besides the fact that in most of the cases limestone is in the area.


Limestone is mainly significant in residual type hauntings. It is said that limestone, quartz and even water better hold residual imprints which would be ghosts. Why this is, i really have no idea. Maybe a solid source of energy within the rock itself.

Im sure limestone has the same effects on all style of hauntings, but from what I have gathered over the years its mainly residual...the fact that limestone was in the area during a poltergeist type haunting might just be a qa-winki-dink.
Lycos
Ah, thanks. =)
SS79
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 27 2007, 01:58 AM) *
Limestone is mainly significant in residual type hauntings. It is said that limestone, quartz and even water better hold residual imprints which would be ghosts. Why this is, i really have no idea. Maybe a solid source of energy within the rock itself.

Im sure limestone has the same effects on all style of hauntings, but from what I have gathered over the years its mainly residual...the fact that limestone was in the area during a poltergeist type haunting might just be a qa-winki-dink.


you know that is the first time i have ever heard that limestone thing i just looked it up . w00t.gif i want a house built on limestone yes.gif
NoahJaymes
I want a house built over a cavern of sorts...deep below are tunnels leading to a water hole, the walls of the tunnels are quartz and limestone and i want it to be near a indian burial ground.,...might as well go all out eh lol
SS79
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 27 2007, 02:06 AM) *
I want a house built over a cavern of sorts...deep below are tunnels leading to a water hole, the walls of the tunnels are quartz and limestone and i want it to be near a indian burial ground.,...might as well go all out eh lol


rolleyes.gif have to go one better dont ya LOL
NoahJaymes
tongue.gif laugh.gif but of course grin2.gif
SilverWood
try the bible...

MasterPo
It's not the stone itself but the high concentration of crystals in it. All goes back to crystal energy theory, something I personally find dubious.

Jennie 1
QUOTE (SilverWood @ Oct 27 2007, 01:58 PM) *
try the bible...


try the bible for what? I'm sorry I don't understand this post. Sorry, it's probably just me.
The difference between limestone and quartz, not to mention water, is huge, in a tactile way. It's funny to me that they are all considered to be paranormal experience enhancers. hmm.gif
NoahJaymes
Its a theory, just like we have theories that when a spirit manifests it draws energy which makes it colder in that given area.

However in a lot of cases limestone is on the land where the hauntings are taking place.
JustNormal
QUOTE (spiritual_soul79 @ Oct 27 2007, 12:44 AM) *
I would tell them there is a possibilty it is the child yes and if no child present i would ask them to consider it may be themselves . whats going on around them . are they repressing something . it definitly wouldnt be something i would be ashamed of saying to them and if they took offence too it then they are more inclined to want it too be spirit rather than too get help whatever is causing it .
I dont believe RSPK only affects children it can effect anyone of any age depending on what psychological trauma /troubles they have at the time .



Good answer SS, but just like any other spirit, they need to be ousted, possibly by a blessing to the house. Many times as we know, someone buys a home and there is already a Poltergeist there, and begins to wreak havoc. They can really hurt people too, just like a malevolent spirit, by throwing things around, moving heavy objects. They can be playful too. Normally its said that if it connect to a teen or pre-teen it only last a few weeks to a month and then POOF it is gone. They sort of have the same agenda as other negative spirits such as trying to tear a family apart, and IF there is a teen there, it does get worse. I honestly dont think families want spirits of any kind, but I believe they are everywhere. The best way to really find out what is going on, is the interview with the family ahead of time, and that would give you a pretty good idea what you are walking into. At least that is my take on it. JN
SS79
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Oct 28 2007, 06:25 AM) *
Good answer SS, but just like any other spirit, they need to be ousted, possibly by a blessing to the house. Many times as we know, someone buys a home and there is already a Poltergeist there, and begins to wreak havoc. They can really hurt people too, just like a malevolent spirit, by throwing things around, moving heavy objects. They can be playful too. Normally its said that if it connect to a teen or pre-teen it only last a few weeks to a month and then POOF it is gone. They sort of have the same agenda as other negative spirits such as trying to tear a family apart, and IF there is a teen there, it does get worse. I honestly dont think families want spirits of any kind, but I believe they are everywhere. The best way to really find out what is going on, is the interview with the family ahead of time, and that would give you a pretty good idea what you are walking into. At least that is my take on it. JN


Hey JN

first you say good answer and then in the next line you say" but just like any othe spirit they need to be ousted" LOL maybe you misread my post. ( RSPK means no spriits or outside forces are present at all) grin2.gif i do believe that there are good spirits and some negative, but i can honestly say i have never encountered a negative yet, nor do i have any desire too passifier.gif.

But i know that bad people dont change the instant the pass, im not dumb enough to think they all suddenly turn into angels LOL . geeez i for one wont be turning all angelic i like my devilish side too much devil.gif

What i was saying is before we have all these excorsisms and such for poltergeist, we need to look at whats going on psychologically with the family. I know you say some arrive and the spirits there waiting for them, but we have to realise that especially for teens moving house is a stressful event . they may be angry at their parents for the move . away from there friends and such . or other factors, this can cause RSPK imo

I'm in no way saying that negative spirits dont need to be dealt with just that you have to be sure they exist there before jumping in gung ho . Most research done these days is pointing to RSPK when it comes to poltergeist and teens (and not just from the skeptical community either) are we to just write this off cause it doesnt fit in with out beliefs NO we have to look objectively and think yes that could be it and really be thankful that if it is RSPK then these kids arent haunted by some nasty entity .and that help is widely avalable to them .

At the end of the day the wellbeing of the kids /adults having the experience is Paramount IMO . and if that means being honest with them and telling them that they need councilling so be it . id much rather that, than make a kid think they have some nasty ghost out to kill them if in fact they dont . original.gif

blessings SS79 x x x
NoahJaymes
JN often throws curveballs and false hopes lol...first you think, wow she finally agrees then poof she goes on her speel. Makes me want to kick things tongue.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE (EnJay @ Oct 28 2007, 06:21 PM) *
JN often throws curveballs and false hopes lol...first you think, wow she finally agrees then poof she goes on her speel. Makes me want to kick things tongue.gif



LOL then go kick the cat!! Just what IS it you want me to agree with? laugh.gif
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