I work with a group called the society of sacred guardians, one of the subdivisions of this group researchs the paranormal. we have heard of several accounts of run ins with a so called demon that goes by the name "the kid". apparently it usually appears in the form of a small boy or girl. it's "true" form has a lot of tentacle like things (sorry that I can't give a better description). I was wondering if any of you guys had any run ins with something that somewhat fits this description, as we are trying to see if there is a pattern.

Sounds like a good movie.

I hope not too.

I have researched that often a demon will take form of something someone is comfortable with. A kid, a nice elderly man, a clown....dont get the clown part but a few examples lol. Clowns are freaky as all hell.

Anyway, thats what i have heard

It has been my experience that Demonics have the amazing capability of disguising themselves as multiples, babies, or even loved ones who have passed on, and horrible looking creatures. When someone has a Demonic haunting we dont ask their name nor does the Demonoligist. The only time it IS asked, is during the exorcism of a person, but then again, they are not truthful at that time either. Bottom line is, they very very rarely show themselves to anyone. JN

BTW, it's never good to say or write the name of a demon. It gives them legitimacy and thereby power. Even if you know the name don't say it, write it or even spell it.

*DOH!!!!* If a demon EVER took shape of a clown....I would have a heart attack and die. Then in spirit I will be hauling @$$ as far away as possiable. But yes I have heard of demons taking forms that look vulnerable and innocent.

EXACTLY!!

Im sure that demonic beings can take on many shapes and forms. It is my personal belief that the way hell works aside from the eternity of burning is that satan and his demons create a personal hell for you. By that I mean he takes your worst fears and casts them upon your. Kind of like a nightmare you can never wake up from. Lets say your afraid of spiders. If you were in hell I guess you would be locked in a prison full of spiders. But thats just my belief. I of course have no facts on this.

You are absolutely correct, I couldnt have said it better myself. They create illusions of complete disgust and horror, foul odors, and invade every aspect of our lives, including our dreams, and tear families apart. The feed of fear, anger and tears. I do have facts cause I lived through it and am still in the midst of writing a documentary about it, but I barely get thru a sentence a day, because the scars and memories are too fresh..JN-

Never heard of the Kid. It's not on this list either. Is there another name for it?

Sorta like the movie 1408. That room was his own personal hell that he could not escape until he tried to take his own life by burning down the hotel. Granted, it didnt prey on his worst fears, but it brought his nightmares to reality...IE, his daughter once again dying in his arms. Im not a parent, but being a human with a heart, I couldnt bare it the first time.

I agree that is exactly what hell is like. Whatever makes you feel the worst you relive it for eternity. With each minute lasting as long as a year ticking by very slowly. Everything around you turns against you and your worst fears are realized up close and personal. Good thing about me, my worst fear was my ex's cooking, if i happen to take a venture to hell, reliving that is merely half the battle lol.

OMG Is that what that movie is about? Someone told me to rent it, now I know why. I remember at the time, my youngest son was staying with me (he is grown) but was struggling with things and I worried about him. One night he called, said he was on his way home. I waited and waited, and very late the phone rang, and the tel# that came up, was my local hospital TWICE..I answered it and got static. I felt my worst fear had come true, possibly he died in a car accident or took his life, I just didnt know. I called the ER as I shook, and no one by that name, no admissions, nada. I even asked other names like my EX etc. Next thing he called and he was at his g/f's out of town and was just fine. Its this type of thing, the Demonic does, in order to intill fear, causing stress, tears and sleep deprivation. I felt like a hostage in my own home, and was living with a liar, a thief, an abuser, and a madman. Every minute of every day it did something to scare me to death. Try waking up in the morning with a HUGE black cobweb over your bed, with ugly furry black spiders all over the it..OMG. Those are only a few things these monsters are capable of. Whatever we fear, they use that, whatever our secrets, they know them, whatever we love, they mess with and yes it IS personal and thats the most horrible part. JN

Not to worry. Not to worry. I've seen the dastardly villain. It is already captured my friend. Yes, they have the dispicable creature behind glass in some tank at Sea World. Why, I saw it there only last month. All is well. Miller time!

All the names for the demons on that list it seems are just hebrew versions of names from other people's Gods and from some of their spells. Wow...why doesn't this surprise me in the least? You know if I was Apollo and people started calling me a demon and named me Abaddon...I'd be pissy to.

And silverwood. If your monster has tentacles.....why please do introduce me! There's a certain scene from 'La Blue Girl' I've been wanting to reinact.

I've been told it's usually someone you know who has recently passed away.

However, one of "the rules" (set forth by G-d) is they aren't allowed to perfectly mimic a person. Something has to be obviously wrong like missing a limb or a grotesque face. It's both a "rule" as well as an indication of just how much hate they have for man and G-d that they can't appear whole.

Which is why I asked if there was another name for it .... try to follow along.

I have a legitimate question.. a few people have been mentioning "rules" and stating with apparent authority the do's and don'ts with reguard to daemons.

How do people know all these rules and "facts" about daemons? Are people repeating what they heard off someone else? Or was it personally researched from age old books? I guess the ultimate source would be for *a* god to come down & demonstrate his powers & tell us about all these "facts"

And what about all the daemons from different religions? Have their gods laid down similar rules? The legends of monsters, daemons, devils and spirits is so incredibly wide & varied around the world (with all having the same amount of proof... which is none) that not all of them can be the product of the same sky-god...

Can't speak for others.

My source is a well known and respected demonologist. His input is from a Roman Catholic POV which he is the first to say isn't the only POV about demons but that's his background. He strongly discusses the "rules" and has stated that on many encounters with demons they (the rules) have been shown to be valid.

I don't think anyone has the absolute "facts" about demons. But from those in the trenches is pretty close as you're going to get in this world.

Actually I was just making a random observation with that. The old religion's Gods are the new religion's devils you know...especially when you're trying to convert people. It had nothing to do with your post.

Try to pay attention.

Its said they went by many names and called themselves "Legions." You can call it a Demon, Demonic, Larvae, etc. Bottom line is, they are all in the same category, regardless of who named them, what they do and how they try to take over human beings. Its a simple concept, just not a very pleasant one. I believe the one the OP was talking about was one that disguised itself as a child, with tenticles and ugliness in order to instill fear. There is no Demonic named "kid" it seems one is using that..JN

Can you give me his name so i can do some daemon research myself? Believe it or not i fond this areas fascinating.

This highlights my main problem with these sources of information. From a scientific sense, any scientific findings or studies have the strong factual support of the ability for anyone to choose to review the findings themselves and re-do the experiments if they want to try & falsify the findings. (with additional support of double blind trials which mean personal opinions can't influence the outcome of the experiment)

With daemonology there is no way to know if there is any truth in a statement or it's just a made up fantasy. Just unsettles me a bit..

I mean lets just say there there is a daemonologist from a different continent with a different religion and different gods to the traditional Catholic scripture. This foreign daemonologist has age old religious books detailing daemons behavior and he himself states that he has had numerous experiences which backup his claims. Now obviously both the Catholic daemon expert and himself can't BOTH be right... but BOTH of them have exactly the same amount of evidence.. which conveniently can't be proven false.. Much the same that my claim that there is an invisible incorporeal dragon in my garage can't be proven false either

See the problem? It's an internal battle for me which i don't think i'll ever work out..

Alright well there are some interesting notes in this topic a few that have caught my eye. First off with someone wondering if demons in different religions are real and such? The answer is, yes. It may not even be their name or it can be another form or avatar of the demon. An interesting fact is if you take the majority of religions of this world and you took them all apart you can see that they all have the same meanings. Some are worded slightly differently and of course some religions were influenced of others...but here is where it gets interesting. In parts of the world if you look back through history and you take these religions that were around at the time from polar opposite ends of the world...with no way to influence each other...they have the same thoughts.

Now this makes you wonder, almost all of the sacred books all have the same exact or very similar stories. I feel the reason this is so is because God knows some people in different areas may think slightly differently so he will make himself known through means that we can not begin to truly comprehend. In total honesty I know for a fact God is not God's name...we can not know his name or even come close to imagining it. It is honestly none of our business right now until we pass on into that world and then we will know. But if you just try to look at things logically God is going to make himself known through ways that people will be able to understand best. Words are words and they change over and over but the principles are what matters. For example I knew someone who was translating the Bible into certain Eskimo languages. Now when Jesus gives the parable of (I don't remember it 100% exact) pulling a camel through a needle. Now an Eskimo has no idea what in the world a camel is...so in the Bible translated to their language instead of camel they use a walrus.

So now thinking of what hell is like, yes it could be our worst nightmares relived over and over. But in total honesty we have not the slightest clue of what hell is or what it's like. In all honesty God does NOT want us to know the horrors of hell. We can not even come close to imagining what it would be like, except for someone maybe possessed or being tortured by a demon but...as bad as things are I still do not think that is anywhere near what hell is like. Demons are selfish and yes, they want to destroy humanity because they blame us for their misery. They are horrible evil creatures but remember they are selfish and I'm pretty damn sure they don't like hell one bit. So that's probably one reason why they take any chance they can possibly have at coming into this world. So if a demon HATES hell...you can't imagine nor would you want to imagine what hell is like. It is not something we are supposed to be thinking about at all but then again it's almost human nature to think about it. Like if someone says "don't touch that button"...you touch it lol. We all do and that's part of human nature but if we ever want to understand God and heaven, which we will when we pass. But if we really want to get some sort of an idea, in all honesty you have to break human nature and become that most closer to God.

Now this is definitely not an easy thing to do and just living a "good and perfect" life is not going to do this. Yes it makes you a great person and in heaven you'll be just that much more pure. But to truly understand you must break all reality and understand that you DON"T understand, and you CAN NOT understand alone. We all have the holy spirit in us and it speaks to us. We hear it but, we need to learn to be able to know when it's speaking and when it's not. Again, this is not an easy thing at all because we ARE human, but when we enter heaven...we aren't human anymore I don't not think. Yes we are in a sense but when we are there...we know everything and we DO understand. But in almost every human beings mind on this planet we can not understand. The quicker we understand that, the closer we can be to God. In silence you can hear clearly.

But in the Bible there is a repeating theme that we should shun all other religions because they are not true. God had whole populations slain for having different religions. Even Jesus said that if someone is to follow him they have to shun non-believers (other religions)

You explanation, although a nice interpretation, completely goes against the teachings of the bible

Who is to say the bible is right. Was it not written by man?

The bible goes against the teachings of the bible. If you believe then it was dictated by God but written by man, and of course there are numerous people's who had thier hand in changing the meanings of things in the bible of course to fit thier likings. So I'd be very wary on taking anything from the bible to heart unless it was love thy neighbor.

Amroth has a nice theory. I always thought that hell was suppossed to be any place without God? Or that was it's definition? No wonder your demons hate it there.....I'd be totally lost without my Gods, scary thought there...but then again..that is the point isn't it? Who would ever want that?

I was hoping someone was going to say this. ;P That is one of my major points, the bible was written down by a human. Yes it is believed to have the words of God and for honesty sake I do believe in most of it. I truly, truly believe that it is impossible for everything in any sacred text in any religion to be 100% true and the exact words of God.(Now I know I probably offended a lot of people there and that is not my intention and I'm sorry) If you take things in a logical sense, say if you were a demon. Wouldn't you try to make some things slightly different to cause utter chaos? Even in some translations finding some way to influence someone or something to change one little thing. Again most of these ideas in all religions have the same concepts. And demons want utter chaos and destruction..ect... This is the best way to do this, have man fight against man in the name of God. God's creations that he loves so dearly killing each other in his name. Do you truly believe he wants that? Do you truly believe God wants us to kill anyone? Do you truly believe that gay people who were like that at birth are going to hell? With these questions you have to look on what is inside you and what you truly believe is the truth. Again I don't think we can ever fully understand the truth unless with what I said in the previous post happens.

Now I know this sounds so simple, almost a "look inside of your heart" but...that's what it really comes down to. God IS in all of us. We really don't need to read anything because God will give us all that we need. Now somethings that may seem "extreme" may in fact be the exact words of God at some point. But again God will send messages to people in ways they will understand and the way their people will understand. And over the times and through some possible evil manipulation everyone is 100% sure that everything they've been told and read is correct and won't change that no matter what. And this is the number one reason humans have been killing each other for thousands of years. If we just understood that we DON"T understand...I think we would be better off. Again we will never be able to fully understand until we are with him.

We only have bits and pieces of what is true. I'm going to quote one of Buddha's parables because I think it fits perfect hear and I love this parable. (Not exact word for word) Buddha takes 5 blind men to an elephant, and to one blind man he takes his hand and puts it on the elephant's trunk and says "That is an elephant" Then Buddha takes the second man and puts it on the elephant's head and says "That is an elephant" Then the third man he takes his hand and puts it on one of the elephant's feet and says "That is an elephant" ect... So then Buddha takes these 5 blind men together and asks them in front of one another...one by one, "What is an elephant?" and each blind man says something 100% different from the other blind man. And each blind man is so sure they are 100% correct because they felt the elephant and Buddha told them that it was an elephant so it MUST be right. It has to be because he said so. So then these blind me attack each other and beat each other to death because they feel they are lying in such a horrible way to defile Buddha. When you think about that parable it's just so dead on true for everything in this world. (And no I'm not a Buddhist in case anyone asks lol =D )

Hey i'll PM you so we don't de-rail this thread... interesting stuff you're saying.. look forward to picking your brain

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good point Amroth. Lets also take into consideration that the Bible is thousands of years old. It has been rewritten numerous times, many different languages, by many different people. Now if you think about it, words probably got left out, pages or even rumors that books have been lost or not irrelevant for that time. Its said that before Christianity was aloud to be practiced in Rome that the emperor who converted to Christianity before his death rewrote some of the Bible to coincide with pagan believes. Even the Catholic church has been rumored to leave out certain book in their bible. Basically im saying that we didn't have the knowledge or the technology that we have today. Back then you had word of mouth or manuscripts that wont last thousands of years. So god to me is how you perceive him to be. We all see god the way he wants us to and he comes to us in are own special way. "Theirs a God for everyone of us"

well said

poppycock

John Zaffis, Adam Blai, Keith and Carl Johnson, amoung others.

Seems pretty much on the mark to me.

Sort of like Voldomart! He who must not be named!

those are some really good points you guys have, but they don't really help me out in my group's research.

The only help we offered is that Demonics dont have genders, and as I said, they disguise themselves, so the fact it refers to it is "the kid" is a disguise I would think. Could you give us more information of how many times its been located, what its done etc? JN

well, thats kinda what we're trying to find out. I know of at least five accounts, two of which I was personally involved in.

also, the theory that demonics don't have genders is false, they used to be spirits just like us. it was because of the choices they made, before anybody ever lived on the earth, did they lose their rights to recieve a body and live a mortal life.

Well again, we honestly do not know if they have a gender or not. Nor will we ever truly be able to, again I think that is beyond our scope of comprehension. Probably for good reasons as well.

Well I have to disagree. Demonics never lived, either did Angels. Now malevolent and poltergeists are human spirits that can wreak havoc, but they were once alive. I dont believe a Demonic lives a mortal life, but more of dstroying we mortals, humans. Its hard to say what is going on in your area, but if its Demonic, they do NOT have a gender, even tho we think of them as male, they arent, they are entities full of evil and have amazing abilities, and highly intelligent. They have to go back where they came from, but calling them by name gives them so much acknowledgement, they gain more energy and strength, and they do follow you, so hence its possible to "think" there are different ones, but probably the same one. Because your details are vague to a degree its hard to offer a suggestion. Are these possessions, or hauntings? JN

Justnormal,
judging by what I have read from your posts and the posts of other people I realize now that I have come to the wrong place for information.

Wait, poltergeists are human spirits?

Sorry you feel that way. Maybe someone else with other beliefs and knowledge can help you. Good Luck JN

Of couse, as are grounded spirits, trapped spirits, residuals, poltergiests and malevolant all once lived. The only category of a non human entity is the Demonic..JN

Um....you must have done your research from somewhere else, because um....no where ever have i ever learned that a poltergeist ever lived..if you have a link of some sort, please show, but um, pretty much "a form of psychokinesis generated by a living human mind" is where my research basically landed me, which of course comes from Rhine Institute. Where as, its centered around mainly an agent, focal point, which those mean, a person who has the ability to do as i defined.

from what ive read im thinking the majority of poltergeists are down to RSPk ..

http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/a...f/17.1_roll.pdf

ps this is long but well worth reading and looking into

Golf Claps....does a little dance...

eh ?? whats a golf clap

Ya know, when you are at the golf course and you gotta kinda keep it quiet, someone makes a nice putt and you clap softly.....i hate golf but i use that "Golf Claps" a lot lol

oh see i know nothing about golf LOL . i thought it may be sarcasm