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Goatness
Where does your physical brain and your mental thoughts begin? How does an organ the size of the your shoulder area process the millions of thoughts, images, sounds, smells, feelings and then interpret them into one thing? I know there are touch receptors, smell receptor'; I know how the eye works, but when you think about it, all these things come together so smoothly that it seems impossible that your brain did all this, no matter how much neurological scientists explain about the sectors of the brain, your pituitary gland, your nerves: It's all to perfect to be human.

Look at animals: they don't love. They focus on sex. They don't like certain foods - they focus on hunger. Even chimps (our closest levek in evolution) think in a straight line (hungry-eat, thirsty drink etc). How did humans, only four evolving steps away form these chimps, become us?

I'm sorry I post topics like this. wink2.gif

PsiSeeker
QUOTE (Goatness @ Oct 25 2007, 06:31 AM) *
Where does your physical brain and your mental thoughts begin? How does an organ the size of the your shoulder area process the millions of thoughts, images, sounds, smells, feelings and then interpret them into one thing? I know there are touch receptors, smell receptor'; I know how the eye works, but when you think about it, all these things come together so smoothly that it seems impossible that your brain did all this, no matter how much neurological scientists explain about the sectors of the brain, your pituitary gland, your nerves: It's all to perfect to be human.

Look at animals: they don't love. They focus on sex. They don't like certain foods - they focus on hunger. Even chimps (our closest levek in evolution) think in a straight line (hungry-eat, thirsty drink etc). How did humans, only four evolving steps away form these chimps, become us?

I'm sorry I post topics like this. wink2.gif


Well, if you contemplate the processing power of a computer then it isn't really too hard to believe that the brain can process what it does. Animals do love btw, not all in the same way, but still similiar. There are certain foods that we don't like that animals do tongue.gif. You underestimate the potential brain power of animals dude tongue.gif they're a lot smarter than you think.
Goatness
QUOTE (PsiSeeker @ Oct 25 2007, 07:54 AM) *
Well, if you contemplate the processing power of a computer then it isn't really too hard to believe that the brain can process what it does. Animals do love btw, not all in the same way, but still similiar. There are certain foods that we don't like that animals do tongue.gif. You underestimate the potential brain power of animals dude tongue.gif they're a lot smarter than you think.


Computer processes information in a "straight line" - it gets the information, and then presents at a user's request. I'm saying that humans can do things like contemplate, philosophize, worry, and stimulate other minds with a brain smaller than most computers. It's amazing what humans can do when you compare them to other animals. We are obviously much more evolved then any other earth species will ever be.
AmazingAtheist
"The most complex"


If you mean at a genetic level, the answer is clearly no. The genome of
an organism consists of the complete DNA sequence, including coding and
non-coding genes. Of the number of animals for which is there is good
genome data (about 3800 so far), the smallest known genome is about 39
million base pairs.
kimirike
I think questions like these are natural and begged to be answered and science can only tell us so much. Yes we know a lot about the brain but it is so complex that I believe that maybe in the future we might be able to explain why we function the way we do.

We still don't know so much about our own mental process that it's scary. When you read about men like Kim Peek or Daniel Tammet among other savants one can't help but think these men and women are like a glimpse into the future of what mankind's brain can be one day capable of.

If to you the average person is too perfect to be human (which is a very vague statement, mind you) then what can be said about savants? I believe humans as a race are in its infancy and that the distant future holds great and a better understanding.
triumph
QUOTE (Goatness @ Oct 25 2007, 07:31 AM) *
Where does your physical brain and your mental thoughts begin? How does an organ the size of the your shoulder area process the millions of thoughts, images, sounds, smells, feelings and then interpret them into one thing? I know there are touch receptors, smell receptor'; I know how the eye works, but when you think about it, all these things come together so smoothly that it seems impossible that your brain did all this, no matter how much neurological scientists explain about the sectors of the brain, your pituitary gland, your nerves: It's all to perfect to be human.

Look at animals: they don't love. They focus on sex. They don't like certain foods - they focus on hunger. Even chimps (our closest levek in evolution) think in a straight line (hungry-eat, thirsty drink etc). How did humans, only four evolving steps away form these chimps, become us?

I'm sorry I post topics like this. wink2.gif

Goatness
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I think questions like these are natural and begged to be answered and science can only tell us so much. Yes we know a lot about the brain but it is so complex that I believe that maybe in the future we might be able to explain why we function the way we do.

We still don't know so much about our own mental process that it's scary. When you read about men like Kim Peek or Daniel Tammet among other savants one can't help but think these men and women are like a glimpse into the future of what mankind's brain can be one day capable of.

If to you the average person is too perfect to be human (which is a very vague statement, mind you) then what can be said about savants? I believe humans as a race are in its infancy and that the distant future holds great and a better understanding.


What I meant by "too perfect to be human" is the fact that humans rarely have or make things that are so perfect. Every good thing has a bad side, and vice versa.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE (Goatness @ Oct 26 2007, 07:25 AM) *
Computer processes information in a "straight line" - it gets the information, and then presents at a user's request. I'm saying that humans can do things like contemplate, philosophize, worry, and stimulate other minds with a brain smaller than most computers. It's amazing what humans can do when you compare them to other animals. We are obviously much more evolved then any other earth species will ever be.


"A brain smaller than most computers"

You mean physically or in processing power?

We can't know for sure that we are the most evolved species ever because we don't know every other possibility for different life forms.
Goatness
QUOTE (PsiSeeker @ Oct 27 2007, 01:03 AM) *
You mean physically or in processing power?

We can't know for sure that we are the most evolved species ever because we don't know every other possibility for different life forms.


I meant physically, as like I said, computer process robotically to save bytes and stuff, but then again, there are heaps of computers that are smaller than the brain (phones, blackberries).

Anyway, I'll explain computer processing and human proccessing with this diagram:

Human: Hunger - choose food - take food - eat food - clean up - anything can happen after that
Computer: Intake information - reject or save info - manipulate or show info at request - repeat -

As you can see, you cannot guess human actions, where as computer have been programmed.

Any obviously, I meant Earth lifeforms, as I don't know about other planets. tongue.gif
jay123
QUOTE (Goatness @ Oct 27 2007, 01:26 AM) *
What I meant by "too perfect to be human" is the fact that humans rarely have or make things that are so perfect. Every good thing has a bad side, and vice versa.


but has our advance knowledge got us anyway further than those "straight thinking" animals?
i always see humanity as an imperfection on earth..without us it wouldnt be being slowy destroyed

Our complexity is our Imperfection IMO.
PsiSeeker
QUOTE (Goatness @ Oct 27 2007, 01:14 AM) *
I meant physically, as like I said, computer process robotically to save bytes and stuff, but then again, there are heaps of computers that are smaller than the brain (phones, blackberries).

Anyway, I'll explain computer processing and human proccessing with this diagram:

Human: Hunger - choose food - take food - eat food - clean up - anything can happen after that
Computer: Intake information - reject or save info - manipulate or show info at request - repeat -

As you can see, you cannot guess human actions, where as computer have been programmed.

Any obviously, I meant Earth lifeforms, as I don't know about other planets. tongue.gif


I think human beings are a lot similar to computers in how we handle our information. We just have a hell of a lot more processes running at once than a computer which creates the illusion that we randomly choose what we do. I think the only different would be that we need to sustain ourselves and that we program ourselves through the environment.
Goatness
I agree with you Psi, but how many computers have the ability to betray, to feel hate? A computer isn't likely to turn against a user, developing it's own agenda. That's the line between humans and computers.
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