Anyone ever heard of these guys?

Stumbled on this while doing some browing in Wiki...

Wiki link

Another source!

i have heard of the Nine not about their whole MO just some
stuff about the 9 good guys and i think they were in rome??

It just makes me so happy to finally find some (albeit it mysterious and secretive) group of people actually trying to help humanity instead of plotting to rule\destroy\manipulate it...

Don't get too happy When you read this nonsense (from the wiki entry):



Don't be surprised if the 'Nine' turn out to include Noddy, Big Ears and the Teletubbies ......

(For 'theories' in the wiki entry one should read 'new age fantasies' - a theory is based on empirical evidence. Otherwise my theory about the 12ft Fluffy Pink Bunnies who run the Fast Food franchises on the Moon for the Alien Cheese Mines would be better accepted )

Sounds like the Holy Grail story for Hindus. There's that similarity in religions again...

Yeh, but they are still controlling things, which suggests to me that they have an ulterior motive. If they just wanted to help why don't they divulge more information for the good of mankind. Sorry for being such a cynic.

Avs

If they are so helpful, why is India like the poorest country in the world. Also, why don't they make it so I can understand their countrymen when I have to call somebody for tech help on a 'puter or when I check into a motel?

That's pretty funny. Though the group is alleged to have Indian origins from 270 BCE, it does not mean they still have Indian ties.

It is so that you will never suspect that we exist.

I would suggest that the fault lies in your comprehension and not their pronounciation



i.e. your comment was a bit dodgy

strange that this book is out of publication since 1960 when free hippies were born?

oh so now they are free hippies and what is a free hippie and how do i get one

in india dont they worship the calf or just dont eat cows?also rats and other animals?
the meek shall inherit the earth may be true after all...we will fine out sooner than later

i found this about "the nine bad guys" that worship Kali (demon) interesting





from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_(Demon)

It's good to see someone else interested in this topic - I was pondering on starting a thread of my own on it sometime soon.

The problem with the Nine Unknown Men is the fact that there is so little evidence for them. The only information I've come to on the subject has been on Wikipedia and a few other websites that were mentioning the fictional book written on the subject in 1927. If someone with stronger google-fu than I has info, please stand up.

I find this to be a rather plausible idea -- that a small group of people has amassed knowledge through the ages and is keeping it a bit secret, working "behind the curtain" so to say to push people in the right direction. Ulterior Motive? The Ulterior Motive that started the group (as the legend has it) is that Ashoka wished to stop too much knowledge from getting into people's hands so that they wouldn't destroy one another.

Though it is troubling to think that a stronger form of destruction is in the hands of the few, I feel that I'd rather have it there than in the hands of the many. At least then foolish mistakes have a smaller chance of happening.

-Madcap

haha i mean the free love, universal flag, tree hugger, liberal types. i know im

just digen deper but it will make a safe place to bury my Plunder; i

so the last pub was 68 but they were first pub Antiquarian 20's30's

To one and all...there is nothing called a Rama Empire as detailed that particular Wiki...(this shows any body can put any crap on wikipedia.org)




This is utter crap!

There is no rama empire as it states.....

There was a rama rajya..which was the reign or rule of rama in ayodhya after he defeated ravana, the asura king.



Folks shouldnt confuse rajya as empire...rajya just means reign or rule!
I am from india, I know!

there goes the credibility of wikipedia too..now where wil li look for some credible facts????

so in india do most people still worship cows? or just resepct them

and not eat them?i know in switzerland the milk cow is treated good

they let them free and go where ever they want to go in the day time

I also saw that statement Coredrill and checked all over the show for a 'Rama Empire' and also deduced that it someone that thought up a name for an ancient civilization...

What is also curious is that I find many websites stating India had/has advanced weaponary (nuclear etc) but they all differ regarding where this 'ancient civilization' was located and destroyed.

These are the locations I have gotten so far from various websites and when I research them they are all are normal states with no mention of this radioactivity...
Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro
Indus valley (which some state are also the famed 'Rama Civilization' and the only one with credible ruins) Ancient Nuclear War article
Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur.

This makes me worried about the credibility of the websites in question. Other that these I can't find anything else on these unknown nine men. Clearly they really want to remain a mystery...

Anyone else find anything?

This topic and the subsequent contributing posts triggered something in the deep recesses of my mind. I knew I had read something somewhere about nine men starting up something. Turns out it was in the origins of the Knights Templar:

"The Order, with about nine knights, had few financial resources and relied on donations to survive." [emphasis added] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar)

Avs

Orthodox Hindus are normally Vegetarian. They dont eat fish, meat or egg. But Liberal Hindus do eat chicken, and egg..but still beef is some what a taboo!

But in my state..kerala..the southernmost state of india...all folks ..hindu, christian, muslim eat beef....its actually upto individual preferences!!

Yeah in northern india they do let the cows roam freely...

I still remember the time i was chased by a bull during a hiking trip in north india..i ran for my life and climbed up a tree..

There have been numerous threads here in relation to the "Advanced Ancient India" question, most of which have been fully discredited. In particular the Mohenjo-Daro radioactivity claims have been fully debunked. The main fall-back position on Ancient Indian technology are the vimanas, of which there are little proof. About three or four threads here have dealt with them, and all evidence goes back to a newspaper that covered a man who actually built and flew one. Attempts to contact the newspaper have been unsuccessful due to the issue that no one here speaks Hindi.

-Madcap

Oi You Numty!

Wat that got to do with anything, y indians cant understand u when u call them. Mate they prob talk better grammatical english than you, but with an accent. Maybe its your rough accent they cant understand and not the english language .

Plus if these guys are reminents of the rama empire, then thats bull. As for the Rama empire, unlike Atlantis, you can actually find reminents of the ancient rama empire like their temple etc and their literature. After all hinduism is the oldest religion in the world.

i think one thing people ought to understand is that, the Rama empire was real a historical fact. We have the vedas etc which are the religious scriptures of that time. The rama empire had 7 mian cities scattered among its empire. Some of these are still around, and some of the architecure is around. The unique thing is that, they were roughly around the same time plato claimed atlantis was. Guess what, the scriptures do talk about Atlantis. Their wre written in Sanskrit, which almost became a dead language in the same way hebrew almost did. Only a select few knew the languages, mainly priests.

Only in the 20th century were western historians able to learn the language and translate the books to english. My point is this, i dont believe in some 9 men, that had or have knowledge beyond our own means yet. What i do believe is that the Rama empire did have technological advances, there is evidence in mahanj Daro in Pakistan, a shri city of the Rama empire, of nuclear warfare, in the sand in the sorrounding desert etc and that cities irrigation or sewage system is better than wat pakistan has now and in some cases better than the some western cities too. Their scriptures talk of a nuclear warfare and describe it prefectly., If there was a nuclear holocuast back then, it would have meant, after the empire, india and th surrounding areas, would almost begin from the stone age again.

There are no nine men with the knowledge, its in the books, and careful research is required.

You are wrong there Ozi..there was never a Rama Empire...There was a dynasty to which Ramachandra or Rama as he was more commonly known belonged..the Suryavamsh or the Solar Synasty (literal transalation!)




I am from India. It is a basic fact that almost all folks out in india have a basic rudimentary knowledge on the Hindu Mythologies and Holy Books.

There was No Empire called Rama Empire!! It was never known by the name of the king..Rama..but as i understand..either under the suryavamsh dynasty or by no name!

You got ur sources wrong Ozi. sanskrit never died out. Its still alive and kicking and almost every school has an optional language course on sanskrit in india and there are universities only for sanskrit.

And Finally ..the Vedas never ever mentioned Altantis in one or the other form!! If you could provide any link that the hindu scriptures do mention atlantis or mu or at least lemuria...i would like to have a look at it!

Ozi is regurgitating the claims made by David Hatcher Childress in one of his pseudo history books
Jason Colavito does a good job destroying all his erroneous claims here
http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id9.html

Please be more careful when replying to people's posts. I never said anything about Indians being unable to understand me. Why is it probable that they speak better grammatical English than me? Wake up to yourself.

Avs

I am from india too and i agree with most of what you have written about Ram rajya.However there are two things about Ramayana-Pushpaka vimana and the Brahmaastra-both of which refer to some sort of advanced technology.Pushpaka vimana according to Ramayana is some sort of flying machine with space for one more person on a perpetual basis(very hard to digest with what we know of flying machines today)and the Brahmastra being the ultimate weapon whose method of use is known to only very few warriors/gurus/etc and the ability to recall it is also an attribute of the weapon once deployed(again known to very few people only) though one really cannot totally mitigate the consequences of its being deployed ,completely.This weapon has no known antidote except one more of the same.Consequently the strictures on its deployment are quite stringent and its knowledge was selectively controlled.
As far as the topic about nine unknown men is concerned, by this time they should have amassed enough knowledge of human psychology to lead us on a merry dance should they choose to AS THEY SHOULD BY NOW they have a clear idea of mankind's position in the UNIVERSE.
bY THE WAY IN india AND PARTICULARLY IN THE STATE I LIVE IN SOME PEOPLE HAVE A GREAT FANCY FOR THE NUMBER NINE-COULD ANYONE ENLIGHTEN ME ON THIS ISSUE.We also talk about navaratnas(nine gems-nine extraordinary courtiers/citizens/seers/poets etc)) in the court of prminent kings starting from the time of the legendary VIKRAAMADITYA THRU AKBAR THRU KRISHNADEVARAYA.Could the nine unknown (& why not any other number?) have something to do with the greatliking for the number nine which probably has some magical?attributes extending backwards to some nine related positive event at the beginning of human history?

I seem to remember something about the stonemasons heirarchy involving nine people. I can't seem to find info on it, but I think I originally read it in Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Baigent et al. I may just be pulling this out of nowhere, but if it sounds familiar let me know.

Avs

Remember one of the labours of Hercules was to kill a creature known as the Hydra?

The Hydra had the body of a serpent and many heads (the number of heads deviates from five up to one hundred there are many versions but generally nine is accepted as standard) [emphasis added] Source: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hydra.html

I am seeing nine represented everywhere! I am freaking out!!

Avs

Sanskrit was almost a dead language know only to the elite pandits. It was only revived recently and tranlsated to english not so long ago, the scriptures i mean. The rama empire had seven shri cities, some of which exist to this day. I think i mentioned one of them which is in pakistan Mohenjo-Daro and several in india. My point is this, the rama empire did exist, and if you look at some fundamentalist hindus in india, they are desperate to go back to those glory days of the empire.


The ancient hindu scriptures give hisotrians and idea of the rama empire and how it was, they were fairly well advanced in technology too. The vedas are some of the oldest sciptures in the world, as well as some elements of fantasy added by the scribes, there are hisotrical references, manual to fly vimanas etc. There is so much evidence in the scriptures of the time, about the empire.

Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

Dr. Reyna said that on board these machines, which were called "Astras" by the text, the ancient Indians could have sent a detachment of men onto any planet, according to the document, which is thought to be thousands of years old. The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead."

Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity.

The manuscripts did not say definitely that interplanetary travel was ever made but did mention, of all things, a planned trip to the Moon, though it is not clear whether this trip was actually carried out. However, one of the great Indian epics, the Ramayana, does have a highly detailed story in it of a trip to the moon in a Vimana (or "Astra"), and in fact details a battle on the moon with an "Asvin" (or Atlantean" airship.

This is but a small bit of recent evidence of anti-gravity and aerospace technology used by Indians. To really understand the technology, we must go much further back in time.

The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian sub-continent and was a nation of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India. Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid-Atlantic Ocean, and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities, The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as "The Seven Rishi Cities."

According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer.

It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.

The Samara Sutradhara is a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana. There are 230 stanzas dealing with the construction, take-off, cruising for thousand of miles, normal and forced landings, and even possible collisions with birds. In 1875, the Vaimanika Sastra, a fourth century B.C. text written by Bharadvajy the Wise, using even older texts as his source, was rediscovered in a temple in India. It dealt with the operation of Vimanas and included information on the steering, precautions for long flights, protection of the airships from storms and lightening and how to switch the drive to "solar energy" from a free energy source which sounds like "anti-gravity."

The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas. This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979 (sorry, no street address). Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation located in Mysore.



Click on the picture to visit A Tribute to Hinduism - Vimanas

There seems to be no doubt that Vimanas were powered by some sort of "anti-gravity." Vimanas took off vertically, and were capable of hovering in the sky, like a modern helicopter or dirigible. Bharadvajy the Wise refers to no less than 70 authorities and 10 experts of air travel in antiquity. These sources are now lost.

Its probable because we have many indian that come over to work here, yes they have an accent, but more than often they speak better grammatical english than those poeple for whom english is their 1st language. Sorry dint mean to insult you.

Thats not true, there is plenty of evidence of nuclear fission in mahenjo daro. The pakistan goverment does not even allow western hisotrians or archeologists there, very rarely do they let poeple do scientific research there. Why, coz they are hiding something.

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island! Writing on Easter Island, called Rongo-Rongo writing

In the Mahavira of Bhavabhuti, a Jain text of the eighth century culled from older texts and traditions, we read:

"An aerial chariot, the Pushpaka, conveys many people to the capital of Ayodhya. The sky is full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare"

You see we find it hard to believe that other civilisations before us could be so advanced, look at the egyptians, we can even build the pyramids now and they did. Human hisotry is not as short as evolutionists claim it to be. Man has been here for millions of years, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest this too. My point is this, civilisation come and go, either destroyed by god as some poeple believe or they destroy themselves, like we are heading towards our own destruction etc, through warfare.

The only reason we know of atlantis is thru plato, but hindu scriotures talk about them too. The only reason we know of the Rama empire, is because of their own hindu scriptures. A bit like the bible, its not all true but it does have some valuable hisotrical pointers etc.

No worries, mate.

Avs

I find this subject interesting and i am beginning to think i posted http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...110978&st=0 in the wrong forum. Although it is religious in nature, it does contain an alternate history of the world that crosses paths with this discussion of Indian high technology.

Enjoy.

Never ever in indian mythology is found any mention of atlantis. never!
Mohenjodaro and Harrappa are of the Indus Valley Civilisation and are of dravidian origin (what i learnt in school history classes). Pashupati , and the mother goddess, the gods of the dravidians were assimilated into the mythology of the indo-aryans came and forced the dravidians down towards southern india. the entire pantheon of gods of the hindus is an amalgam of different gods of different cultires/civilzations. pashupathi is shiva...of the dravidians, vishnu and bhramha are of the dravidians..these three combined together formed the trimurthis or trinities of the hindu faith.

What i am trying to statge is that...ozi states that mohenjodaro was one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire".

Once i again i stress on the fact that there is nothing called a Rama Empire...its just the creation of some atlantis nut!

Its Mahaviracharita by Bhavabhuti not just Mahavira alone. If you mention Mahavira, people will think of Mahavira, 24th and final Tirthankara of Jainism, a religion in India.

The vimana that you mention in relation to Rama is the Pushpaka Vimana , which was originally the property of Kubera, the hindu lord of Wealth, which was stolen from him by Ravana who was his half brother, both being the sons of Vishrava

All other mentions of vimanas in othe rhindu mythological /holy books especially the so-called "Gurkha & his flying chariot" which is harped upon by all ufo and ancient civilization nut websites is complete bogus. I went through the entire mahabharatha searching for the gurkha!!!! to no avail! the book some others tout - the vymanika shastra





Hindu Scriptures do not talk about Atlantis.

The only thing that somewhat comes closer to this myth of is the myth of Kumari Kandam
which again is just myth!!!below is a supposed map of Kumari Kandam


god knows!!

But Ozi...please research your facts before stating them!

i have a small idea on the whole number nine deal

its a meaning of our Solar universe dynasty our nine planets

i saw drawings of the "Grail" that was dug up under the temple

it only let me know the way it is stored and where it is keep

all i say is the good guys are in control of it now and it is safe

i guess if they lose control of it then everybody will know of it soon

Dude. There are 11 planets as of now..8 main normal planets and 3 drawf Planets!!!



and dude......" drawing of the grail"??? and dug up under the temple?? what does that mean?

i mean the nine known planets to the light people

the mirror of our soul was buryed when the temple to Jupiter was destroyed

it currently lays as it was in the temple but now many miles off incased in marble none the less

One would think that forums these large, with these many posters would involve themselves in a collection of evidence before debating it facetiously amongst each other. To each defending their own faulty post, like rabid dogs eager to rend each others minds out.

Perhaps there should be an evidence gathering, the proposed Unkown Nine, thier proposed arrival as that, the history, etc. Not links to wikipedia, the gathering of the written word in support or against these actual valid points. Ill remove myself until these things are hopefully arranged, because the nature of these topics seem inconclusive. A mad social experiment, in which no one learns anything but to name each other skeptic or believer.

Please do remove yourself if you find the need. After all, its not a requisite that you should be there for UM discussions to go on. This is entirely a discussion site and everyone ,how ever crack pot he or she is, is entitled to state their point. Any every person has the right to counter argue on those points stated. It is only through discussions that we gain knowledge. If i simply state the facts as final in a thread, the thread is over. thats not the way.

Out here in the net, one of the most reliable sources is the wikipedia. org (of course there are cases when bpogus information is posted there!). If you can provide us alternate sources to refer to, please do so. Otherwise, Please excuse yourself!

KrakenRouge I understand that you are new to the forums and for that I say WELCOME!
However if we knew all the links you are talking about then there would be no need to discuss it or ask others what they have found...

Please help in this respect and if you find any of those elusive links or 'written articles' feel free to post em!

Thanks
Star (Keeper of the peace and bandages to patch up broken egos )

thats more diplomatic!

Do you guys think that maybe all the 'secret societies' have one main 'group' that leads them? (Just a theory reading all these other posts) Do we have a timeline on when all these societies began?

red_rum you have totally lost me with the 'grail theory' that you posted above... please elaborate more

what red_rum has posted is quite incoherrent!
i couldnt make head or tails out of it.





Mirror of Our Soul??? detail please?

Light People?? who are they??
So you know the way it is stored and kept and that ''good guys' keep watch over it?? which way is it stored & kept? where is it kept? who are these good guys?? there are questions i need to know... (In Lord Marshall style from the chronicles of Riddick )

Hey look what I found! Bah I know that most of it is fiction (as most of the links don't work) but it is cool none the less!
Timeline

Guess according to this my timeline theory is out the window...

i saw the time line....thanks star girl....

but...

most of it is linked to nutcase websites...

and i vehemently oppose the statement of the rama empire and the vimanas....thats all bogus...

read above my posts in the same thread on what i have to say on the rama empire and vimanas

So, ummm, Ozi, which is it?
Is it that there /is/ plenty of evidence for nuclear fission at Mohenjo Daro or there /isn't/ because it's all covered up?

This sort of reasoning is exactly the same that underpins conspiracy theory non-sense like "there is a big huge secret cover-up of vital information perpetuated by the government that has been almost completely successful for weeks/months/years/decades, but yet is simultaneously so ineffective any fool with an internet connection can find out about it."



I'm organizing a trip to Scotland to find out where Hogwarts is. Wanna join?

--Jaylemurph

would that be the Castle Pook in Ireland?

not much they but couple hedge witches

surrounded by a forest and some stone carvings,

little bats, a crystal ball and hand-carved wands...

big deal, theres more power in M 1 6 than place

The Mirror can be found in the final

chamber, further enchanted to bestow the seeker

of the Stone only hoping to acquire the stone

but not use it for selfish means

Let sleeping dragons lie

nice poem!

but it doesnt make sense!

red_rum...how often do you have these relapses?? dont u have ur shirnk to help u out times of emergencies like these??