I'm working on an idea and I thought I'd throw this out to the more sophisticated bible experts among you (Calling Paranoid Android) but I'd like to know what basis do we have for God being "perfect?"

What is perfection by definition. We see in Genesis that God regrets having made mankind for example, he wipes them out, and then he regrets doing that, so obviously he's not "PERFECT" by our definition of perfect. Perfect to me means never making a mistake.

What say you ?

I have wondered the same thing. The only thing I could ever come up with is that whole free will thing. I think the believers will say that it wasn't God who was imperfect, it was the humans. God created man, and then gave him a free will, so when the humans started acting like heathens, God took them out.

I am not a Christian, but I try to see things from their point of view as well. I could be way off base, but I also don't think that it's implied that God caused a flood because he made a mistake, I think it's more implied that he was angry and wanted to teach the next generation of people (from Noah) how NOT to be.

Do as i say, not as i do.

Which that saying in itself is imperfect.

Depends on the doing or saying. I'm in a kind of dualistic not of this world mood right now.

lol, I will agree with that!

The way I look at it is, everything that has a will to be perfect (Even a devine entity!) will always be striving for it!
If our creator were perfect it wouldn't have made as many errors as it did. Just my opinion though!

You could say 'Who are we to judge what actions of a deity are erroneous or not? Perhaps only so we can convince ourselves that we have 'free will' can we carry the illusion that it is our place to judge that which we are of and that which is of us.

p.s. please don't hold me responsble for what i type today. The sacred feminine is throbbing through me....

I won't argue that!
But, as in perfection being nothing but a human terminology, and using it as a metaphor to explain some devine entity,
it's a flawed description from the start. We as humans can only describe perfection as we see it.

Perhaps a divine entity has no reason of being related as perfection.

Now I'm just rambling! lol

first he didn't "reget" making mandkind when he wiped them out. if he regeted it do you think we still would exist? especially today when people are the worst ever. i'd say he is perfect just like people were perfect until they made the choose not to be. people mention free will, maybe god has the free will to and any inperfection would make him mortal just like it made us mortal. therefore he his perfect.

You're making perfect sense to me. Join my church, paypal preffered.

This is kind of off-topic, but why are some people convinced that this day and age is the worst, as far as humanity goes?

Why are the people the worst ever today? I think we are quite spoiled actually. Even though there is war going on and people are still dying needlessly all over the world, it has been like that since man was walking upright. There have been much worse times than these, times when killing someone did not even raise an eyebrow. Medieval times were pretty bad, and what about the Crusades? I think history can show that mankind is not getting meaner or more evil. There is just more of us now, and it is so easy to know everything that is going on around the world. In 'simpler' times, you would have unaware of the atrocities happening outside of your immediate living area, and therefore would have assumed the world was great. But it has never been great, and it is not getting worse. Individuals are global now, and realize that their actions can affect others, and therefore are conscious about it, at least.

yeah you're right humans have always been bad. i don't think we are any worst in a attitude and instinct sense. but i do however think things have gotten worst for the reason like you said we are spoiled. my belief is the more spoiled you are the worst you are (hence the reason i can't stand spoiled children....they're the worst type of children, and if anybody thinks they don't mess they're kids up by spoiling them, they're ignorant, but that's a nother subject ). of course everybody on earth is conscious that there actions hurt others.....but they still do it. unlike the times when we didn't know.

If you believe in the bible..then you will believe that God must not be perfect if he did this

Good job i dont believe in it eh?? lol

It depends in how you believe it. All bible is full of metaphors and such things you do not have to believe blindly.

if it is full of metaphors then why bother stating it as the word of GOD lol...as fact...for its not..

I don't think a "Perfect" being would feel anger, jealousy or the need to seek vengeance. A "Perfect" being would also have no purpose for creating something like humanity, because to do something for a purpose would require a desire, and what do "Perfect" beings desire?
And "I didn't do it on purpose!" strongly implies a mistake, or random chance. Neither of which fit humanity's ideal of "Perfection."

If God exists, I don't think there's any chance he's perfect, for humans to be here.
Myself, I believe "Perfection" exists only in narrow worldly contexts...

Well said lol

christians claim their God to be a jealous God..a killer ect...no perfect being would be like that lol

Maybe because we understand the bible very differently when its authors had. One example i can give you that the bible is falsely translated where it says eyes it should be written eye because in Hebrew eyes is eye. The eye im talking about is called the third eye (also 'the lamp' in bible because it radiates light of God) and is found in all religions of the world.

"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Remember this? By the way the triangle represent holy trinity thats why the eye is mostly pictured in a triangle.



Makes any sense?

yes that is where we get are Intelligence from