Posted: November 5, 2007

HBCC UFO Research Note: I (Brian Vike) spoke to this witness on the phone today (November 5, 2007) for I believe 2 hours and I will be calling him back tomorrow at 12:15 p.m. to finish up a fascinating talk and telephone interview which will be aired coming up on the Vike Report Radio Show. The interview/show will be a special on a different night rather than my usual Sunday radio show. Of course a new show will be aired every Sunday night's as usual.

This really is an incredible story, from being inside a UFO at the age of 7 years old, also much later in life when serving as a Marine in the United States military with the highest of clearance was driving with others in a bus with blacked out windows, black curtains covering the windows to keep on-lookers and most likely the military people who were on the bus knowing where it was they were going. When they arrived at a hanger, (their destination) they got off the bus, were given a stern warning that what they were about to see at this hanger was not to be related in anyway, or to anyone !

The below report is just the tip of the story and I know you won't want to miss this upcoming special show. Also which is very important, when folks read what is written below, and if it rings a bell and you may have been at this base/hanger or on the bus would you please contact me, Brian Vike Director of HBCC UFO Research and relate any details you might have on this fascinating case. Your personal information will be kept "private".

(CASE REVIEW)

1. 1953 at 7 years of age, I'm given a air-mechanics industrial flashlight as a gift from my mothers friend, whom she is helping move to new location where her husband has just found employment in the Burbank Ca., as airplane mechanic.

2. During the night time move I point the industrial strength flashlight towards the Hansen Dam built by the Army Corps of Engineers and I flash a signal at a light I see on the Dams upper rim, to my surprise, the light returns a signal flash, I initiated, flash per flash! My mother seeing this is concerned the light might be a plane and tells me to stop, but in reality it is a UFO resting on the dams upper rim!

3. Next (day) I notice a UFO hovering over near a small hill by our government housing apartment, the UFO is in oscillating motion, I bring this to attention of my older brother, two male cousins who also reside in government housing project and other children.

4. UFO silently moves from hill towards apartments and stops, myself, brother, cousins, we wave at UFO occupants who return the same, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, reports this to (MUFON) in 1973/75. Craft follows housing units service drive and fly's over children's playground and comes to rest in 45 degree angle at the base of the Hansen Dam. (footnote) government housing, federal dam works, and military in later years play together in which I believe is possible sinister involvement.

5. I along with children go to playground area were craft comes to rest, children become frighten and return to government units. I approach the UFO, and remember strong smell like battery acid, I place knee on craft, craft is neither hot or cold as I remember and I crawl the circumference of the UFO and on the opposite lower side of the craft I notice blinking lights, of magenta, pink, gold, etc. I fall downward into craft, and only remember walking back to apartment units approx: 45 minutes later. The children are now playing hide and seek, a game of the 50's and 60's.

6. I enter my apartment unit, and I am disorientated as I don't recognize my sister and ask my mother if she is Chinese also! as in (elongated eyes) my family is Hispanic, but the late Dr. Hynek feels and I agree that I was disorientated and in reality I was trying to describe the alien beings as best as a 7 year old child could, keeping in mind I'm not even sure if the term UFO was even coined in 1953?

7. Brian, actual levitation takes place where I am floated upward in my room as reported to the late Dr. Hynek, there is a return of the UFO/craft that night, which more that 15 to 25 an approx: number of people adults included, who witness the return of the craft and then the childhood UFO abductions take place.

8. The being taken to a location in a naval bus with blacked out windows which are painted black, with black curtains on top of that, 10 years later when I serve in the Marine Corps, where there is a UFO craft. Moreover, I recently have found out there is also another Marine who has had the same experience, of being taken to a location where there is a UFO craft as reported in "UFO over California" written in 2006 by Preston Dennett. Brian this is proof enough for me, I'm not alone and there must be many more former military personnel who have experienced the same as myself. Not to mention the little known evidence that I and the other Marine were both given crypto clearance, while in the military. Finally, I emailed you on or about Aug.27 & Aug.29th concerning the recent 4 to 5 UFO's witnessed by my children, with a black UFO which turns in to a black helicopter, bizarre case!

Brian, I'm 60 years of age, because of the other Marine that has had the exact same thing taken place along with crypto clearance, same base, Camp Pendleton Marine Base, same year 1967. I don't need to be beat over the head, something is up.

Brian you now have my phone number, lets lock in a date when the kids are in school or at night. You don't know how thankful I am to God for the good work you do, not to many good investigators out there any more.

Source: http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=Ne...le&sid=3251

Makes you wonder about the selection procedure used by the USMC, doesn't it ... I do hope they take such aspects as mental stability, tendency to fantasize etc, etc, into account ... they give them guns, you know.

Have you considered he may be telling the truth?

Some, maybe, but we can never tell how much, can we? the being taken to somewhere secret in a bus with blacked out windows sounds quite plausible, that was how personnel were taken to Area 51 in the early days, but how much of the more colourful details may be true... at the very least, I'd say he might have a tendency to embellish the experiences he reports. Levitation? Comunicating with UFOs by flashlight?

Eventually, people will come to realize that flying saucers have been a reality all along.

After all, when military and commercial aircrews and other witnesses from around the globe in over 100 countries describe saucer-shaped flyng vehicles in detail, some of which are larger than ships, that maneuvered around aircraft and tracked on airborne and ground-based radars, which confirmed the aircrew sightings of objects that conducted high-G maneuvers and zoomed off at over 9000 mph, then they are definitely not talking about 20-foot weather balloons drifting in 40-knot winds.

Well the levitation and flashlight communication isn't anything new. I've seen various reports of the exact same thing happening. Person sees a light in the darkness of night, gets a flashlight and signals it, and next thing they know they are being chased and picked up. One thing is for sure, if I see something nearby that I think is a UFO, I sure as hell aint gonna signal it, that's just asking for something bad to happen. It's like saying "Here I am! Come anal probe me!" lol

Terribly unbelievable. Military housing, playgrounds being invaded by UFO's? Using his "Crypto clearance" as a reason for what? What's that got to do with ANYTHING? This just sounds terribly bogus.

What would you find believable eqgumby? Anything? Explain why you think this is bogus. Lots of things happen around military bases, I would be interested in hearing what this person has to say. Keep an open mind and see what transpires...if it turns out bogus, so what. BTW a person with "Crypto clearance" has a lot more access to information then your average Joe. Crypto clearance is rare because it is above Top Secret, some have to attend a special school to retain the clearance, and people who are chosen for this kind of clearance are usually chosen because they posses unique qualities or abilities. Is it possible he was chosen for Crypto because he was an alien abductee?

Thanks, that was interesting. Any idea when he will be interviewing this person? I checked out the hbccufo site but didn't see a date and time.

http://www.hbccufo.org/modules.php?name=Ne...le&sid=3259

I agree DCMAN, "This" is only a small example of what happens in and around military bases. The "Cryptographer", has many tests and standards to be met to hold this top secret rank. Being familar with crypto graphing during my service years allowed me access to information and areas that other enlised men weren't.

There are several people who speak before doing their research, this is not acceptable. Know what you are talking about before inserting foot. And "YES" , clandestine movement is quiet ordinary through out military manuvers.

Sincerly,
Mr.Debo1

What?
Clearances don't work like that. I'd bet my secret clearance (current) on yours any day. I even worked on "crypto" equipment, in a "crypto" vault. Whoop-de-doo. I even had access to over 100 volumes of secret information. Again, whoop-de-doo.

He describes a UFO cruising around base-housing as if it was not a big deal. It would be a HUGE deal. Not that much happens around military bases. Or is he saying it was like, section-8 housing? I can't tell. Why would they give a 17 or 18 year old Marine a crypto clearance, then take him on a bus to see a UFO?

It's all too surreal. It's like a bad mushroom trip.

What I would find believable, would be some one coming forward that at first glance did not appear to be a liar, or a fraud, or a huckster, or a nut-case. This case sounds bogus as hell.

I'm gonna add you to my list of people who I don't believe. Top secret rank? Please dude. Read my previous post. Even if you were a crypto-tech or cryptographer, you likely didn't have access to anything even remotely exciting. The vast bulk of it is interesting at the time, and ten years later, still secret but not interesting.

The stuff I had access to for example, could have made me rich beyond your dreams, feared and powerful...if I had friggin time machine. The best it could do for me at the time, make me chuckle and say, "Oh! I get it now."

Egg I have to agree. The way some of these "top secret military" people that talk about 'this and that' like it's no big deal is just silly. No one in their right mind would even begin to talk about "Top Secret" over a cup of coffee on the radio .. .it just amazes me that people are so easily duped and fooled.

Anyone that has had any real dealings with NDP - Top Secrets and such know full well - that unless it's de-classified, it's simply not talk about: PERIOD! If that is violated w/no 'big deal' attitude or other wise - they've just put their who life on the line - their family - their friends and co-workers. They have made all these people's in their life a serious LIVING HELL! They would be thrown into prison so fast - that it wouldn't be funny.

I also have to agree - a 17yr old given this degree of "clearance" is a joke, waiting for fools to be taken for a long ride. I mean even just a little common-sense would tell you -- "17 yr old w/any kind of security clearnace" just doesn't happen, period .... Security Clearance is earned - it's not just given ... it's worked for and earned based on background checks, psych profiles, and track record of Crediblity, Accountablity and so on .... It just amazes me how many people who claim to have 'security clearance' - see these stories and go, "Wow! This has to be true!!" That just goes to show if they have Security Clearance -- it's really really LOW LEVEL ... for obvious reasons!

You're making an assuption here, you have no idea who I am, where I have been, or my past clearances...I'll leave it at that. You sound a little childish..."mine is bigger then yours".


Would you care to clarify? Would you care to disclose what you know?



When doing intelligence research, I like to keep an open mind about what people say, ...sort it out latter. Like I said, if it turns out to be b/s, then so what.
Mr. Vike will have him on his radio show telling his story, it may prove to be interesting what he says. Again, keep an open mind and save the criticism until after all of the facts have been heard.



Perhaps this is true, a lot of these kind of cases tend to sound off-beat.



You're entitled to your opinion, but isn't your judgement a little premature? He may well be a nut case, but at least hear what he has to say in its entirety. I believe there is something going on that may or may not be alien in nature. What do you know about Milab?

It appears to me he is sorting through some things, and he is only talking about something that happened to him at the age of 7 in 1953. He said "I and the other Marine were both given crypto clearance, while in the military." and he does not state at what age or time frame during his military service he obtained clearances. He mentions a UFO craft on base. If he was 7 in 1953 that would make him 20-21 in 1967 (time of incident with other Marine). But he started his service 10 years after the incident which would make him 17 upon time of enlistment.

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Even so - no one who lives in the real world of Top Secrets (military or otherwise) and has had to sign no small NDP' would know 'facts' from fiction.

The thing about stories like this -

A. No way to verify or validate. Prove to me it's not a scam, story?
B. Would the person(s) be willing to volunteer to a lie-detector test?

See with all the cons, scams and lies being flooded on the internet - it cannot just be taken at or on 'face value' or even as being true. Sad but true, each claim has no choice but to be investigated to a degree that even volunteer lie detector tests (plural) would have to be agreed to. Why plural? Take a guess why.....

Some may say - but that's to 'harsh' or 'hard' -- is it? How do you weed through the 100's of 1,000's of hoaxes, scams and lies out there? People that swear it's the "truth" until the story is seriously investigated and found - BUSTED!!

Some even fabricate stories with "good intentions" of 'rocking the boat' to see if someone 'bites' and slips up and tells something they are not suppose to .... Never happens ... but is lying w/good intentions -- helpful to investigators? NO - it's just more mud and muck to have to wade through ....

These days one simply cannot believe a story - a picture - an account ... sorry but this is a very real and sad fact and reality.

That is why disclosure project witnesses are asking congress for their release so they can talk...congress hasn't granted it yet.




No way to verify or validate...well isn't that typical of the military...they hold all the evidence under lock and key and guys like you say "Show me the eveidence" to the guys who come forward. If I were to believe guys like you, I would believe that every person who has come forward is nuts or has ulterior motives. If this had been an isolated incident of one witness i would probably agree with you.There have been just too many people now that have come forward with what they know to be ignored or dismissed. The only evidence you will receive is the eyewitness accounts of the people involved in these programs and that's all. If that's not good enough for you, too bad, nobody is twisting your arm to believe them anyway. But I do find it plausible that...well let's see, several hundred high ranking military/intelligence personel have come forward now, and let me guess...every single one of them is nuts or is wanting attention, or is a con or a thief or some other derogatory choice of words you skeptics like to use against these people ?



I think you have summed up what you believe about every single eyewitness account with that statement...so just leave it at that.
Yes there are people who scam and are charlatans looking to make a buck. But not all...not most who come forward.

It's not mine is bigger than yours. It's mine is real.


No. That would be wrong, and likely illegal. And you would understand that if your past clearances were anything other than the ones issued in the 70's to everyone in uniform under the policies of a misguided Navy.



That's your call. Personally, I prefer not to wait til later to sort it out. Occasionally, there is no need to analyze and sort after the fact. I don't pick rotten fruit and add it to the basket to be sorted later.


Milab? I know the stereotype of the evil military industrial complex with its tentacles of secrecy and deceit are just that. A stereotype. Of course there are secrets. But you're looking in the wrong place. Milab is yet another myth.

Congress probably won't and for reasons other than you think.

Again, a stereotype. The big bad evil military. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Most that come forward? That's a stretch. I believe some are genuinely concerned or confused, maybe deluded. But your implication is that most of them are telling the truth for some altruistic reason. I find that highly suspect.

It was dark and all he could see was a light an unknown distance a way, yet he knows its a UFO? how?

Thanks dcman, I don't know why I didn't see that, I guess the kids had more of my attention. So it's this Friday, 9 pm Central, that would make it 10 pm Eastern, right?
I just saw he will have another guest who saw a ferris wheel sized UFO over Ontario with 12 witnesses, interesting. I hope I can listen to this show.

The inconsistencies in that story are so many you could be there all day, but yes... a light at the top of the dam. Not even in the air. But nevertheless, he knows it's a UFO. couldn't it just be someone working on the dam, say? (Is an industrial strength air mechanic's flashlight specially designed for communicating with aircraft, or something?)

First off - the Disclosure Project is a "Talk Show". It's not about actual investigation or even research. It's a "Talk Show" nothing more and nothing less. So to site them .. is just silly, these days.

Congress hasn't granted it. Maybe because what they are asking for is actually TOP SECRET >>GOVERNMENT PROJECTS. Wow! Did that ever once cross your mind in this? What is being asked for would be similar to back when first sightings of the Stealth Plane wouldn't be disclosed...

Tops Secret Projects are classified - be it military or government or private. They are not talked about and certainly not disclosed! But I guess that simply would be to logical. We need it to be "MORE" than that .. we need it to be "ET-Alien" craft!

Start asking the right questions - you might start getting answers. As long as everything is "Alien UFO" - "They" can deny it and for good reason - denial just might be the truth! Again - wow... too simple!



Those guys that come forward. It's funny that I've even asked a few first hand investigator, of these "military claims" - did they verify and validate at least their military status? Did you verify and validate their story as is possible? --> Answer to the few dozen I asked: "NO... Why would we, he had a military uniform on!" "Plus his story just sounded credible...."

Plus did you ever think - that people build on other people's stories in this field? This I have seen happen first hand in chat-rooms. Where people "built" their "missing pieces" of their "abduction" w/other people's "what happened to them". I actually several years back followed up on-line w/this and found that over 3 dozen people actually "filled in their missing pieces" with others... to the person that was the last in that chain - did the same thing based on a BOOK he read!

Plus ever stop to think that they are doing these "Stories" for one thing and one thing only: $$$$. Speaker fees, hopefully a book and such. Believe it or not, Military types like $$$ too - and are not immuned from telling a story or two for $$$'s. Even if it means telling similar stories....



The most who do not come forward are probably like logical people: They have NO CLUE what they saw and will admit, "I cannot tell you it was 'alien' - I simply do not know! It was a Ufo == UN-identified Flying Object. Not actually HEADLINE NEWS, now is it? So they are ignored ... for good reason - they do not push the emotional button on other people.

But the Bottom Line -

Just throwing out phrases like, "I have/had Top Secret Clearance at Area 51..." or other such statements HAVE to be take w/serious doubt and very serious caution as being a SCAM! Why - because real people that have any kind of actual Security Clearance DO NOT talk about what they have access too. They simply do not .... <== It's just that simple. This is the whole point I'm talking about. ONE DOES NOT TALK, PERIOD ..... for a whole lot of legal reasons.

Ah Jj, I see it isn't just the metaphysics forum you enlighten.