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Fox William Mulder
Yesterday I sent an email to NUFORC about their website concerning various erroneous postings in the Illinois section of the site about UFO sightings. I also made a short query into the craft known as the "TR-3B", supposedly a top secret craft being developed by the military which was created from reverse-engineering of alien technology. Here is what I wrote, and following that is the response I received right away from Peter Davenport, NUFORC's director.

WHAT I WROTE:

I have been going through your site and looking at the various reports
listed therein, especially the ones listed on this page:

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlIL.html

And noticed there are quite a few reports listed in there that are not
from Illinois (i.e. Honolulu, Florida, etc) and I was wondering why.
Also I found the one report located here:

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/057/S57629.html

to be rather questionable as this individual sounds like he was
obviously on some kind of drugs at the time (uses the word "trippy"
and other words which are typically used by those who regularly abuse
drugs). Why would something like that even get posted let alone be
taken seriously? I seriously doubt that the Air Force circled "200
times" as this individual claims. I also noticed some double-postings
of the same story on that page, particularly one which involved a
woman (living in Naperville, where I live currently) who claimed she
saw a red laser light that pulsated in the center, which in one
version of the story supposedly floated around her window, and then in
the other version she claimed it floated around her entire bedroom. I
just found that rather odd, the 2 slightly different versions of the
exact same story, the latter of which was cut-off at the end like
something got intentionally deleted.

Also in regards to the Detroit "sighting" here:
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/059/S59091.html

This individual claims a UFO flies through the last part of the
commercial just before the car is blown up. You posted the link to it
on Google Video here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8861352531472015562

yet in the disclaimer below that it clearly states:

"We have not seen the advertisement, but we would be surprised if the
USAF put UFO's in their recruiting pieces. PD".

Now I am assuming that "PD" are your initials here. My point is, why
would you post that link and not even watch the video? I thought you
people took time to investigate these things, not just toss a report
up on the site with what well could be just some lunatic who thought
he saw something, which in turn would lead people to question the very
credibilty and integrity of your organization. I watched this video
and I saw the object in question, but it could be safely assumed that
the "UFO" is merely a large insect of some type taking flight just
before the car explodes.

I take UFOs and investigations into their sightings very seriously (as
long as the witnesses are somewhat credible), but from what I have
seen so far on your site, a lot of it looks like hogwash for lack of a
better term. I read many reports where people typed in ALL CAPS and
grossly misspelled words all over the place, some of which were made
by people who claimed they were in the armed forces, and those just
don't seem to be, at least to myself, legitimate.

I don't have the finances or the expertise to do my own investigations
other than through books or the internet, but I figure since your
organization does, how come there just seems to be a little lack of
professionalism here? I don't know, it just looked like a lot of
things were posted haphazardly and weren't really looked into. I also
saw a great deal of reports lacking a location (i.e. city), or just
had a single line of short text explaining what happened, kind of like
"Oh I saw something" and nothing else really.

Please don't be offended at what I am saying. I am not trying to
discredit your organization's work or anything or the sort. I am just
frustrated at how many hoaxes get spread like wildfire throughout the
internet and the world, because people just want to make a name for
theirselves. This is very apparent with sites like YouTube, where
everything about UFOs and ghosts is presented as being "real" or "the
best UFO evidence ever" when it is obviously faked. I have watched
many, and have yet to find one that holds any real proof. And most
people are so desperate to prove their existence that they see UFOs in
everything, and when you try to politely comment that what they claim
is a UFO is indeed not a UFO, they just delete your comment.

One last thing, I would like to know if this top secret government
craft called the "TR-3B" is a real thing. I have located an object on
Google Earth's maps that appears to be this object I have seen in
other photos. If you are familiar with this program/service I can
provide you with its coordinates: 30°30'36.73"S, 115°22'58.00"E

It's a big black triangular shaped craft, about 385 feet across with
red lights on each tip, another set of lights just inside of those,
and one light in the center. Since Google Earth uses actual satellite
images I doubt it is faked, since Digital Globe is a large company and
I doubt they would just insert something like that as a joke. If this
thing is real, I have a sneaking hunch that it is the same craft which
has been sighted all over the United States (a mass sighting of a
similar object was seen in Tinley Park, Illinois on Halloween a few
years ago) and maybe even Belgium.

Thank you for taking the time to read this in advance, and please
respond A.S.A.P.
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HIS RESPONSE (rather speedy for someone who claims to be very busy):

Thank you for your comments.

I am very busy here, but will take time to read your note in detail, when I
get the time.

If you find reports that you think are obvious hoaxes, or even suspect,
please copy and paste the header for the report, and I will look at them.
We will delete if they are obvious hoaxes.

Please understand...it is ONE PERSON HERE, not a team. I can do only that
which ONE PERSON can do.

Thank you! I prefer short messages, by the way.

Cordially,

Peter
--
Peter B. Davenport, Director
National UFO Reporting Center
Washington State



Now please note he said that there is "ONE PERSON HERE, not a team". If this is true, why is the word "We" used so often on the site? They use it a lot right on the front page ( http://www.nuforc.org/ ). And then he wants me to copy and paste the headers for things I think are hoaxes. Um, doesn't a direct link work a little better than just posting the header? I basically saved him a lot of time by doing that, plus he says he "prefers short messages". Well there was no way I could make that a short message without completely losing the context of what I was trying to say. I was being informative and sharing some insight, and this guy just kind of brushed it off like "whatever".

Now I REALLY question this organization's integrity. Also feel free to check out that google video in the Detroit sighting and you'll see what I was trying to point out. I think this guy (Peter Davenport) is a quack. Please post your thoughts and comments. Thank you.
gtars
Actually Peter Davenport does work alone. He handles dozens of calls per day and tries to get reports on tape and interview the people that call in. Give him a break here guy! He is all alone and recently moved his entire operation to an old missile silo in eastern Washington State. He is still trying to set up shop there and has been ultra busy for months trying to move his entire operation into his new place. He also is a member of the city council there where he moved, and he is quite busy, so give him a break. He tries to sort through the hundreds of reports and tries to weed out the hoaxes. If he asks you for a little bit of help, quit whining about it and do it. He works his butt off and has one of the better sites on the net for hundreds of reports that come in each month. He is a really good guy and I think you are dogging him without cause here. Give the man a break. If you do what he asks you to do, just maybe your problems will be resolved huh? Get off his back and do YOUR part for the cause.
Jjbreen
I have had two run in's with Peter Davenport ... both left me going, " I think this guy has been alone and in this field a tad tooo long."

There is no "we". He runs it alone, here in the state and city I live in. Seattle, WA. So I doubt he is even aware of anything actually going on in Ill. His base is here in Washington and specifcally Seattle.

Im not surprised by your encounter - one man trying to run a 'nation wide' program that he is trying to do - I honestly think he's 'lost some crediblity' by taking on more than one man can even come close to dealing with.

Again you are right - there is no "WE" - only him.

EDITED - I see that apparently he's moved from the Seattle area since my encounter with him. But as is also stated, there is no "we"... just him.
Fox William Mulder
QUOTE (gtars @ Nov 7 2007, 01:31 AM) *
Actually Peter Davenport does work alone. He handles dozens of calls per day and tries to get reports on tape and interview the people that call in. Give him a break here guy! He is all alone and recently moved his entire operation to an old missile silo in eastern Washington State. He is still trying to set up shop there and has been ultra busy for months trying to move his entire operation into his new place. He also is a member of the city council there where he moved, and he is quite busy, so give him a break. He tries to sort through the hundreds of reports and tries to weed out the hoaxes. If he asks you for a little bit of help, quit whining about it and do it. He works his butt off and has one of the better sites on the net for hundreds of reports that come in each month. He is a really good guy and I think you are dogging him without cause here. Give the man a break. If you do what he asks you to do, just maybe your problems will be resolved huh? Get off his back and do YOUR part for the cause.

Hey now I thought there were RULES here about attacking another member, and that response was pretty blatant don't you think, hot-shot? I AM doing my part for the cause as was evident in what I posted and emailed to the guy.

If the guy works alone then he shouldn't post stuff which leads people to believe that there is more than one person running the organization. That in of itself gives people the wrong idea and leads to discredibility, which is exactly what I was saying to him in so many words.

It's called "misrepresentation". And besides, with so many people out there who believe in UFOs, like myself, it shouldn't be all that difficult to find help, right? Save your flaming for those who legitimately deserve it. I don't deserve to be disrespected like that. It's immature and I am above that sort of thing on forums. I merely was making some observations. Thank you.
gtars
QUOTE (Fox William Mulder @ Nov 7 2007, 02:53 AM) *
Hey now I thought there were RULES here about attacking another member, and that response was pretty blatant don't you think, hot-shot? I AM doing my part for the cause as was evident in what I posted and emailed to the guy.

If the guy works alone then he shouldn't post stuff which leads people to believe that there is more than one person running the organization. That in of itself gives people the wrong idea and leads to discredibility, which is exactly what I was saying to him in so many words.

It's called "misrepresentation". And besides, with so many people out there who believe in UFOs, like myself, it shouldn't be all that difficult to find help, right? Save your flaming for those who legitimately deserve it. I don't deserve to be disrespected like that. It's immature and I am above that sort of thing on forums. I merely was making some observations. Thank you.


Sorry if I sounded too brash on the post. I will agree with both of you that he shouldn't misrepresent the organization by saying "we". Point well taken.
I do understand your position in the email that you wrote, and it is just very hard for him to take the time necessary to remedy the situation for you.
I was just saying that he does work alone and that he has his hands full. As Jjbreen said, he probably is spreading himself too thin. I agree that he should put more people on board, but he probably can't afford it. I don't think he makes any money on what he does and only does it as a "hobby" and he is genuinely interested in the phenomenon, but he does what he can with his limited time and budget. I was not trying to upset you and I even have to agree with many of your points here. I just think that at least he is one person out there trying to make a difference, and even though he may be spreading himself thin, at least he is doing something, and I have to give him credit for what he does do on making a lot of information available each month for all of us to read. Your points are well taken and I am not meaning to upset you either. Forgive me if I came off a tad bit hard on that part. I do understand your frustration and I do agree that it would be great if he got some volunteers to help him out with the great service he is trying to do. thumbsup.gif
Mr.Debo1
Fox

This is exactly what I have encoutered on several sites indicating a reason to 'believe'. With mis-information and repetition of inaccurate data, how can one accept it as being nothing other than a hoax.

I do "Amateur Research" on this site and also broadcast on blogtv on week ends. This is one of the guide lines that I mention often while researching the UFO possibilities.

I have encountered some peculiar instances in email from such sites and remove them from my contact list soon after.

Posting the link is actually the best way to single out an article in question with obvious questions ingnored about the three "W's".

Keep up the good work, remember, do your home work, research it. Then you have the truth arrived by your own merits.

Sincerly
Mr.Debo1
snuffypuffer
I think you're making a big deal over some simple semantics. It doesn't really matter one way or the other. In fact, "we" is the proper way to refer to an organization, even if there is just one member.

Calm down, take some deep breaths, you'll be okay. yes.gif
Jjbreen
One man trying to run a nation wide 'UFO report' site - Errors and a lot of them are going to be made. Especially since this is done on his spare time as a hobby.

There is no way he can nor will he follow-up on reports, especially in other states, like Ill. He simply cannot do it .. he has not the money, time or the resources to do so. So errors are going to be there and well - what can you do? Crediblity and accuracy are not going to be there .... but excuses, honest or not are going to be at the for-front.

I also know a few people that have offered to help him and he turned them down. Reason's were not stated to the people that volunteered, they were just told, "no thanks..." Which made no snse to these people, they would have at least appreciated a reason for the, "No thanks..." But none were given. So I am not sure what to tell you on this one ...

Good intentions on Peter Davenports side are simply not going to make crediblity available .. he is human, so error are going to be a serious fact of this specific network.
Cinders
Fox William Mulder...

I posted about a recent article regarding NUFORC on THIS THREAD where you will also find my comments as well.

At the end of the full article, it sounds like Peter Davenport does not seem to be into this much any more: "Initially this job was fun," Davenport said of running the UFO center. Now it is just "a secretarial job."

BTW, because it is run by a one man band show, that is why the Report database takes TWO MONTHS or so to be updated and that's not good....
lost_shaman
QUOTE (Cinders @ Nov 7 2007, 11:51 PM) *
Fox William Mulder...

I posted about a recent article regarding NUFORC on THIS THREAD where you will also find my comments as well.

At the end of the full article, it sounds like Peter Davenport does not seem to be into this much any more: "Initially this job was fun," Davenport said of running the UFO center. Now it is just "a secretarial job."

BTW, because it is run by a one man band show, that is why the Report database takes TWO MONTHS or so to be updated and that's not good....


Well not only that but no-one would have ever heard about NUFORC or Peter Davenport IF the Air Force didn't reference NUFORC!!!

For years the Air Force took UFO reports. After Blue Book people reporting to the Air Force were, and have been, referred to NUFORC by the Air Force!!! That's not conspiracy theory, it's fact!






Cinders
QUOTE (lost_shaman @ Nov 7 2007, 11:58 PM) *
Well not only that but no-one would have ever heard about NUFORC or Peter Davenport IF the Air Force didn't reference NUFORC!!!

For years the Air Force took UFO reports. After Blue Book people reporting to the Air Force were, and have been, referred to NUFORC by the Air Force!!! That's not conspiracy theory, it's fact!


When I called the Air National Guard back in 1992 about a sighting, they told me what we saw / taped was not theirs and referred me to contact MUFON (which at the time was a bad choice) But they never mentioned NUFORC to me.

In all fairness, most all UFO reporting agencies in the USA are run on VOLUNTEERS. Some have more than ONE running the organization, others truly "investigate" while others just report what was submitted without investigating or screening the report.

Reading through some reports on NUFORC, it seems the report can be WAY off the wall, and Davenport just posts it out there thinking it's harmless and does not state a comment to the report. Other reports I've read seem quite serious or important to the person submitting the report, and Davenport injects saying the person only saw Venus etc.

Here's another article I found a few months ago regarding NUFORC - I'm just not sure how old it is or if this is true or not - a bit bizarre though:

National UFO Reporting Center Covering up Real Sightings?
Jjbreen
Basically the other night something was brought to my attention that made a lot of sense;

Peter Davenport does get to travel to "speak" about UFO Sightings and such. He gets paid to do this! I guess that's how he funds his "hobby". He has a name and is somewhat in the "iime light" - but if anyone really bothered to check out what he does w/this "hobby" ... I wonder if he would be so much in the "lime light"?

The line that he uses a lot - "I do not investigate or research the reports. I am just a librarian. I am, though more an observer of human emotions and interaction with these events and reports."

So for it being a hobby - I guess we see the actual results of what happens when the "hobby" gets bigger then the man .... it starts to crumble in the crediblity and realiablity department.

I guess it also shows just how serious the Airf Frce/ Air National Guard takes these reports now - they brush them off to UFO report centers. Hmm....
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