Few people are aware of how large a role German rocket scientists played in the creation of NASA, and the fact that many of them were hard core nazis (even the name "NASA" suggests "nazi") and even war criminals. NASA's partner for unmanned missions has been Jet Propulsion Laboratories, created primarily by Cal Tech chemist and rocket enthusiast Jack Parsons. Parsons, along with L. Ron Hubbard (founder of scientology) and Aleister Crowley (who called himself "666," was a member of the mysterious cult OTO, or Order of the Temple of the Orient, which began in Germany and Austria at the very beginning of the twentieth century. Closely allied and connected with OTO was the Order of the New Templars, which later became the German Order and then became (with the same goals and mostly the same members) the Thule Society, which created the nazi party.
Every last one of the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo astronauts were of German or English ancestry, groups favored by the nazis. Many were Masons, and a Masonic flag was taken to the moon. The Masons are a reappearance of the Knights Templar (see above). And we are expected to trust these people? William B Stoecker

"There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."

- Senator Daniel K. Inouye

"In the councils of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

- President Eisenhower, January 1961

I think like a lot of people, William, your knowledge of the purpose of secret societies and their relationship one to another is confused, and certainly not helped by these groups practice of mythologolizing themselves.

There are big problems with some of the things you assert -- like Masonry being evolved from the Templars or that the Nazis had a direct relationship with the Thule Gesellschaft (not that I'm defending either). Maybe you'd be interested in the books from Sky Books. They certainly follow up on the angle you've found (or are repeating) and they don't let little things like learning and logic stop them.

--Jaylemurph

Shades of Richard Hoagland! Your historical "facts" may have a few kernels of truth, but not 100% which is what is required to be complete history. When the word nazi is used, it is usually to indicate individuals who were involved in being brutal, denying human rights. To an intelligent person the name, or initials, N.A.S.A. do NOT suggest Nazi, only to a conspiracist. When Werner von Braun and his cohorts were "rescued" by the U.S. it was for their advanced rocket knowledge, not the fact that they were aiding Hitler in his conquest of Europe. They were doing their "thing", separately from concentration camps.

At no time have I ever heard or seen anything connected to NASA associated with nazism or secret rituals or occult meanings, etc. We were always kept abreast of most everything they did supported by film/video crews. Same thing for astronaut training.

It does bother me a little bit that an astronaut is shown on the moon holding a masonic flag. Whatever that meant, it doesn't seem to have filtered down to affect anyone in particular within and without NASA.

Perhaps Jim Oberg, our resident NASA spokesperson, can shed additional light on the charges made by Hoagland and supporters.

"The business of the United States Government is war."
- Edward Lopez

Stunning. Utterly stunning.

The mindset that produces this sort of creative association and fantasizing is amazing...albeit somewhat disturbing.

Whoah. Slow news day?

I think Texxe Mars has a video on this subject..Im aware of this topic and have even heard some of the expeiments that took place on some space missions were ancient occult ritiuals, ( bees in space )

hey NASA is cool...i mean i love watching all are tax moneys put to a good use/.

they use million dollars bots to walk around the moons for why>?to find life>?no

you can find signs of life with sate cameras, they go up there and mostly all that

they bring back is rocks all the money is spent for moon rocks.

why rocks?

Yes, there are actual few things which utilize tax dollars in a better fashion.



We actually used men, who did a heck of alot more than any un-manned craft could possibly do.
We weren't actually looking for life, although a few things were done in that vein. We rather understood the odds of life on the Moon were slim.



What's a "sate camera"?



The question is illustrative of a couple things:

1) You very likely weren't around for Apollo.
2) You have no idea what was done during that program, or why it was done.
3) You do not know the limitations of un-manned craft, nor their capabilites, nor the vastly greater capabilites and advantages of having a manned presence on the lunar surface.
4) you have an exceeding narrow view, and see only the immediately visible...thus, the rather elementary idea that we went there and spent billions for rocks.

If you are unsure about Apollo, I've got to say that explaining the "why" and the "what" of it would take alot more effort, and alot more bandwidth than is appropriate or necessary in this forum.

Allow me to link you to just one thing, as a primer:


APOLLO PROGRAM SUMMARY REPORT - APRIL 1975 - JSC-09423

This is a summary report, mind you...at 522 pages. It'll tell you a great deal about what happened, how, and why.
That just scrathces the surface of Apollo and what it was about.


Give that a try. See you in a few months!

LOL...yeah OK i will give it a try if i get snowed in but im sure i will only make it 20 pages before i start

looking for pictures
i would just be happy if all they do is collect more rocks so everyone could have a pet moon rock. This is a summary report, mind

Spot on. The level of intelligence exhibited on this forum of late has sunk to the level of pond life.

Should not put yourself down like that!

Red..

There are, fortunately, a bunch of pictures in that summary report. In color too!
Enjoy it ( ), when you get snowed in.


Now:




Sure we would.
We had those cameras (and still do), and we took tons of photos from orbit with Hasaselblads and with mapping cameras aboard the SIM BAYS (in the SMs of AS15 through 17). Noy joy on the real sizable signs of life.



You'll have to clarify that a bit, I'm afraid. What building?



Well, un-manned spacecraft have landed on the Moon and Mars for decades sucessfully. However, in certain cases, failures have occurred where manned presence at the controls would've been able to save the day. This is true, but I was referring more to the manned presence on the surface in respect to what trained eyes and hands can accomplish relative to a machine.

The machine cannot analyze, cannot descriminate, cannot set up large scale packages of scientific experiments, cannot think, and certainly cannot document samples and collect large amounts of material for transport back to Earth. As well, the machine cannot do these things with the mobility of a human being.





I'll give you the intermediate level!
The space program has acted toward the good of mankind since its inception, and has resulted in the level of technological comfort that most people enjoy today...including the computer that you use to communicate here, and the microwave that you may use to heat up something tasty, and your cell phone (if you have one), etc., etc. The contributions of the space program to mankind enter into every field of endeavor.

I'm not sure where the first two points above relate to our current plans for lunar exploration. I can tell you that c) is not among the plans, as it is ridiculous, makes absolutely no sense, and is against the treaties concerning the use of space which all operational parties to manned space exploration are a signatories of.

Who was it that put himself down?

The world of governments and public is just as you see it, nothing out of the ordinary. Certainly no plot going on. Just a sweet sunshiny day and all the regular corruptions to fill your coffee cup. But wait! How much crap do you usually take until you find out that the source isn't as clean as you thought? Perhaps your daily drugs in the fashion of the senseless shows and routine life keep you as satisfied as a cow being fed altered grass. On your backs and your father's back, a large and booming industry made. If this makes you sound like a slave, please, perish the though! Certainly, you aren't beaten if you don't work. You don't always have to provide for some bigger picture in order to provide for yourself. Certainly, you are within your own restrictions. Certainly, you are happy. No not slave, you are not that free. Maybe drone.

What keeps a happy multi-manipulator happy? That you provide him with all the power and political ok sign to do whatever he wants wherever he wants at the same time loving it. That is the madness of shut up and follow suit. Too bad all of our real rebels died in whatever disposing even occurred there on that last hill fought over yonder. Thousands of years ago. The power to raise drones with a crooked finger is something that many of the few real rebels can stand. And yet, where there is anarchy, there is fresh soil to plant anew the next generation of drone farmers.

I like it, I think.
But what does it mean in relation to NASA?

OM... that would be its not out there cuase it is out there...

lots and lots of Rocks thats what is there.

I thank NASA everyday for the greatest

gift of all...TANG!!!

thanks guys you rock

And all this time I thought it was William B Stoeker!




Actually, "Tang" was General Foods Corporation's gift.
NASA picked it because they thought that was a great way form to package drinks. Besides, back in Gemini days, potable water from fuel cells tasted crappy, and we needed something to put a little flavor in the water.

"Tang" was picked by NASA, not invented by NASA. General Foods became a supplier of NASA, and I don't think they were the only powedered drink manufacturer used (none of the containers for flight operations said "Tang" on them. They were repackaged and labeled generically, "Orange Drink", Pineapple Grapefruit Drink", etc...


Unfortunately, NASA can't take credit for "Tang"!

Oh dear! some people on here really lack humour

Nice non-answer to the question.

As to humor, I was quite amused (albeit in a slightly distressed way) with the OPs post. I had a fleeting feeling that it might be a joke.
Unfortunately, I don't think I was right in that feeling.

Humor eh?

I thought



Was somewhat humorous. Perhaps a little more in-you-face that I would've been, but nonetheless, accurate concerning the message presented...

Im sure itnotoutthere understood why i said that to him, and im sure he saw the funny side of it too, so leave it at that.

I don't know about the occult, but they sure do have ties to the Nazis. Well, they did at one time but hey World War 2 ended a long time ago, so who cares? The term Nazi has nothing to do with modern NASA.

The disturbing thing about NASA is their severe lack of funding. They are basically little more than entertainment for us earthlings. They send out their little probes, and do their silly experiments that are meaningless. It's like masturbation without the payoff at the end. Heck the shuttle has been going since before I was born and that was over 20 years ago. What the heck is up with keeping that old relic around?

The funding they need to develop radical new engine designs and a multitude of other technologies to support long term space missions still goes largely unfunded. NASA is pathetic, and is probably just a front for a secondary black space program that we aren’t in the know about.

/rant mode off….heh

talking of pond life.......

i'm sure you saw the humour in that.

Course i dd

:-)

This is like watching a tennis match, lol.

I would add that the term "nazi" had nothing to do with NASA in the early days either. I have never understood where that idea came from.
Of course, people are referring to the many German rocketry people (most notably Dr. von Braun) who surendered to the Americans when it was clear that the Allied forces were going to take Berlin at the end of WWII.

These people were members of the Nazi party only because they were forced to be. Von Braun had no desire to build missiles to act as weapons. He wanted to explore space, an idea that angered Hitler, and which was forbidden to discuss because Der Fuhrer the lunatic wanted these people making bigger and better roacket weapons. Von Braun was imprisoned for a time because of his positions about space exploration and looked for an out. In fact, when he bolted with his team, he was hotly pursued by the Nazi's and if caught, would've been most certainly killed. His decision was relatively easy, surrender to the Americans or the Soviets. No brainer, and we were the better for it.

These men weren't Nazis. They all became American citizens and their contributions to the American space program stand at the top of the list of accomplishments. If not for von Braun and his team, we would never have gotten to the Moon.



I would agree with the underfunding concept wholeheartedly. It's always been that way.
There was a time when I felt that manned space flight at NASA was misdirected and almost pointless (ca. 1985 through 1998, roughly speaking). That is a long and complex story involving many areas of human behavior and emphasis that would be in appropriate and unnecessary to discuss here. However, on the un-manned side, NASA has never been meaningless. The un-manned space program has, for 35 years, been the only space exploration actually being done, and it has been magnificent in every respect.

Your comment regadring their "little probes" and "silly experiments" points to an almost complete lack of understanding as to what space exploration is about, and what's been done in the past several decades. These "little probes" have expanded human knowledge exponentially, and have paid for themselves tenfold.

As to the Shuttle, you must understand that it was designed to be around for as long as it has been around, and it is not an "old relic". It is the most advanced flying machine that has ever been created, and today, it is actually little like the Shuttles that were flying initially in the early 1980s. It is easy to come to the conclusions you come to given your age. It's all you've been exposed to.

I would however, maintain that you haven't been paying attention.
While the Shuttle has inherent problems in its design (again a much too complicated issue to deal with here), you really must have missed the fact that the Shuttle has had a mission since the International Space Station was finally approved of and construction was begun.

Further, since return to flight with STS-114, NASA has returned to its prominence in the space business, fully.
If you think they're doing nothing, you missed ther past two weeks of STS-120, which was a classic illustration of NASA at its very best.






In 2010, the Shuttle will be retired, and a whole new generation of spacecraft and missions of exploration will begin to start their work. This is due to the foresight of President George Bush.

We can only hope that future administrations will continue the process that the Bush administration has started (an essential). Electing the right person to the office in 2008 will be the start of that assurance.

Have you heard of the RS-58, or the J-2X engine development that is currently in work for the Ares launch vehicles? Have you heard of Orion, the LSAM or the Constellation Program? The ISS is all about long term space exploration projects, and these new engines, and spacecraft, are the propulsion and vehicles we will use for them.

NASA is hardly pathetic. They are right now on the cutting edge of development and exploratory programs. Their performance in the past several years has been as good as it's ever been. They're getting the money to do what they've been mandated to do by President Bush.

NASA today is better at communicating what it's doing to the public than at any tiome in their 49 year history. That you don't know about these things is astounding, given the availability of information that exists.

People who talk about a "secondary black space program that we don't know about" haven't taken the time to actually look and see what's going on. It's fantastic stuff.

Mid wrote: These people were members of the Nazi party only because they were forced to be. Von Braun had no desire to build missiles to act as weapons. He wanted to explore space

I find this a little hard to swallow mid, you have no proof of this other than the words of a man who worked for the third reich, and got captured, sorry gave his self up to the west.
A little to convieneint me thinks.

You like that "liitle too convenient" label, don't you?
It's a little too true, actually. Is it that the well-documented truth is just un-acceptable?

Von Braun's story was known in 1946...about his distain for the Nazis, about the fact that he, and everyone else was a member of the Nazi party because they had to be (please remember what the Nazi regime was, an authoritarian regime hell bent on control of the population...refusing to join the party would not have been a good thing for your health, not to mention your career). His imprisonment in Germany is also well documented, as was his desire to get the hell out of there.

He was interrogated by the U.S. thoroughly (and rather naturally) after his surrender, and began working for the U.S. Army. He then became a naturalized American citizen.
We don't allow Nazi war criminals to do such things.
He went to work for NASA in 1958, and became first director of the Marshall Space Flight Center, where his talents caused him to be considered the Father of the U.S. Space Program.


Proof?
You've got to be kidding...