I know why people believe without requiring evidence. When it comes to the subject of UFOs and aliens, a high number of individuals believe that the U.S. Gov't (and possibly other governments) is withholding evidence for the reality of UFOs/aliens. They believe that UFOs have crashed, that these "captured craft" are being reverse-engineered, that the bodies of the occupants/aliens are being stored in various facilities and medical procedures are being performed on the dead ones, and ...

I'm not one of these believing individuals. I don't accept any of the above and accept only that there are billions of reported sightings that the government has possibly stored in warehouses because there is nothing that can be done with these reports. There is nothing to study because the government is not qualified to study UFOs since they are fleeting occurrences. The reports that are released thanks to the Public Information Act (or whatever it's called, I forgot) are usually blacked out in large sections which I accept are sections that contain sensitive data. There are possibly photos/films/videos that have been "confiscated" for one reason or another.

So to those of you that are constantly asking for government disclosure, what would please you? What is it that you want Uncle Sam to show you? What would you accept?

Let's hear it.

The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth...whatever that may be.


As for evidence Ed, what would you consider to be valid evidence? What would convince you of the reality of alien life forms visiting this planet? (don't expect ET showing up at your house to come steal your socks for fuel)...lol just kidding Ed

You have had a UFO experience as have many of us here. Would you care to share what happened...and what is your feelings on what you witnessed...what is your gut instinct about it? How has it changed you...and what do you really want to believe about it?

I don't need additional evidence for UFOs since with my sightings that was all I needed to take me beyond curiosity. For evidence of aliens, and I use that term to mean non-human at least not from our present reality, I require seeing a UFO land and a being step out of it. That will be the clincher. Reports by others do not get through to me as they are hearsay regardless of the reality to the experiencer. It has to be MY experience. A report of such an event happening anywhere on earth with enough cameras to record it from various POVs would possibly affect me emotionally but I couldn't make the jump until I experience it. Another thing, I am not of the opinion that aliens are visiting this planet. They could be but they could also simply be from another location not necessarily physical. While I am not a 100% supporter of all of Meier's photos, his films are another matter and if the dematerializing craft is real, then it isn't that the ship is moving faster than the eye can follow but that it is making a "jump" into another reality possibly concurrent with ours. We really don't know know how many realities there are since we are focused on the physical plane and have had no connection with any other. But put on a pair of Polarizing sunglasses and you see things your "normal" eyes do not see.

I've had 6 sightings, all solid, and I won't bore the forumers with their description again. How was I affected, I'm beyond being affected, only the first one through binoculars affected me physically which resulted in my trembling. Since that one, they are just glorious moments.

Im sure people on here would like to know what you saw, so can you please explain what you saw.

My 1st sighting occurred in the early 1980s while living in (The Great San Fernando Valley) Los Angeles and visiting friends in Fullerton (Orange County), California. I went to their backyard and using my 7-15 zoom binoculars started to admire the nearby hills, starting at 7X. The following may be my imagination as my memories are not as clear over 20 years later. I thought I saw a silver/aluminum color "craft" edge on with a dome hovering at a low height. It seemed to be riding invisible waves, bobbing gently. Wanting to see it at 15X I moved towards a low wooden fence so that I could rest my arms and get better, solid support because when I saw the "craft" I started to tremble slightly and my arms could not hold the binoculars steady. But after I rested my arms on the fence I couldn't find the object, whatever it may have been, if it was real. I don't think an illusion could cause me to tremble at the realization of something that until that moment had been experienced by others and possibly not that clear and close.

UFOs "DISGUISED" AS STARS. My 2nd sighting occurred a short while later at night back in our apartment building. I went down to the darkened pool area and laid down on one of the recliners facing West. Using the binoculars at 7X I started scanning the sky slowly. I saw 3 widely-spaced stars in a vertical row and I stopped and stared at them. Rows of stars are not unusual but this row grabbed my attention. As I started to look away the 1st or top star suddenly shot away at an extremely high rate of speed towards the south. I froze and saw the 2nd or middle star also shoot away in the same direction, followed a moment later by the 3rd or bottom star. Years later when Internet UFO forums (alt.) propagated I read of similar experiences to mine.

Jump to 2004 for my 3rd sighting. On June 20, I took a walk with my wife, Linda. We left our apartment building and walked towards Central Park, a half block from our apartment building. She walked on the shady side of the street and I crossed to the sunny side of the street. As I've trained myself to do whenever I step outside, I started looking at the sky. It was cloudy with breaks where the blue sky was visible. In one of those breaks I saw a high-altitude white orb-like object hauling and it had no recognizable features such as wings. I pointed it out to a person that was walking towards me and we looked at it for the short while it was visible between clouds. Just as it disappeared above the clouds I became aware I had my digital camcorder with me! Linda and I walked through Central Park towards 5th Avenue but before we exited the park we decided to separate as I wanted to go to Belvedere Castle, a weather station on a rocky area overlooking the Great Lawn. I went up and found myself on the stairs that overlook the Delacorte Theatre and Turtle Pond below and the Great Lawn in the background. I started practicing videotaping the airplanes in the distance ascending from La Guardia airport. When I saw a plane appearing above the distant buildings I started videotaping and zoomed in on the space into which the airplane would eventually fly. As I zoomed in I lost my balance on the stairs and started to fall forward but regained my balance. Later, when I played back the videotape on the TV I saw that I had recorded a stationary white dot which was definitely a UFO in the same frame as the ascending airplane. Looking at the tape frame-by-frame the UFO appears to have moved. My report with photos can be found at rense.com and HBCC under Central Park.

A week or so after the above sighting I was waiting for at a bus stop. I looked up and saw a small, wispy cloud in an otherwise clear blue sky. Sitting in the center and obviously behind the cloud, as if "hiding" I saw a white object. I tried to videotape it but had a problem with my digital camcorder. The night before I had practiced using the night MagicVue feature to tape the dark backyard outside our living room window. After I finished, I forgot to put the camcorder back to normal for daylight videotaping. When I tried to videotape the UFO behind the cloud, all I could see in the viewfinder was a message about the infrared filter. It took only a few seconds to put the camcorder back to normal but for the few seconds that I looked away the UFO was gone!

About a month after the above I took a walk in the neighborhood but left the camcorder at home 'cause I didn't feel like toting the slightly heavy camcorder. As I turned on an intersection I looked up and saw a dark, round object hovering in the sky at a low altitude so its round shape was clear. At first I thought it was a balloon but I stopped and stared at it. A passerby saw me craning my neck and inquired as to what I was looking. I pointed out the object to him. After a while of comparing notes, he agreed that it had to be a UFO to be just hovering there with a slight rotating movement visible, and sometimes gently tilting . A balloon would have drifted away or if it was being held by one hell of a long string it would have oscillated and, really, whatever it was couldn't be tethered at that height. And it was not a kite. After about 5 minutes the object seemed to be rising ever so slowly and I went home with a pain in my neck. And aggravated that once again I failed to get what would have been great footage.

Vey good ufo sightings, and i understand why you are interested in the subject. I have always been interested in ufo's. Off course it would be cool if some of these were ET, but thats not why i love the subject. Has anyone said to you that what you saw can be explained, and do you agree with them?
Because their are many people out there who have seen something strange, only for someone to turn around and say it was venus, even though they know it was not. If i saw something, i would find that some frustrating.

I had the UFO's disguised as stars happen here in Germnay. Exact same thing happened. What got my attenetion is that they were in a straight line formation. At first glace I thought they were stars and then I thought "hey" these stars are odd and the rest happened just like yours.

I have been researching this stuff for years and there is so much that you have to weed through. There is so much information and disinformation, theories and what-not. It can drive you bonkers! For me, my answer would be the same as dcman: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. There are too many credible witnesses for me not to believe. We have astronauts, police officers, airoplane pilots, people from all over the world, multiple witnesses, people from the inside wanting to come forward. People who have lost their lives after coming forward with information.

Then again, though I know some people could handle the truth of u.fo's and whatever is piloting those ships, I believe that most couldn't.

I've been interested in UFOs since 1958. No one knows if UFOs are manned by ETs or even if ETs exist. Also UFOs could be RCVs (Remote Controlled Vehicles) IF they are vehicles. We don't know anything except that certain objects that are called UFOs are seen worldwide. We don't know if these objects are craft, vehicles, entities, etc. The shapes are various and just as there are many tribes in Africa that have nothing to do with each so there may be UFOs not connected to each other. We just don't know.

No one has ever discussed my sightings so no one has ever said it could be what they think it is based on my description. As far as any sighting, mine or anyone elses, being Venus I do not accept that explanation. A person looking up and seeing something that they do not recognize has many factors for or against that something being other than human-made or natural. A person has to have spent a lot of time looking up and being able to recognize all human aircraft at various heights and at various speeds and at various angles and in all lighting conditions. And it also depends on the individual's vision, glasses or no glasses, etc.

Whenever I'm outside and it's not overcast or 100% cloudy, I scan the sky constantly. Seeing a UFO again is not going to make me jump out of my shoes and all that will happen is that while I'm reaching for my digicam I do not take my eyes off the object and if there is anyone near me I'll engage them to look without telling them where or what to see. They have to match what I see by themselves. That's verification. Never take your eyes off the object once you've spotted it/them. If you have a camera learn to activate it while bringing it up to your eyes and keep one eye on the object.

These same "disguised stars" are seen and videotaped from space but a NASA expert here on the forum claims they're ice crystals, etc.

I want them to admit that they have information regarding weird sky stuff from at least the 30s. Like bright objects that can go to amazing speeds and do sharp turns. I would like to know why they don't want to disclose this information. If they don't keep information, like an archive, things that pilots reported seeing, did they think it was not worth keeping till lately? How many of the "sightings" would cause security issues if disclosed?

In a hypothetical situation. Lets say ETs or Interdimensional beings existed, what would they do about it?

The problem with your view, shared by tons of UFO enthusiasts/conspirators, is that you think that the US Gov't has any information aside from simple reports by people from all walks of life, radar reports, pilot reports, etc. I don't understand why people think that governments (particularly the US Gov't) has any info aside from what is found in those tons of reports.

Yes, videos taken from space show objects making angled turns. Heck, my friend who just passed away recently, Jeff Challender, sent me a DVD of a 20+minute sighting he and his family had and he shot video of it. While the UFO hangs around for a long while doing nothing spectacular, it starts to do amazing things that human craft is not capable of doing such as zigzags.

But the government knows as much about UFOs as we do. They're not privy to anything and when they deny they have information it's just because that's the truth. So they have reports that include sensitive information, so they have some photos/films/videos that show the same things we can see on the internet. They have no information to disclose!

The Disclosure Project only brought out people claiming they saw things and wrote reports about whatever they saw. Uncle Sam is being pilloried by people who want something that doesn't exist.

In this post, you speak with certainty. How are you this sure? How is this different from someone believing in aliens without solid conclusive proof? Do you work at the top of the chain of CIA, FBI or whatever? Do you even work in any position giving you security clearance?

Nah, I'm just your average 69-year-old retired UFO enthusiast who knows more about UFOs than the majority of humans! I've forgotten more about UFOs than some will learn about. I speak with certainty because common sense and logic dictate that I do. I'm not a believer or a conspiracist. The difference between me and someone believing in aliens is that I do not believe, period. If I don't experience it, I don't reject it outright, it is kept in the back burner of my mind. But with aliens, I "know" that if they exist no one has seen any and reports of such are questionable. The popular vision of big-eyed greys is a human creation. No one know what aliens, if they exist in our reality, look like. Definitely not the US Gov't.

The person that I am could never work for the CIA, FBI, NSA, OSI, IRT, BMT, IND, or whatever as it is my opinion that these government agencies are composed of outlaws, people beyond the reach of the laws that affect us. The agencies should be dismantled. But that's a fantasy just like the fantasy that there are more than reports of UFOs.

I did have a SECRET clearance while in the Air Force.

If there is no evidence there is just speculation. I don't deal with speculation.

What level of clearance did you get and what field/MOS/Rating was this clearance for?
If you don't mind me asking. What you say about common sense does make sense. The way I think about the government is that they would be very interested in something that could possibly be enemy and has a technology that can outmatch their best jets a million times over. This information would probably be kept sensative because lots of crap could hit the fan. Which is why if this is true, would it be possibly to reveal "enough" about this situation to not cause security concerns? The subject about UFOs that center on my mind is the ones back in the 30s. I can recall a painting dating back to the renaissance, (seen on history channel) of a similar object in the sky. It was painted in the corner in a "Oh yea, and theres that thing in the background" way.

Regarding the Roswell incident,for instance,the Air Force has had three different explanations of what happened. First it was a flying disc,then it was a weather balloon,then it was a Project Mogul balloon. So the Air Force had info that they did not make public in 1947,that it was a Project Mogul balloon. If it took them fifty years to admit it was a Project Mogul balloon,it seems reasonable that they might have other info they are not sharing.

I don't understand why people think that the Government would tell the rest of us what they know about UFOs or ETs, if they know anything at all, period. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that the US Government really had a crashed UFO stored at Wright-Patterson AFB or wherever. To own up to this fact would be to instantly invite demands from every other government in the world, friendly and otherwise, to "let us have a look." Obviously the US government would not like to oblige and would find itself in an uncomfortable diplomatic situation. Honesty would not be the best policy in this case. Believers in the Disclosure Project and filers of FOIA requests should not be holding their breath.

But other governments have. I feel if they can the US should follow their example.

But the US is a deeply religious country remember>maybe they think it would disrupt faith>many christians are/were the main supporters of the republican party. I'm purely speculating on this remember

Isn't the republican party the most ardent in concealing the UFO phenomena ?

Admitting there is something to the UFO phenomena may disrupt the Christian sector and the fact that many that believe in UFO's> think they are Satans angels or something to that order

Just a thought ?

Look, you're talking about experienced military personnel. Not the basic airmen, but the officers. I'm sure that if a REAL alien craft crashed and no matter how badly broken up it could have been, the debris would have shown that it wasn't an average human-constructed aircraft because these people dealt with all types of aircraft and I'm sure a few of them saw the results of crashes. I did. In the 1950s when I was in the Air Force I volunteered to go to a crash site and recover whatever was recoverable including seeing human parts. The propeller was driven into the ground because of the impact but it was recognizable. As were all of the other parts of the aircraft.

In Roswell you didn't have a human aircraft and you didn't have any other type of craft. I prefer to stay with the original reports of what was found and as reported. You know damn well that you couldn't construct an alien craft with the debris that was found and reported. But, it's 1947, we're at "war" with the Russians and they don't know (probably) that we're spying on them with primitive equipment. If you find part of this primitive equipment, are you going to reveal to the press that, yes, it does exist, or are you going to come up with a cover story?

Allegedly, even though the officers involved were pretty intelligent they were not privy to all projects going on. They were involved in their world. Here comes something outside of their world and they probably don't know how to handle it.

Trust me. An alien craft did not crash at Roswell nor anywhere else on planet earth. No alien bodies were recovered and taken to facilities. No part of any alien craft was taken to facilities to be reverse-engineered. Nothing happened at Roswell out of the ordinary. To believe otherwise is to have lost the capacity to think logically and not go off askew because starting in the late 1970s(!) someone decided to make a mountain out of a hill and pave the way to the bank.

It's an interesting question. If the Government doesn't have any evidence for UFO's, then, obviously they won't be able to provide it.

What would be nice, would be a list of all recorded UFO sightings, sorted by date with a rating as to the plausibility of the explanation given. I find it hard to believe that even the Government are able to come up with airtight explanations for all UFO sightings.

Also, a steer, as to the timescale that a UFO may be officially denied or debunked if it was a military prototype, which would help investigators focus on those cases that occurred outside of that time period.

Are you saying the personel at Roswell were just airman. The individual in charge of the recovery of debris was an officer named Major Jesse Marcel. Marcel did a television interview in 1984 and said the debris was 'not anything from this earth'. You can see the interview here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wLaXhwImLXg

"Are you saying the personel at Roswell were just airman." I was in the Air Force from 1955 to 1959. I could never say that personnel at a base were just airmen. I was referring to the officers that went to the debris site. Neither Jesse Marcel Senior nor Junior are operating with full mental capacity. Senior, in his later years as in that interview does not seem to be "here." What I see in that interview is what I see in the interviews with Corso: old men who seem to have affected by their newly-found celebrity status and in Senior's case he seems to be playing it for what it's worth. In Corso's case he is no longer a useful human.

I've been aware of the Roswell "phenomenon" since it first came to public attention around late 1976-1977. Never bought the alien crash b.s.

If they know something and when I say “they” I am referring to all governments in the world, not only the U.S, well if they know something, I wish that they just tell us the whole thing, because if the aliens already came here, sooner or latter they will show up again and probably many people will witness the event.
What bothers me more is that the aliens seem to choose some individuals to present themselves. At least the more “spectacular” reported sightings seem like.
Excluding some UFO cases like: Battle of L.A, Varginha Incident, Roosevelt and some others, the rest are just speculation in my opinion.

Well, if they know something, then let us know!!!