Hmm........was this an act of tough love ??? Someone care to explain gods kindness in this ?

38:7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him."
How many has God killed?
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38:8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. (38:8-10)
"He spilled it on the ground."
After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto thy brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control.
What the Bible says about birth control, semen and masturbation
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Onan and Tamar (And Adam Knew Eve)
38:9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
38:10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Drive-by posting.

What is YOUR opinion on this Momentry' ?

Meow Purr.

Hmmm... The Bordeaux is loosening my tongue, so I will withhold my opinion....

My opinion ? I'm asking someone to explain>didn't ya read the post ?

Meow grrrowl

Oh my opinion ? I find it quite DISTURBING....I need a fix ( apologetics ?)

At this point in time, there was a tradition that if a man died and had no male heirs, then his brother would impregnate the widow and the child would be considered the dead mans legal heir and offspring. there could be up to 3 attempts at this, afterward the survivng brother would inherit. if a man had more than one brother then it would start with the oldest, and if he could not produce, then it would go to the next oldest, etc up to 3 times, then the oldest brother would inherit.
Onan went in to her 3 times and all 3 times spilled his seed on the ground. in other words he used the "withdrawl" method of birth control. that is why God was displeased and slew him.

And this is a just and loving god ?

Watch where you aim it fellows

I'm pointing out these passages because i'm trying to show why Jehovah is not a very nice god as people claim.

If your father is a good bread earner and intelligent you should know this. If he is also a child molester you should also know this.

You can't just concentrate on the pleasant parts.

Any counseler/psychiatrist will tell you this.

He claims he is not just our god but our father too >does this give him the right to slay us if one misses the toilet then too and soils his heavenly floor ?

When you look at a picture look at the WHOLE thing> all the imperfections> not your favorite shades and colors

As I see it > I have to face my imperfections within myself too when i look into the mirror>but I'm not a killer when someone displeases me> and i wouldn't even if I could easily get away with it

Maybe I'm trying to show why we are so negative towards the scriptures

All should be exposed

Yahweh had every right to "slay" Er because he was a first born, and should have been offered to Yahweh in the first place as He commands in the bible. I have quoted this order below and it is quite clear. And as for Onan, Yahweh was justified because Onan was non productive in his failure to "breed". Yahweh raised his human flock to produce more humans and animals that he consumed on a daily basis, along with salt.

Though not commonly publicised, besides the traditional lambs and calves, Yahweh is given captive enemy virgins as we see in Numbers, and in Genesis He demands the first born son of every Hebrew family, as well as first born animals, and liqour. Dragons the world over always ask for liquour. One time Yahweh consort Ishtar, also originally called a "great and terrible dragon" in her Hymns, is described craving beer.

Some people claim that the first born sons that are to be offered to Yahweh only mean to be priests or servants, but there is nothing else in the scripture to support this notion. On the contrary, they are mentioned in the same sentence as other "consumables" such as fruit and liquor.

Genesis 22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

Also the next verse confirms these things are to be offered as Yahweh's food.

22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it to me.

You see, the real Yahweh, is the cannanite storm dragon Yaw, this is where the name Yahweh comes from. This is why the Bible says Yahweh demands human and animal prey, hoards gold, has wings, spews fire from his mouth, ordered the israelites to make and worship his dragon idol or be killed and kills lots and lots of people. Half the ancient world recognized this "god" was a dragon, though this has largely been forgotten, and now he's this "old guy with a long white beard on a golden throne in heaven". The real Yahweh has probably returned to the ocean from whence he came after people invented gunpowder. There is a direct correlation between the marked decrease in dragon sightings with the invention of firearms. The Bible states Yahweh is only a creature that "works" for the creator God, whose real name is El, known by both the canannites and hebrews, just like the dragon Yahweh.

Mmmm...how appetizing. A soup of made of filet of salted virgine de humane , lamb,veal and a dash of salt and shot Guiness Stout to bring out the flavors.


I will buying diner for Monsieur Yaweh. "Waiter tonight bring us a dish of Biere de vierges de diner de dragon !"
(my french is crap-don't laugh)

And today it is known as Vatican roulette.

I think we got the general idea of why you posted this.

You didn't post which chapter this is in, lets say its been a while since i have read this part and i don't remember where exactly to find it.

Also for the love of God, Yahweh was not a dragon. I must admit the thought is amusing but when its actually put forth as a serious opinion its just absurd.

Genesis 38:7 >

That's true, I agree with your opinion that killing a man for aiming his weapon at the wrong target is pretty absurd

Thanks. i see where it is now. You have a habit it would seem for taking things out of context as evidenced by your reply below which as you well know was in reference to a completely different topic.



It is completely true that God, whatever name you wish to give him, does some seemingly cruel things. However it is easy to lay blame at the feet of the one cleaning up a mess. Does one blame the executioner when he flips the switch and kills a murderer? Certainly not. In this case the two people God killed or had killed were wicked. Now i don't know how you deal with wicked people, and in the first case the wickedness was never described, but generally speaking when you find a cancer you cut it out. These two people were no less than that; A cancerous growth. As for the second, the man was not put to death for "Aiming his weapon at the wrong target." He was put to death for the sin of Greed. He wanted his brothers possessions and giving his wife a child would have interfered with that. Whether or not you agree with the punishment or not is immaterial. The point is that it was not completely unjustified as you implied with your original post.

Ohh yea those wicked wicked lil first born innocent babies and job had a wicked wicked family and friends..cuz God killed them all to prove a point to Satan..even though he was an all knowing god...he still had to prove a point and in doing so..it involved a lot of wicked carnage......yup thats what the bible says...


And I dont believe a single word of it..thank goodness

Mocking does not become you.



each to his own.

Ohh no it wasnt mocking...the bible DOES state how so so many 1st borns were killed and it does state in the story of job..how God killed to prove a stupid point to satan....ohhh I kid you not...I wasnt mocking....you claimed he only killed the wicked...so I ask you..when he did that to the innocent children that have a right to grow...and when he did it to all of jobs family and friends...when he is said to be ALL KNOWING...well why would an ALL KNOWING God NEED to prove a point to a thing like satan?? the very same bad spirit that God never trusted...yet was tricked into killing to prove a point??? I call that wicked

very much messed up..and dosnt show all loving nor does it show God being all knowing..in fact whoever wrote that about God took away Gods credit..and made god out to be a vengeful, idiot that needed to test his creations to prove a point ect...<---thats not perfect...and yet the authors of the bible claim God to be perfect...NOOOO a perfect being needs not to test..for the perfect being all ready KNOWS what you are thinking and what you believe in

The authors of that bible got god all wrong and couldn't bloody see this when they wrote it...only because at the time when writing it...they just wanted to send a message of FEAR...so much that they forgot how they were portraying God...and I am supposed to believe in this nonsense ??? no thanks..I prefer to follow God in my own way

its safer!!!

I said in that instance referred to by the OP he killed two people who were wicked. If you wish to make another thread about the story of Job then do so.

i personally don't care what you believe or who you believe in. Follow God however you wish, but if you honestly believe that what you wrote above and what you wrote right here does not come across as mocking, then you are seriously deluded. In fact i don't think i could find a post where you are being nice if i tried. All of the posts i have seen you post are antagonistic and quite frankly abusive towards someone.

I have no problem with you but damn.

JOB was in the OT you silly goose LOL in fact job is just ONE story that shows God a mindless killer...the new borns were like a biblical trend..heck God did it..a king did it when Moses was a baby...and in thee NT another king did it...hence a biblical trend lol............you pointed out just 2 wickedness parts..I continued on with more to add to it <--and you dont like that

Ohh BTW I HAVE a thread on the story of JOB lol I never let that one slide!!!


This is exactly the kind of biased behavior I would expect from you....you are right you DONT care what i believe and you DONT care how I follow God...NO...only because you only care about those that think like you...in fact if you read ANY form of a skeptical view / belief on religion..you are going to BLAST IT and make it out as though they are mocking and at the same time make light of the persons beliefs and think its OK for you to criticize my belief on how I see it....but not ok for me to state what I think is wrong with how authors portrayed God??? WOW AMAZING....

I didnt mock...you see it as mocking because it doesnt fit your view...thats called SELFISHNESS and GREED....looking it all your way and to HELL with other views and beliefs that my friend is seen as a deadly sin....so thank you sir for helping me make that point

If you only ever want to see the ONE kind of view and only views that make you happy...I suggest you make your own religious forum...that way you can filter out any view that dont suit you.....because you have just showed me today that you cant handle other views....its too much for you .... making up claims of mocking is a weak defense...very weak

This just shows how ignorant you are of the Bible, and ancient near eastern history in general.

The religion of the Persian Empire, a huge poriton of the worlds population back then, stated Yahweh was a dragon.

The gnostic Christians, at one time roughly HALF of all Christians, stated Yahweh was a dragon.

The Cannanite religion stated the Creator God El's favorite son was a Dragon named Yaw.

The early Hebrew reigions state the Creator God El's favorite son was a Dragon name Yahweh.

Both of these dragons had the same dragon girlfriend - Ishtar/Asheroth.

The ONLY idol Yahweh ever told Moses to make and forced the Hebrews to worship or die, was an image of a fiery flying sepent (dragon).

ALL of the ancient evidence says Yahweh is a dragon, that is just the tip of the iceberg. The rest is in my book.

You cannot refute anything I have said. All you have is your "non-biblical, feel good, Christian mythology" that tells you Yahweh is this old guy with a big white beard on a golden throne in the clouds. Somehow the dragon image makes a lot more sense when the Bible says he eats all of the first born children and cattle of the Israelits, not to mention the 32 Midianite virgins. I'm sorry they didn't tell you this stuff in Sunday School, but it is certainly not surprising.

Oh, but even when the ancient Christans depicted Yahweh as a human old guy on a golden throne, he was still surrounded by the seraphim DRAGON attendants, usually in the act of swallowing sinners that didn't pass judgement. Most of the old art like this is gone now, but there is still some around as you will see in my book.

A lot of people don't realize it, but the reason the Bible says Yahweh promised never to flood the world again was because Noah immediately made a sacrifice to him, and it smelled so good that he realized how dumb it would be if there were no humans around to roast and salt his sheep and cattle dinners, not to mention first born children "snacks".

But as far as dragons go, Yahweh seems to be one of the nicer ones. After all, how many other legends about dragons have you read, where the dragon lets you "buy" his human sacrifices back for the right price? That's in the Bible too!

im sorry i just cant read all of this without giggling.

Im all for pushing a theory you championed but lets keep the argument in your own thread bud.

My post as to why Onan was killed is directly related to the facts as to the true nature of Yahweh. You invited more details here by dismissing it, so it was my right to challenge your claim that what you believed was "absurd". I gave a perfectly logical reason why Yahweh killed Onan. Like the Bible says, Yahweh is to be given the first born from every womb, man and beast alike. Onan cheated him of his entitlement, and like Yahwweh warns his human flock, "I am a jealous God".

Translated - hey bud I am laughing at your belief I find your beliefs funny and silly hence my giggling and take your beliefs elsewhere BUD!!!

I only care to read posts that suit ME!!! and well dare ANYONE laugh or mock my beliefs in any shape cuz I will throw a wobbler

Here we go again...

Apparently God has lost interest in us then, because he's let Pol Pot, Hitler, Jeffry Dahmer, and Dich Cheney run around doing their evil.


It's apparent that the sin of Onan was not the withdrawal method, it was intentionally refusing to impregnate his dead brother's wife so that he can get his property.

Also, consider that this is all just a story to keep Jews in line anyway. The misinterpretation of this has caused how many teenage boys to grow up with a messed up shame about sex and masturbation...has caused how many unwanted children? Ah, religion....is there any evil it CAN'T do?

Why would god want such a jerk/wicked man to father children in the first place ? Obviously he didn't love her> so he's supposed to use her like a piece of meat for pro-creation ? He could just have made her conceive all squeaky clean like Mary mum of Jesus ?
Why didn't god do it for Onan and spare everyone the mess of it all. Nice clean sheets and all. Would have saved Onans wife a day of laundry.
God is on a power trip ? Sorry but one does get this impression.

If all wicked/greedy men (according to J) were murdered there would be hardly a man left> in fact we women would have no one to come in unto us anymore
I don't like human beings referred to as a cancerous growths you cut out >unless they are killers with no conscience

consider that God probably had nothing at all to do with this. More likely, Jewish clerical leaders wanted to assert their customs against a group starting to think differently with a nice story about divine vengence for disobeying their laws.

I think God is just taking a bum rap for this and he probably had nothing to do with it at all.

You could be absolutely right but some people think differently. They think it's ALL TRUE and praise the genius of it all.

I want people to defend Jehovah without saying "because he is god and he can do whatever he wants">and yes he can but that DOES NOT make it right !

God gave us a brain and a conscience, right ?

Many people abuse their children and claim to own them and justify it with that too.

Yea I agree doesnt it just get to ya when people ONLY see it ONE way??? glad you agree there eggy lol


love it love it...

I believe God allows you to chose what you want to do...whether it be seen as evil or good...its all down to you...he does this for a reason...so that when you die...the ones that followed a good loving life will join him...the ones that chose evil..will remain dead <---thats my belief lol...

And you actually beleive that "god" is a large winged reptile? I suppose that upon the invention of gunpowder, he fled to the west and appeared to the Aztecs and Incas?

I don't care if Yaweh is a dragon, Ronald Mc Donald or Barney the purple dinosaur he's not good for peoples health,physically or mentally.

Besides why did he have to kill all the rest of the animals in the flood too ? Were they "evil" or not salty enough or both ?

Evil low sodium wild-life. I kill them too.

No, in none of my posts have I EVER said the Creator God was a winged reptile. I said world wide myths and legends all seem to agree that the Creator God had ancient assistants that were probably some kind of pterosaur or flying dinosaur to oversee the different human cultures. And although these peoples acknowledged this Chief God, thy also acknowledged their local "dragon" Gods. The Bbile as well as Cannanite scriptures acknowledge both the Creator El, and the "Sons of God" which seem to be the creatures we now call dragons. The Cannanites called one of these dragons Yaw, and the Hebrews seem to have called the same dragon Yahweh. In Sumerian religion the same dragon created the gardedn of Eden, deprived Adam of eternal life, befuddled human speech at the tower of Babel, and spared Noah in the flood. There he was called Enki and even had the same female dragon consort as Enki, Yaw and Yahweh. These cannot be a coincidence. Dragons seem to have been ordered out of the direct contact with humans over 2500 years ago, but were commonly seen and reported to around the 16th century. It may have nothing to do guns, but it seems logical. They seem to have been quite invincable prior to this, despite fairytales to the contrary.

Actually, the facts of the matter show that the flood of Noah was restricted to the the Tigris Euphrates valley, but archaeology has proven it really happened. It was only Yahweh's own tribe that was flood. He was not allowed to kill any other dragon's humans, so actually not a lot of animals were killed.

Many Chrisitans think the whole world was flooded, but this is an impossibility, and a correct reading of the scripture does not imply it was the whole world, it was the "world" Yahweh controlled. The Hebrews understood Yahweh was not the creator god, but over the centuries he was merged with the creator.

Interestingly, all of these ancient cultures believed dragons could control flooding and the weather, although the north american dragons are now called "Thunderbirds".

You are right about the flood being isolated to a certain area that is mentioned in the bible. I saw that on a documentary NG.(satans disinformation tool

i don't know about the rest>> I'm having a difficult enough time just trying to sort out the Jehovah stories