QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Nov 15 2007, 03:29 AM)

Ah, but you have no experience with God or so you say. So how can you know if the God of the Bible really is the vicious killer you believe him to be? Which is weird, since you have stated you don't believe. See what I mean? You have to experience it, but you haven't, so you have nothing tangible to hold onto. You clearly like the obvious. There's nothing wrong with that.
Ya, I can hear birds singing, waves crashing, a babbling brook...
I can also hear on the news that birds are spreading bird flu, waves are crashing into Sri Lanka, southern Thailand, Sumatra and New Orleans killing hundreds of thousands, a babbling brook is perfectly capable of flooding my basement and destroying my home. If you have no God(s) to look to, it makes nature look like a pretty cruel mistress. Nature, by nature is both beautiful and violent. I would think that someone who reveres nature that much, would actually be MORE inclined to understand the concept of a cruel and loving God. (make no mistake, I have no belief in a cruel God at all, my experience is with a purely benevolent God, regardless of how the Bible reads literally)
I just don't get it... it seems somehow contradictory in some ways. Even if you have no experience with God, and do have experience with nature, you should be able to understand the concept of something that is revered because it is both beautiful and randomly violent.
If you mean Deism then yes. But christians aren't Deists are they ?
I used to be a christian I used to think god was talking to me. I too thought I had a personal relationship with god. Or at least I tried like heck.
I'm talking about the biblical god as he is described ,ok ? You don't see me debating Deists, do you ?
I say maybe to god. I say bullsh*t to the bible and the Quaran. To me the whole thing is pretty idiotic and that's being nice. I think all the abrahamic religions are absurd and that is my right.
. If people think the bible is a work of genius or inspired work of god I can't change that.
You can't compare the natural world to some book (swimming in a sea of absurdities & perversions-as one guy put it
Nature EXISTS it can be studied and observed in action
Nature doesn't have a conscience I would assume Jehovah to have one however.
You can "windowdress" your Jehovah in whatever the latest fashionable garments you wish. that's what so great about it for you believers > you can work it like "playdough">and that is what makes it such a joke to me.
If Jehovah exists all I can do is hope that his scizophrenic character is grossly distorted.
I could not accept this behavior in a human being and I sure as hell can't worship something like that. Amen