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momentarylapseofreason
Check this out http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/ >click view presentation wub.gif
truethat


You know, call me a cynic but these kinds of things have always grated on my nerves for some reason. When people try to act as if they KNOW what GOD thinks. Like when people say that "God was trying to show you something"

I'm like how the heck do you know?
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (truethat @ Nov 10 2007, 09:34 PM) *
You know, call me a cynic but these kinds of things have always grated on my nerves for some reason. When people try to act as if they KNOW what GOD thinks. Like when people say that "God was trying to show you something"

I'm like how the heck do you know?


Well god is not the same to everyone in their perception/reality

All those statements are "wise" and "true" and if god was/is wise I feel these would be some of his answers

Are you in a cynical mood again ?

Why did you change your avatar to that again ? Disturbing huh.gif
truethat

What has my avatar to do with the thread?


Odd.


No I'm saying this things come across as a glurg to me, curious why its posted in spirituality and skepticism when you would refer to a Christian doing this as "godvertising" right?

But I still don't understand why people think they know what GOD THINKS. A friend sent me that video a while ago and it bugged me about it.

momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (truethat @ Nov 10 2007, 09:46 PM) *
What has my avatar to do with the thread?


Odd.


No I'm saying this things come across as a glurg to me, curious why its posted in spirituality and skepticism when you would refer to a Christian doing this as "godvertising" right?

But I still don't understand why people think they know what GOD THINKS. A friend sent me that video a while ago and it bugged me about it.


Well you know that the bible is all about what people think that god thinks.

this "thing"> IWG I posted makes alot more sense to me and is less disturbing than talking donkeys (I love that in Shrek),stoning virgins,smiting okeydonkey ?
momentarylapseofreason
Is this the spirituality vs. skepticism section ?

And just because I'm critical of the bible doesn't mean I'm not spiritual ya know
truethat


Yes but this video doesn't quote God, it makes all sorts of statements lifted out of a Steven Spielberg movie or something, nothing God actually said. That's what bugged me about it.
kanji
QUOTE
Is this the spirituality vs. skepticism section ?


Actually this is the religion section,


but ya i always imagined God having more of a sense of humor than that. Nice video though, and all true statements.
Darkwind
I think it was very nice, thanks for posting it.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (truethat @ Nov 10 2007, 09:59 PM) *
Yes but this video doesn't quote God, it makes all sorts of statements lifted out of a Steven Spielberg movie or something, nothing God actually said. That's what bugged me about it.


Ok but this is what I'd like god to say -ok ?

And these statements are simple TRUTHS

Who does "quote" god anyways ?

It didn't bug me at all

I'm sorry it displeased you
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 10 2007, 03:51 PM) *
Well you know that the bible is all about what people think that god thinks.

this "thing"> IWG I posted makes alot more sense to me and is less disturbing than talking donkeys (I love that in Shrek),stoning virgins,smiting okeydonkey ?


you find the talking donkey in Shriek distrubing ? I love the talking donkey ! it's fantasy !!!

and yet in the bible there is a story of a talking donkey !Numbers, chapters 22-25 hhmmm


this site was nice and all. reminds one of the book Interview with God - even though he interjected much of his christian belief and not what a real perfect God would have said. Over all it was good.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Nov 10 2007, 10:13 PM) *
you find the talking donkey in Shriek distrubing ? I love the talking donkey ! it's fantasy !!!

and yet in the bible there is a story of a talking donkey !Numbers, chapters 22-25 hhmmm


this site was nice and all. reminds one of the book Interview with God - even though he interjected much of his christian belief and not what a real perfect God would have said. Over all it was good.


i never said I found Donkey disturbing in Shrek (one of my all time favorite movies !!!) laugh.gif


You might have seen a housefly, maybe even a superfly, but I bet you ain't never seen a donkey fly. Ha, ha.
truethat

Don't get me wrong, I think its sweet. I'm not disliking it but it just reminds me of the scene from Starman when Jeff Bridges character says


Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (truethat @ Nov 10 2007, 10:29 PM) *
Don't get me wrong, I think its sweet. I'm not disliking it but it just reminds me of the scene from Starman when Jeff Bridges character says


Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.



Yeah I agree it's kinda "cheesy" like > And then mummy kissed daddy, and the angel told the stork, and the stork flew down from heaven, and put a diamond in the cabbage patch, and the diamond turned into a baby< kind of sugary, but I still think there still is alot of truth to it
truethat

what you are describing is a glurge


http://www.snopes.com/glurge/glurge.asp#abbey
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (truethat @ Nov 10 2007, 10:44 PM) *



This glurge is a glurge ? Well then I have learned something new tonight.

Nephilim_Slayer
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 10 2007, 08:51 PM) *
Well you know that the bible is all about what people think that god thinks.

this "thing"> IWG I posted makes alot more sense to me and is less disturbing than talking donkeys (I love that in Shrek),stoning virgins,smiting okeydonkey ?



The bible is not about what people "think" God is. If God came down and said "Hey everyone, its God here, I'm just going to write this book real fast," then everyone would instantly believe in God and there would be no reason to have faith. God does not work that way, and the men and woman that wrote the books of the bible knew God very well and received insight from Him.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 10 2007, 09:20 PM) *
Check this out http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/ >click view presentation wub.gif

All I could do was read the words..Ididnt hear it because my speakers are fubarred lol

I think it was made up by a female ...were it said - Humankind ..instead of MANKind

I liked how it stated..how two people can look at one thing but hold different views

Thats very true...like the bible...I see it one way..a christian will see it another way....this is a fact of life....pity others didnt see that


PS -- yea it was cheeeezy lol ph34r.gif
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 10 2007, 04:16 PM) *
i never said I found Donkey disturbing in Shrek (one of my all time favorite movies !!!) laugh.gif


You might have seen a housefly, maybe even a superfly, but I bet you ain't never seen a donkey fly. Ha, ha.


lol I don't know but that kills me !!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao. ahhhh I needed that !
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (Nephilim_Slayer @ Nov 10 2007, 08:18 PM) *
The bible is not about what people "think" God is. If God came down and said "Hey everyone, its God here, I'm just going to write this book real fast," then everyone would instantly believe in God and there would be no reason to have faith. God does not work that way, and the men and woman that wrote the books of the bible knew God very well and received insight from Him.


God works in everyone equally. they didn't know God any better than any of us do. they too interjected their personal social beliefs in the bible that weren't from God , but beliefs just the same = like stoning adulterers. If that is insight from God why don't we do that now ?

I could write a bible and it be just as God inspired. It would say all men and women from every walk of life and belief are equal in Gods eyes since life is about the experience - all goes according to the plan.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Nov 11 2007, 05:41 AM) *
God works in everyone equally. they didn't know God any better than any of us do. they too interjected their personal social beliefs in the bible that weren't from God , but beliefs just the same = like stoning adulterers. If that is insight from God why don't we do that now ?

I could write a bible and it be just as God inspired. It would say all men and women from every walk of life and belief are equal in Gods eyes since life is about the experience - all goes according to the plan.

If a woman had of written that bible...then there would have been NO witch trails LOL NO feminist movents..no discriminating against women..ALL would be seen as equal

and the 10 commandants would be 20 commandments cuz women have more to dish out LOL

The bible would be filled with compassion..and the God of the OT would not have been a killer either..and 1sts borns would NEVER have been victims

but sadly that bible was NOT female written..it was MAN written and he lied when he said it was the word of God...NO it was his own words...he USED God as a shield to make rules to suit the male population and his claim to make this GOD out to be a MALE and how women should be ruled by the male hubby ect <---only a sexist git would write this



momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Nov 11 2007, 05:41 AM) *
God works in everyone equally. they didn't know God any better than any of us do. they too interjected their personal social beliefs in the bible that weren't from God , but beliefs just the same = like stoning adulterers. If that is insight from God why don't we do that now ?

I could write a bible and it be just as God inspired. It would say all men and women from every walk of life and belief are equal in Gods eyes since life is about the experience - all goes according to the plan.



Yeah why isn't god slayin all the men that pull an Onan everyday...........oops i missed !! ohmy.gif ........ angry.gif ......... devil.gif
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Nov 11 2007, 06:51 AM) *
If a woman had of written that bible...then there would have been NO witch trails LOL NO feminist movents..no discriminating against women..ALL would be seen as equal

and the 10 commandants would be 20 commandments cuz women have more to dish out LOL

The bible would be filled with compassion..and the God of the OT would not have been a killer either..and 1sts borns would NEVER have been victims

but sadly that bible was NOT female written..it was MAN written and he lied when he said it was the word of God...NO it was his own words...he USED God as a shield to make rules to suit the male population and his claim to make this GOD out to be a MALE and how women should be ruled by the male hubby ect <---only a sexist git would write this



There has to be women in Heaven to carry and fetch for the men.
It's a womans duty in this life and the next yes.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 11 2007, 01:16 PM) *
There has to be women in Heaven to carry and fetch for the men.
It's a womans duty in this life and the next yes.gif

huh only according to MAN...not exactly reality is it?
Lotus Flower
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 10 2007, 08:20 PM) *
Check this out http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/ >click view presentation wub.gif

Thanks for posting that link Momentary! Truly beautiful wub.gif

Becky's Mum, the music was lovely it was a shame your speakers weren't working sad.gif

I loved the scenery and the contents of the text was terrific thumbup.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (Lotus Flower @ Nov 11 2007, 08:16 PM) *
Thanks for posting that link Momentary! Truly beautiful wub.gif

Becky's Mum, the music was lovely it was a shame your speakers weren't working sad.gif

I loved the scenery and the contents of the text was terrific thumbup.gif

Nah sod my speakers lol...I got the message regardless lol...good job it gave text!!!!
randomhit10
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Nov 11 2007, 06:33 PM) *
huh only according to MAN...not exactly reality is it?


i have to remind you that in the immortal words of tim allen in his ground breaking expose of the thought process of the male mind, the psychology that he has broken through to bring us insight never before seen in his "men are pigs" thriller.....his summation is: "too bad we own everything".....aarrhhh aarrhhh aarrhhh....

randomhit10
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (randomhit10 @ Nov 13 2007, 04:21 PM) *
i have to remind you that in the immortal words of tim allen in his ground breaking expose of the thought process of the male mind, the psychology that he has broken through to bring us insight never before seen in his "men are pigs" thriller.....his summation is: "too bad we own everything".....aarrhhh aarrhhh aarrhhh....

randomhit10



We are working on changing that.....aarrhhh.......aarrhhh laugh.gif wink2.gif
MissMelsWell
I think I know why some folks didn't care for this video ...

There were some nice lines in it. It had some "awww" moments... but it's thin, and kind of a given. There are no real answers in it. Although, it does serve to remind of the basics, which admittedly we tend to forget sometimes.

It's nice like a little poem or a fuzzy bunny, but it's not really profoundly spiritual.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Nov 14 2007, 02:57 AM) *
I think I know why some folks didn't care for this video ...

There were some nice lines in it. It had some "awww" moments... but it's thin, and kind of a given. There are no real answers in it. Although, it does serve to remind of the basics, which admittedly we tend to forget sometimes.

It's nice like a little poem or a fuzzy bunny, but it's not really profoundly spiritual.



I think this video is all about reflection not spirituality. But you can't deny it's full of truths (us mature folks wink2.gif have come to realise).

I have my own brand of spirituality just like others .

When I'm in the midst of nature, in a forest, by the sea, on a mountain peak - then I feel a sense of the sacred, like the feeling of being in a vast cathedral but better !
I believe that we humans should be a part of Nature, rather than set above it.
MissMelsWell
See, I never really got that ... And forgive me here, perhaps I've misunderstood...

People prattle on about nature this, nature that, beautiful vast, perfect... but I've always seen nature as both beautiful and as a vicious non-discriminating killer.

Huh, kinda like the God of the Bible.

ohmy.gif
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Nov 14 2007, 09:35 PM) *
See, I never really got that ... And forgive me here, perhaps I've misunderstood...

People prattle on about nature this, nature that, beautiful vast, perfect... but I've always seen nature as both beautiful and as a vicious non-discriminating killer.

Huh, kinda like the God of the Bible.

ohmy.gif



As long as I'm not being eaten by wolves.

Yeah but nature exists and it makes sense in this world.

I can see ,smell it, feel it. It's for real. I can have a REAL reason to fear it. Things happen it nature for a reason>survival

Nature is not trying to control you and it doesnt hate>it doesn't ask for your worship it just needs respect

The savage garden. It's beautiful to look at but the beauty is deceptive

the stars are beautiful too by the way

The sound of birds singing , waves crashing,crickets chirping, a babbling brook..sounds better than church. Smells/looks better too .


yeah the god of the bible is a viscious killer but i don't see him anywhere and I don't wanna go looking for him either
dlv
QUOTE (truethat @ Nov 10 2007, 08:34 PM) *
...these kinds of things have always grated on my nerves for some reason. When people try to act as if they KNOW what GOD thinks. Like when people say that "God was trying to show you something"

I'm like how the heck do you know?

Right on! And as we (most of us at least) know, it's very dangerous to outguess God, to be presumptuous in general.
randomhit10
QUOTE (dlv @ Nov 14 2007, 09:30 PM) *
Right on! And as we (most of us at least) know, it's very dangerous to outguess God, to be presumptuous in general.


how about the ones who come up to you and say "the Lord spoke to me and said you need to blah..blah..blah...." and tells you what you need to do in your life...i do not believe that He would do that...

randomhit10
dlv
QUOTE (randomhit10 @ Nov 14 2007, 09:46 PM) *
how about the ones who come up to you and say "the Lord spoke to me and said you need to blah..blah..blah...." and tells you what you need to do in your life...i do not believe that He would do that...

randomhit10

We should never forget that we have the choice to walk away. We always have a choice.
libra II
QUOTE (dlv @ Nov 15 2007, 03:11 AM) *
We should never forget that we have the choice to walk away. We always have a choice.



Right! So lets just walk away
M.A.D
thank you i needed that and may god bless you.
MissMelsWell
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 14 2007, 12:53 PM) *
As long as I'm not being eaten by wolves.

Yeah but nature exists and it makes sense in this world.

I can see ,smell it, feel it. It's for real. I can have a REAL reason to fear it. Things happen it nature for a reason>survival

Nature is not trying to control you and it doesnt hate>it doesn't ask for your worship it just needs respect

The savage garden. It's beautiful to look at but the beauty is deceptive

the stars are beautiful too by the way

The sound of birds singing , waves crashing,crickets chirping, a babbling brook..sounds better than church. Smells/looks better too .


yeah the god of the bible is a viscious killer but i don't see him anywhere and I don't wanna go looking for him either


Ah, but you have no experience with God or so you say. So how can you know if the God of the Bible really is the vicious killer you believe him to be? Which is weird, since you have stated you don't believe. See what I mean? You have to experience it, but you haven't, so you have nothing tangible to hold onto. You clearly like the obvious. There's nothing wrong with that.

Ya, I can hear birds singing, waves crashing, a babbling brook...

I can also hear on the news that birds are spreading bird flu, waves are crashing into Sri Lanka, southern Thailand, Sumatra and New Orleans killing hundreds of thousands, a babbling brook is perfectly capable of flooding my basement and destroying my home. If you have no God(s) to look to, it makes nature look like a pretty cruel mistress. Nature, by nature is both beautiful and violent. I would think that someone who reveres nature that much, would actually be MORE inclined to understand the concept of a cruel and loving God. (make no mistake, I have no belief in a cruel God at all, my experience is with a purely benevolent God, regardless of how the Bible reads literally)

I just don't get it... it seems somehow contradictory in some ways. Even if you have no experience with God, and do have experience with nature, you should be able to understand the concept of something that is revered because it is both beautiful and randomly violent.

brave_new_world
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 15 2007, 04:53 AM) *
yeah the god of the bible is a viscious killer but i don't see him anywhere and I don't wanna go looking for him either


What if you consider God to be everything???? What if you dont consider God to be a 'he' or 'she' or either? What if you consider God to be all nature manifestation and beyond? In other words, instead of thinking of God as this or that you think of it as an isness which is indescribable?
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Nov 15 2007, 03:29 AM) *
Ah, but you have no experience with God or so you say. So how can you know if the God of the Bible really is the vicious killer you believe him to be? Which is weird, since you have stated you don't believe. See what I mean? You have to experience it, but you haven't, so you have nothing tangible to hold onto. You clearly like the obvious. There's nothing wrong with that.

Ya, I can hear birds singing, waves crashing, a babbling brook...

I can also hear on the news that birds are spreading bird flu, waves are crashing into Sri Lanka, southern Thailand, Sumatra and New Orleans killing hundreds of thousands, a babbling brook is perfectly capable of flooding my basement and destroying my home. If you have no God(s) to look to, it makes nature look like a pretty cruel mistress. Nature, by nature is both beautiful and violent. I would think that someone who reveres nature that much, would actually be MORE inclined to understand the concept of a cruel and loving God. (make no mistake, I have no belief in a cruel God at all, my experience is with a purely benevolent God, regardless of how the Bible reads literally)

I just don't get it... it seems somehow contradictory in some ways. Even if you have no experience with God, and do have experience with nature, you should be able to understand the concept of something that is revered because it is both beautiful and randomly violent.


If you mean Deism then yes. But christians aren't Deists are they ?

I used to be a christian I used to think god was talking to me. I too thought I had a personal relationship with god. Or at least I tried like heck.

I'm talking about the biblical god as he is described ,ok ? You don't see me debating Deists, do you ?

I say maybe to god. I say bullsh*t to the bible and the Quaran. To me the whole thing is pretty idiotic and that's being nice. I think all the abrahamic religions are absurd and that is my right.

. If people think the bible is a work of genius or inspired work of god I can't change that.

You can't compare the natural world to some book (swimming in a sea of absurdities & perversions-as one guy put it

Nature EXISTS it can be studied and observed in action

Nature doesn't have a conscience I would assume Jehovah to have one however.

You can "windowdress" your Jehovah in whatever the latest fashionable garments you wish. that's what so great about it for you believers > you can work it like "playdough">and that is what makes it such a joke to me.

If Jehovah exists all I can do is hope that his scizophrenic character is grossly distorted.

I could not accept this behavior in a human being and I sure as hell can't worship something like that. Amen
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (brave_new_world @ Nov 15 2007, 02:46 PM) *
What if you consider God to be everything???? What if you dont consider God to be a 'he' or 'she' or either? What if you consider God to be all nature manifestation and beyond? In other words, instead of thinking of God as this or that you think of it as an isness which is indescribable?


This is similar to a Deists view or pantheism ?


This is easy if the bible doesn't come into play. The bible describes god quite in detail. "He" is quite a character

But I think I understand what you are saying
randomhit10
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Nov 15 2007, 03:44 PM) *
If you mean Deism then yes. But christians aren't Deists are they ?

I used to be a christian I used to think god was talking to me. I too thought I had a personal relationship with god. Or at leat I tried like heck.

I'm talking about the biblical god as he is described ,ok ? You don't see me debating Deists, do you ?

I say maybe to god. I say bullsh*t to the bible and the Quaran. To me the whole thing is pretty idiotic and that's being nice. I think all the abrahamic religions are absurd and that is my right.

. If people think the bible is a work of genius or inspired work of god I can't change that.

You can't compare the natural world to some book (swimming in a sea of absurdities & perversions-as one guy put it

Nature EXISTS it can be studied and observed in action

Nature doesn't have a conscience I would assume Jehovah to have one however.

You can "windowdress" your Jehovah in whatever the latest fashionable garments you wish. that's what so great about it for you believers > you can work it like "playdough">and that is what makes it such a joke to me.

If Jehovah exists all I can do is hope that his scizophrenic character is grossly distorted.

I could not accept this behavior in a human being and I sure as hell can't worship something like that. Amen


i understand what you are saying and i have had the same concerns myself....much of what i drew on was information from people whoo had a lack or a gross distortion of God and/or the Bible and/or Jesus...i also came to learn that they had not even bothered to read scriptures or study God in perspective to Who He really represents...when read in context to other scriptures in the Bible, many of my ideas did not hold up and the picture i had of God was not in truth...it would take a while to explain all of this and i am sure you have heard a bunch of stuff about all this so i will not bore you with the 101 rendition of why i like God...all i can say is that i have seen a different side...and it has changed my mind...i believe that His scizophrenic character is grossly distorted and taken way, way out of character to satisify another agenda that is working in this world...

randomhit10
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (libra II @ Nov 15 2007, 02:16 AM) *
Right! So lets just walk away


Better yet, let's run........... laugh.gif
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (randomhit10 @ Nov 15 2007, 04:55 PM) *
i understand what you are saying and i have had the same concerns myself....much of what i drew on was information from people whoo had a lack or a gross distortion of God and/or the Bible and/or Jesus...i also came to learn that they had not even bothered to read scriptures or study God in perspective to Who He really represents...when read in context to other scriptures in the Bible, many of my ideas did not hold up and the picture i had of God was not in truth...it would take a while to explain all of this and i am sure you have heard a bunch of stuff about all this so i will not bore you with the 101 rendition of why i like God...all i can say is that i have seen a different side...and it has changed my mind...i believe that His scizophrenic character is grossly distorted and taken way, way out of character to satisify another agenda that is working in this world...

randomhit10


Hi Random !! wub.gif
You may be absolutely right. At least you have the sense to see that this may be the case.

I'll pm you later I have to go to work soon and feel like argueing until then tongue.gif
dlv
QUOTE (libra II @ Nov 15 2007, 01:16 AM) *
Right! So lets just walk away

In this particular situation, the answer is yes. Why waste one's energy on people who already have their "right," the-only-one answer??? I, for one, am not a crusader, evangelist -- God forbid. I have bills to pay, things to buy, health to take care of, friends in need of my love and support, career hopes, and artist dreams. Etcetera, etcetera. I have no time for BS-ers. Basically, take their religious dramas (and drama in general) somewhere else.
dlv
OUT-THE-DOOR.
randomhit10
QUOTE (dlv @ Nov 15 2007, 08:33 PM) *
In this particular situation, the answer is yes. Why waste one's energy on people who already have their "right," the-only-one answer??? I, for one, am not a crusader, evangelist -- God forbid. I have bills to pay, things to buy, health to take care of, friends in need of my love and support, career hopes, and artist dreams. Etcetera, etcetera. I have no time for BS-ers. Basically, take their religious dramas (and drama in general) somewhere else.


then why are you wasting your time here?

randomhit10
dlv
QUOTE (randomhit10 @ Nov 15 2007, 09:07 PM) *
then why are you wasting your time here?

randomhit10

I decide what is waste for me, not you. On the other hand, you just gave an insight to your mentality. Perhaps, you should ask yourself this question...
libra II
QUOTE (dlv @ Nov 15 2007, 10:33 PM) *
In this particular situation, the answer is yes. Why waste one's energy on people who already have their "right," the-only-one answer??? I, for one, am not a crusader, evangelist -- God forbid. I have bills to pay, things to buy, health to take care of, friends in need of my love and support, career hopes, and artist dreams. Etcetera, etcetera. I have no time for BS-ers. Basically, take their religious dramas (and drama in general) somewhere else.



One day me, you and Dave Allen will get together for a drink, and then I'm sure the world will be a lot better place for everyone to live in

Take care, Dlv
randomhit10
QUOTE (dlv @ Nov 15 2007, 09:38 PM) *
I decide what is waste for me, not you. On the other hand, you just gave an insight to your mentality. Perhaps, you should ask yourself this question...


what a profound response especially after saying you were wasting your time here...i guess i did give you insight to my mentally....if you notice, i am not on all these threads because i think they are wasting my time...i am also not saying that on each one just to stay and gripe if someone notices i say one thing and do another...

randomhit10
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