QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 06:48 PM) 
I now hear by declare the case closed for now, until further evidence arises 
On what authority? This case is very much open. There will be more to come......
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On what authority? This case is very much open. There will be more to come......
QUOTE (Tom R @ Nov 11 2007, 12:23 PM)
I don't remember exactly where I read these articles at Jody! It very well may have been own here.
There have been other experiments like the Philip Experiment as well!
The Humphrey Experiment
The Skippy Experiment
There have been other experiments like the Philip Experiment as well!
The Humphrey Experiment
The Skippy Experiment
Thanks sweet one
QUOTE (Spanky_ @ Nov 11 2007, 07:06 PM)
On what authority? This case is very much open. There will be more to come......
common sense shall i say
I thought you had turned you back on common sense to promote the words of a charlatan?
Now Now children play nice 
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 02:19 PM)
common sense shall i say
QUOTE
Spanky_ Posted Today, 02:21 PM
I thought you had turned you back on common sense to promote the words of a charlatan?
I thought you had turned you back on common sense to promote the words of a charlatan?
How about adding something more constructive to the topic, instead of quarreling like children!
QUOTE (Tom R @ Nov 11 2007, 07:29 PM)
How about adding something more constructive to the topic, instead of quarreling like children!
I think I already Have Tom. Check back a few pages.
boy do people love to argue these days lol
why is it always the imperceptive ones who always have something to prove
A case for Reasonable Doubt:
Ok, I gave Ziggy the benefit of the doubt w/ Debbie W. Since I do not live in Aussie and am not aware of her, I chose to use " " when I said, "the "real thing"..."
Now it looks like from what I read - doubt is justified.
So what happened? W/the news and video article and the common excuses she gave as to the "oops", so serious questions about her has/have arose.
1. I like tests like this. Notice that the article stated the same things I did w/ the post of my own test w/a local medium w/my house.
.... Did not know/sense she was being lied to.
.... Talking to spirits that did not exist!
(This one is no small point! That cannot just be dismissed as, "well the spirits were playing along w/the lie." Why didn't the spirits warn her, since she talks w/them or listens to them? Why didn't they warn her!?)
.... The question has then been asked: "What is she then listening too?"
Was she looking for 'clues' and 'hints' from body language and such, as a lot do?
2. The "Police Card".
... How many cases has she actually helped with?
... How was the "Police Card" actually investigated and researched?
... What will they go on 'record' saying specifically about her?
..... Is it general - "She's helped" or is it specific?
... How specific was her information given to them?
scale of 1 - 10:
1 = Very vague and general. (Useless)
10 = Very specific and very helpful.
If the help was on the 1 - 5 side, then could a good PI have given the same help? Likely - Yes ....
How many times was she on the upper end of the scale? Once, Twice and could they have been just good guesses?
I am an advocate that good guessing does happen! I had it happen to me 5 times in a row. I was accused of 'cheating', of being "psychic" and such at that party. Until I explained why I went last and the system that I use. Then they went, "wow - well this time it really worked!" Yes it did, sometimes it's 50/50 and sometimes it totally bombs!
So the case for reasonable doubt is there. Big time it would seem to me.
See we excuse the "oops", why?
We do not excuse serious "oops's" with investment counselors, doctors, auto-mechanics and other people in our life circles. So why do we excuse them here? Why are we more gracious here? This is one thing I find most curious, not just here on UM - I see it every where. People "loose it" when people have their "oops" in other fields or areas of life - except here.
So should ALL 'mediums/psychics' be treated w/the same "Reasonable Doubt" - until proved other wise? Should they go through the tests like I did and in the case of what was done w/Debbie W?
Why?
Why Not?
Ok, I gave Ziggy the benefit of the doubt w/ Debbie W. Since I do not live in Aussie and am not aware of her, I chose to use " " when I said, "the "real thing"..."
Now it looks like from what I read - doubt is justified.
So what happened? W/the news and video article and the common excuses she gave as to the "oops", so serious questions about her has/have arose.
1. I like tests like this. Notice that the article stated the same things I did w/ the post of my own test w/a local medium w/my house.
.... Did not know/sense she was being lied to.
.... Talking to spirits that did not exist!
(This one is no small point! That cannot just be dismissed as, "well the spirits were playing along w/the lie." Why didn't the spirits warn her, since she talks w/them or listens to them? Why didn't they warn her!?)
.... The question has then been asked: "What is she then listening too?"
Was she looking for 'clues' and 'hints' from body language and such, as a lot do?
2. The "Police Card".
... How many cases has she actually helped with?
... How was the "Police Card" actually investigated and researched?
... What will they go on 'record' saying specifically about her?
..... Is it general - "She's helped" or is it specific?
... How specific was her information given to them?
scale of 1 - 10:
1 = Very vague and general. (Useless)
10 = Very specific and very helpful.
If the help was on the 1 - 5 side, then could a good PI have given the same help? Likely - Yes ....
How many times was she on the upper end of the scale? Once, Twice and could they have been just good guesses?
I am an advocate that good guessing does happen! I had it happen to me 5 times in a row. I was accused of 'cheating', of being "psychic" and such at that party. Until I explained why I went last and the system that I use. Then they went, "wow - well this time it really worked!" Yes it did, sometimes it's 50/50 and sometimes it totally bombs!
So the case for reasonable doubt is there. Big time it would seem to me.
See we excuse the "oops", why?
We do not excuse serious "oops's" with investment counselors, doctors, auto-mechanics and other people in our life circles. So why do we excuse them here? Why are we more gracious here? This is one thing I find most curious, not just here on UM - I see it every where. People "loose it" when people have their "oops" in other fields or areas of life - except here.
So should ALL 'mediums/psychics' be treated w/the same "Reasonable Doubt" - until proved other wise? Should they go through the tests like I did and in the case of what was done w/Debbie W?
Why?
Why Not?
QUOTE (Jjbreen @ Nov 11 2007, 07:43 PM)
A case for Reasonable Doubt:
Ok, I gave Ziggy the benefit of the doubt w/ Debbie W. Since I do not live in Aussie and am not aware of her, I chose to use " " when I said, "the "real thing"..."
Now it looks like from what I read - doubt is justified.
So what happened? W/the news and video article and the common excuses she gave as to the "oops", so serious questions about her has/have arose.
1. I like tests like this. Notice that the article stated the same things I did w/ the post of my own test w/a local medium w/my house.
.... Did not know/sense she was being lied to.
.... Talking to spirits that did not exist!
(This one is no small point! That cannot just be dismissed as, "well the spirits were playing along w/the lie." Why didn't the spirits warn her, since she talks w/them or listens to them? Why didn't they warn her!?)
.... The question has then been asked: "What is she then listening too?"
Was she looking for 'clues' and 'hints' from body language and such, as a lot do?
2. The "Police Card".
... How many cases has she actually helped with?
... How was the "Police Card" actually investigated and researched?
... What will they go on 'record' saying specifically about her?
..... Is it general - "She's helped" or is it specific?
... How specific was her information given to them?
scale of 1 - 10:
1 = Very vague and general. (Useless)
10 = Very specific and very helpful.
If the help was on the 1 - 5 side, then could a good PI have given the same help? Likely - Yes ....
How many times was she on the upper end of the scale? Once, Twice and could they have been just good guesses?
I am an advocate that good guessing does happen! I had it happen to me 5 times in a row. I was accused of 'cheating', of being "psychic" and such at that party. Until I explained why I went last and the system that I use. Then they went, "wow - well this time it really worked!" Yes it did, sometimes it's 50/50 and sometimes it totally bombs!
So the case for reasonable doubt is there. Big time it would seem to me.
See we excuse the "oops", why?
We do not excuse serious "oops's" with investment counselors, doctors, auto-mechanics and other people in our life circles. So why do we excuse them here? Why are we more gracious here? This is one thing I find most curious, not just here on UM - I see it every where. People "loose it" when people have their "oops" in other fields or areas of life - except here.
So should ALL 'mediums/psychics' be treated w/the same "Reasonable Doubt" - until proved other wise? Should they go through the tests like I did and in the case of what was done w/Debbie W?
Why?
Why Not?
Ok, I gave Ziggy the benefit of the doubt w/ Debbie W. Since I do not live in Aussie and am not aware of her, I chose to use " " when I said, "the "real thing"..."
Now it looks like from what I read - doubt is justified.
So what happened? W/the news and video article and the common excuses she gave as to the "oops", so serious questions about her has/have arose.
1. I like tests like this. Notice that the article stated the same things I did w/ the post of my own test w/a local medium w/my house.
.... Did not know/sense she was being lied to.
.... Talking to spirits that did not exist!
(This one is no small point! That cannot just be dismissed as, "well the spirits were playing along w/the lie." Why didn't the spirits warn her, since she talks w/them or listens to them? Why didn't they warn her!?)
.... The question has then been asked: "What is she then listening too?"
Was she looking for 'clues' and 'hints' from body language and such, as a lot do?
2. The "Police Card".
... How many cases has she actually helped with?
... How was the "Police Card" actually investigated and researched?
... What will they go on 'record' saying specifically about her?
..... Is it general - "She's helped" or is it specific?
... How specific was her information given to them?
scale of 1 - 10:
1 = Very vague and general. (Useless)
10 = Very specific and very helpful.
If the help was on the 1 - 5 side, then could a good PI have given the same help? Likely - Yes ....
How many times was she on the upper end of the scale? Once, Twice and could they have been just good guesses?
I am an advocate that good guessing does happen! I had it happen to me 5 times in a row. I was accused of 'cheating', of being "psychic" and such at that party. Until I explained why I went last and the system that I use. Then they went, "wow - well this time it really worked!" Yes it did, sometimes it's 50/50 and sometimes it totally bombs!
So the case for reasonable doubt is there. Big time it would seem to me.
See we excuse the "oops", why?
We do not excuse serious "oops's" with investment counselors, doctors, auto-mechanics and other people in our life circles. So why do we excuse them here? Why are we more gracious here? This is one thing I find most curious, not just here on UM - I see it every where. People "loose it" when people have their "oops" in other fields or areas of life - except here.
So should ALL 'mediums/psychics' be treated w/the same "Reasonable Doubt" - until proved other wise? Should they go through the tests like I did and in the case of what was done w/Debbie W?
Why?
Why Not?
Hi JJ, I think a medium cannot be judged by 100% accuracy. Mechanics, surgeons, weather men etc are not all accurate, they go with what they see, and learned. Whether it is Lisa Williams or Deb Webber, each one has their own style and individual methods of contacting or locating spirits. Its the same as Haunting Evidence, they are very good, but can only give the police leads. Some are more accurate than others. You also must realize that every psychic/medium at times becomes blocked, sort of like a writer, they draw a blank. There should not be any guessing as in the case of Sylvia Fraud Browne. My son has a friend name Cathy, who moved to FL, but she came here once, and my son was not here. We were just going to hang out, and she actually picked up on my deceased brother, who was killed at 27, and he had a nickname that no one knows about except my two siblings and myself, not even my sons. Then she blurted out my other brother's name which is NOT a common one, and discussed his workload and health. Then she mentioned my deceased sister, who was not a good person in life, and she said "Your sister said GET OVER IT you know why she did the things she did." How did she know I had 2 siblings that had died..Everything she was said even shocked ME..She does not do this as a profession, but just every now and then with people she seems to focus on, even strangers. So there are good ones out there, but you just dont know them all, nor do we. If I had a serious question I would call Cathy, but I havent needed her services, but I read her before she went to FL and had no idea she was going (long story). In any case, at the end of the day, there are some strong mediums among us, and I truly believe we run into them for a reason and vice versa..JN
Well first I would do some serious investigation of:
A. Did your son's aunt/uncle talk to him about your brother?
... It might be something he just didn't mention to you....
... I find it curious that she would just do 'this' alone w/out your son there.
..... Reason - Maybe son might have called her on it then?
Plus is son aware that you are into this 'stuff'? If so it might have been staged to play a trick on you. Kids have been and are known to do this more than a few times.
Now in General and NOT directed to you specifically:
As for "bad days" - yes we all have them, this is true... BUT........
Why then the 'excuses' as in Debbie W.'s case and the one I had done here?
Why didn't they just state, "I'm not getting anything here" Instead of "talking/listening to 'ghosts' that are not there!"
See this is where credibility goes down hill seriously fast! Her excuses cause a lot of serious Reasonable Doubts of what she claims. It's not just "not being on" or "Having a bad day..", it's the excuse and IS lying about Ghosts that are not there!
This is not just 'dismissed with excuses and little 'quick retorts' .. sorry you wouldn't buy that from anyone else! If a Doctor, Investment Counselor or such lied to you in such a manner you'd be over them with good reason and good cause ... So why do we excuse lies here? <-- That is the bottom line here - why do we just 'write off lies' with lines like: "Bad day" - "they are not 100% all the time" and so on... A lie is a lie, it's not a 'bad day' - it's a lie! It's not 'being not 100%", it's a lie! When and why do we water down LIES??
A. Did your son's aunt/uncle talk to him about your brother?
... It might be something he just didn't mention to you....
... I find it curious that she would just do 'this' alone w/out your son there.
..... Reason - Maybe son might have called her on it then?
Plus is son aware that you are into this 'stuff'? If so it might have been staged to play a trick on you. Kids have been and are known to do this more than a few times.
Now in General and NOT directed to you specifically:
As for "bad days" - yes we all have them, this is true... BUT........
Why then the 'excuses' as in Debbie W.'s case and the one I had done here?
Why didn't they just state, "I'm not getting anything here" Instead of "talking/listening to 'ghosts' that are not there!"
See this is where credibility goes down hill seriously fast! Her excuses cause a lot of serious Reasonable Doubts of what she claims. It's not just "not being on" or "Having a bad day..", it's the excuse and IS lying about Ghosts that are not there!
This is not just 'dismissed with excuses and little 'quick retorts' .. sorry you wouldn't buy that from anyone else! If a Doctor, Investment Counselor or such lied to you in such a manner you'd be over them with good reason and good cause ... So why do we excuse lies here? <-- That is the bottom line here - why do we just 'write off lies' with lines like: "Bad day" - "they are not 100% all the time" and so on... A lie is a lie, it's not a 'bad day' - it's a lie! It's not 'being not 100%", it's a lie! When and why do we water down LIES??
Ooooh I know I know!!! When they don't fit in with the things we really really want to believe in!!
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 07:38 PM)
boy do people love to argue these days lol
why is it always the imperceptive ones who always have something to prove
why is it always the imperceptive ones who always have something to prove
LOL Ever notice its new people who have nothing construcitive to say? Thats why Hun, clueless..JN
it's very sad isn't it
QUOTE (Jjbreen @ Nov 11 2007, 10:06 PM)
Well first I would do some serious investigation of:
A. Did your son's aunt/uncle talk to him about your brother?
... It might be something he just didn't mention to you....
... I find it curious that she would just do 'this' alone w/out your son there.
..... Reason - Maybe son might have called her on it then?
Plus is son aware that you are into this 'stuff'? If so it might have been staged to play a trick on you. Kids have been and are known to do this more than a few times.
Now in General and NOT directed to you specifically:
As for "bad days" - yes we all have them, this is true... BUT........
Why then the 'excuses' as in Debbie W.'s case and the one I had done here?
Why didn't they just state, "I'm not getting anything here" Instead of "talking/listening to 'ghosts' that are not there!"
See this is where credibility goes down hill seriously fast! Her excuses cause a lot of serious Reasonable Doubts of what she claims. It's not just "not being on" or "Having a bad day..", it's the excuse and IS lying about Ghosts that are not there!
This is not just 'dismissed with excuses and little 'quick retorts' .. sorry you wouldn't buy that from anyone else! If a Doctor, Investment Counselor or such lied to you in such a manner you'd be over them with good reason and good cause ... So why do we excuse lies here? <-- That is the bottom line here - why do we just 'write off lies' with lines like: "Bad day" - "they are not 100% all the time" and so on... A lie is a lie, it's not a 'bad day' - it's a lie! It's not 'being not 100%", it's a lie! When and why do we water down LIES??
A. Did your son's aunt/uncle talk to him about your brother?
... It might be something he just didn't mention to you....
... I find it curious that she would just do 'this' alone w/out your son there.
..... Reason - Maybe son might have called her on it then?
Plus is son aware that you are into this 'stuff'? If so it might have been staged to play a trick on you. Kids have been and are known to do this more than a few times.
Now in General and NOT directed to you specifically:
As for "bad days" - yes we all have them, this is true... BUT........
Why then the 'excuses' as in Debbie W.'s case and the one I had done here?
Why didn't they just state, "I'm not getting anything here" Instead of "talking/listening to 'ghosts' that are not there!"
See this is where credibility goes down hill seriously fast! Her excuses cause a lot of serious Reasonable Doubts of what she claims. It's not just "not being on" or "Having a bad day..", it's the excuse and IS lying about Ghosts that are not there!
This is not just 'dismissed with excuses and little 'quick retorts' .. sorry you wouldn't buy that from anyone else! If a Doctor, Investment Counselor or such lied to you in such a manner you'd be over them with good reason and good cause ... So why do we excuse lies here? <-- That is the bottom line here - why do we just 'write off lies' with lines like: "Bad day" - "they are not 100% all the time" and so on... A lie is a lie, it's not a 'bad day' - it's a lie! It's not 'being not 100%", it's a lie! When and why do we water down LIES??
My son lived in an apartment building with his g/f..They ran into Cathy one night and dropped in for coffee. Cathy actually read the girl my son was dating (had never met her) and mentioned her Mom wearing funky wigs, and bright clothes, and wants the g/f to stop her bad habits. She said LOTS of things to this girl till she ran out, crying. She told my son her Mom had died of Cancer a year before, and that she wore funny wigs (due to hair loss) and bright clothes to lighten her mood. The bad habits turned out that this girl had Anorexia/Bulemia, however my son continued to see her but it got to difficult taking care of her so they broke up. Sadly 3 months ago, this girl committed suicide and no one found her for a week, which is horrible. My son was devastated..Backing up, all my son said that night was "WOW you should meet my Mom shes into this stuff to and pretty good at it, so he gave her my tel# (he is grown not a kid)My son would NEVER play a practical joke involving deaths of my loved ones. PLUS my son was only 6 mos when my brother was killed, so never got to meet him. Also my sons have no idea what a horrible relationship I had with my sister, so Cathy was right on target IMO..She didnt need my son to read me, she needed ME, but got vibes from him first, just didnt say anything, as she was busy trying to save that girls life. If someone is wrong, and reads the wrong person or something, that is NOT a lie. Many mediums become overwhelmed with spirits talking to them and of course they could screw up, as anyone can. Our lives dont depend on them, so if they make a mistake, they are human. JN
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Nov 11 2007, 02:53 PM)
My son lived in an apartment building with his g/f..They ran into Cathy one night and dropped in for coffee. Cathy actually read the girl my son was dating (had never met her) and mentioned her Mom wearing funky wigs, and bright clothes, and wants the g/f to stop her bad habits. She said LOTS of things to this girl till she ran out, crying. She told my son her Mom had died of Cancer a year before, and that she wore funny wigs (due to hair loss) and bright clothes to lighten her mood. The bad habits turned out that this girl had Anorexia/Bulemia, however my son continued to see her but it got to difficult taking care of her so they broke up. Sadly 3 months ago, this girl committed suicide and no one found her for a week, which is horrible. My son was devastated..Backing up, all my son said that night was "WOW you should meet my Mom shes into this stuff to and pretty good at it, so he gave her my tel# (he is grown not a kid)My son would NEVER play a practical joke involving deaths of my loved ones. PLUS my son was only 6 mos when my brother was killed, so never got to meet him. Also my sons have no idea what a horrible relationship I had with my sister, so Cathy was right on target IMO..She didnt need my son to read me, she needed ME, but got vibes from him first, just didnt say anything, as she was busy trying to save that girls life. If someone is wrong, and reads the wrong person or something, that is NOT a lie. Many mediums become overwhelmed with spirits talking to them and of course they could screw up, as anyone can. Our lives dont depend on them, so if they make a mistake, they are human. JN
Ok, fair enough - but you do understand that those are honest questions that do need to be asked - they are part of 'investigative questions'. So no offense is or was intended.
I think y'all should check out the episode from South Park with John Edwards... way too funny.
Anyways, as with anything, like the government, it is not necessarily the field that is flawed, but the people involved. By God you have to watch out for frauds. I don't understand why these people charge so damn much for something so sensitive and special to the majority of us--if they're in high demand, a strict waiting list is totally possible. It's really frustrating when you can't trust people you need to. What do you all think of more famous psychics, like Sylvia Brown, Echo Bodine, etc?
Anyways, as with anything, like the government, it is not necessarily the field that is flawed, but the people involved. By God you have to watch out for frauds. I don't understand why these people charge so damn much for something so sensitive and special to the majority of us--if they're in high demand, a strict waiting list is totally possible. It's really frustrating when you can't trust people you need to. What do you all think of more famous psychics, like Sylvia Brown, Echo Bodine, etc?
QUOTE (Jjbreen @ Nov 11 2007, 02:54 AM)
Why do we accept the claims of "Mediums" that do 'their thing' w/the stories and pictures and reports pre-posted?
Why is it we are told, "that it's not done this way ...." when we ask them their medium feelings, thoughts and such w/no information provided? Why is it, "it 's not done this way..", with these people? (Yes I know, I just wanted to see the question there for 'them' to read and see just how silly it looks ... )
This is just a 'tad' bogus, right?
I mean how hard is it to give feelings and thought w/all the information there to read and see? Anyone can do that! There is no medium powers in that. My son would call that: "Master of the Obvious!"
So how is it that we can validate these people if it's not through some tests? I mean other wise we are simply to 'take their word for it' and their 'references' - "see what I did "here" and "there" - I told people I agreed w/their stories!"
I"m sorry but does anyone else see the problems w/these kinds of claims? Also why this field cannot and is not taken seriously .... ?
Why is it we are told, "that it's not done this way ...." when we ask them their medium feelings, thoughts and such w/no information provided? Why is it, "it 's not done this way..", with these people? (Yes I know, I just wanted to see the question there for 'them' to read and see just how silly it looks ... )
This is just a 'tad' bogus, right?
I mean how hard is it to give feelings and thought w/all the information there to read and see? Anyone can do that! There is no medium powers in that. My son would call that: "Master of the Obvious!"
So how is it that we can validate these people if it's not through some tests? I mean other wise we are simply to 'take their word for it' and their 'references' - "see what I did "here" and "there" - I told people I agreed w/their stories!"
I"m sorry but does anyone else see the problems w/these kinds of claims? Also why this field cannot and is not taken seriously .... ?
People wish to believe in mediums(even the fakes) because they wish to believe that their dead family members are not really gone. But even so I believe that not all mediums are fake. Some are fake for the money but i believe that some can actually do some medium stuff.
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 10:42 PM)
it's very sad isn't it
Yes but also amusing LOL..
QUOTE (Jjbreen @ Nov 12 2007, 12:35 AM)
Ok, fair enough - but you do understand that those are honest questions that do need to be asked - they are part of 'investigative questions'. So no offense is or was intended.
None taken my friend..JN
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Nov 12 2007, 01:44 AM)
Yes but also amusing LOL..
just let them be amongst themselves and all will be well i guess. why did i have to find out the hard way
I have run across a few people who claimed to be mediums.(In real life. I see them all the time on the internet) I have yet to meet any that were really mediums.
I do know someone who is what I call, psychic.
She knows things that no one else could possibly know. She meets total strangers and can tell you all about their childhood. She can tell you what someone is doing at any time. She can tell someone's future, what they will do with their lives. She has said, "He'll be dead before he's 30." and the guy died at 29, two days before his birthday. She knows the sex of a pregnant womans baby, before the woman even knows that she's pregnant. Stuff like that.
Yet, she works a full time menial job and has no desire whatsoever to proclaim her gift, unless it's life-threatening and even then she only warns the people involved and leaves their decisions to them.
When someone tells her that she is psychic, she adamently denies it and says it's only woman's intuition.
To me, she is a psychic, that has a true gift.
I believe that anyone who is truly gifted in this way, has no desire to be famous or rich because of it.
To her it is the norm and she doesn't like to call attention to it.
Now maybe she is just a really humble person, no actually she's not. She just doesn't think that this ability makes her any more special than the next person. I admire her for that.
So yes, I believe that there are true psychics (and mediums) out there, but I believe that they are few and far between.
I agree that there should be some sort of testing for them. If you have the gift, then you have it. If you don't, then you don't. It really shouldn't make any difference what the test consists of.
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
I do know someone who is what I call, psychic.
She knows things that no one else could possibly know. She meets total strangers and can tell you all about their childhood. She can tell you what someone is doing at any time. She can tell someone's future, what they will do with their lives. She has said, "He'll be dead before he's 30." and the guy died at 29, two days before his birthday. She knows the sex of a pregnant womans baby, before the woman even knows that she's pregnant. Stuff like that.
Yet, she works a full time menial job and has no desire whatsoever to proclaim her gift, unless it's life-threatening and even then she only warns the people involved and leaves their decisions to them.
When someone tells her that she is psychic, she adamently denies it and says it's only woman's intuition.
To me, she is a psychic, that has a true gift.
I believe that anyone who is truly gifted in this way, has no desire to be famous or rich because of it.
To her it is the norm and she doesn't like to call attention to it.
Now maybe she is just a really humble person, no actually she's not.
She just doesn't think that this ability makes her any more special than the next person. I admire her for that.So yes, I believe that there are true psychics (and mediums) out there, but I believe that they are few and far between.
I agree that there should be some sort of testing for them. If you have the gift, then you have it. If you don't, then you don't. It really shouldn't make any difference what the test consists of.
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Nov 12 2007, 02:14 AM)
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
Lol, they are all lining up now to debunk your post
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Nov 12 2007, 02:14 AM)
I have run across a few people who claimed to be mediums.(In real life. I see them all the time on the internet) I have yet to meet any that were really mediums.
I do know someone who is what I call, psychic.
She knows things that no one else could possibly know. She meets total strangers and can tell you all about their childhood. She can tell you what someone is doing at any time. She can tell someone's future, what they will do with their lives. She has said, "He'll be dead before he's 30." and the guy died at 29, two days before his birthday. She knows the sex of a pregnant womans baby, before the woman even knows that she's pregnant. Stuff like that.
Yet, she works a full time menial job and has no desire whatsoever to proclaim her gift, unless it's life-threatening and even then she only warns the people involved and leaves their decisions to them.
When someone tells her that she is psychic, she adamently denies it and says it's only woman's intuition.
To me, she is a psychic, that has a true gift.
I believe that anyone who is truly gifted in this way, has no desire to be famous or rich because of it.
To her it is the norm and she doesn't like to call attention to it.
Now maybe she is just a really humble person, no actually she's not. She just doesn't think that this ability makes her any more special than the next person. I admire her for that.
So yes, I believe that there are true psychics (and mediums) out there, but I believe that they are few and far between.
I agree that there should be some sort of testing for them. If you have the gift, then you have it. If you don't, then you don't. It really shouldn't make any difference what the test consists of.
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
I do know someone who is what I call, psychic.
She knows things that no one else could possibly know. She meets total strangers and can tell you all about their childhood. She can tell you what someone is doing at any time. She can tell someone's future, what they will do with their lives. She has said, "He'll be dead before he's 30." and the guy died at 29, two days before his birthday. She knows the sex of a pregnant womans baby, before the woman even knows that she's pregnant. Stuff like that.
Yet, she works a full time menial job and has no desire whatsoever to proclaim her gift, unless it's life-threatening and even then she only warns the people involved and leaves their decisions to them.
When someone tells her that she is psychic, she adamently denies it and says it's only woman's intuition.
To me, she is a psychic, that has a true gift.
I believe that anyone who is truly gifted in this way, has no desire to be famous or rich because of it.
To her it is the norm and she doesn't like to call attention to it.
Now maybe she is just a really humble person, no actually she's not.
She just doesn't think that this ability makes her any more special than the next person. I admire her for that.So yes, I believe that there are true psychics (and mediums) out there, but I believe that they are few and far between.
I agree that there should be some sort of testing for them. If you have the gift, then you have it. If you don't, then you don't. It really shouldn't make any difference what the test consists of.
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
It didnt offend me . I thought it was a good post and i agree those who have it dont usually have to advertise it . i know a few who will also say it is intuition and i think they could be right , it could be something as simple as intuition but it is just that some people have much better intuition than others . more likely to listen to it ,rather than shrug it off . and in times of need act upon it.
I would believe someone like that more easilly than someone who was shouting i can do this and that off the rooftops personally .
blessings SS79 x x x
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 12 2007, 01:55 AM)
just let them be amongst themselves and all will be well i guess. why did i have to find out the hard way
LOL Life is fulll of lessons Dear..JN
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Nov 12 2007, 02:33 AM)
LOL Life is fulll of lessons Dear..JN
I was wondering why the believers all kept quietly to themselves lol
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 12 2007, 02:35 AM)
pitty the same should be applied to skeptics.
if only there were more of people who would just listen, shouting would become a thing of the past.
if only there were more of people who would just listen, shouting would become a thing of the past.
yeah but its one thing too listen . and another too accept blindly without question .
.LOL everyone has me down as skeptic . guess theres no psychics on this thread then
^ They are now putting words into my mouth
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 12 2007, 02:39 AM)
^ They are now putting words into my mouth
You quoted me . whats up did spanky leave before you finished having your fun. i see you have been commenting about him since he left this thread over 3 and half hours ago . and who is THEY the poeple who have the sense to question .? ?
back to the topic .
yes we should ask questions . yes they should be tested . do i believe there are some genuine ones HELL YEAH . do i believe there are more frauds YES YES YES
QUOTE (spiritual_soul79 @ Nov 12 2007, 02:46 AM)
You quoted me . whats up did spanky leave before you finished having your fun. i see you have been commenting about him since he left this thread over 3 and half hours ago . and who is THEY the poeple who have the sense to question .? ?
back to the topic .
yes we should ask questions . yes they should be tested . do i believe there are some genuine ones HELL YEAH . do i believe there are more frauds YES YES YES
back to the topic .
yes we should ask questions . yes they should be tested . do i believe there are some genuine ones HELL YEAH . do i believe there are more frauds YES YES YES
but the thing is dear, your questions appear to be more like answers. It is one thing to question, and another to preach!!
The show is legally binded, and it is stated multiple times by the presenter. Perhaps you should watch it..
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 08:26 PM)
Lol, they are all lining up now to debunk your post
Who's lining up?
I agree with ss79, it is one thing to listen and hear and investigate and decide for yourself, and another to just believe whatever you are told.
I'm sure, that believing whatever you are told is easy, because it requires no thought. It requires no investigation. It requires nothing but, for you to sit there, and have other's tell you what to think.
If you have listened and investigated and found something to be true, then it is still only true to you.
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Nov 12 2007, 03:22 AM)
Who's lining up?
I agree with ss79, it is one thing to listen and hear and investigate and decide for yourself, and another to just believe whatever you are told.
I'm sure, that believing whatever you are told is easy, because it requires no thought. It requires no investigation. It requires nothing but, for you to sit there, and have other's tell you what to think.
If you have listened and investigated and found something to be true, then it is still only true to you.
I agree with ss79, it is one thing to listen and hear and investigate and decide for yourself, and another to just believe whatever you are told.
I'm sure, that believing whatever you are told is easy, because it requires no thought. It requires no investigation. It requires nothing but, for you to sit there, and have other's tell you what to think.
If you have listened and investigated and found something to be true, then it is still only true to you.
Wow you're very bright aren't you
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 10:27 PM)
Wow you're very bright aren't you
That seemed to hint at sarcasm.
Anyway, yes one should pay very close attention to every detail when it comes to these mediums! They are a dime a dozen.
a dime a dozen? are you thinking of buying?
QUOTE (RX-7 @ Nov 11 2007, 09:27 PM)
Wow you're very bright aren't you
Not particularly, how about you explain that post to me?
What does "Wow, you're very bright aren't you?" (whoops you forgot the comma and the question mark let me add that for you) mean.
Are you telling me that I'm intelligent or are you telling me in a sarcastic way, that I'm stupid?
I really don't care about whatever argument you are having here, I'm sure it's really important to you though, I was just commenting on a post. Feel free to do with it what you will.
QUOTE (cryingwoe @ Nov 11 2007, 10:38 PM)
a dime a dozen? are you thinking of buying?
Buying what? If you mean buying into every claim that is presented and believing it!
NO, I'm not buying.
As far as these mediums go the only thing that I've seen so far is a good talent! Intuition can be
a powerful thing if one knows how to use it.
I will not go as far as to say all of these mediums are fake! Some of them do seem to be the real deal.
i am so sorry i thought you wanted to buy a dozen mediums
QUOTE (Tom R @ Nov 12 2007, 03:50 AM)
Buying what? If you mean buying into every claim that is presented and believing it!
NO, I'm not buying.
As far as these mediums go the only thing that I've seen so far is a good talent! Intuition can be
a powerful thing if one knows how to use it.
I will not go as far as to say all of these mediums are fake! Some of them do seem to be the real deal.
NO, I'm not buying.
As far as these mediums go the only thing that I've seen so far is a good talent! Intuition can be
a powerful thing if one knows how to use it.
I will not go as far as to say all of these mediums are fake! Some of them do seem to be the real deal.
Hi Tom, I agree..JN
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Nov 11 2007, 09:14 PM)
I have run across a few people who claimed to be mediums.(In real life. I see them all the time on the internet) I have yet to meet any that were really mediums.
I do know someone who is what I call, psychic.
She knows things that no one else could possibly know. She meets total strangers and can tell you all about their childhood. She can tell you what someone is doing at any time. She can tell someone's future, what they will do with their lives. She has said, "He'll be dead before he's 30." and the guy died at 29, two days before his birthday. She knows the sex of a pregnant womans baby, before the woman even knows that she's pregnant. Stuff like that.
Yet, she works a full time menial job and has no desire whatsoever to proclaim her gift, unless it's life-threatening and even then she only warns the people involved and leaves their decisions to them.
When someone tells her that she is psychic, she adamently denies it and says it's only woman's intuition.
To me, she is a psychic, that has a true gift.
I believe that anyone who is truly gifted in this way, has no desire to be famous or rich because of it.
To her it is the norm and she doesn't like to call attention to it.
Now maybe she is just a really humble person, no actually she's not. She just doesn't think that this ability makes her any more special than the next person. I admire her for that.
So yes, I believe that there are true psychics (and mediums) out there, but I believe that they are few and far between.
I agree that there should be some sort of testing for them. If you have the gift, then you have it. If you don't, then you don't. It really shouldn't make any difference what the test consists of.
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
I do know someone who is what I call, psychic.
She knows things that no one else could possibly know. She meets total strangers and can tell you all about their childhood. She can tell you what someone is doing at any time. She can tell someone's future, what they will do with their lives. She has said, "He'll be dead before he's 30." and the guy died at 29, two days before his birthday. She knows the sex of a pregnant womans baby, before the woman even knows that she's pregnant. Stuff like that.
Yet, she works a full time menial job and has no desire whatsoever to proclaim her gift, unless it's life-threatening and even then she only warns the people involved and leaves their decisions to them.
When someone tells her that she is psychic, she adamently denies it and says it's only woman's intuition.
To me, she is a psychic, that has a true gift.
I believe that anyone who is truly gifted in this way, has no desire to be famous or rich because of it.
To her it is the norm and she doesn't like to call attention to it.
Now maybe she is just a really humble person, no actually she's not.
She just doesn't think that this ability makes her any more special than the next person. I admire her for that.So yes, I believe that there are true psychics (and mediums) out there, but I believe that they are few and far between.
I agree that there should be some sort of testing for them. If you have the gift, then you have it. If you don't, then you don't. It really shouldn't make any difference what the test consists of.
This is strictly my opinion and isn't meant to offend anyone.
Now THIS is a beautiful post
I agree. Good one, Jody
Wow, hows about the passive aggressive post wars going on here!
Anyways I was just wondering if any mediums had volunteered to be scrutinised in a lab? And what type of experiment could you get them to do to prove their powers?
Anyways I was just wondering if any mediums had volunteered to be scrutinised in a lab? And what type of experiment could you get them to do to prove their powers?
QUOTE (Betsy @ Nov 11 2007, 11:23 PM)
Wow, hows about the passive aggressive post wars going on here!
Anyways I was just wondering if any mediums had volunteered to be scrutinised in a lab? And what type of experiment could you get them to do to prove their powers?
Anyways I was just wondering if any mediums had volunteered to be scrutinised in a lab? And what type of experiment could you get them to do to prove their powers?
None of that here. You need to find those in other threads... really.... I'm serious... really. Jody
so many mediums
Any smalls?
i don't think so
Bummer, I believe in Smalls
QUOTE (EnJay @ Nov 11 2007, 11:34 PM)
Bummer, I believe in Smalls
I actually got a laugh out of that one!
what are smalls
QUOTE (Betsy @ Nov 11 2007, 08:23 PM)
Wow, hows about the passive aggressive post wars going on here!
Anyways I was just wondering if any mediums had volunteered to be scrutinised in a lab? And what type of experiment could you get them to do to prove their powers?
Anyways I was just wondering if any mediums had volunteered to be scrutinised in a lab? And what type of experiment could you get them to do to prove their powers?
Actually if all works out this Wednesday - I plan to start two threads.
One will be of 4 people - 2 just your average Joe's and 2 committed serious crimes (murder and such)
Second will of 4 homes - 2 just your average homes and 2 will have had serious crimes committed in them.
Plus actually I think the dialog has gone very well - pro and con sides have been presented and no one has "lost it" yet ... I'm actually personally pleased w/how well it's gone so far!
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