Why do we accept the claims of "Mediums" that do 'their thing' w/the stories and pictures and reports pre-posted?

Why is it we are told, "that it's not done this way ...." when we ask them their medium feelings, thoughts and such w/no information provided? Why is it, "it 's not done this way..", with these people? (Yes I know, I just wanted to see the question there for 'them' to read and see just how silly it looks ... )

This is just a 'tad' bogus, right?

I mean how hard is it to give feelings and thought w/all the information there to read and see? Anyone can do that! There is no medium powers in that. My son would call that: "Master of the Obvious!"

So how is it that we can validate these people if it's not through some tests? I mean other wise we are simply to 'take their word for it' and their 'references' - "see what I did "here" and "there" - I told people I agreed w/their stories!"

I"m sorry but does anyone else see the problems w/these kinds of claims? Also why this field cannot and is not taken seriously .... ?

I agree...and it is a problem

I believe it is taken seriously by many law enforcement agencies thru the Country. I dont believe what everyone tells me but there are people out there with abilities, no two ways about it. Its been my experience that certain people can tap into the other dimension and hear from those who have passed. Its not rocket science, its their lot in life..You cant put any medium or psychic on the spot and ask for something immediately because the images and voices come randomly, and only for certain open people. Its a two way street, one is the giver and one is the receiver. Thats all I have to say on this subject. JN

I agree with this, and yes some medium's are "masters of the obvious" like John Edwards as in south park lol. They did that pretty well, you go in an audience and say "I'm getting something that begins with an S" person #1 "ZOMG my name is Sam!" "Well Sam, someone is telling you to not worry about the money. Does that mean anything to you?" person #1 "O wow my grandpa just died and I was worrying so much from all the expenses!" In cases like that it's "masters of the obvious". However, I believe there are real ones out there and the best piece of evidence of it was on Ghost Hunters when they interviewed a medium and used a thermal camera and you can see the heat exchange as "energy". I'm sure someone here can find that clip on youtube and post it here. Validates my beliefs to me imo.

But JN -

Are those not the rare expections =vs= the 'norm' that a lot would like or have us to believe? Yes I will admit I have met the 'real thing' - but they are very rare and thus are not hard to see as the real thing!

Do you honestly think there are as 'many' out there that some would like people to believe? Be honest ....

Hey JJ

Good post


No no one should take these claims just like that. anything on the internet i take with a pinch of salt really . i have too. All we have to go on is a claim and a story .

It's getting better in the UK at the moment we have governing bodies and The fraudulant mediums act and such but it doesn't stop the fakes . they will always be present because there is a buck to be made . the only things organisations do is make it safer for the sitters of these mediums .

I was actually doing a project once on fraudulant mediums and was asked to view a group over a period of time . and join the training classes they had going on in which only members were able to read for the public and you have to pass certain tests before you can read, like assesments . however as soon as you became a member and paid your fees which you could do immediatly .you were able to read for other people supervised . Which i found shocking . the impact that these people can have on anothers life is massive . Some people hang on every word they say . do as they say . Luckilly this group wasnt a fear based group and had strict gidelines for what was allowed to be said ie no predicting . no negative stuff but still its amazing the power these people have over others with what they say . All newcomers were told that they had the gift they just had to trust it . so these newbies were reading within a day of joining .

so yes im all for testing and i think anyone who claims to be a medium should be tested especialy IF they are set up and running a business from it and should be willing to be so if asked . otherwise dont make the claim. But for some it still takes a personal reading to be proof enough. i have found that sometimes also that some skeptics are subjective when viewing the results so it works both ways imo

I have seen spirits but i'm by no means a medium . Although i was told by a well established medium here in the UK that i had the gift and that i could work for her so long as i shared my takings 60/40 of course twadddle . seeing as these things come randomly too me and i have no control over them it hardly constitues being a medium however she thought it was enough lol she didnt last very long in her job

Its hard to take any medium seriously . unless something has been said to you personally that only you could know . ive seen a few very good that i dont know where they attained their info spirits /guides/psychically i dont know. they definitly didnt go through my garbage or my history on the net they were given a fake name , And i turned up on spec

But i always say think fake until proven otherwise .its the best defence IMO .

heck sorry thats so long .Got carried away

blessings SS79 x x x

It was a great post =) It wasn't too long! I know people probably get annoyed with me since most of my posts are 1000000 pages long LOL. =D

Thanks amroth . i somtimes garble on LOL it was twice longer than that before i deleted it all and re wrote it . hope you enjoyed your birthday x

Real mediums are rare. You just figured out how to spot the fake ones..congratulations.

A real medium doesn't need information. Here is a real medium at work....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dem5q0Rj5-4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dem5q0Rj5-4

Well I have only been reading-not posting-not wanting to get bashed again. Thanks for having an open and intuitive mind. Not everything can be quantified-even though that would make life a lot easier. If I had my way I would not want this so-called gift. It has brought me more misery and pain than I can imagine. I haven't helped that many people at all. I honestly think it is a by-product of either sensitivity or the amount of experiences one has in life that evolves their soul. I have been this way since I was three. My birth-mother whom I did not grow up with was also this way, as was her mother and her father. Our family is Romanian, Scottish and Italian. The Romanian side has these abilities. I cannot control what comes in. I can strengthen myself against the darker energies, but it is a bit like walking down a busy street. You see this person, you see that person. I know their are a lot of skeptics out there-that's good. It is always good to have a critical perspective. I am skeptical too. I don't have a spirit guide-I don't even know what that is. But I do see and feel and hear spirits or other beings everyday. Most times I cannot make out what they want or what they need. What I hear is said too fast or it's just not audible. I don't want to fight with anyone here.....I think we all have a connection to the other realms. Some people are just closer to those realms at different times than others.

Kate

yeah i watched that too its very interesting .

I don't know that it would be considered a field. We all have the ability to use our intuition to some degree or another. I myself have come into contact with numerous frauds that just want to shake me down for a quick buck. But just because someone makes a living at this and has their own process doesn't mean they are not authentic. Who knows in the end what this is all about. But I think we can safely say that there are people who have a unique connection to the spiritual realm. And we can also say there are opportunists that will take advantage of this idea and cash in.

Kate

Again, you're making a colossal generalisation. We have established that there are many fake mediums, and if your post is directed at them, then more power to you. But there are certainly mediums aren't at all 'a tad bogus.'

Deb Webber is given a photograph of a murder victim. She does not look at the photograph. It is placed face-down before her. All this is aired on national television and the television show is legally required to supervise and watch her non-stop. She then picks up an 'energy' from the photograph, and claims that the 'spirit of the deceased' is present and proceeds to say:

1) the sex of the victim.
2) the age of the victim.
3) the former residence of the victim
4) the personality of the victim
5) the nature of the victim's death

In each of these things, she is absolutely correct. Now, there is absolutely no verifiable proof to suggest that Deb picks up an 'energy' from the photograph, nor that she communicates with the victim's spirit. But we do know this - that prior to the filming of the reading she has absolutely no idea who or what she is going to be presented with, nor has she done any research - she has given all this information on the spot.

So how did she do this? One who was still disinclined to believe in the supernatural side of things could try and claim that she guessed the information. Which is, in my opinion, ludicrous.

No wonder Deb Webber, among a small handful of other carefully selected mediums, is constantly requested to aid police in solving crimes.

I will say again: There are many, many false mediums out there, who are accurately described in Jj's post. However, there are exceptions, such as Deb Webber, described above, who simply cannot be ruled out as false. It would be close-minded and irrational to do so.

While searching for psychics to partake in the television show described above, TVNZ interviewed over 60 'psychics,' presenting them with a photograph of a victim from a remote murder case and asking them to conjure intimate details of the victim and the case. Of all 60, only two could do so. Again - the abundance of false mediums is staggering. But I have no doubt there is a fair share of real ones.

Again I stated: Debbie W. may very well be the 'real thing' - but my point of this thread is two fold:

A. Debbie is the rare EXCEPTION and >>NOT<< the rule that so many other's would like us to believe.
... See I do not believe these people are the even close to being the RULE - they are very very rare and unique individuals.
... Notice also what you said about this D. W. She does not go out of her way for INFORMATION. She doesn't "phish".

Now how many other "mediums" would follow her example? Not very many!! Why - they know they would fail and be exposed for the frauds that they are!


B. For people to begin to look at what is going on around them. To look at the obvious and see it for what it is.
... I know "mediums" as one person posted that go "phishing" - make a general statement to see what reaction they get... then move in for the "kill"
... Other "mediums" as stated come in AFTER the story or what everhas been told - NOT before. In fact they will AVOID situations where NO information is given!

See this is the thing - by their actions or lack of them you will know what you have. Do they "step up" or offer up avoidances and excuses? Usually the later all covered under the 'blanket' of being "spiritual". Sigh .....

With the excuse, and yes this is what it is - ".. it doesn't work this way ...." funny thing w/this 'cop out' is that - the real ones DO work exactly this way! No excuses, no avoidance, no 'word games' or 'mind games'.

What a great and wonderful perspective

Kate

Understood - I see where you're coming from and respect what you're saying. So this thread is to make people open their eyes to fake mediums?

To the fakes ones out there -- and as you pointed out w/Debbie W. what to expect from the real ones.... NO PHISHING - no hunting for clues - no spiritual and/or mind games and so on.

That these people like Debbie are again the very extreme rare exception .... not the "rule" --- Frauds are the rule ....

Hmm! Mrs. Cleo, Sylvia Brown, etc. These ring a bell! lol

Money hoarders. A truely sad way to dupe ignorant, (Yet willing!) people out of their money.

I'm so happy to see we're on the same page!

And everyone - remember, never trust 'mediums' online. They will seem much more convincing.

For Example;

Jjbreen..

let's see.. you're a hard one to read..

ahh, I've got you now..

yes.. a very strong mind.. logical, good with writing...

I sense a kind of content within you.. you're happy with where you're at..

there's a female influence.. perhaps a daughter.. maybe more than one.. definately more than one, yes, I see them now.

and a granddaughter too, I see her...

yes, there's alot of female energy around you.. a wife too of course... young.

you're good with females, if you don't mind me saying...

And so on - don't believe any of it! Online Mediums are Frauds!!!

LOL, good one ziggy! You have to take into concideration how easy it is to get information from people on the internet!
It can be as simple as reading their profile or just watching them post on a forum such as this.

Edit: Spelling errors.

It's as easy as that. Use the internet with caution!

LOL Too funny and yes I did see thermal image on TAPS it was amazing evidence..JN

In regards to thermal imaging:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7C7WlYCZGQ

The incident on Ghost Hunters in which a human figure was seen with a thermal camera. Maybe a ghost, maybe not. Still amazing.

I think there are alot more out there than we know. I would never trust anyone on the Internet, thats for sure. Millions are born with that so called gift, and some run with it and help others, and some suppress it out of fear. But I know a few in real life that are fantastic..Just my opinion of course. I am a sensitive/psychic so for me, its easy to tell a fake from a genuine medium. I wont go into my history on this board anymore, however they are out there, you just need to find a credible one, normally by word of mouth..JN

Hi Kate, Nice to see you again. I agree, not sure if its a gift or a curse but it is what it is. I have had to become blocked, but I still get images and flashes I just dont act on them. Yes it is good to be skeptic cause so many people get ripped off by frauds..Its hard to trust others when it comes to tapping into the other side...JN

LOL Years ago while going thru some life's difficulties, I found a psychic in my own town. Normally no one can read me, so I was a total skeptic. She told me the same thing, that there was a curse on my father's side and she would light candles for me, so I said THANKS LOL..Then she rambled off the prices, so told her I would live with the curse before I would pay her a cent..Those are a dime a dozen and all over the place..JN

i am a sensitive and am well aware of how horrible phony psychics and mediums are. they are indeed "masters of the obvious". the spirits that i sense come to me the overwhelming majority of the time, not the other way around. i have assisted some friends and friends of friends with various spiritual issues and have happily done so at no cost to them. i cannot imagine charging people for something that comes to me for free. it seems very wrong and exploitive. i too have inherited my abilities and have had them since childhood. my paternal grandmother was a Lakota Sioux and saw spirits throughout her life. it's really a shame that these frauds prey upon confused, grieving people to make a living.

p.s. this is my first real post on this forum. happy to be joining you all!

Hi unsere, welcome

I agree completely with your post. I admit I am a skeptic when it comes to mediums, however there is no denying that we all have intuition and we all have an ability to detect energy (such as when you walk into a room after two people have been fighting and the air is so full of tension you can "cut it with a knife" - I think most of us have experienced that at some point). I think if there are people out there who are able to consciously tap into energy, then they are fully aware of the need for universal balance. Maybe it's just me, I believe strongly in karma (whatever negativity you send out, must come back), so I think if mediums can do the things they claim to be able to do, then they are fully aware of the fact that expecting money from a vulnerable person who is desperate with a need to speak to their dead loved ones actually creates negative energy, whereas helping someone from the goodness of your heart, without expecting something in return, creates positive energy. Just my opinion of course, but it's nice to see people who are aware of the energy they create as a result of their actions, something I would think all genuine mediums would pick up considering they are conscious of surrounding energy to begin with.

Hehe, thanks, yea I enjoyed it. Went out to eat and then had some nice quite time

I think were all somewhat intuitive! Just watching people how they act, move, speak, express themselves,
can give you a lot of information about a person if you know how to use it.

I have dreams sometimes about things/places that I have never seen before! But, then later on I find myself
getting such an item or going to a place I had a dream about! I really don't know if there is a connection between
the dream world and psychic phenomena! But, it's interesting to say in the least.



Regards,
Tom

I believe there are genuine mediums.... But, if they are going to make a profit from it.. yes I think they should be tested. After all you wouldn't have a unskilled not registered tradesman doing a job for you... you would like them to be certified.

Just my opinion... I personally couldn't make a profit from the bereaved... I believe in what goes around comes around!!!

I believe that some mediums genuinely believe they have a gift, but i also believe the bigger picture is that the majority want to believe, and some who think they have the ability, take advantage unknowingly, the rest are pure money grabbers.

I have to say here that we cant only blame the mediums we have to wonder why they are able to operate . and the sad fact is that people allow them too . by being so willing to buy into everything they say .make the information fit . clutch at straws .

I know these people are grieving or have a lost loved ones but i feel we still have to use common sense .

I have also seen that they feed the reader without even meaning too . for instance the medium will say "was it his heart honey " . the sitter than says no he was shot . but it was in the chest . So now the medum has a few leads already she/he can now say . i feel pain but it didnt last long he passed quickly . i hear a bang or even she could say she sees a flash and i feel like i have hit my head . they know if soemone is shot they will fall over so a hit on the head is a good assumption there. i see another male involved ( its hightly likey the shooter is male ) . where as if the sitters answer to "was it his heart" had been a simple NO then the medium would have to work harder .

Sadly this is how very many readiings go . You cant fault the grieving for this its obvious they want comfort . however i just feel its what keeps the frauds going .

If for instance we only answered with yes or no which is what a good medium should ask of you . it would be somewhat harder for the reader to gain anything . and it wuld quickly become apparent if the medium was strugling r making it up as he/she went along .

I personally have seen a lot of mediums and have no problem reporting a fraud to the FMA but sadly its hard to find the frauds when the sitters make it so easy .

blessings SS79 x x x

Yep she obviously is a scam. I am sure that must be the reason why the local police are letting her help with investigations, because of all these lies

She doesn't even get paid for it either!!!

So is that the answer to my question then? It doesn't work as an answer. The fact that she is assisting the police with something is not proof that the parlour trick she did on a tv show is legit. Is it?

So I take it that you're mere speculations on whether or not the show is genuine must be proof that she is fake then. I think the fact that she is successfully assisting police in solving cases is more than enough for conclusive proof that she has powers

You are either not listening or your struggling to understand the question i asked. What I want to know is this...

How do we know that she had absolutely no idea who or what she is going to be presented with? Did the person on the tv show say so? If this is the case it is conceivable that it may not be the truth. Sometimes the media tell lies.

That said, whatever the truth is in relation to the above question does not necessarily have any baring on any of the other things she does. Can you appreciate the distinction? It is a bit like saying someone who does not believe in God will not believe in aliens, it is not always as black and white as that.


P.S. please try not to misinterpret my question as an attempt to discredit anyone, it was simply a question.

Why would she fake it if she is not making any money from it... she doesn't get paid for it!!!

The audience is told that no information was given to any of the mediums prior to them having the photo . I am told there are strict gudlelines on what info the mediums are privvy too so i find it unlikelyy she will have any info prior . and she dioes work for the police so she obviously has some ability it would harm the reputaton she had built up if she was foolish enough to fake it for the sake of a show . although it has been done before with sylvia . but you cant tar them all the same .

Lol, I'm not quite sure what you are trying to get at. Are you simply saying that they gave her all the answers and therefore she must not be a real psychic. So how do we know that she really had any idea about what she was presented with, where is your proof apart from speculations. It's a bit hard to help police in investigations if she is unable too do most of those things wouldn't you think

"I dont doubt that she talks to dead people, they just dont talk back."

Poor old Debbie, she was having a bad day.....

couldn't agree more

So this is what exactly? A positive endorsement of her powers and somehow helpful to her reputation?

So lets get back to the exposure, and first up is Psychologist Michelle Smith.
Michelle is single, but creates a dead husband for Deb to speak to.

And Deb obliges, she even manages to speak to this imaginary dead husband on more than one occasion!

Now that is an amazing skill, reminds me of a certain Derek Acorah!

Anyway Michelle later reveals.
"I never had a husband,"

"She saw two large dogs, a large house and property, I have none of those things."

Deb Webbers response to this is:
"If they lie to me, well it's like the spirits do it back to them,"

"All I can say is: people tell me I can do it."

Great thread I believe there are a few "real" ones. I guess ones perception can only become a reality through experience. WIthout that no one will truly ever know. It's up to the "medium" to share their talents in a way that it is undeniable. There always will be skepticism. One should respect that. This is a good thread indeed. Thank you Jj Jody

For some reason i cant watch that video but i read the write up . however if she has been found to be cheating then she has done herself no favours . and will lose a lot of respect although there will be those who will still buy it . some people find it had to see the fakes even when the evidence is presented .

This is the problem and why they get away it .

But seing as i cant watch the video i cant see what was said .

wonder if the police stopped her from working afterwards ?? anyone know