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norwood1026
Meltus, Is correct all myths start some where however where they end up we might never know. If things like ghosts, spirits exist can you really say that these other creatures do not? Look at it this way if you were one of these creatures they why would you want humans to know about your Existence ? Knowing that humans over their entire Existence has on more then one occasion tried to destory each other. I see that some of you don't believe that werewolfs can transform into a wolf & then back into a human, but isn't that what the supernatural is?
Asphodel
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Feb 14 2008, 06:38 PM) *
Meltus, Is correct all myths start some where however where they end up we might never know. If things like ghosts, spirits exist can you really say that these other creatures do not? Look at it this way if you were one of these creatures they why would you want humans to know about your Existence ? Knowing that humans over their entire Existence has on more then one occasion tried to destory each other. I see that some of you don't believe that werewolfs can transform into a wolf & then back into a human, but isn't that what the supernatural is?


You think people can just change their DNA and bone structure to a wolfs (and so on), and then back to a human? That's just too much.
spikeman25
QUOTE (Asphodel @ Feb 15 2008, 05:30 AM) *
You think people can just change their DNA and bone structure to a wolfs (and so on), and then back to a human? That's just too much.
Not to a four legged wolf, But most werewolf sighting talk about a bi-pedal creature
Asphodel
QUOTE (spikeman25 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:21 AM) *
Not to a four legged wolf, But most werewolf sighting talk about a bi-pedal creature


No crap, but the bones still have to morph. That is impossible and there would have to be some kind of chance in DNA.
Atheist God
QUOTE (Showgirl @ Feb 14 2008, 05:20 AM) *
I believe in Santa. Wasn't he was a man who lived in Scandinavian a couple hundred years ago and gave presents that he made himself to the children of the village where he lived ? He did this because the village was poor and the children didn't have much. His giving presents anonymously gradually became the legend that it is today. Much in the same way that I think vampires and werewolves have had their original origins changed through story-telling through the years to what they are believed to be today.

Shame there's no real Santa now... not such a shame there's no real vampires now !! LOL

Min xx


Santa Claus... The guy with the white beard and red suit was actually a creation of Coca Cola in the early 20th century as part of a marketing campaign in which they employed Norman Rockwell to design what we now know as Santa. The name came from European origins most notably the Dutch who call him Sinterklaas (Saint Nicholas)...


St. Nick may have been a real guy in the third century however stories of his exploits as you mentioned above never started popping up until after his supposed death... Since no historical records exist no one is sure if he even existed or not.
Meltus
there is also Lunaphobia which causes an irational fear of a full moon. i suppose in extreme cases it could cause people to go insane. this coupled with what i said before sounds very much like the werewolf legend. (obviously apart from the transforming part.)
there is no way at all that a person could transform into a wolf, like asphodel said, the humans bodys DNA and bone structure would have to completely change and then, somehow, change back! It just wouldn't be possible. and even if it were. the person would probably die from the transformation or the pain.
Showgirl
QUOTE (spikeman25 @ Feb 15 2008, 06:21 AM) *
Not to a four legged wolf, But most werewolf sighting talk about a bi-pedal creature


There's been a lot of talk about the various diseases and conditions that people can have that make them appear to look like or act like a wolf. Maybe it's then the witnessess of these people acting or looking like wolves that then made others believe that they were actually wolves. back in those old days when people actually saw werewolves, they would not have known about these conditions and diseases, so they would ahve tried to describe the sufferers in the terms that they knew... They looked like wolves, they acted like wolves so they were wolves. Modern day people know all about these exotic diseases so they don't call them werewolves, we say they are people suffering from lycanthrope.
It was hundreds of years ago after all.

Min xx
~Cheese~
Who knows..
norwood1026
QUOTE (Asphodel @ Feb 15 2008, 06:30 AM) *
You think people can just change their DNA and bone structure to a wolfs (and so on), and then back to a human? That's just too much.



The problem is you’re not thinking outside of the box which is exactly what you have to do, which is where these creatures would live. In their world just about anything is possible you have to let go of what’s logical thinking on our world & think in terms of theirs. If werewolf’s to walk the earth whose to say how many legs they walk on & the same could be said for vampires everything is based on legend so we can’t be sure what they can & can not do.

The vampires might be more like Anne rice's version whos to say?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Feb 15 2008, 04:59 PM) *
The problem is you’re not thinking outside of the box which is exactly what you have to do, which is where these creatures would live. In their world just about anything is possible you have to let go of what’s logical thinking on our world & think in terms of theirs. If werewolf’s to walk the earth whose to say how many legs they walk on & the same could be said for vampires everything is based on legend so we can’t be sure what they can & can not do.

The vampires might be more like Anne rice's version whos to say?

I will say. THEY don't exist. Come on.
EtuMalku
I don't think most of you really understand what a vampire is.
Whereas the majority of 'vampires' are nothing short of role players or people with Narcisstic Personality Disorder, real ones do exist and they are nothing whatsoever like the Hollywood or Urban myths that you are making them out to be.
As for the morphing of Lyconthropes and Otherkin that you are talking about, this is not done on the Earthly Plane, no one can change their body shape. This is done on the Astral / Akashic Plane.
Showgirl
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Feb 15 2008, 10:59 PM) *
The problem is you’re not thinking outside of the box which is exactly what you have to do, which is where these creatures would live.


doesn't thinking 'outside the box' work both ways ? don't you have to accept the fact that maybe they don't and may have never existed ?

QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Feb 15 2008, 10:59 PM) *
In their world just about anything is possible you have to let go of what’s logical thinking on our world & think in terms of theirs. If werewolf’s to walk the earth whose to say how many legs they walk on & the same could be said for vampires everything is based on legend so we can’t be sure what they can & can not do.


it's all well and good saying think in terms of their perspective but I could think in terms of the perspective of Spongebob but does it means he exists ?

still love you X
norwood1026
I’m not saying that they do walk the earth all I’m saying is that you have to can not use human logic in thinking about these creatures. Your right about the Sponge Bob concept
Try this one on; It’s said that humans use what is it 10% of their brain maybe it requires more then that 10% for use to see how they might exists?

People believe that a man walked on water so what’s so different about vampires & such?
They both are supernatural.
Asphodel
That is a myth. We don't use merely 10% of our brains. All of the brain is used in one way or another, and each part has specific purposes. Scientists aren't ignorant of the purposes, either. Sooo... yeah.
xCrimsonx
All this stuff is soooooooooo trippy, you could just keep going around and around, and around, and around...............
yadda, yadda, yadda!!

*bites everyone* lol laugh.gif

Interesting topic.
deathxdealer
QUOTE (DukeofNoodleness @ Nov 13 2007, 02:29 PM) *
A 9 year old generally isn't mature enough to understand the difference between a hoax or an exaggerated lie. For example, kids tell ghost stories all the time, often telling urban legends and claiming it happened to a friends mum. This is because a kids imagination is wild and even if they know it's a lie they will want to beleive it as truth because it makes a tale more interesting. The element of mystery is rife in childrens minds.
Comparing the maturity of a brain from a 9 year old and that of an adult does not constitute as a valid argument.


just because your older does not necessarily mean your grown up, generally children are more open minded and tend to believe in the paranormal and fantasy, however it does not mean that they aren't completely false in what they believe. it reminds of this short story i read, i think it was called the celestial omibus, anyway i forget the author but this guy understood sometimes a child can be more grown up than an adult
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE (cryingwoe @ Nov 13 2007, 10:54 AM) *
yes but how do you know they are not real?



Uber dumb reply
DukeofNoodleness
QUOTE (deathxdealer @ Mar 20 2008, 02:24 AM) *
just because your older does not necessarily mean your grown up, generally children are more open minded and tend to believe in the paranormal and fantasy, however it does not mean that they aren't completely false in what they believe. it reminds of this short story i read, i think it was called the celestial omibus, anyway i forget the author but this guy understood sometimes a child can be more grown up than an adult


I agree that children aren't necessarily false in what they believe. Also I may add that I never stated that children aren't open minded, I said their brains weren't mature enough to distinguish between elaborate lies or hoaxes at first glance. After a while they will generally see the faults but if you tell a small child that 'santa claus exists' the child is bound to believe you. They have no other evidence to back up what they have been told and so the only option is to believe it. Especially if this information has been given to them by an adult they trust or look up to.

May I be frank and suggest that you meant 'mature' when you said 'grown up'. The sentence seemed a tad 'oxymoronic' to state. That is in no way a criticism from me, I only mean that being older is exactly that. MORE grown up than a child. But I assume you mean maturity in mind and not body therefore I have to add my opinion to yours. happy.gif
I wasn't 'calling you out' or anything blush.gif

I've heard about the celestial omnibus. I've not read it though. I really should do as you've convinced me it might be a good read.
ThE gOdEsS oF nOtHiNgNeSs
QUOTE (LunarDaughter @ Nov 13 2007, 03:41 AM) *
I want to see what everyone thinks about lycans!
Honestly I think that these things CAN exist..it is possible. Honestly, Lochness, Vampires, All of these things have come from urban legends. But Clinical Lycanthrope IS a desies that makes you think you are an animal and then there is Hemeophilia (Forgive the bad spelling) which IS a desies where you need blood transfusions and everything...
But why not?
And yet why?
Is there...OR is there not??

they are definitaly real! i belive in all that good stuff and who knows they are among us right now and just in hiding until there time comes!
Camozotz
I dont believe either exist. Vampires are now just people who drink blood, and think theyre special and different. We have no evidence of vampires existing. And for werewolves, its the same case. We have no evidnce, and like Carcharoth said, the bone structures would have to shift and change.
blaze53
Good question tongue.gif Im on the fence on this one..
Sweetsalem82103
You know. . .I never heard the term "lycan" until after the movie "Underworld" came out. . . .

Anyways. . .I'm not to sure about people turning into animals. . . But if they existed on a plane of existence that sometimes overlaps with ours, then yeah, its possible. . .

Even with Native American "shapeshifting", it was usually the person taking in the spirit of the animal. . .not necessarily physically turning into one. . . Thats what wearing animal skins was for grin2.gif

As for vampires. . .hmm. . .so many stories that go so far back and are so steeped in superstition and folklore of locals.. . . Who knows. It'd be highly unlikely for a creature as large as a human to live solely off of blood. That's why animals that live on blood tend to be very small. . .

But, who knows. I guess we will never know unless we actually see them. But that goes for nearly everything.
Dark_wolven
First off i wanna get the point across in my personal view the bible is the gratest and best known farytale to date but even so there is truth in all tales wheter they be fiction or seen stories and alot of this post is tooken from different articles i ran across those parts are in the aprenticies my view of the nephilim will be given at the end!!!

"Well, back in the ancient days of Noah when there were still groups or tribes of large people who were around 12 feet tall, there were some righteous men who fell and began marrying these women even though they were not girls who followed G-d and they had families with these women and they themselves turned their back on G-d. That’s it. Nothing more then that.
We know that spirits cannot have sex with people! The Bible says in Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. So angles do not marry or reproduce, there’s no need for them to. There are no "baby angels"! Demons are fallen angels (angel means, "messenger" in Greek) so they too don’t have reproductive organs. So the idea that demons were having sex with women is simply ridicules.
This is a Hebrew name given to the people described in Genesis 6 as the offspring of angels (or "the sons of God") and "the daughters of men" -- that is, human women. They are said in some stories to have been a race of giants or titans; in others, their fathers were actually fallen angels.
It’s a very mysterious passage in Genesis that gave the Hebrew language the word "nephilim". For one, it never says directly that the nephilim were related to the "sons of the gods" or the daughters of men also recalled in the passage, but merely states that "the nephilim were in the land at that time." The last time the word is mentioned was to describe Og, the gigantic king of the Bashan region - "for only Og remains from the rest of the nephilim" (Deuteronomy 3:11), and the Israelites killed him"
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"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God were came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown." (New Oxford Annotated Bible)
In other words, it is not at all clear that the Nephilim are to be identified with the "mighty men" or the children in question, at least not in this passage. The translation may make a difference.
In Numbers the 10 spies sent into Canaan report that among other things they saw "the Nephilim, sons of giants... and we were as roaches in our own eyes..." These are not to be confused with the Philistine giants mentioned in the end of Samuel.
Also, to make matters more confusing, the Hebrew word "Elohim" which is mostly translated to mean God, must also be translated as "masters" or "judges" (as in Exodus 21), and sometimes refer very specifically to mortal humans.
Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty ... (Ps 74:20)
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be...( Mt 24:37)
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD...( Ge 6:1-8)
"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, andfrom walking up and down in it" - Job 1:7 (see also Job2:2) "

And on to my ramblings about these mysterious beings who some believe to be demons..fallen angels or lesser deities well in some form or way compared to us yes this could be said though if you read such passages of angels and demons close enough you will realise one is not the same as the other the angels that left gods side are not demons they are just angels spiritual beings who take many forms and embodiments over time if memory serves right there is atleast 17 different forms given these beings in the different books included in the bible

being of spirritual descent i am sure that when they left gods side they had to give there spiritual bodies up for elemental forms but also would have kept there particular races general atributes and abillities i am also sure that there were female as well as male forms of them the nephilim is quoted many different places as being the children of these beings and mortal couplings all across the so called good book mostly in the old testement and quite a bit in hebrew literature of the fith dynasty region

and also to cover the difference of demons and angels demons are of the earth they have never been in heaven and go back unto the earth when they perish more common names given to these beings arepixies leppercauns elves and other forms we dont see for there waiting for the earth to come back into there hands or us to finaly mature to a point that they can freely show there selves to us while im sure they have interbred into our genolgy those couplings in one since could be placed in the nephilim class but is not the actual beings of the nephilims wich i am disscussing today i will cover this at another point in time

most religous mongers believe the nephilim to have died out with the flood but there apearence was still there in mythologys and folklore long after i wonder if you can name any of the different mythological creatures these beings are well we’ll get to that soon enough and ya im sure this post will rattle a few minds and probaly get a few laughs but all I ask is for you to freely leave me comment or opinnion any time ya like this is a personal view and realy dont give a damn if i shake ya sensibillity or not ive spent quite a bit of time studying this and other obscure facts through out my life anyways back on to disscussion at hand

nephilim like there parents were neither good nor bad at birth it took raising and what not to cause this to come about but some have definitely made apearences through out time in different forms such as vampires’were wolves’minotours’and mermaids better known as sirens as i said most angels were of animal forms but the children of these beings and mortal kind took on both and im also sure that there were more human tendencies in some rather than otheres we are all corporal on this plane

though where these beings choose to resaide today is anyones guess but im sure there still there the documentation is there in the writings of different historiacal factors to back this up if you look hard enough to find it while certain aspects are shady the basic outline is there and has been for years sirens and mermaids as well as shape shifters minotaurs vampires and beings with aptitude for doing unexplained phenomenom are scatterd through out history even to modern dates and times
personaly i cant blame them for hiding thereselves any of them while im sure theres plenty they could teach us im sure our race is so damn ignorant and judge mental wed confine them and lord knows what else thinking bout it lillith probaly was one as well or of the basic linology though she may have been a child of the earth as well as i said erlier i just felt like rambling about somthin to day take it with a grain of salt if you will but i would realy enjoy hearing your point of view on this subject if you feel like sharing it overall though yes there real yes they are chronicled and they are through out history and may you be blessed in your actions of this day

as i state in this blog entry wich is from another site origanoly and ive posted it here a few times now they are real it is givin in proof in the biggest colection of stories the world over
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