I want to see what everyone thinks about lycans!
Honestly I think that these things CAN exist..it is possible. Honestly, Lochness, Vampires, All of these things have come from urban legends. But Clinical Lycanthrope IS a desies that makes you think you are an animal and then there is Hemeophilia (Forgive the bad spelling) which IS a desies where you need blood transfusions and everything...
But why not?
And yet why?
Is there...OR is there not??

i believe they are real but also very difficult to find and i wonder why

Actually yes....It seems that if they are real..they dont wish to be found. if they are not...well then we have nothing to worry about. honesly i think they exist.

Now as for the PROOF because as humans...well we tend to be all I NEED PHOTOS SO I CAN BELIEVE.....hello when you were 9 did you need them...Ugh NO lol

I am not sure as to why they are so Hard to find. Good point!. . .Ok you get the flashlights I will get the steak and shovel JUST IN CASE.....Got it??? Coolness let go!!!!


BUT shhhh be very very quiet....we are hunting Lycans!!!!! rofl

if i say i don't like steak?

No, they don't exist outside movies, literature, legends, RPGs and music. Sure, there are people engaging in blood-drinking, claiming to be real vampires, but just drinking blood and spouting ridiculous claims do not make you a supernatural creature of the night.

yes but how do you know they are not real?

Ever heard of broken telephone???

They might have started out as people who think they are animals, and others that need to receive blood constantly.
But, with all the years of story telling, the original cases might have evolved quite drastically. Who knows, Vampires might have been cannibals for all we know. There are so many options as to how these stories came along.

There is always some truth in every ledged, and I firmly believe that.

Who knows . . . maybe these creatures are out there, and we are just far too blind to see them . . .

Because there is absolutely no credible evidence to suggest the existence of such creatures (in fact, I don't even think there's much fake evidence either). Heck, I don't even think there's been any credible claims of their existence for well over a hundred years.

A 9 year old generally isn't mature enough to understand the difference between a hoax or an exaggerated lie. For example, kids tell ghost stories all the time, often telling urban legends and claiming it happened to a friends mum. This is because a kids imagination is wild and even if they know it's a lie they will want to beleive it as truth because it makes a tale more interesting. The element of mystery is rife in childrens minds.
Comparing the maturity of a brain from a 9 year old and that of an adult does not constitute as a valid argument.



Yes, there are those that have certain conditions which give the appearance of supernatural happennings. And this is exactly where the legends came from. Ignorance.
Centuries ago people did not realise that there were there medical conditions like this and the legends of vampires became rife.
This is because of the lack of medical science.

Both are fictional characters...just stories... Myths and legends...

saying it won't make it so, convince me why don't you? This thread was made to try to find out WHY or HOW a werewolf or vampire may or may not exist, simply stating that they don't doesn't help. Show me holes in theories or something. Oppinions don't matter on this thread....sell me your theory...convinve me why they do or don't exist...don't just say real or fake....explain...expand

I really would LOVE to believe in the existence of vampires and werewolves but if they exist then there would have to be some sort of proof to back it up, people getting mauled or disappearing or landing in hospital with puncture wounds in their necks only to disappear from the hospital/morgue never to be seen again.

On the contary opinions matter see my opinion is they exist your opinon is they don't exist

That's easy. For a human to become a wolf, the entire bone structure would have to be altered. Also, senses like hearing, sight and smell would change. Same with the eyes and the shape of the body. This is something that simply isn't possible to achieve without major surgical operations (and trying to surgically change the bone structure in a human body from human to wolf would probably most likely either kill the patient, or leave him/her crippled for life).

As for vampires, if they were to exist, don't you think they would've been found by now? And if people were attacked by vampires, don't you think there would be more reports from doctors and hospitals about strange puncture wounds found on patient necks?

Sorry, but there simply isn't any sort of credible evidence, not even much fake evidence, to support the notion that vampires and werewolves exist outside legends, horror movies, literature etc., even though I love vampires.

but i read somewhere vampires are looking for alternate foodstuffs

I think if Vampires do exist, they aren't exactly the undead, but I think if they do exist, they're demons.

carcharoth has a perfect example of how a argument should be presented, thank you. Also cryingwoe I believe I have yet to actually give a solid opinion on my beliefs of vampires and werewolves.....

Considering vampires traditionally have to feed on blood, there would be pretty much only three to four possible explanations then:

1) They've stopped attacking humans, and only prey on animals. Of course, this could be connected to animal mutilations, but since vampires are only out for blood, the removal of reproductive organs, tissue, intestines etc. from mutilated animals would make no sense. And if they didn't go for domestic animals, don't you think there would've been more reports of animal carcasses being found without a drop of blood in them? A very unlikely explanation.

2) They're robbing blood banks. Extremely unlikely, as I can't even recall ever hearing about a blood bank being robbed. Not that it possibly hasn't happened, but I'm quite sure there'd be more blood bank robberies if vampires were using that as a means of getting blood, as it'd take quite a lot of blood to feed a population of vampires.

3) They have dealers in blood banks that will sell them blood. Well, not as unlikely as the previous explanations, but if there really was a black market where blood bank employees would sell blood, don't you think the directors etc. would note how blood suddenly would disappear from the blood banks without any explanation? Also, I'm quite sure some loudmouthed blood bank employee would've blabbered about it sooner or later, which would be a potential risk for the vampires.

4) They have people acting as "wandering blood banks", people who get paid to let vampires drink their blood. This apparently happens in some of the more bizarre vampire cults, but drinking blood does not equal being a full-fledged immortal vampire. People into that kind of thing are just as much humans as you and me. They just like to think that they are supernatural creatures.

I love the vampire myth, and I think Max Schrecks portrayal of Graf Orlok in Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens is one of the most defining portrayals of vampiric evil (and evil in general) to ever grace cinemas, but I wouldn't believe in vampires as actual, existing creatures. There simply isn't any proof to found such a belief IMO.



Why, thanks

If they were real (especially werewolves) i would think that someone would have found some REAL evidence rather than a blury photo.. such as maybe a werewolf corpse.

As you said there are rare conditions that could have easily been the spark which started the stories. I think considering the time these kind of stories started was a much simpler time where witches and magic and monsters were common explanations for the unexplained we shouldn't take any of the stories very seriously without some concrete evidence, which, in reality shouldn't be to hard to find considering the amount of apparent sightings we see pop up on these forums every week.

How much blood do you think the average vampire needs to consume for nourishment? And how often? I wonder if the blood type has to be compatible with the vampire's blood type.

With werewolves, they change on the full moon, right? Does the sufferer of this condition have to actually see the moon for the transformation to occur? Or do they just have to be exposed to the moonlight? Or does the transformation occur anyway, even if they are locked in a dark, windowless cell on the full moon?

Avs

Heavens, discussing creatures like that as if they're existing creatures isn't easy

God knows how much blood a vampire would need, but I guess that would depend on how long it had been since (s)he last fed. I think vampires can go for a while without feeding, but sooner or later they'd have to feed. Humans can go for quite a while without food, as long as we get water (or any other form of liquid) to stop us from dehydrating, but vampires don't eat, and they drink only blood, so I'd estimate from 2 days to 2 weeks as the period they could go without feeding (depending on how much blood they drained when they last fed). About the blood type, I don't think that would matter much. But I'm curious how HIV infected blood would affect a vampire.

As for werewolves, my guess is that it isn't strictly the moonlight that causes them to change, it's enough that it's a night with fullmoon. So even if you locked a werewolf inside a windowless, dark room, he'd probably transform.

The question at the top of the page is "Werewolves/Vamps...are they real" to which I gave a very brief and concise answer for ther simple fact that there needs to be no more a debate on vampires or werewolves than there does on the tooth fairy or santa claus. They are both creatures of fiction and folklore and no more.

I do not have to put holes in theories or explain or expand anymore than I have to defend my stance on the easter bunny for the simple fact that they are fictional creatures and I answered the question at the top of the page. There are a lot of people that wish them to be real, but that is not the case.

lol, yeah, seriously. But thats not believing, thats knowing. seeing proof is knowing something. Thinking god is real, thats believing. and for the question, I do believe they exist and do not wished to be found for they fear they will be hinted like animals and be viciously killed. but hey, if a werewolf was walking across your front lawn wat would u do right??? knowing my grandpa hed whip out the ol' double barrel and go for some target practice.

Great reply, thank you for taking it seriously and providing constructive criticism. I hadn't thought about infectious diseases and viruses in blood such as HIV. That would make things difficult for vampires, they would have to be more careful and selective of their victims. Thanks again.

Avs

I don't know about your sources but here in the Philippines, we don't need photos to prove if these creatures do exist. Events happen almost yearly concerning their attacks on humans, sightings and other deaths unexplainable by medicine. We know they exist, and they know that we know they exist. That is why we do not seek them out or hunt them down. We know what they can do. They live in neighborhoods and in rural areas, people don't point them out out of fear of retribution from their kind. As for pictures for evidence, I don't think that's what you should worry about when you encounter one. Because if it is not out to scare you, it's out to eat you. Seriously, its a matter in this country that is not taken as a joke. Especially when you are in a rural area where you can disappear just like that.

Considering that vampire are essentially undead creatures, it could mean that the HIV virus wouldn't be able to live in a vampire's body, so that they wouldn't be affected by it. But there's also the possibility that HIV might seriously affect vampires, in some way or another (it wouldn't necessarily have to be lethal to vampires, but it could possibly weaken them and/or make them sick).



I couldn't find much information regarding aswang attacks, except one Google link ( http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/dav/2004/...ang.attack.html ). You don't have any other links, preferably in English, as I'm not fluent in Filipino? Anyway, personallyI wouldn't put too much emphasis on legends. There's been legends of undead, vampire-like beings all over the world throughout time, yet there's still no proof that such things are more than legendary creatures. This article offers a possible explanation to the emergence of the aswang: http://www.cebusmile.com/2007/10/01/hunting-the-aswang/

Sure, there is the possibility that vampires could spread HIV, by biting a person with HIV, carrying the virus (not necessarily experiencing any adverse effects) then bite a non HIV sufferer and infect that person. There is a rumour that HIV was developed by white people to get rid of black people...maybe it was designed to kill vampires!

If you rearrange the letters, you get IVH, which could possible mean Invented by Van Helsing. And we all know Van Helsing is a fearsome vampire killer

Seriously though, I've read about the theory of HIV being developed to kill black people. I think it's a very far-fetched theory. The most mundane and boring theory is probably the most likely one; black Africans with open sores got the HIV virus when handling dead monkeys (IIRC monkeys carry the HIV virus, or a variant of it, but it never develops into AIDS) or was bitten by a monkey, the virus might have mutated in the human body, and the virus was spread by sex etc., and that's how HIV originated.

Well the Vamps drink the blood, right? You can't get HIV by consuming something. Because whatever they drink, will go through their stomach. And I've read on many health sites, that HIV can't survive going through the stomach, and it dies off in the stomach, from all the acids and what-not. So unless these Vamps have a deep cut in their mouth or something, they won't get HIV by drinking blood.

Wannabe teens or anti social outcasts. Thats vampires.
Lycans. The body could not withstand.
Mental illness is a cause for people who believe they are.

Wow, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

That's interesting, actually. I though drinking (or ingesting) body fluids like blood or semen would be a potential risk for transferring the HIV virus. I couldn't find much info on whether ingesting blood would transfer HIV or not, I only found that babies could get HIV from their mothers via being breastfed milk. o you have any links to sites with info on the possibility of being infected with HIV via drinking blood?

Like I said, I read these things on many health sites, and one said you can not get HIV through oral s*x, unless you have some kind of cut in your mouth that would allow the fluids/blood to go through the cut and into the blood stream from there.
I also just asked a health educator, who said what I've read on those sites is true.

I'm not entirely certain about that. I'm not sure where I'd look for a vampire today, nor whether I'd actually be unlucky enough find one, but there definitely does seem to have been a considerable amount of documented vampire activity in Europe from around 1670 until circa 1760, including a veritable vampire plague in Central and Eastern Europe from 1720-1740.

Moreover, just as soon as the activity died down in Europe it started up again in New England!

I know something the moon zombies/Werewolves/and vampires are all working with the aleins to rule the univeres

Because they say so.

although im a huge vampire fan, i don't think any of these creatures exist for real.
well like Carcharoth said, there is no evidence so far. not even a small one or a fake one (ok there might be some fakes...) but generally, there is nothing solid to prove the existence of any of these mythical figures.
though, vampirism is a disease as so i heard. a medieval disease that turns the blood into sticky and not fluid as it was in original shape and that's causing the infected to be thirsty..NOT FOR BLOOD..just thirsty. Now i don't know this for sure, but i heard it several times.

Well i agree with that. But the thing is there are stories spanning centuries , Some very convincing.

i have had 3 dreams about vampires in a modern world controlled by them and were humans are the minority. one were i become one, one were i begin to help the humans and one were god himself gives me a weapon to destroy them, for more information read my blog.

I wonder what they mean?

Were there coinciding tuberculosis epidemics at these times of "vampire" infestation?

I can assure you all that vampires and otherkin exist.
As for the blood, it is not the actual blood that is needed but it is the prana contained within it.

I agree...

While I personally do not believe they exist I cannot discount the possibility that perhaps subspecies of human may have evolved along side us although it is unlikely.

Vampires if they did exist would like not be able to turn into bats or mist etc it is also highly unlikely that religious items would work on them etc... physical immortality could be possible however as well as retractable fangs or other body part used to drain the life sustaining fluids from their prey. If any creature existed it would be this one or Bigfoot etc..

Werewolves are simply impossible just given the nature of such a creature... shape shifting is simply to far fetched.

Lochness has been proven not to exist after numerous scientific studies performed on the loch... 1: The water is to toxic as it is full of alkaloids which makes it impossible for most species of marine life to exist. 2: Not enough food, aside from small fish, very little plant life etc there is simply not enough food to sustain a creature of that size.

Oooh, so its the prana needed. Thank you for clearing that up for me.

My GOD. Its right about now that I give this thread up, considering you've obviously never read anything about logical explanations for the folklore. There are entire books about the myth and its possible tuberculosis origins! A fool could think it through and begin to understand the implications, no offense. I guess some people are too foolish. Hmm... EtuMalku, what was tuberculosis called before it was discovered as a disease and classified? I do believe it was called consumption! And what would these men have meant by consumption? Perhaps it hints to victims slowly losing their vitality. Do you know the atrocious things these ignorant people did to their loved ones bodies? Humans are so savage when they're stupid. Just do a little research and maybe my quoted statement will make sense to you.

By the way, how can you assure me of their existence? I'd really love to know. Post it here, PM me, whatever. I have to know.

When I was nine I believed anything - Santa, for example.

Do you still believe in Santa?

I'm not prepared as you are to believe something that has absolutely nothing but a few old horror stories behind it. Sorry.

I believe in Santa. Wasn't he was a man who lived in Scandinavian a couple hundred years ago and gave presents that he made himself to the children of the village where he lived ? He did this because the village was poor and the children didn't have much. His giving presents anonymously gradually became the legend that it is today. Much in the same way that I think vampires and werewolves have had their original origins changed through story-telling through the years to what they are believed to be today.

Shame there's no real Santa now... not such a shame there's no real vampires now !! LOL

Min xx

Not sure I was directly answering your posts or inquiries. But in any case I am familiar with Montague Summers treatise on the folk lore of vampires. Vampires have nothing to do illness and disease, if anything I guess their damaged Chakra centers might classify as something in that category.

I said the disease is the cause for the myth, or at least a primary cause. You know, the ignorant people of the time had to come up with something to explain all happenings. That's where most BS comes from: People needing to rationalize. Somehow the rationalizations always turn out to be the most irrational loads of BS ever. Read up on the TB links to the vampirism myth. It's very interesting.

I obviously love vampires, the concept, the literature. I am just rational enough, in my opinion, to believe that they do not exist. I suppose there is a possibility, but I highly doubt it. If any of you believers can find a vampire for me, march him (or fly him ) on over to Missouri and have him introduce himself as proof to me, I'll believe. He has to be damned good looking, though. Traditionally they can be fairly hideous, but I don't know how they could survive if they didn't look human. It's just not logical to not blend in. If he's hideous, don't send him over. Anyway, find me a good looking male specimen and I'll believe along side all of you believers.

Do people who FEEL they need to drink blood to feel better exist? Absolutely.

Do people who feel a spiritual connection of some sort to animals exist? Absolutely.

Do the movie/hollywood versions of Vampires and Werewolves exist? Nope.

short answer no.
long answer no, but i can see where legends started.
the human body is physically incapable of that kind of trasformation (fully transforming into a wolf-thing) let alone transforming back.
although, there is a condition which makes hair grow all over your body except the palms of your hands and the bottom of your feet and, like you said, a disease which makes you think you are some form of animal. If someone was born with these 2 conditions (just an idea, dunno if it could actually happen) then it's easy to see where the legends started, and the 'transformation at a full moon' and 'if you get bit you turn into one' etc, will have just been added over time.
Thats how most legends begin, most of them have a small grain of truth to them.
That's just my opinion anyway