i was wondering if there is a topic started about obe experiences and those who don't believe or understand it, if people have gone to explore areas of this world that is under debate now. like Roswell for example lol, if anyone went to see for them self or if those areas are protected even in the astral plane? if snooping around just for the sake of checking something out is possible. other sites that i have found said that if you start to feel negative then you will attract negative or mischievous spirits.

If you are able to Astral Project in the first place, the whole thing regarding visiting certain places of your choice, would be if you can even get there. It would not always be possible to go exactly where you wish, sometimes it could appear as if you are wading through treacle.

Some people think it is like walking around in real life, it's just that in the case of astral projection, you are invisible to others and able to go where you wish. For some that may be so, however, for a lot of people, that is not the case. Things can appear totally different in the astral from colours to the way items appear, it is definitely not cut and dried. I dare say, everybody's experience is totally different too.

Regarding mischievious spirits, fear is the main factor here. If you feel fear, it comes across as negative and negativity could attract something that you would rather not have around you.

The whole thing in astral travel is that it all depends upon your state of mind at the time you are doing it, if you are at peace and relaxed you should be okay, however if you are overly tired and slightly uptight, you may find a totally different set of experiences will ensue.

so people aren't willing to discuss where they have been or their experiences?

Having an oobe is easier than actually going some place in this material world.

The astral plane is a creation of our imagination. Our spiritual imagination that is. We create our surroundingts by thought.
For example; I read alot of posts reguarding how people are stuck in thier body and have a hard time getting out. It isn't that they are stuck in thier body, it is that they believe they are.
Beliefe is the power. The power comes from the spirit/mind.

I can't tell you how many times I told myself I was going to go to a certain persons house. I never made any of the visits. This is because our imaginations are completely set free in the astral plane. Its like a wave of; "OMG I have so much I can do." Then before you know it something happens that changes your mind and you end up doing something you never imagined. If that isn't enough, the time goes so fast. By the time you start to enjoy the experience, you are snapped back into your body and you wake up.

imo there are multiple planes, of thought or dimensions, our plane and every thing higher. i find that getting into the dream plane is the easiest, but that may be because it's so close to our plane or that we go to sleep so soon even if we try to obe.

It can happen that whilst having an OOBE, your body will go unconscious and into sleep. You would then find yourself drifting into a dream world, it would be highly likely that it would be a very vivid dream and most probably lucid.

i found that a dream, astral and this plane are on the same or close to the same frequency, being lucid happens while dreaming, as it has for me. i'm surprised that people don't talk about their own experiences and thoughts.

Okay here is one of mine.

One of our computers in our bedroom. I was tired and went to bed, my husband was on the computer playing on a poker site.

I laid down and ended up having an OOBE, I remember standing by the side of him watching the computer screen, he of course, could not see me. He then gets up to go and get a drink, I continue looking at the screen.

Now I don't know if you have ever seen an online poker tournament, but what happens is that there is about eight people sitting around a poker table (animated), however, the only cards you can see are your own. Whilst I was in this OOBE state, I could see ALL the cards, including one player who ended up with two 3s in his hand and a third 3 turned over on the flop.

I ended up going into some sort of dream state, which was completely different from an OOBE, waking up a couple of hours later.

When I awoke, I asked my hubby "did you get a drink a while back and did someone on the poker table end up with three 3s?"

The answer was that he could not say about the poker hand as he had gone out of the room to get himself a drink.

I know for a fact that it was not a dream, lucid or otherwise, I have had OOBEs, lucid dreams and normal dreams and all of them feel different from the other.

nice, you can have a lucid dream that you have an obe but the dream is so strong you think of it as a memory of something you did, obe seems to be thought of as doing and not dreaming, a higher awareness.

That's a good question, one I've asked in the past as well. The response I got then was "How did I know people hadn't explored those places but had been written off as 'crack-pots'". A valid reply I thought.

I have had a few OBE or AP experiences myself (when I was younger) although I was unaware of what they were at the time. While I felt a certain control over my ability to go places I also found it difficult to remove myself very far from where my body was. For the record I never encountered any 'negative or mischievous spirits' in any of my OBE experiences.

from what i have read, the negative or mischievous spirits only are drawn to that type of energy or behavior, so keeping in a peaceful and or helpful frame of mind shouldn't attract them. besides everything that i have ever found on the subject tells you that if anything scary (frame of mind) happens, then you return. i found that when you start to become excited you return or at least stop in place.

i have a lot of questions, i guess it would be better to figure it all out by just exploring but i like to find out what people think and learn more about it before hand. people always talk about how to and a few things they will or have encountered, but there is a lot of things they don't talk about. like mirrors, are they doorways to another dimension or will they just reflect like they do in this plane, can you see yourself or again are they just a doorway. how do we change frequencies or vibrations, do we just do it or is there some thought in it. i know that moving can be hard enough, just thinking about it makes it harder then just doing it. like if you were to get up, we really don't put much thought into it we just get up. these are the things that people that do know what's going on don't really talk about. like the basics or maybe they can't explain what they see. i am sure there is a lot out there that in this form we just can't understand or do justice to explain.

Yes, OOBE are "doing" and not dreaming, exactly what happened in one of my experiences as stated above. Lucid dreaming is different, you know you are dreaming but are able to control things, but you DO know you are in a dream.


Regarding mirrors, I have never looked into one whilst out of the body, I am not sure I would want to to be honest, mirrors give me the creeps in normal life anyway

Some people can see themselves, I have never looked around to see my body, I have seen parts of it, such as arms etc however, just as I do in real life.

I suspect our vibrations change just prior to having an OOBE, hence why the OOBE happens in the first place. Perhaps if you could change these vibrations to a higher rate at will, it will indeed induce an OOBE, so that you could do it whenever, and wherever you pleased. I highly suspect that to change the vibrations is a matter of willpower and visualisation. I do not consider it wise to just try it willy-nilly though, you could get more than you bargained for.

Let's say, there you were, out of your body, enjoying wandering about, doing whatever you were doing.

In the meantime, your physical body is suddenly approached by another entity. You will be dragged back quicker than you can object, the dragging back is a defence mechanism to protect you.

from what i have read, mirrors are doorways to other dimensions, something about how when someone dies they place a cloth over any mirror so the person (soul) doesn't get confused. mirrors have always freaked me out in a way lol, not that i'm afraid, just when i look in the mirror i see myself looking at myself wondering what i'm looking for. once in a lucid dream i saw myself and i turned away and popped back and woke up. i had an angry look on my face but i'm not sure why lol. the last time i was lucid and obe but i really felt calm, when i started to breath heavy i paused and relaxed, my breathing returned to normal and i explored some more. it was only a short trip, but an eye opener. mainly because i have started to meditate and the feeling to obe has increased. the last few times before i have prevented myself from leaving, moving a little at a time, baby steps. i have found being able to return is a lot easier than leaving. mainly because i'll fall asleep, most of the time i fall asleep about an hour after i hit the sheets and if i tell myself to get up at a certain time, most of the time i get up about 2-10 min around the time i picked. anyhow, rambling...

You're not rambling at all, you are stating your account

If whilst out of the body, for some reason you wished to return REALLY quickly, just think of your body and you will be there, instantaneously. Sometimes however, you don't wish to return just yet, but "accidentally" think of your body and then you are back to square one

Bloody frustrating to say the least

that's what i did, i was done exploring and thought of myself, pop i was back.