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Owlscrying
Hunter Orman is your typical 6 year old kid. But there is something that makes him stand out. His nickname is the “Deerslayer.” That's because this first grader has already taken 6 deer since last year. His biggest, a 140 pound doe.

We got him a .223 which is a small rifle, about as small of a rifle you can hunt with. He actually killed two deer with it, then he wanted to try the crossbow and it seemed to work better than the gun,” says dad Cayne Orman.

A young man of few words, Hunter does have some advice for his fellow hunters. "Be quiet, and practice." Which he does plenty of.

Hunter killed 5 deer last year with a special permit and one this season.
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m. Moe
laugh.gif Kinda cute, but it makes me wonder, is this legal? mellow.gif
Sleeping with Fishes
makes me wonder why people want to shoot animals?
swtp
QUOTE (Spanky_ @ Nov 14 2007, 04:06 PM) *
makes me wonder why people want to shoot animals?

I would think for the food and hides, and i,ve talked to a few people who donate a lot of the extra meat to food banks.
Sleeping with Fishes
Naaaa i bet that kid is just doing it for a laugh.
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Bear's Quest
You never know when you might need to for survival, so its good to practice and be prepared until then.
FairyJosie23
I understand hundreds of years ago teaching a kid how to hunt animals for food and clothing. It was a skill they needed to be able to feed themselves. But nowadays? Personally, I don't see the point of teaching a child how to kill, especially with a gun. IMO, there should be an age limit on when kids can learn how to hunt and use weapons. (I thought there was??.....)
kenshinx
pfff... kids are evil
Kevin A.
QUOTE (Spanky_ @ Nov 14 2007, 07:06 PM) *
makes me wonder why people want to shoot animals?


In this case because deer are tasty and healthy for you.....

QUOTE (FairyJosie23 @ Nov 14 2007, 07:24 PM) *
I understand hundreds of years ago teaching a kid how to hunt animals for food and clothing. It was a skill they needed to be able to feed themselves. But nowadays? Personally, I don't see the point of teaching a child how to kill, especially with a gun. IMO, there should be an age limit on when kids can learn how to hunt and use weapons. (I thought there was??.....)


Who says this child will not need to feed himself years from now? What if this child becomes lost in the woods and needs to survive until someone finds him? You would deny him the skills and means to survive during an emergency or later in life? Childhood is the best time to learn new skills because of the way we can learn so quickly.

Now think of this. What if I teach this child how to make fire using only what he can find in the woods? Is this child going to burn down houses just because he has a newly learned skill?

You see there is a huge difference between learning/practicing a skill is not the same as using aspects of that skill to kill people. That really is what you are getting at. Teaching this child to stalk and track his prey, use a firearm and be proficient at all of it is not the same as his loading a gun and walking into his classroom. Totally different. Just because both require basic knowledge of firearms it does not mean they are one in the same.

We teach children how to hammer nails at an early age, most likely from paying attention to dad and buying them their own my little tool kit. Why is it children are not going around bludgeoning each other to death with hammers? We teach children to swing a baseball bat yet again no bludgeoning. Teach them to throw things yet not too many windows are broken on purpose are they?

Just because we teach children to use a tool does not mean they are automatically going to use said tool for harming others. Often its the fear of firearms that keeps people from seeing things like this.

Now there are age limits on owning purchasing firearms. Thats it. Most likely the parents bought the rifle and allow him to use it. For all intensive purposes it is "his" while legally it is the parents.

I see now problem with this or him being able to take 6 deer in one season as long as the meat does not go to waste. Hell with the price of beef going up and up I am seriously considering taking to the woods here in a few weeks and bringing home some meat. Its been years on end since Ive hunted but I might be taking my tactical with scary features shotgun out and bringing home some fine cuts of meat.....

Kevin A.
Jaguat
Isn't this how serial killers start? What did he kill before he had a shooter's permit?
Ravinar
QUOTE (Jaguat @ Nov 15 2007, 09:33 AM) *
Isn't this how serial killers start? What did he kill before he had a shooter's permit?



that is the most stupid and paranoid thing i have herd on this forum in a while. i don't like hunting myself but i respect peoples right to practice it. as long as there not over hunting or hunting for sport. just because he is hunting at a young age doesn't mean he will grow up to be a serial killer. rolleyes.gif if any thing i would hope it will give him a good respect for nature.
Papaver
The younger you can get somebody to know how to operate and respect a gun the better.

Gun handling teaches responsibility and respect.

This kid isn't going to be one of the hundreds who accidently shoot themselves or a friend when they find their parents home defence gun.

Pandora2173
QUOTE (Jaguat @ Nov 15 2007, 03:33 AM) *
Isn't this how serial killers start? What did he kill before he had a shooter's permit?


Wow. Did you really say that? No one really knows how a serial killer starts. It's usually a combination of nature and nurture. But, simply being a hunter isn't usually one of the determining factors.

I could never be a hunter. I can't stand to even watch those terrible hunting expeditions they show on TV. However, my uncles, my brother in law and all three of my nephews are hunters and I do eat the meat that they share with the family. I feel as long as they aren't trophy hunting or hunting out of season it's not a problem. I think trophy hunting is disgusting and very sad. The hunters in my family feel the same way. My brother in law taught my nephews that they are to never kill something unless they plan on eating it. He told them that if he ever caught them killing something just for the sake of killing it that they would skin it and eat it for dinner. I actually had a friend of mine who's dad made her brother eat a crow one time because he caught him shooting it with his BB gun. Her brother never did that again and even told his little brother, "Hey, don't shoot at any animals out there or daddy will make you eat it for dinner." LESSON LEARNED.

As far as how young this child is, hopefully his dad is teaching him safety. I know my brother in law bought a gun for my nephew on his first birthday. I know that sounds silly, but he and my sister tried for five years before they had him. They thought they'd never have children. So, he just couldn't wait. My nephew didn't actually go hunting until he was like 11, I think.
nosaM
Hellllluva hunter, hes 6 and hes shot more deer than i have in about 10 years blink.gif
Purplos
I'm always baffled by people who think it okay to eat chemical laden meat from factory farms and completely inhumane slaughterhouses, but start yelling when someone shoots a wild deer. (Of course, if the people here are vegetarians, you are excused from my rant wink2.gif )

I can't help thinking that 6 is a little young... just seems off, but I think a boy heading off into the woods to hunt with Dad is great. (As long as they use the meat, etc. of course).

Heck, he's already learning "be quiet, and practice," two very important things to teach a child.

Wishing I had me a hunting man wink2.gif
my_psychosis
QUOTE (Pandora2173 @ Nov 15 2007, 07:04 AM) *
Wow. Did you really say that? No one really knows how a serial killer starts. It's usually a combination of nature and nurture. But, simply being a hunter isn't usually one of the determining factors.

I could never be a hunter. I can't stand to even watch those terrible hunting expeditions they show on TV. However, my uncles, my brother in law and all three of my nephews are hunters and I do eat the meat that they share with the family. I feel as long as they aren't trophy hunting or hunting out of season it's not a problem. I think trophy hunting is disgusting and very sad. The hunters in my family feel the same way. My brother in law taught my nephews that they are to never kill something unless they plan on eating it. He told them that if he ever caught them killing something just for the sake of killing it that they would skin it and eat it for dinner. I actually had a friend of mine who's dad made her brother eat a crow one time because he caught him shooting it with his BB gun. Her brother never did that again and even told his little brother, "Hey, don't shoot at any animals out there or daddy will make you eat it for dinner." LESSON LEARNED.

As far as how young this child is, hopefully his dad is teaching him safety. I know my brother in law bought a gun for my nephew on his first birthday. I know that sounds silly, but he and my sister tried for five years before they had him. They thought they'd never have children. So, he just couldn't wait. My nephew didn't actually go hunting until he was like 11, I think.


First I believe what Jaguat meant was they say a lot of serial killers did kill and torture animals as children then moved on to people as they got older. How ever I don't believe that is the situation here.


I love animals and like you could never kill one myself. I also like meat though so I have no problem eating deer, pheasant etc, as long as I NEVER saw it alive first.
I also agree trophy hunting sucks. I have a brother in law who would hunt out of season, and who would kill coyotes just to kill them then leave the bodies where they died. I found out about it one day when he decided to bring one of the dead coyotes home for some reason. I turned his a$$ in. ( Believe me he deserved it, he was worse than just a sick animal killer)
Your bother in law how ever sounds cool, so does your friends dad. ( eat a crow gross) original.gif
FairyJosie23
QUOTE (Kevin A. @ Nov 14 2007, 05:37 PM) *
Who says this child will not need to feed himself years from now? What if this child becomes lost in the woods and needs to survive until someone finds him? You would deny him the skills and means to survive during an emergency or later in life? Childhood is the best time to learn new skills because of the way we can learn so quickly.

Now think of this. What if I teach this child how to make fire using only what he can find in the woods? Is this child going to burn down houses just because he has a newly learned skill?

You see there is a huge difference between learning/practicing a skill is not the same as using aspects of that skill to kill people. That really is what you are getting at. Teaching this child to stalk and track his prey, use a firearm and be proficient at all of it is not the same as his loading a gun and walking into his classroom. Totally different. Just because both require basic knowledge of firearms it does not mean they are one in the same.

We teach children how to hammer nails at an early age, most likely from paying attention to dad and buying them their own my little tool kit. Why is it children are not going around bludgeoning each other to death with hammers? We teach children to swing a baseball bat yet again no bludgeoning. Teach them to throw things yet not too many windows are broken on purpose are they?

Just because we teach children to use a tool does not mean they are automatically going to use said tool for harming others. Often its the fear of firearms that keeps people from seeing things like this.

Now there are age limits on owning purchasing firearms. Thats it. Most likely the parents bought the rifle and allow him to use it. For all intensive purposes it is "his" while legally it is the parents.

I see now problem with this or him being able to take 6 deer in one season as long as the meat does not go to waste. Hell with the price of beef going up and up I am seriously considering taking to the woods here in a few weeks and bringing home some meat. Its been years on end since Ive hunted but I might be taking my tactical with scary features shotgun out and bringing home some fine cuts of meat.....

Kevin A.

I understand what you are saying, and you do make some good points. It's just that personally, it bothers me that a child that young is being taught how to kill effectively. I would hope they're being responsible and teaching him safety and what's not ok to shoot, and it sounds like they are; but it still bothers me. I have nothing against hunting for food, but I personally could never kill a living thing. It would bother me too much. If my kids wanted to learn, though, I would be ok with it, but not until they're older, maybe 11 or 12. But again, that's my personal opinion.
Jaguat
Exactly. And to those who criticized my comment, listen up. I was taught to shoot a rifle (smaller caliber though!) when I was 8. And I wasn't allowed to shoot any animals until I was 12, And I started off with rabbits. Letting a child start with 100 pound plus animals at age 6 is a little young. I'm not being paranoid, but to teach a child respect for firearms, take him first to a shooting gallery, or set one up for him first. That's what my folks did. And it was out in the bush, far away from civilization.
As for the serial killer comment, ok that may have been a bit harsh. But a lot of serial killers did start by killing animals when they were very young.
Mabon
The point that is missed in the comment is that serial killers tortured animals to death not hunted and killed them, big difference. Six may sound very young to be out hunting animals but where I am from it's not really. It's a tradition that is passed down from parent to child, both genders are taught to handle fire arms 'round here.

Torturing an animal isn't the same thing as hunting. and as Pandora says there is nature and nurture in the makeup of a serial killer as well as some signs, torturing animals is just one of them. But they do it because they feel powerful doing it. They like watching it suffer and know that they can kill it or not, they are playing God.

This little boy is learning skills that do make him feel powerful but in a completely different way. He is learning to put food on the table, be silent in the woods as well as efficiency of aim. None of the hunters that I know wanted the game to suffer. See there is a difference. Again hunting for food and/or hides isn't evil if you use what you shoot/take down.

Regards,
Mabon.
Jaguat
QUOTE (Mabon @ Nov 16 2007, 10:59 PM) *
The point that is missed in the comment is that serial killers tortured animals to death not hunted and killed them, big difference. Six may sound very young to be out hunting animals but where I am from it's not really. It's a tradition that is passed down from parent to child, both genders are taught to handle fire arms 'round here.

Torturing an animal isn't the same thing as hunting. and as Pandora says there is nature and nurture in the makeup of a serial killer as well as some signs, torturing animals is just one of them. But they do it because they feel powerful doing it. They like watching it suffer and know that they can kill it or not, they are playing God.

This little boy is learning skills that do make him feel powerful but in a completely different way. He is learning to put food on the table, be silent in the woods as well as efficiency of aim. None of the hunters that I know wanted the game to suffer. See there is a difference. Again hunting for food and/or hides isn't evil if you use what you shoot/take down.

Regards,
Mabon.


Ok, fair enough. I may have been a little hasty with the serial killer call. There have just been too many shootings lately in schools and i may be a little paranoid about letting a kid shoot 100 pound plus animals. I do understand about the meat part ( I do love venison!) though.
wolfieboy
QUOTE (Jaguat @ Nov 15 2007, 03:33 AM) *
Isn't this how serial killers start? What did he kill before he had a shooter's permit?




this a joke right, I mean come on get a clue. guns and killing does not make a serial killer. foolish comments might though. makes me think, there really is no reason to take seriously, what others think and say if they dont understand a thing they have never been a part of.
Jaguat
QUOTE (wolfieboy @ Nov 17 2007, 06:30 PM) *
this a joke right, I mean come on get a clue. guns and killing does not make a serial killer. foolish comments might though. makes me think, there really is no reason to take seriously, what others think and say if they dont understand a thing they have never been a part of.


You so obviously didn't read the rest of my posts on this subject, did you? Considering you posted after me............to use your words, get a clue.......
Have you ever used a rifle? Do you know about serial killers? You are the one who obviously does no research, but thinks he is qualified to ridicule those who have. Read the rest before picking on one post, wolfieboy.....sheeesh! notworthy.gif gunsmilie.gif rolleyes.gif
mlw369
My first question is to Owlscrying. Why did you pick this story to post for people to reply to then never comment yourself? My second question is why people take something good and turn it into something bad. Next I want to thank some of you for defending Hunter in a very innocent story twisted into some cazy blog session.
I wonder if the same people that don't believe in hunting feel the same way about fishing? Because he loves to fish also. And some of you just about got it right. It all stems from a father spending lots of quality time with his son. Which I find ironic some of you jump to serial killers when I doubt many serial killers had their a dad to take them fishing and hunting three or for times a week.
But then we have the many other things that the story didn't say; like he plays Basketball, loves animals like no other kid you have ever met. He has had more pets than any child I know. And I bet he knows more about animals, bugs, wildlife, and outdoors in general, than anyone that has posted on this story. "Inculding me" LOL wink2.gif The kid is just pretty smart for his age. It seems as though since he is not the norm "cartoon glued to the tube 24/7" he may be a up and coming serial killer. But instead his mother and father have spent time with him to make sure he had a different raising. He would much rather watch MythBusters, Dirtyjobs, or National Geographic Channel. I think some of it is jealousness that they didn't have time with their parents so lets bash someone who is. Sorry I am ranting now. mad.gif As if you cant tell by now I know Hunter and can assure you he's no man killer yet, Oh I got an idea lets change the direction of this and say we are training him to be a snipper for the marines to fight for our country. Or to use this knowledge to protect a president someday, dangit I'm ranting again. I'm done. wacko.gif OK so now I can't wait to hear what kind of stuff gets said now. LOL I never even heard of this site till I googled Hunters name because friends and family were excited he was on the news. Now his mom isn't so happy we googled. For the most part I think people understood the story for what it was. And to answer one last question that was asked. It is legal, he is supervised. You don't have to get a hunters ED card till you are fourteen years old. Also wanted to point out that his family has a privately owned farm where the game and fish commission give them extra doe tags to keep control of the population.




QUOTE (Owlscrying @ Nov 14 2007, 05:16 PM) *
Hunter Orman is your typical 6 year old kid. But there is something that makes him stand out. His nickname is the “Deerslayer.” That's because this first grader has already taken 6 deer since last year. His biggest, a 140 pound doe.

We got him a .223 which is a small rifle, about as small of a rifle you can hunt with. He actually killed two deer with it, then he wanted to try the crossbow and it seemed to work better than the gun,” says dad Cayne Orman.

A young man of few words, Hunter does have some advice for his fellow hunters. "Be quiet, and practice." Which he does plenty of.

Hunter killed 5 deer last year with a special permit and one this season.
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Jaguat
QUOTE (mlw369 @ Nov 26 2007, 07:17 PM) *
My first question is to Owlscrying. Why did you pick this story to post for people to reply to then never comment yourself? My second question is why people take something good and turn it into something bad. Next I want to thank some of you for defending Hunter in a very innocent story twisted into some cazy blog session.
I wonder if the same people that don't believe in hunting feel the same way about fishing? Because he loves to fish also. And some of you just about got it right. It all stems from a father spending lots of quality time with his son. Which I find ironic some of you jump to serial killers when I doubt many serial killers had their a dad to take them fishing and hunting three or for times a week.
But then we have the many other things that the story didn't say; like he plays Basketball, loves animals like no other kid you have ever met. He has had more pets than any child I know. And I bet he knows more about animals, bugs, wildlife, and outdoors in general, than anyone that has posted on this story. "Inculding me" LOL wink2.gif The kid is just pretty smart for his age. It seems as though since he is not the norm "cartoon glued to the tube 24/7" he may be a up and coming serial killer. But instead his mother and father have spent time with him to make sure he had a different raising. He would much rather watch MythBusters, Dirtyjobs, or National Geographic Channel. I think some of it is jealousness that they didn't have time with their parents so lets bash someone who is. Sorry I am ranting now. mad.gif As if you cant tell by now I know Hunter and can assure you he's no man killer yet, Oh I got an idea lets change the direction of this and say we are training him to be a snipper for the marines to fight for our country. Or to use this knowledge to protect a president someday, dangit I'm ranting again. I'm done. wacko.gif OK so now I can't wait to hear what kind of stuff gets said now. LOL I never even heard of this site till I googled Hunters name because friends and family were excited he was on the news. Now his mom isn't so happy we googled. For the most part I think people understood the story for what it was. And to answer one last question that was asked. It is legal, he is supervised. You don't have to get a hunters ED card till you are fourteen years old. Also wanted to point out that his family has a privately owned farm where the game and fish commission give them extra doe tags to keep control of the population.

I love to do both, but I was somewhat older. Does he realize the difference between life and death yet?
Thank you for explaining this to us much more thoroughly than it was before. Now we are able to get a handle on what is REALLY going on, thanks again.
mlw369
This is Hunter Orman's mother. Wow I could almost see the jaws drop. Those of you who have children can probably imagine how some of these messages made me feel. I understand freedom of speach. I support it. Thats why I am now going to sAY MY PIECE. From the time Hunter could talk he has been in love with animals. He is my little walking Animal Encyclopedia or Animal Planet. He knows animals frontward to backward. where they live what they eat whatever u want to know he will tell you. Instead of following most of society and letting the tv babysit our child his father and I have kept him outside and fasinated by the beauty of nature. Our family are Hunters. Hunter will be the first to explain to you that it is necesary to hunt to weed out disease and control the population. to answer most of you Hunter insist that most of the meet be processed and donated to poor familys in the town where we live. We also eat it. My child has the kindest heart you will ever come across. In the long run these hobbies and values we have taught him will be what keeps him out of trouble later in life. It gives him something to love to do. it gives him something to help him relax. It gives him confidence in himself. This media attention hasnt even fazed him he just want his bow in his hand or fishn poll. Every thing Hunter does is legal and fair. As my friend stated in his message ( i used his screen name and account so the other message is his ). Thank you for taking the time to here my side and please conider with future blogs about kids they all have mothers. they are also very young and dont have a voice of there own to argue their point.
Jaguat
QUOTE (mlw369 @ Nov 26 2007, 07:48 PM) *
This is Hunter Orman's mother. Wow I could almost see the jaws drop. Those of you who have children can probably imagine how some of these messages made me feel. I understand freedom of speach. I support it. Thats why I am now going to sAY MY PIECE. From the time Hunter could talk he has been in love with animals. He is my little walking Animal Encyclopedia or Animal Planet. He knows animals frontward to backward. where they live what they eat whatever u want to know he will tell you. Instead of following most of society and letting the tv babysit our child his father and I have kept him outside and fasinated by the beauty of nature. Our family are Hunters. Hunter will be the first to explain to you that it is necesary to hunt to weed out disease and control the population. to answer most of you Hunter insist that most of the meet be processed and donated to poor familys in the town where we live. We also eat it. My child has the kindest heart you will ever come across. In the long run these hobbies and values we have taught him will be what keeps him out of trouble later in life. It gives him something to love to do. it gives him something to help him relax. It gives him confidence in himself. This media attention hasnt even fazed him he just want his bow in his hand or fishn poll. Every thing Hunter does is legal and fair. As my friend stated in his message ( i used his screen name and account so the other message is his ). Thank you for taking the time to here my side and please conider with future blogs about kids they all have mothers. they are also very young and dont have a voice of there own to argue their point.

Cool. Way to go ma! I rest my case. Change the subject for the protection of the child and the family.
Pandora2173
QUOTE (mlw369 @ Nov 26 2007, 03:48 AM) *
This is Hunter Orman's mother. Wow I could almost see the jaws drop. Those of you who have children can probably imagine how some of these messages made me feel. I understand freedom of speach. I support it. Thats why I am now going to sAY MY PIECE. From the time Hunter could talk he has been in love with animals. He is my little walking Animal Encyclopedia or Animal Planet. He knows animals frontward to backward. where they live what they eat whatever u want to know he will tell you. Instead of following most of society and letting the tv babysit our child his father and I have kept him outside and fasinated by the beauty of nature. Our family are Hunters. Hunter will be the first to explain to you that it is necesary to hunt to weed out disease and control the population. to answer most of you Hunter insist that most of the meet be processed and donated to poor familys in the town where we live. We also eat it. My child has the kindest heart you will ever come across. In the long run these hobbies and values we have taught him will be what keeps him out of trouble later in life. It gives him something to love to do. it gives him something to help him relax. It gives him confidence in himself. This media attention hasnt even fazed him he just want his bow in his hand or fishn poll. Every thing Hunter does is legal and fair. As my friend stated in his message ( i used his screen name and account so the other message is his ). Thank you for taking the time to here my side and please conider with future blogs about kids they all have mothers. they are also very young and dont have a voice of there own to argue their point.


Thanks, Mama Hunter! Sounds like your little man has big heart. Send some of that venison my way! thumbsup.gif
BiffSplitkins
QUOTE (Spanky_ @ Nov 14 2007, 07:06 PM) *
makes me wonder why people want to shoot animals?


As far as deer go - It helps to keep the population down. Many deer starve a slow and painful death during the winter months here in NY state.

How many people do you know that have hit a deer with their car? - I know many many many.

Although I do question whether hunting drives the deer out of the woods an onto highyways. I think moreso it is man invading their natural habitat with all of these new housing develpments that are sprouting up everywhere.

My question is why does a 6 year old want to shoot animals? I was too busy playing with my legos and Tonkas at that age.



goalienan
QUOTE (mlw369 @ Nov 26 2007, 08:48 AM) *
This is Hunter Orman's mother. Wow I could almost see the jaws drop. Those of you who have children can probably imagine how some of these messages made me feel. I understand freedom of speach. I support it. Thats why I am now going to sAY MY PIECE. From the time Hunter could talk he has been in love with animals. He is my little walking Animal Encyclopedia or Animal Planet. He knows animals frontward to backward. where they live what they eat whatever u want to know he will tell you. Instead of following most of society and letting the tv babysit our child his father and I have kept him outside and fasinated by the beauty of nature. Our family are Hunters. Hunter will be the first to explain to you that it is necesary to hunt to weed out disease and control the population. to answer most of you Hunter insist that most of the meet be processed and donated to poor familys in the town where we live. We also eat it. My child has the kindest heart you will ever come across. In the long run these hobbies and values we have taught him will be what keeps him out of trouble later in life. It gives him something to love to do. it gives him something to help him relax. It gives him confidence in himself. This media attention hasnt even fazed him he just want his bow in his hand or fishn poll. Every thing Hunter does is legal and fair. As my friend stated in his message ( i used his screen name and account so the other message is his ). Thank you for taking the time to here my side and please conider with future blogs about kids they all have mothers. they are also very young and dont have a voice of there own to argue their point.


Well Hunters Mom, thanks so much for clearing this up....We read too much on these boards about young children whose lives are totally messed up, and getting in trouble...It's refreshing to read about Hunter being taught values and morals...He sounds like a great kid, and I know you and your family are very proud of him..(not just for bagging the 6 deer) thumbsup.gif
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