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DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS
Okay, I remember one day my friend was telling me that if you see an owl around your house/neighborhood that it means bad luck or something bad will happen to the baby and or family. He told me that when he was born, an owl had stayed around his house for about a week. He told me his parents finally got it to leave their property by shooting at it. They didn't kill it, but it never came back after that. Of course, this is all what his parents told him.

Anyways, I didn't think much of it. . . but honestly, like a week later my neighbors had recently had a newborn. Maybe about 2-3 days after they left the hospital and were able to stay at their own house, I walked outside to tell my dog to come inside the house. When I opened the door to the backyard, I saw an owl perched right on one of the branches to a tree in my backyard. It saw me and stared at me with its eyes. It didn't fly away, though, . . . just remained sitting there. I was only surprised because I live in the city and I had never seen an owl just sitting around ANYWHERE. Like before, I didn't think too much of it, so I just went back inside the house. Then about a couple hours later the story my friend told me popped in my head. I got kinda freaked out but very interested at the same time. I went back to go see if it was still there, but of course it wasn't.

Anyways, sorry for babbling so much but has anyone else heard about this myth or something similar to this?
kenshinx
a bit confuse with your story..
when owls appear on your house, you'll get baby ? or the owls appear after a baby born ?
is your friend and neighbour baby have something weird happen with them ?

owls are common in my town, in my backyard there's a LOT of owls nest. they not afraid of human

sorry,i never heard myth about owl+baby
well, it should be stork not owl who have myth with babies!


Starscream
sure it could just be from a ancient legend from natives

they would move from an area if they heard an owl

cause it meant that the area may have many rodents

or snakes that could harm the babies when they sleep
avs76
QUOTE (DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS @ Nov 16 2007, 03:42 PM) *
Okay, I remember one day my friend was telling me that if you see an owl around your house/neighborhood that it means bad luck or something bad will happen to the baby and or family. He told me that when he was born, an owl had stayed around his house for about a week. He told me his parents finally got it to leave their property by shooting at it. They didn't kill it, but it never came back after that. Of course, this is all what his parents told him.

Anyways, I didn't think much of it. . . but honestly, like a week later my neighbors had recently had a newborn. Maybe about 2-3 days after they left the hospital and were able to stay at their own house, I walked outside to tell my dog to come inside the house. When I opened the door to the backyard, I saw an owl perched right on one of the branches to a tree in my backyard. It saw me and stared at me with its eyes. It didn't fly away, though, . . . just remained sitting there. I was only surprised because I live in the city and I had never seen an owl just sitting around ANYWHERE. Like before, I didn't think too much of it, so I just went back inside the house. Then about a couple hours later the story my friend told me popped in my head. I got kinda freaked out but very interested at the same time. I went back to go see if it was still there, but of course it wasn't.

Anyways, sorry for babbling so much but has anyone else heard about this myth or something similar to this?

You only told half the story man. What happened to your neighbours' baby?

EDIT: corrected spelling error
NatalieK
Was the baby's name Harry Potter?
draconic chronicler
QUOTE (DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS @ Nov 15 2007, 10:42 PM) *
Okay, I remember one day my friend was telling me that if you see an owl around your house/neighborhood that it means bad luck or something bad will happen to the baby and or family. He told me that when he was born, an owl had stayed around his house for about a week. He told me his parents finally got it to leave their property by shooting at it. They didn't kill it, but it never came back after that. Of course, this is all what his parents told him.

Anyways, I didn't think much of it. . . but honestly, like a week later my neighbors had recently had a newborn. Maybe about 2-3 days after they left the hospital and were able to stay at their own house, I walked outside to tell my dog to come inside the house. When I opened the door to the backyard, I saw an owl perched right on one of the branches to a tree in my backyard. It saw me and stared at me with its eyes. It didn't fly away, though, . . . just remained sitting there. I was only surprised because I live in the city and I had never seen an owl just sitting around ANYWHERE. Like before, I didn't think too much of it, so I just went back inside the house. Then about a couple hours later the story my friend told me popped in my head. I got kinda freaked out but very interested at the same time. I went back to go see if it was still there, but of course it wasn't.

Anyways, sorry for babbling so much but has anyone else heard about this myth or something similar to this?


Yes, this is connected to a female owl-like demon called Lillith in Judaism. She was originally Adam's first wife, but apparently left in a huff when Adam refused to let her be "on top", in sexual encounters. For revenge against Adam she would cause the deaths of male Jewish babies if not protected by a magic amulet. Apparently she could disguiese herself as a real owl, and idols of her have both Owl and woman features. You probably didn't hear about this in Sundy School. I discovered this in my book research, t because Lillith is probably the "wind dragon" whose wing is broken by the Sumerian "Adam" from which the Biblical Eden story is based.
avs76
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Nov 17 2007, 12:17 AM) *
Yes, this is connected to a female owl-like demon called Lillith in Judaism. She was originally Adam's first wife, but apparently left in a huff when Adam refused to let her be "on top", in sexual encounters. For revenge against Adam she would cause the deaths of male Jewish babies if not protected by a magic amulet. Apparently she could disguiese herself as a real owl, and idols of her have both Owl and woman features. You probably didn't hear about this in Sundy School. I discovered this in my book research, t because Lillith is probably the "wind dragon" whose wing is broken by the Sumerian "Adam" from which the Biblical Eden story is based.

Cool post. I have heard of Lilith, but most Christians haven't (or don't want to know about it as it upsets their belief system and causes doubt to creep in - can't have that now, can we). From what I have read of her (and yes, I have read sources other than the wiki link) she seems like a nasty peice of work, exhibiting many characteristics of a jealous ex-lover. I find it interesting, dc, that you mention her as being a dragon. Was she in dragon form while she was with Adam, or did she transform into this after she left Adam?

I also think the basis behind the naming of Lilith Fair is very apt.
Piney
Algonquians on the East Coast of the U.S. believe the owl to be a omen of death and a guardian spirit of witches. This was later adopted by some slaves in the Carolinas and Virginia who freely mixed Southern Algonquian culture with their own African beliefs.


Lapiche
~ MacDDT ~
QUOTE (draconic chronicler @ Nov 16 2007, 01:17 PM) *
Yes, this is connected to a female owl-like demon called Lillith in Judaism. She was originally Adam's first wife, but apparently left in a huff when Adam refused to let her be "on top", in sexual encounters. For revenge against Adam she would cause the deaths of male Jewish babies if not protected by a magic amulet. Apparently she could disguiese herself as a real owl, and idols of her have both Owl and woman features. You probably didn't hear about this in Sundy School. I discovered this in my book research, t because Lillith is probably the "wind dragon" whose wing is broken by the Sumerian "Adam" from which the Biblical Eden story is based.

Around that same time there was a Canaanite owl god named Molech I wonder if the Lillith story was made up to slander a competing religion?
draconic chronicler
QUOTE (avs76 @ Nov 16 2007, 06:48 PM) *
Cool post. I have heard of Lilith, but most Christians haven't (or don't want to know about it as it upsets their belief system and causes doubt to creep in - can't have that now, can we). From what I have read of her (and yes, I have read sources other than the wiki link) she seems like a nasty peice of work, exhibiting many characteristics of a jealous ex-lover. I find it interesting, dc, that you mention her as being a dragon. Was she in dragon form while she was with Adam, or did she transform into this after she left Adam?

I also think the basis behind the naming of Lilith Fair is very apt.


The dragon connection goes back to Sumeria where the Garden of Eden, Tower of Babel, Great Flood, etc are first mentioned. Abraham of the Bible came from Ur and these stories were part of his belief system. Like dragons in the orient and in the americas (and everyehere else, actually), ancient peoples in mesopotamia believed dragons brought rain, but when angry, might flood mankind. The "Great Dragon of the Earth", Enlil who would later cause the great flood attributed to Yahweh (some scholars say is the same diety), had a female consort, whose wing Adam (Apape) somehow breaks, preventing her to fly for a week, and therefore stopped the South wind. This would also be a motive for her anger and revenge on the "sons of Adam"..

So the question we must ask is, since the Hebrew Genesis contains all of the elements of the Sumerian stories, only somewhat jumbled, are these only distorted retellings by illiterate shepherds of stories written down on cunieform tablets 1000 years earlier? There is much Old Testament evidence to sugget that Yahweh was indeed on of the older Sumerian dragon gods, as my active thread on the spirituality religion and beliefs section explains. Not only causing the great flood, but described breathing fire, having wings, demanding sacrifices of children and the choicest animals, "dragon" assistants called seraphim, and ordering an idol to be made and worsipped in the form of a fiery, flying serpent.
capoeiranger
Cool, but I guess it was not well known in Southeastern Asia. Because there are alot of places here in my city that has an owl on the logo of the place, a bookstore, an internet cafe, even my high school logo was an owl.
avs76
The owl is often associated with wisdom - I think from memory this has to do with the Greek Goddess Athena, whose was wise and was associated with the owl. Maybe the owl myth suggests it is wise not to have children...many men would agree with me.
capoeiranger
^ grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif A modern look of the old wisdom grin2.gif grin2.gif grin2.gif
kenshinx
QUOTE (avs76 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:57 PM) *
The owl is often associated with wisdom - I think from memory this has to do with the Greek Goddess Athena, whose was wise and was associated with the owl. Maybe the owl myth suggests it is wise not to have children...many men would agree with me.


yea, the Wisdom of Homer J. huh.gif
draconic chronicler
QUOTE (avs76 @ Nov 17 2007, 11:57 AM) *
The owl is often associated with wisdom - I think from memory this has to do with the Greek Goddess Athena, whose was wise and was associated with the owl. Maybe the owl myth suggests it is wise not to have children...many men would agree with me.


The Lillith, owl demon legend is far, far older than Athena, and interestingly, even more so than an owl in the ancient Greek culture, kinds of special reptiles called Drakons were considered the wisest of creatures, and an enormous one is depicted at Athena's side in the gigantic idol of her in the Pathenon, but no owls. This hellenistic belief in the wisdom of drakons seems to have rubbed off on Jesus, when he implored his disciples to be "wise as serpents, but gentle as lambs. But then, Judaism itself had a long tradition with serpent-dragon dieties, incuding the highest heavenly creatures, the Seraphim, and ultimately, Yahweh Himself is probably identical to Yaw, a cannanite dragon God, and this seems to be confirmed by Yahweh's idol of a "fiery flying serpent" worshipped for centuries thereafter.
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