This is a topic blood has literally been spilled over, it is also endlessly debated amongst every scifi fan at some point in their lives as well.

Seeing as how I love both equally I will attempt to analyze who would win in certain battles amongst the 2 scifi favorites.

Ground Combat

It is quite clear to me after watching all the movies and TV series from both ST and SW who would win here.

First we have the armored up Storm Troopers along with Imperial Walkers the ATAT and ATST and then we have Starfleet not so armored and armed with Phasers etc.

Outcome: The Empire obliterates Starfleet within an hour and then sits down for lunch.

Space Combat

This is the realm in which most of these debates take place.

First we have the Enterprise E and then we have an Executer Class Star Destroyer.

Both ships technologies work on fundamentally different principles everything from power to weapons and shields etc.

Ships in Star Wars use laser technology more specifically on battleships turbo lasers are usually the turret of choice. Essentially they are amplified powerful laser beams which can mess another ship up easily if it's not protected. They use Tie Bombers to launch proton torpedoes and bombs etc...

Ships in Star Trek use phaser technology these replaced laser and plasma based weapons these are high intensity energy beams that can vary in strength depending on how much power you put into them etc. Quantum torpedoes fired by the Enterprise E draw their destructive power from zero point energy and can obliterate a Borg cube.

In regards to weapons while both ships would have powerful weapons the enterprise comes out on top here only since a Star Destroyer has no shields that can block the weapons which is not the case for the Enterprise who's shield can block lasers.

To be honest in this department after looking at how both shield and weapon systems work I feel that the original Enterprise not to mention the E could take out several Star Destroyers without sustaining hardly any damage at all.

It would play out like this they meet the Enterprise scans them fires phasers and takes out their shields and then fires a spread of torpedoes at their bridge ending a conflict relatively quickly.

Propulsion Technology

Warp vs. Hyper Drive

It is obvious that Ships in Star Wars can traverse a galaxy much more quickly then ships in Star Trek.

Star Wars clearly wins in this dept.

Planet Destroying Capabilities

For Star Wars we have the almighty Death Star which is a battle station the size of a small moon. This bad boy can fire a laser so powerful it can punch through a planet and cause it's core to explode.

For Star Trek we have first Genesis which is a missile sized device that can destroy all life on a planet and then restart a planet by matter manipulation etc. The grand daddy of them all in the Star Trek universe we have Trilithium based weaponry as seen in the movie Generations. Just one tiny missile with the stuff can cause the destruction of an entire star system within minutes by stopping the fusion within a star and causing it to implode.

For efficiency and sheer destructive capability of the weapons I give this round to Star Trek simply because in that universe they have the technology to wipe out entire star system with such a small device.

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So who wins? you decide.

Well if you really want to be evil in Star Trek you can extract a proto-universe from subspace let grow displacing our universe or any other universe you may come across and in a couple of years it should destroy the entire universe its displacing.

While the Federation is still using warp drive from where the series finished off there are other means to travel across the galaxy in Star Trek that are faster. Worm Holes, the Gates, Trans Warp, Quantum slip stream, asking Q for a ride, or some how combining time space and thought and simply think where you want to go.

You underestimate ground defenses of Star Trek if it is indeed true that Star Wars use laser technology then that can easily be defended by deflectors and simple shields and probably have little effect on strong metal like duranium or ablative armor. And I believe it was Picard that said laser weapons would run dry before they can do any real damage. Assuming the Star wars ground forces are trying to invade a well fortified area and not a place like Bajor.

And Star Trek has transporters they can do serious damage with that alone imagine the epic lolz by transporting a Quantum Torpedo to a Star Wars ships bridge, or stealing a ships hyper drive by transporting it off the vessel, or mass transporting the crew out in space. Thats assuming star wars ships shields cant block transporters

Star Trek also have cloaking technology, and we know how fun it is to stalk a ship then when they least expect it decloak and take a cheap and maybe fatal shot.

I can list a whole bunch of Star trek technology but it would be no point to it Star Wars never had any interest with revealing its technological aspects in the story, and beyond hyper drive and the Death Star SW tech is pathetic.

Wasnt there a post about this somewhere? Or was that Hans solo verse Kirk

Anywho Star trek wins

and i just wish there would be a lego star trek

Oh and to add to the argument Hyper drive and Warp drive are the same thing the only difference is hyper drive sounds cooler and I guess Star Wars did not want to limit how fast it can go.

I really don't care who wins, but it would be interesting to find out. I would think, that with all the varients of technology the two sides have, it would probably boil down to which side is the better strategist, playing to their own strengths as well as knowing/using the enemies weaknesses.

Actually they are different Warp involves space/time manipulation and hyperdrive requires you to blast into an alternate universe where our laws of physics don't apply.

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In my opinion Star Trek has the clear advantage in regards to weapons and shield technologies since species from our galaxy do not have midichlorians the force would be ineffective in predicting our actions as seen in the movies or influencing our actions making us unpredictable.

Much of the technology seen in Star Wars isn't really that much better then what we have now for example ion engines among other things.

Let's not forget about the Borg either this species could assimilate the entire Star Wars galaxy quite easily... since Borg drone shields adapt to all kinds of energy weapons they would become literally invincible against blasters and likely even lightsabres as they lead a campaign against the Empire.



They use shields in Star Wars and it is highly likely that they would block transporters since they are energy based. This being said they have not been designed to block exotic weapons like phasers and quantum torpedoes. It would be easy to just use phasers to take out the shield generators and fire a torpedo at the main bridge of a star destroyer.



While they do use lasers and ion based weaponry etc things like clone armies as well as massive and endless droid armies would overwhelm most opponents.



The Star Wars universe also has cloaking technology.

In general the Star Trek universe if far more technologically advance so much so it would take maybe one or two ships to take out a death star.

But in the SW universe, it only takes one Jedi.

Pfft. Star Trek deosn't have Jedi powers. Jedis rule all. That and I have never even watched Star Trek no do I have any intentions to.

Not in terms of who would win, but in terms of which is the most enteraining..(Movies/TV series/This does not take into account canon/extented universe/or novels)

Stargate>StarWars>StarTrek

^SqueakyGate more entertaining

Jedi powers whatever! There are beings who transcends the universe itself or omnipotent in Star Trek.


But it depends what kind of shield it is In star trek the only shields that block alpha/beta quadrant transporters are Deflector shields and Magnetic shields which only block most matter and energy not all of them So keep in mind while Star Wars shields may block energy and matter it does not mean it can block all of them. As for more advanced transporters like Dominion, Borg or the Voth transporters they easily can transport through Federation shields.



I question this going by the movies alone they never hinted that they do this on multiple star systems, every time we saw a massive invasion it was only one planet at a time. But in Star Trek while we never seen it we would be told how fleets attacked multiple star systems and put ground forces to attempt a take over a planet. And we do have the Borg they can overwhelmingly swarm whole sectors just speculating maybe depending on the species it probably take only one cube to invade a star system and even get new drones while they are at it. The Jem'Hadar are superior clone warriors they can clone a soldier and be combat ready in 3 days. While the Star Wars clone army takes a lot more time, since they age at double the normal human rate then we can assume it takes 9 years (wikipedia says ten plus years) for a stormtroopers to be combat ready.

As for the droid army well that would be tough to defend quintillions of droids but we seen all it takes to defeat them is taking out the command center and its over. And they are robots there only as good as there AI or programing, it would not surprise me if Data or whatever Science officer would use electronic warfare and some how trick the droids to shutdown or attack each other or do some other command.

Star Trek all the way.

*geek hat on* Can i disagree with this one, please? While Star Wars hyperspace is much quicker, it has limitations - mainly that it is extremely dangerous to deviate from specified hyperspace routes. In fact, when the first Sith Empire fell, there was mass chaos and many of the Hyperspace routes were lost, meaning that planets that were easily accessible once were no longer reachable, and eventually were lost to the mysteries of Time.

While Space is still a big place, the Star Wars galaxy is limited to established hyperspace routes. No exploration is really possible, and those that do try to seek out new life or new civilizations, often get killed by flying into an unknown planet at Hyperspeed.

Warp Speed technology, while slower, allows travel to anywhere in the galaxy. Countless unexplored systems with countless unexplored world's await the Star Trek Warp capabilities. *geek hat off*

My vote goes to Star Trek technology in this one. I agree with everything else you have said though.

If I could add another level of geekness to the debate I would suggest it might depend on what 'era' of Federation in Star Trek was involved in the conflict. In the Star Wars universe we see very little evolution of technology in comparison to that displayed in the Star Trek universe and I suspect an Empire invasion of the early Federation might have been successful.

Moving to the very latest incarnations of Federation however we see them capable of dismissing the Borg threat as well as Species 8472, the latter through use of nanite weaponry developed in conjunction with the Borg. I would suggest the late-era Federation would wipe the floor with the Empire, most certainly ship-to-ship which leaves the point of ground combat rather moot.

I wanted to add why it is commonly thought the Star Wars hyperdrive is faster than the Star Trek warp drive?

The only indication of the 'speed' of hyperdive is Han Solo's statement that the Millenium Falcon (faster than any Imperial warship) could achieve "0.5 past lightspeed". We are not told the scale of what this '0.5' refers to. we do know, however, that the Star Trek warp drive is capable of propelling a ship at speeds of many multiples of c. Indeed, in the Okuda scale of warp speed the interval between warp 9 and 10 progresses to an asymptote as warp 10 is reportedly unattainable. Thus ships with high warp 9+ capability (Voyager was capable of warp 9.975) would be extremely fast!

In the first Star Wars movie Han Solo had to calculate a route before he could jump into hyperspace. While there are established routes you can calculate jumps as specified in the first movie thus showing that you do not need an already established route of travel as you can simply calculate one.

This being said in Star Trek you also have to know where your going in relation to spacial objects such as planets etc.

This being said the Star Wars galaxy has mostly been mapped anyway. Another explanation imo for the Star Wars Galaxy being more easily traverse would be it's size as galaxies do not have uniform sizes and vary greatly. The stars here may be closer in distance to one another making the galaxy more compact, if this were true perhaps hyperspace is not faster then warp but only appears to be so.



This would likely be the case during the Archer era however even during the Kirk era the Empire would not stand a chance against the federation.



I agree however it is highly unlikely they would need to employ such advanced technology against inferior weapons and shield technologies

Well the thing about star wars is if we start at the beginning of the Sith and Jedi to Star Wars: Legacy it spans around 100,000 SW years. Hyperdrive was discovered 50,000 years after the birth of the Sith and Jedi. Something happens that nearly destroys the sith and Jedi and hyperdrive technology, they are rediscovered about 25,000 years after. Lightsabers are first created about 15,000 years after that. there is no mention of any other significant dates of technological advancements on wikipedia or that I know of. If we go by the movies episode 1 to episode 6 it only is 32 years. But thats beyond the point the calenders of star wars are not set to any specific date on earth calenders.

Star trek from the humans discovery of warp drive to Star Trek Nemesis its start from the Earth year 2048 to 2379.

So it took the Federation about 331 years to get to the current tech the federation has, and in SW from hyperdrive to episode 6 about 50,000 years

You mean 2063 to 2379.

Phasers Vs. Lasers: A hand phaser the size of a deck of cards makes someone disintrigtete; lasers make holes in people. Ship phasers have faster than light speed, are selective, and have the power to knock out cities. Except for the Death Star, phasors win.

Ground Troops: Except for the Klingons, no-one in Star Trek has a real ground army, with real training and equipment for offensive land warfare. In spite of the phasor edge, Star wars cleans up in ground combat.

Droids: Except for Data and the M-5 star Trek has no AI. Star Wars has droids out the wazoo.

Transporters: Star wars has nothing like the tactical advantage of transporters.

Replicators: Star wars has nothing like the tactical advantage of replicators.

Industrial Capacity: Star Trek has an advantage in possessing replicators and anti-matter energy sources. Still, with the massive industrial base of the Galactic Empire, Star wars wins (the Death Star and Trade Federation droid legions are good examples).

Torpedoes: Star Trek torpedoes use anti-matter warheads thousands of times more powerful than a hydrogen bomb. These torpedoes move a warp-speed, to interstellar distances. Star wars torpedoes go off like a WWII block-buster and must be guided in primitive computers, and only for distances of less than a kilometer. Star Wars torpedoes are unworthy of the name.

Armor: Star Wars has many heavily armored vehicles. Star Trek: amour, what's that?

Shields: Star wars shields can shrug off thermonuclear and anti-matter bombs. Star wars shields can be worn down with weaker Star wars Torpedoes (with the exception of powerful planetary shields). Star Trek shields are better.

Cloaking Devices: Look, if there were cloaked ships, we would see them, right?

Sublight: Star Trek sublight seems faster (up to light speed), but Star Wars ships are far more maneuverable. Which brings us to:

Starfighters: Star Wars had snubfighters by the swarm. Star Trek has never heard of them....

Hyperspace: Hyperdrive is far, far faster. But, warp drive allows tactical manevering and combat, wheras a ship in hyper is helpless.

Sensors: Star Trek sensors can detect a cloaked ship across a system, or a particle of pre-animate matter from orbit. In Star Wars, they still have too look out the windows...

The Force: beats the Vulcan mind-meld.

Ultimately, I believe that Star wars would prevail, but only after a long and bitter hit-and-run fight through space.

This isn't exactly true. We saw a glimpse of starfleet ground forces in DS9 and the Romulans used the Remans as shock troops.

Just a query on Star Trek's shields in every single battle it takes like 1 to 2 shots from the 'alien ships' to bring the shields down to like 50% from there it is all down hill. How do they protect themselves without their shields??? The show is biased towards Star Trek captains, who amazingly always find a way out... In real life those puny ships would die almost immediately... I vote Star Wars! May the force be with you...

Just because there are "hyperspace routes" does not mean that traveling at hyperspeed is as easy as pressing a button. In the movie, Han Solo plots a course from Tatooine, to Alderaan. Both systems were known systems, with known routes. He just had to plot the course in specific relation to where his ship was. And when he arrives at Alderaan, what does he say? "We've run into some kind of asteroid field or meteor shower - it's not on any of the charts". And he didn't know this until they came out of Hyperspace (he had no warning). No prior knowledge that Alderaan no longer existed. Whereas in Star Trek, sensors can spot anything as soon as it comes into sensor range (provided it's not cloaked or masking itself in any way). A Federation ship travelling to Alderaan would have known that it had been blown to pieces, would have known that the "small moon" was no small moon but a space station.

Trust me, AtheistGod, hyperspace can only be made through a limited number of routes. There's no such thing as exploration when it comes to hyperspace. I guess it's more a result of Star Trek's superior sensors than the actual method of travel, but the effect is the same - travel at Warp Speed is much more efficient.

Well star trek ships lose that shield strength when matched with a foe of equal or better weapons. We have no idea how strong the star destroyer weapons are plus lets face it, starfleet engineers can think their way out of anything.
The only thing star trek ships need to worry about is the death star and considering how maneuverable sophisticated they are, they could tell when it is about to fire and move out its way.

Plus the ships have transporters that can reach thousands of kilometers. They can just beam in a few photon torpedoes to the core of any star wars ship and station and make it back to starbase 11 for lunch.

^But Star Wars have crazy technology like the Sun Crusher. The Sun Crusher was small as a one-man Star Fighter, highly manouverable, with more firepower than the Death Star (the Death Star could destroy a planet - the Sun Crusher could destroy a Star System). It is more heavily armoured than any other vehicle, with the ability to absorb Turbo-laser fire. In the book, Han Solo piloted it headfirst into a Star Destroyer, crashing through the bridge and killing the entire command crew. The Sun Crusher punched through the other side of the Star Destroyer (without a scratch, mind you). It is designed to be undetectable, sneaking into a Star System, wreak violence on any and all there, and then escape without ever being noticed.

More details, see HERE.

The Sun Crusher would totally own any Federation ship.

Ah but you also have to consider what era of star trek ship you are fighting. By the 31st century they could manipulate time and be anywhere and any when.
There is also something called the metaphasic shield that allowed ships to fly near suns and then there is the phased cloak that allows a ship to not only become invisible but to pass through solid matter like asteroids, other ships and planets.

missed this one thanks for the correction


With a little know how in Star Trek someone can blow up a star system, as we have seen in Star Trek Generations a small missile with Trilithium can stop the fusion of a star its nothing special. And I would say most federation ships can compete with the sun crusher if it is true that its strength is measured because it withstand the atmospheric pressure of a gas giant then yeah fed ships are a good enough match for it there is evidence of fed ships going deep inside gas giants even having battles in them example DS9 Starship Down Season 4. the Defiant with sheilds sensors, and there targeting system down defeated 2 Jem'Hadar warships and rescued Karemma Commerce Ministry vessel inside a gas giant.
It also say it can take a shot from a turbo blaster well thats a laser weapon and its been established all Federation hulls and shields take no damage from laser fire by the time of TNG.



Did you watch star trek while we never seen much we have seen and heard instances of ground forces in Star Trek not on the scale of star wars because its just a show and not a high budget movie, and it was not important to move the story along.


Are you serious, a few sensor sweep and the Federation will find there command center and take it out, the droid army becomes the army of useless junk. I bet a tricorder could interface with a bunch of them and give out orders to attack there own. Or a few communication scramblers would block the command centers signal.


I question this because the Empire did not take the galaxy by force but was given power through political means. On episode 2 we know they only had an army of 1.2 million troops and whatever ships they needed to support that army not even close to the army you need to conquer the galaxy probably not even a sector. Maybe thats why the Rebellion was successful The Empire did not have an army to police the whole galaxy. But I agree the droid army can be built very quickly from what we can gather.


Are you talking about armor in general because Star Trek have metals that can brush off damage from lasers hell they even have albative armor that was designed to take borg attacks if there shield were not effective from there weapons allowing a ship like the defiant to take heavy damage when there shields were taken out.


The Federation has the Federation fighter, Mitchell-class, Peregrine-class, Valkyrie-class, Sisko class, Delta flyer and class 9 runabouts. They don't fight in swarms but they are better then what star wars fighters. they have phasers, automatic targeting, sensors, they have torpedoe launchers (except for the runabout) and shields that will hardly be damaged by lasers.


Can a Jedi take on a Q, Douwd, Gorgan, The Greek God the Metron, the Nacene, the Nagilum, Organian, Sha Ka Ree, the Vorta, the Ocampa, the Platonians and whatever intelligent non corporeal being I may forgot to mention


Hit and runs how? Sensors would see them coming from light years away, and it seems like the only way SW ships can inflict any damage would be to kamikaze attack which would be tough to do since they would have to dodge the phasers and they wont do much damage since ST hull armor and shields are way stronger then what SW ships have.

If you're talking everything from Star trek, Q is a god. He could just blink Star Wars out of existence. Star Trek definitly wins, hands down!

We are also forgetting one of the most important advantages in military tactics. Communications, command and control.

The Federation has subspace transponders and is capable of communicating across galactic distances almost instantaneously. This allows for extremely flexible and fast response to any threat (within the limitations of how quickly the vessels can respond).

In Star Wars I cannot recall any supralight communication technology other than sending messages by ship. I'll admit my knowledge of SW technology is not comprehensive as I consider it a poor cousin of ST ( ) so perhaps someone could update me on whether this technology did exist in the SW universe.

I cant think of any subspace like communications in SW, but they do mention communication outpost in SW probably used to communicate with people on the planet, key defense systems and ships in orbit or with in the star system.


Well its not a fair fight anyway most of the god like creatures in ST don't meddle in the affairs of corporeal beings often anyway. Besides Q probably want to out best Yoda in some witty repartee or provoke his anger with his antic's.

'Q' can snap the 'Sun Crusher' out of existence.

Star Trek over did it with 'Q'. JMO

He was over-used and made to look fallible in later episodes and they should of stopped at "All good things."

Star Wars was "A Long Time Ago" and Trek is in the "Future", so, by the time Trek gets its toys, Star Wars has progressed another few hundred thousand years or something.

yeah.

Edit: mebbe "Q" came from the old Jedi class hehe

Thank you for the reply, Pancake. Now for my ruminations:


Droids: I was not suggesting that the SW droid advantage would be overwhelming, just that they had mastered a technology still difficult in ST. But, as you point out, SW does not use droids very effectively. Which brings us to:

Targeting Systems: Ships in ST always hit whatever they are shooting at, the first time, every time. SW uses targeting systems that were obsolete on earth when the movies came out.

Industry: The Federation has a few hundred worlds (in a part of the Alpha Quadrent), and a few hundred starships (not including shuttles and runabouts). The Galactic Empire has millions of systems, with billions of people, thousands of ships far more massive than any in the Federation, and cloning vats able to churn out Stormtroopers. The listed few million troops were at the beginning of the war, where the Republic had not geared up for war, with only the beginning batch of clones, from only one world. The Federation would be out produced by scale, not quality (see replicators) and cartanly outnumbered. The entire Federation could fit in the Empire as a body no larger than any of it's other sectors.

Armor: Thank you for reminding me about the defiant. yes, as the Federation faced more dangerous adversaries, they began to produce a few warships, with real armor. If the Federation were able to survive long enough against the Empire, it might produce a fleet of warships, rather than it's current armada of peacekeepers and exploration ships.

Fighters: The gunships and armed shuttle of the federation certainly pack a punch, and would be pretty rugged. The problem is ther are not many of them (even in comparison to larger ships). A hyperspace fighter swarm could come out of nowhere, hit, and be gone. No hyper, non-shielded, fighters (TIEs) are much, much, less dangerous.

Space Gods: Sure, they can beat anybody, that's the point. But, they don;t like anybody, either.

Strategy: Actually, it was the Federation that would have to rely on the mobility of hit-and-run (as their ships can fight and maneuver faster than light). The tactical flexibility and power that warp, sensors, phasers, and warp torpedoes will give many advantages to the Federation. Losses to the Empire would be staggering. But the Empire not only has the fleet to overwhelm the Federation, but the base to keep producing at that scale indefinably, and with hyper drive, the ability to rapidly deploy new forces. And the Empire is not the Republic or Federation: Palpatine would not hesitate to loose thousands of ships and millions of lives over years to capture the Federation, and it's technology.

Jedi: For a different angle, imagine the disruption a small team of Jedi knights could wreak on the Klingnon or Romulon Star Empires.

Did you see the Jem H'Dar suicide raids? The ones where a Fighter would break off and ram themselves into the Federation ships, destroying both? The Sun Crusher would ram through the bridge of a Galaxy Class ship, destroy everyone on it, and then push through the other side without a scratch.

Just a thought.....

One word...Ewoks.

True. It's scientifically impossible to win any conflict where the opposition are small, furry and cute.

Star Trek wins. Nothing beats Picard and the Next Generation. Besides, Star Trek has the Borg. Compare that to any bad guy in Star Wars.

I am sure that aliens watched Star Trek and Star Wars too!Why you dont ask them?

That’s because the Galaxy Ship and Jem H'Dar fighter were more or less on equal level.

The strength of the sun crusher from the link you provided seems to be measured by being able to survive the atmospheric pressure of a gas giant and being able to take no damage from a turbo blaster something most Federation ships can do. We've even seen Voyager fly between binary pulsars you don't want to know what probably would happen if they could not survive that. If you have more information that support the sun Crusher is even stronger then that post it.


Before I continue I assumed it was ST galaxy vs SW galaxy in general taking the best aspects and resources and match them up. If it is Federation vs the Empire it doesn’t matter to me, I only used the Federation as most of my reference to keep it simple.


There are races who mastered robotic technology an example was on Voyager "Prototype" season 2. The APU were autonomous battle droids (unlike SW droids which need to be told what to do) that eventually turned on their masters when they sensed they were going to be deactivated. The problem is the need for robots since holograms can do what robots do will less maintenance as long as there are holo-emmiters to support them.


Point taken the empire does have a large industry structure. But these massive ships how long does it take to build them? Months, Years! I don’t know how long it takes to build a federation ship but I doubt it takes long with the use of industrial replicators.

And if we are talking about ST in general, I already pointed out a clone soldier takes 10 years to mature and be battle ready while a Jem'Hadar only takes 3 days to mature and be battle ready, and on top of that the Borg can assimilate anybody and instantly be used for whatever purposes needed.

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ST galaxy is based on an approximate estimation of the Milky Way, the federation covers territories in the alpha and beta quadrant and consist several dozen sectors and over 1000 planets it has 155 member worlds and over 1000 colonies and or independent governments with a population of probably less than 2 quadrillion 9 (I'm guessing I have no real numbers). And yet only 25% of the alpha quadrant been explored. Not sure how much the beta quadrant is left to be discovered but its probably whatever is left the Romulans and Klingons have not claimed yet. Thats just the Federation alone if we pull all the resources from all the quadrants maybe it can come close to ST galaxy. Its estimated that there is 3 million planets the support intelligent life in the ST galaxy.

SW has is a little bigger than the milky way yet it seems only 450 have been mentioned or acknowledged to exist in what we know of SW. Most which are useless to the Empire machine you speak of because of non aggression acts with independent nations or don’t have any resources for the Empire to use or yet to be fully explored see Unknown Regions. The galaxy has 100 quadrillion life forms hard to say how many are loyal to the Empire, probably none outside the core worlds. Sources say there is 20 million planets with intelligent life, yet that conflicts with the Empire saying it has over 51 million worlds.

So I guess SW does win with numbers.


Well that’s just there philosophy the Republic did not start producing their clone army and ships either until the separatist plot was revealed to them. But beside the point most federation ships rival battle ships of the enemy (except for the borg, some dominion ships) despite being mainly exploration ships.


Well read above I was under the assumption was ST vs SW so I doubt the Feds would be the only one fighting and the other major powers in ST have either similar or even better fighter ship


Not necessarily if I manned a fleet of superior ST ships I would head to the source of the SW power. Example despite the overwhelming forces of the dominion it did not stop the federation from attacking key positions of the dominion lines, supply chains, communication centers, and dominion ship yards. Hell Section 31 even resorted to genocide by releasing a disease to kill the founders, and the feds would even resort to murder, deception and lies to secure allies to help fight there enemy. It probably would not take much to get the rebellion and the other non Galactic empire worlds to fight alongside the Federation and friends since they have similar philosophies or just hate tyranny in general. and If push came to shove I guess ST will resort to subspace weapons and just finish SW or they can use temporal based weapons and tactics and just wipe out the SW threat before it even existed.



Ok forget Q how about the gods known to help like the Prophets Siscko could simply say hey the empire is trying to invade Bajor well that would be the end of any threat at least in the Bajoran system. And lol we do have Wesley crusher I think he evolved to something higher.


With the exception of telekinetic powers, force lightning, and force choke probably not much. Klingons are too dense to think anything but look at this pahtk lets kill him and Romulans well you never want to underestimate them but yeah maybe the Jedi can wreck havoc on them the Changelings managed to deliver a near fatal blow to their Tal Shiar. But secretly infiltrating high command centers are virtually impossible without a mole or being a changeling in ST.

Something all forget, people in the federation have something to fight for.

While the Ewoks are some of the most annoying creatures in Star Wars, save the Gungans, I think that the Yuhzan Vong (sp?) who appeared in the literature set after the original trilogy are a good candidate as to why Star Wars could beat Star Trek hands down. Organic spaceships anyone? I mean these guys managed to decimate a good 3/4 of the New Republic with their gadgets before anyone could do anything.

Nothing special compared to Species 8472 like the Yuuzhan Vong everything they have is biological even the universe they come from is all biological. If they were let lose they would have not only destroyed all life in the galaxy but all life in the universe. But there ultimate weakness is that they are biological meaning all it takes is one virus they can't defend and its over. And even though there are laws banning biological weapons in the Federation they seem to have a knack for it.

It does not even seem like the SW was even smart enough to attack the the Yuuzhan Vong using biological weapons they did it with brute force, they could of saved a lot of time and lives by threatening to release a virus that only affected the Yuuzhan Vong. I guess they don't want to copy to much from Star Trek.

Ewoks vs. Tribbles would be fun to watch

Exactly what I was thinking, SP.

That Borg/Federation nanite torpedo would send the Yuuzhan Vong crying back to their mama's.

Sun Crusher: The quantum armor of the Sun Crusher is designed to withstand a super-nova. No standard weapons in either Sw or ST could scratch it. That said, it would probably bounce off any of the shields in ST.

Industry: It takes Utopia Plantea Shipyards a year to make a Galexy class starship. The Republic went from essentially no warships to swarms of star-destroyers (and several models of improvement) in less than three years. You'd think replicators were faster...

The Jedi: the Jedi would have no difficulty defeating Klingons in personal combat, and have had to deal with the machinations of Sith Lords, so i think they could handle the Romulons also.

Strategy: While the Federation could stage devistating raids on the Empire, their ships have neither the range nor speed to strike into the Imperial heart (see Voyager). Further, given that the Empire is a few orders of magnitude larger, they have not the force strength to attrition the Empire.

Now, things do get more interesting if others in ST join the fun. The Borg would be a serious problem for SW. Once a few Star destroyers have been assimilated (granting hyperdrive), the invasion begins. While the Empire might be able to slow them down (not stop) with weight of numbers, once you have an assimilated Death Star, it's all over.

Goodness for the hell of it I googled Star Wars vs Star Trek got some sites all of them by die hard SW fans anyway to keep it short SW weapons seem to be a lot more powerful then ST weapons, some millions of times more powerful (I shouldn't be surprised SW is a space opera) even though they are laser weapons which or obsolete in the ST universe. Though the owners of those sites are blatantly biased they have a good argument and are sourced. I guess I'll concede SW is more powerful then ST. Unless Q is willing to help ST.

Although I prefer Star wars... I think Star trek would win..

Never underestimate the power, of a gay omnipotent being's love for a certain star fleet captain.



"Oh very well, (sigh...deep breath) have it your way Picard, The 'Emperor and the entire Empire' (tut) are now turned into.. a bunch of vegetables.
you know Jean, I could never resist your authoritative voice..."

Man that had me in stitches!

Thank you that was the perfect post to start my day with!

Also what about Kes in Voyager? She also became some unique powerful being she could tip the odds!

Not just Q, but the entire Q Continuum. We've only seen a handful of them, but what hope does SW have against Gods?

I thought there was a rule against the Q Continuum messing around with other species?

There is but that never stopped a particular Q form doing so.

Star Trek appeared more scientific to Star Wars sci-fi.

From Nanonites to opening a space rift in three different time periods and a paradox something/something to closeing it. (Don't know all the terms they mention, just sounds more scientific)

It was supposed to be. The whole point of Star Wars is it was a Space Opera, meaning they could allow themselves to go ape and throw in scientific inaccuracies.