Hi Everyone,

I am going to be brave and post a fantastic EVP that I believe is a break through "scientifically" or "theoretically" speaking. Now I should not really call this an EVP. Its more like an audio recording. Why just an audio recording? Because I am not saying this is 100% an EVP. So for now I am labeling this an audio recording. Let me give you some background on this session. We are located in a 5 level hotel. Two investigators are in a hotel room that is claimed to hold paranormal activity such as people being tucked in bed when they are alone, hearing voices, and being touched. This hotel room is a hotel suite, so it has two rooms. One room is like a living room, and the other is the bedroom. Only two investigators are present during this session. We are sitting on a couch in the living room part of the suite. You will hear us performing an EVP session. In the background is a loud ticking from the heating system that was turned off before we started doing this session. That is why its ticking because it is cooling down. However, it is not on. The rest of the room is absolutely silent. No water running, no one else is in the room. Its like extremely late, about 2:00am in the morning. We start asking basic questions. You'll hear an investigator start talking about guiding the spirits to the light if they need help. ( Suggestion* turn up your speakers or bass ) As soon as I mention the light to the spirits, listen for a strange pulsating sound? While all of this is going on, you'll also hear some spirits chattering in he background. You can't really make out what they are saying because they are faint, but its relevant to the session. I think I hear towards the end of the clip spirits speaking about the light? Is it possible the pulsating sound we are hearing is the sound of Light? Did we initiate the light somehow? Keep in mind, we are on the 4th level of the hotel. You do not hear anything outside that much unless you opened a window. This was recorded last winter, so all windows were shut.

We have yet to recreate this pulsating sound... so we have no idea what it could be.



There is a theory that people who have had a near death experience have encountered what they call a tunnel of light during their passing or outer body experience. If we recorded the sound of light, that would give these near death experiences more credibility don't you think? I know its going to be hard to say what this is, but I am saying "WHAT IF IT WAS?"

Click here, and just scroll down till you see "The Light" EVP

I just think its a real coincidence that you hear this pulsating sound when we mention the light???

We are also good at "TAGGING" things if we think they will interfere or contaminate our evidence. So if something was making that noise, nobody heard it in person.

Just adding a note here: the sound does not also sound like anything mechanical which is interesting.

Well first have to look at the type of recorder in question...Tape or Digital.

The approx location of the recorder, (set on a desk, bed, held, or near any appliances)

Also, the recorders are ultra sensitive so it can pick up sounds from outside. I noticed this from a hotel investigation we did last year. we were on the 7th floor and picked up cars from outside, windows were shut as well. Not saying thats what it is in your case.

Being that the vent was kicking off and still ticking throughout the evp session, the evp would never pass any skeptics test.

I don't really see any conclusive evidence to suggest this is anything. By you stating what you think it is, already puts that thought into the listeners head.

Interesting listen anyway.

I agree with EnJay.

Was the hotel vacant besides you and your group?

If not, too easy for the audio to be contaminated. I hear the pulse sound but that could easily be the elevator mechanics, the ice machine, someone in a Jacuzzi tub near by, etc. Even if you turned the heat off in your room the heat was still flowing in the rest of the building and that could be the sound of the the heat flowing in the pipes.

Did you check the floors above and below you for any machinary that was near by which could be making the sound?

Need a lot more info on the area like was it a chain hotel or a smaller mom&pop place? (probably a chain if it was 5 floors) Was in in a city or town, or out in the sticks? Was it near an airport or train tracks? Any factories or other industry around? Any parties or gatherings going on in the hotel?

I've heard many pulsing sounds all my life, with and without recording equipment. No reason to believe this was paranormally based. Heating, venting, mechanical equipment all can make pulsating sounds. Especially if they are old and need service. I don't doubt that you may not have been aware of the sound at that time, it could have been very low but not so low that your recorders didn't pick it up.

Just too many variables. IMO at best it's a curiosity that may warrent additional investigation.

ps- Going with your presumption that it is paranormal, based on what do think this is the sound of light or the "tunnel of light"? I suppose light itself has a sound but you'd need incredibly advanced and sensetive equipment to detect it.

pps- Why did the person in the recording even mention light and going to the light in the first place? That's not typical of an EVP session.

Kind of wondering that myself...but a lot of people do things differently.

I agree. There are many approaches to EVP questions people use. But referring to the light and going to the light is something I've never heard before nor would even have thought to speak of unless I had a specific reason.

I stick to basic questions that would result in short answers. I have a list of maybe 5-10 questions I normally ask.

When reviewing evidence, I never accept random noises like a chair moving, especially if someone was in the room, now if i left the recorder in the room and i heard furniture shuffling 20 minutes into the recording, then I will be like well damn.

Its too easy to hear a random noise and be like, well I didnt hear that while recording..

I also never whisper and ask anyone who is with me on the investigation to never whisper either. We had 6hrs of audio from a residence investigation and ppl kept whispering in the background which made it pure madness to accept anything.

A lot of variables in evp work that ppl may not realize....way you handle the recorder, the way it reacts near appliances blah blah....

I agree with you, we need to know more about the actual investigation itself, occupants above and below, all staff accounted for...outside traffic if its in a city, airport...power lines near by, any sort of transformer near by which could cause the pulsating.

To give you a more detailed aspect of the location...

No, no employee's or guests were at the hotel. We had the place to ourselves. The elevators were not nearby. We were at the end of the hallway, one of the last rooms to this floor. No power lines are nearby. We are on the 4th floor. There is no ice machine. This is a very high class hotel. It was a mansion converted to a hotel for high class Europeans. Each room costs anywhere from $200 a night and up. This is not your ordinary hotel that many think of. It was built in the early 1900's. It was a Summer home of someone somewhat famous on the North Shore of Long Island. Cannot reveal who as I have to respect my clients privacy. The things in the room were, 2 bathrooms, a living room with a couch and a master bedroom that had its own bathroom. No electronics were running. No one was on the floor while we were investigating. I can ask my EVP specialist exactly what kind of recorder was used. But I believe it was a tape. The pulsating is not the mechanics of the tape because it does not sound mechanical. I am actually in the midst of having someone from a university analyze this recording ( a professor, w/high credentials. ) Just to make sure these aren't the sounds of something mechanical. We've used this tape player after this investigation, and have never gotten that same effect if it was mechanical. If it was a faulty tape player, it would be able to cause the effect again. We haven't been able to recreate it. the environment was a very controlled environment by us. The room was silent. the hotel was empty. No guests, nothing. The elevators are down the hall, and you cannot hear them. Nobody was using them. We're in the room furthest from the elevators. How about the fact that we did not hear this sound in person? Only during the recording & review? To me the sound does not sound mechanical... you would hear some other noise mixed within the pulsating sound if it were mechanical, like scratching, skipping, or tapping. Something like that, if it were mechanical. The pulsating noise, is consistent. It also seems to get louder and louder at some points while speaking about the light. It also seems to appear to start pulsating when I first mention the light.

Another note; we were not whispering at all. I agree about not whispering... EVP's sometimes come in like they are whispers. We TAG everything. We are successful with our EVP's because of having an absolute controlled environment. We make our clients aware of that before we investigate.

So, let me get this straight....the ENTIRE hotel was vacant to just your team? No staff were on the premisis at all? If this is infact true, the hotel would lose its license and no matter how rich a person is, nobody would be staying in the hotel. A business whose operation is 24/7 such as a hotel, needs at least one staff member on the location otherwise the doors have to be locked. This is true even if there is a crime scene.

As far as everything else suggested. Did you do your proper EMF sweep? Wires in the walls accounted for?

As you suggested yourself, this isn't considered an EVP and I totally agree. Random noises rather pulsating or not can't constitute paranormal with so many unknowns in the area. Everything can not be accounted for all the time.

I dont know much about EVP's but why do his have so many echos of them speaking? JN

First of all Enjay, calm down... you sound like you are busting a nerve.

I never said the building was completely empty did I? Are you in fact calling me a liar? Of course staff was on hand, I just said they were not on the 4th floor where we were investigating. Why would they lose their license? All I said was its not like your Holiday Inn, Econo Lodge type of hotel. Of course we ran EMF sweeps. We did everything a GOOD investigator would do. There were no high EMF readings. Everything read normal. so no faulty mechanics or wiring were present. There was only 2 staff on hand in the entire building. That was security people. If you listen closely Enjay, there is faint chattering in the background of this recording. I also never once said this was paranormal. I like how skeptics claim we automatically think its paranormal. I stated myself it wasn't a 100% EVP because I don't know what it is. I'm just listing the possibilities. So don't go getting your panties in a bunch. I have 5 other group members of mine who can back me up on this recording. You going to call 5 other people liars too? This is why I do not like posting evidence on UM. This is going to be my last time doing this because I am sick of skeptics thinking investigators always jump to conclusions of the paranormal. Not all of them do, and a good investigator doesn't. Enjay you sure as hell know I am a damn good investigator with great experience behind my work. I will not post anything publically if I think ITS NOT paranormal.

First and formost...Im not busting a nerve...I was simply stating what I read as you did infact say...
-----Does this say they werent on the 4th floor? No it means they were not at the hotel.

As I also suggested

Where did I say it was paranormal? I was stating that random noices cant be classified paranormal...not referring to your recording.

If you can not take constructive criticism, you are in the wrong place pal.

PS.

--by this line you are suggesting its paranormal...not me.

Enjay, I think your being a little more than constructive... perhaps because of our past issues? I can take criticism fine, I respect healthy skepticism. Not negative ones...

I also said I was only listing the possibilities what it could be. I never called it Paranormal. Don't twist my words...

Honestly man, you are the only one being negative....









---Said that last time.

Anyway man, think as you wish...Doesn't appear I am the negative one here though.

Backup - This is from an analog cassette tape recorder not a digital? That adds a whole other dimension to it. Cassette is woefully inaccurate compared to a digital recorder: Tape could be bad, not well tensioned, dirty recording heads, heads out of alignment, weakening battery etc. I know alot of groups still use them but compared to digital they have significant short-commings.

I think EnJay's point is that either the build was totally vacant or not. And if not how can you be sure no one - staff or guest - wasn't on your floor or a floor above/below doing something that caused the sound? Same for any equipment on/off. You said the heat in the building was on. Even if you turned off the blower in your room the overall building heating system was still on and who knows how the sound of that can carry.

I think the point is yes you got a pulsating sound. But to make the jump all the way to it being the sound of the "tunnel of light" is a big leap. Like I said before IMO it's at best something to remember to try to recreate on a follow up investigation.

See, now MP, was being a healthy skeptic. He didn't feel the need to make remarks like oh, they are going to lose their license etc; Or saying if what I said was true like I am automatically lying about it. I don't appreciate being called a liar. that's the part I was referring to Enjay about you being negative from the start. ( since when is investigating a hotel with permission a crime? LOL )

Thank you for your criticism Po. I know what you mean. However, isn't cassette and digital just a preference? We have gotten more quality EVP's on cassette versus digital. I think its because the mechanics in a cassette somehow could create a white noise effect to pull out an EVP?

I would like to go on saying I never labeled this an EVP or Paranormal. I only listed the possibilities. I did say we tried to recreate the sound and couldn't. We investigated the same room with the same atmosphere. If it was faulty mechanics of the tape, you would think you would get it again? Since then we have used the same player and not once have ever gotten the same sound again.

Alright, let me break it down barney level...

You said,

By this statement, you suggested NOBODY WAS IN THE HOTEL. If no staff is present WITH PERMISSION OR NOT, it is illegal for civilians to roam a business without employees on the premisis. Not with you doing ur thing, but down in the lobby, wherever. That is what I was saying.

If the employees left the hotel for whatever reason, they could lose their license for allowing civilians free access and with the doors unlocked. If the doors were locked, and they left, locking you in is a fire hazard as well.

However, if the staff was in the building, then everyone was not accounted for, get what Im saying.

It's not an issue of I like Olympus and you like Sony. That's a preference. The actual mechanics of analog vs digital are the issue.

With an analog cassette you have a physical media that can be warped, damaged, demagnetized, or just a bad product. Even ambient tempurature and humidity can effect the tape. There are internal motor noises that can be recorded. If the motor isn't turning at the right RPM that an affect the recording. Then the heads can get dirty, be off alignment etc. Analog was great in it's day when there wasn't digital. Now that there's digital that eleminates many of those problems.

If you research how EVPs are formed, the majority of the theories say that somehow the entity is interacting directly with the microphone mechanism itself. Some say it's forming the EVP by manipulating the electromagnet in the microphone. Some say it's using the slight random/ambiguity that happens when translating physical sound waves into audio. In any case, if you want to have a white noise source you're much better off using an external white noise generator or CD instead.

We use cassette recorders too but accept the limitations of it as well as the possible innaccuracies. Case in point: I have a recording of what sounds like a human heart beat from a well known active location - and the sound is drawing closer and closer to the recorder!!! But the sound comes at the very end of the recording. We determined it was just the *thump* of the tape reel as it unwound the final feet of tape. But it sounded really really good!

I'll post a link to it - It's very cool!

Are you the paranormal sheriff? LOL...

Enjay your being ridiculous with your comments. I already said, there were two staff people on hand. Yes they were accounted for. They were the security officers on deck. they were stationed in their room of operations. Yes, we had permission to be there directly from the owner. What are you going to do about it?

Barney level? Why how old are you Enjay 4?

Lets get back on topic please...

I already stated, how many times now? I NEVER LABELED THIS AN EVP. I NEVER LABELED this PARANORMAL. I only listed the POSSIBILITIES. Do I need to be any clearer for you ?

Actually no, but I have investigated hotels and I am former law enforcement. I know laws and procedures of businesses.

Breaking it down Barney Level is an ARMY term used for people who can't comprehend what is being put out.

Anyway, I am done. If you want to continue this banter, email me like you usually do and complain, don't bring it up on here and waste thread space

PS. you did say you do not post any evps you do not think is paranormal, yet you posted this? Pretty clear to me...that is all

As promised, here a link to that recording that sounds like a human heart beat but is just the tape:

Human Heart Beat EVP (false evidence)

NOTE: This recording is Copyright Long Island Paranormal Investigators - all rights reserved.

I've tried that remember Enjay? Several times... Both on UM and Yahoo. You persisted on ignoring me. So I have my answer where you stand.

You can't admit your wrong about what you did to me, so this is your way of getting back at me? Very unprofessional

There was nothing illegal about our investigations. We had permission from the owner, want it in writing? Geeze...

Po... I know what your saying about the cassette thing, however as I said before, don't you think by using the same player and if it was faulty mechanics of the player wouldn't you get it again, or likely get it again afterwards? That's what I don't get with this one. If it was mechanics, how come it has never happened again? I have heard a lot of groups prefer cassette over digital. Or prefer digital over cassette. I wasn't referring to the brand. both have negative and positive aspects of their use. No matter what you do, skeptics will always look for a rational, or logical explanation. Which is not a bad thing, I think disproving or debunking is good so if you cannot recreate your evidence, it leans more towards being paranormal. However, skeptics just always find a way to put investigators down no matter what you use. Its hard to present anything these days.

Damn man, that is actually pretty awesome. Could easily fool anyone.

And Pluto, I got tired of the same thing. I stated my peace, you couldn't accept that.

--And I know you had permission, I was explaining what I thought inititally from your post of nobody was in the hotel...

Over

Just curious, at the end...who is Jonathon Alexander or John Alexander? No reason. Just curious. (No One Yell at me please!! TY)

First, I'm not a skeptic. I'm being analytic. We've spoken before about this - Peer review is the scientific approach. If an investigator can't handle peer review then they have a problem.

Evidence is not evidence just because the investigator says it is. If you present evidence then you must be willing to stand by it and give all available info about the circumstances around it. It's also incumbent upon the investigator to recognize the reasonable possible faults in the situation. It is the responsibility of the investigator to prove something is evidence, not the viewer to prove it isn't.

Second, there you go again saying I'm putting you down.

Yea, I nearly had to change my undies when I first heard it!

Po, just for the record I wasn't referring to you as being a skeptic or was I commenting toward you. that wasn't meant for you. I should of been more specific. Sorry... I was generally speaking.

HaHa...I just did and I know its false evidence

What made it even more startling was that's the same room we did infact get a very powerful EVP just a few minutes before!

Here's the link to that one: (warning! This recording is extreme content - may be too intense for some people (not just saying it for shock effect!) )

Scream

(Copyright Long Island Paranormal Investigators - All rights reserved)

LOL, damn....reminds me of a desktop i used to have with a cheetah...interesting indeed!

heck i didn't like that one

so nada? niente? nothing?

The room we recoded that in was being used as our "HQ room" for the investigation. While the whole place is active we didn't have any specific information about activity in that room. However, in the basement level directly below that room was the original electro-shock therapy room!!

We're going back next year for a 2-night investigation and will definately run more recorders in that room!

OMG PRO that does sound like a real heart beat! Pluto I did hear the voices and it does sound like they are saying something about a light, I think that was pretty cool cosidering the fact that you was just talking about the light.

OMG that makes it all the more freaky . E.S.T is nasty !!!

Pluto i hear the pulsing i'm not sure what that is . its odd kinda sounds like card when you flex it to make a sound . hmm no idea, cool though !!!!

Okay pluto-x guess that means nothing. Later Jody

Sorry Jody, didn't know you were asking me...

Jonathan Alexander? Do you hear that in the EVP?