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LucidElement
someone explain the end please, does angelina jolie represent like a desire in the minds? i dont understand does the new king give in? maybe someone can explain the end of th ebook too..c ause the movie just ends!
Astronema
All i wanna know is IS IT IN 3-D!!
LucidElement
yes at some theaters, i happend to go to the WRONG ONE lol.. after i saw it, i found out it was at the other theater.
MissMelsWell
I haven't seen the movie, and I'll probably avoid it. Beowulf is one of my all time favorite stories and I don't want to ruin my image in my head of the story. haha.

What character does she play?

Nevermind, I looked it up. She plays Grendels Mother of course.

It's always been debated on who/what Grendels Mother actually is other than one of Beowulfs arch enemies. It's been speculated that she could have been a Norse Goddess, a Valkyrie, a monster, a female warrior.... (the translation I have suggests she's a female warrior)

In the poem, Beowulf beheads Grendels mother after she pulls him to the bottom of the lake and into the cave.

In the poem, at the end of his battle with the dragon, Beowulf dies from his injuries and is buried with the dragons treasure so the curse of the treasure can't harm his people.

Since I haven't seen the movie, I have no idea how much they've deviated from the poem. I'd have to guess a lot. It's a fairly short poem (as far as metric poems go) and I'm taking the leap that turning an 80+/- page poem into a 2 hour movie would require a lot of filler and story line rewrite.

LucidElement
anyone? understand what angelina jolie did at the end? did he fall for her or toss the horn? im so lost.
avs76
QUOTE (LucidElement @ Nov 21 2007, 08:04 PM) *
anyone? understand what angelina jolie did at the end? did he fall for her or toss the horn? im so lost.

Sorry man, I haven't seen it. The trailer has kinda put me off a bit.
MissMelsWell
QUOTE (LucidElement @ Nov 21 2007, 01:04 AM) *
anyone? understand what angelina jolie did at the end? did he fall for her or toss the horn? im so lost.


After reading the reviews of the movie, it sounds like the movie doesn't follow the original story very accurately at all. Apparently they Hollyweiros have created some sort of love affair or something between Grendels mother and Beowulf--that definitely wasn't in the book. So I couldn't begin to tell you what that character did at the end of the movie. Grendels mother doesn't appear at the end of the book. Beowulf killer her in the cave in the middle of the book then fights the dragon.

**shrugs** I'll probably avoid this movie for sure.
Cadetak
May memory of the original story is vague but I do know that the movie strays far away from it.

From what I took from the end all I think what happened was that Beowulf's friend realized that Beowulf lied about killing Grendel's mom. I don't think he was going to give her back the cup and take the same deal Beowulf did. It just didn't seem like it would be in his character.
LucidElement
so y ou dont think he falls into her trap?
Cadetak
QUOTE (LucidElement @ Nov 25 2007, 04:55 AM) *
so y ou dont think he falls into her trap?


I don't. Throughout the story he showed this I think. When they first arrived he was the only one not trying to get drunk and find a woman to sleep with. He gets upset that Beowulf and his army are partying while they should be preparing for battle. Also seeing the fate of Beowulf would put him against falling into the same trap. His character indicated that he had a stronger will.
avs76
QUOTE (Cadetak47 @ Nov 25 2007, 10:12 PM) *
I don't. Throughout the story he showed this I think. When they first arrived he was the only one not trying to get drunk and find a woman to sleep with. He gets upset that Beowulf and his army are partying while they should be preparing for battle. Also seeing the fate of Beowulf would put him against falling into the same trap. His character indicated that he had a stronger will.

I agree. The ending was not conclusive, but from what we saw of Wiglaf, I think he did not buy in to the promises of Grendel's mother and would have rejected her. His insistence throughout the film that Beowulf slew Grendel's mother demonstrates, I think, that deep down he knew the truth, but he vocalised the contrary to reinforce his loyalty toward Beowulf and the kingdom that Beowulf had created.

I have read many criticisms about the film, but I quite enjoyed it. One thing I didn't like was the depiction of Grendel's mother in human form. Don't get me worng, she had a fantastic bod, but why was she wearing high heels? I thought that aspect was a terrible decision by the animators. I also wondered why Angeline Jolie's mole above her eyebrow was faithfully reproduced. If a demon were to assume a beautiful human form, why would it include a mole above its eyebrow?

In addition, I thought the accents were poor. A blend of British and Irish accents, then the sultry intonations of Grendel's mother which seemed to be some kind of Russian accent. Terrible. I thought Grendel's accent (played by Crispin Glover) was excellent. Also, I am pretty sure Nordic cultures did not have stirrups on their saddles at that time (does anyone remember the year that was shown at the beginning of the film?). I could be wrong be wrong about this, if I am I apologise.

But these are pretty minor criticisms.
MissMelsWell
It was always hard to tell in the original story what exactly Grendels mother was suppose to be. Some interpretations imply she's a Valkerie (but no interpretations say exactly, but the translators guess is generally in the footnotes).

If I'm not mistaken, the original written work is in Old English which is as foreign to us today as say Russian is. Of course, it was an old oral norse tale originally. Many of the characters in the story were real live people at one time and that's been fairly well documented. The original story has connections to the Frankish Marovingians and historical royalty of Sweden and Denmark. It's thought that Beowulf himself may have been a real historical figure. It's a wonderful tale of chilvalry, honor, and morals. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Arthurian ledgends were inspired by Beowulf to a certain extent. Beowulf is suppose to be the ultimate superhero, good, kind, wise, strong, and honorable. If the movie depicts him as anything less epic than that, it's no good. Some stupid romance with Grendels mother is out of line in my opinion. Most translations of the story actually depict her as a horrible monster with no human attributes other than motherly love for Grendel.

Here's a few lines of the old English the story was translated from:

Ongeat pa se goda grund-wyrgenne, mere-wif mihtig: Maegen-ras forgeaf hilde-bille, hond sweng ne ofteah. Paet hire on hafelan hring-wael agol graedig fuo-leod. Da se gist onfand, paet se beado-leoma bitan nolde, aldre scepoan, ac seo ecg geswac oeodne aet paearfe; dolode ar fela hond-gemota, helm oft gescaer, faeges fyrd-hraegl: oa waes forma sid deorum madm, paet his dom alaeg.

Which translates to when Beowulf fights Grendel:

The hero observed that swamp-thing from hell (Grendel), the tarn hag in all her terrible strength (Grendel's Mother), then heaved his war-sword and swung his arm: the decorated blade came down rining and singing on his head. But soon found his battle-torch extinguished. The shining blade refused to bite. It spared her and failed Beowulf in his time of need. It had gone through many hand to hand fights, had hewn armor and helmets of the doomed but here at last, the fabulous powers of the heirloom failed.

Grendels Mother's character is important because it shows that hell hath no fury like a mother scorned. She is hell bent on killing Beowulf because he killed her son... but she's an evil monster, a hag, a horrible warrior, but mainly hideous and evil... the idea that hollyweird would make her some kind of love interest is just preposterous.
avs76
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Dec 2 2007, 05:08 PM) *
It was always hard to tell in the original story what exactly Grendels mother was suppose to be. Some interpretations imply she's a Valkerie (but no interpretations say exactly, but the translators guess is generally in the footnotes).

If I'm not mistaken, the original written work is in Old English which is as foreign to us today as say Russian is. Of course, it was an old oral norse tale originally. Many of the characters in the story were real live people at one time and that's been fairly well documented. The original story has connections to the Frankish Marovingians and historical royalty of Sweden and Denmark. It's thought that Beowulf himself may have been a real historical figure. It's a wonderful tale of chilvalry, honor, and morals. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the Arthurian ledgends were inspired by Beowulf to a certain extent. Beowulf is suppose to be the ultimate superhero, good, kind, wise, strong, and honorable. If the movie depicts him as anything less epic than that, it's no good. Some stupid romance with Grendels mother is out of line in my opinion. Most translations of the story actually depict her as a horrible monster with no human attributes other than motherly love for Grendel.

Here's a few lines of the old English the story was translated from:

Ongeat pa se goda grund-wyrgenne, mere-wif mihtig: Maegen-ras forgeaf hilde-bille, hond sweng ne ofteah. Paet hire on hafelan hring-wael agol graedig fuo-leod. Da se gist onfand, paet se beado-leoma bitan nolde, aldre scepoan, ac seo ecg geswac oeodne aet paearfe; dolode ar fela hond-gemota, helm oft gescaer, faeges fyrd-hraegl: oa waes forma sid deorum madm, paet his dom alaeg.

Which translates to when Beowulf fights Grendel:

The hero observed that swamp-thing from hell (Grendel), the tarn hag in all her terrible strength (Grendel's Mother), then heaved his war-sword and swung his arm: the decorated blade came down rining and singing on his head. But soon found his battle-torch extinguished. The shining blade refused to bite. It spared her and failed Beowulf in his time of need. It had gone through many hand to hand fights, had hewn armor and helmets of the doomed but here at last, the fabulous powers of the heirloom failed.

Grendels Mother's character is important because it shows that hell hath no fury like a mother scorned. She is hell bent on killing Beowulf because he killed her son... but she's an evil monster, a hag, a horrible warrior, but mainly hideous and evil... the idea that hollyweird would make her some kind of love interest is just preposterous.

Thank you. What an excellent post. I really wish I could read Old English and so appreciate the poem in its original style.
m. Moe
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Nov 19 2007, 02:30 AM) *
I haven't seen the movie, and I'll probably avoid it. Beowulf is one of my all time favorite stories and I don't want to ruin my image in my head of the story. haha.

What character does she play?

Nevermind, I looked it up. She plays Grendels Mother of course.

It's always been debated on who/what Grendels Mother actually is other than one of Beowulfs arch enemies. It's been speculated that she could have been a Norse Goddess, a Valkyrie, a monster, a female warrior.... (the translation I have suggests she's a female warrior)

In the poem, Beowulf beheads Grendels mother after she pulls him to the bottom of the lake and into the cave.

In the poem, at the end of his battle with the dragon, Beowulf dies from his injuries and is buried with the dragons treasure so the curse of the treasure can't harm his people.

Since I haven't seen the movie, I have no idea how much they've deviated from the poem. I'd have to guess a lot. It's a fairly short poem (as far as metric poems go) and I'm taking the leap that turning an 80+/- page poem into a 2 hour movie would require a lot of filler and story line rewrite.

Yeah, then you wil probably want to advoid it. I heard of Beowulf before I saw the movie, and then I watched the movie and was like "wtf?".
when.i.am.queen.
Well, I have to say that I saw it and I loved it.
Do not expect a faithful reproduction (as everyone knows by now), but it IS tongue in cheek, plain out fun.

And from what I could gather, the new king did not succumb to Grendels mother; although they made it very ambiguous.

And I agree, what was with the high heels? That was the single part of the movie which I did not enjoy.
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