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graylady2
QUOTE (Carcharoth @ Dec 3 2007, 10:09 PM) *
They shouldn't be asked to register, but forced to register.


Agreed. Rather than have predators police themselves, maybe the courts should have a direct link to state and national sex offender data bases, and register the offender, via those links, after sentencing.

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As for babysitting predators, personally I think that would be better use of the police's time than pulling in people doing drugs, but that's another debate. But I do agree that there's quite a lot of offenders, even when excluding the unregistered sex offenders. And to that, add all those who are never caught.


It depends on the drug, imo. I'm not against any drug being used if it's in its natural state. That is - no processing is required. Pot, mushrooms and peyote have been used for ages, by many cultures, as spiritual gateways. No processing is necessary, unlike heroin and cocaine...and the myriad of narcotics derived from them. Man made recreational drugs are particularly taboo, imo.
Drugs in their natural state are not on this planet to be criminalized, they're to be used medicinally...imo.

You bring up a good point concerning predators who've never been caught...I'd wager those numbers would rock many to the core.
graylady2
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Dec 3 2007, 11:11 PM) *
Yes, you are wrong.


<vBg>...uhhuh...

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As for physical castration, never in the us, not while me and people like me still draw breath. There is NO way, under any circumstances, that I will ever abide my government cutting a body part off of anybody as part of criminal punishment.


Then it's a good thing that I don't advocate castration... I advocate altering the sexual part of the brain. No appendages will be removed...

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I would be more than happy to discuss my thoughts on the iraq war there, not on a thread about the death penalty, where it serves no purpose other than for you to make erroneous generalizations about me in an attempt to assignate my character and stereotype me. Can you do that? Can you argue the death penalty without going off on tangests like the war in iraq or making sweeping, and incorrect, generalizations about what you believe my politics to be? What does that have to do with the death penalty? Nothing.


Because you can't see a parallel, doesn't mean there isn't one...

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But you resort to ad hominim attacks. and it's pretty funny, I've been called a LOT of things in the past 8 years, but "conservative" is not one of them. Do you know many conservatives who argue this passionately against the death penalty? Your logical falacy of an ad hominim attack achieves a whole new level of disregard for logic when you accuse a person condemning the death penalty of being a conservative.


Please cite where I said you were a conservative. You can't. So please don't put words into my mouth. They leave a very bad taste....

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Do you have anything else of value to contribute to the debate? I think I understand your position at this point. did you start a thread about the war in iraq like I asked you? I would be more than happy to discuss my thoughts on the iraq war there, not on a thread about the death penalty, where it serves no purpose other than for you to make erroneous generalizations about me in an attempt to assignate my character and stereotype me.


If you want a thread on Iraq then start one. I don't jump through any hoops for anyone.
That said...the stench of hypocrisy oozes from you...
Carcharoth
QUOTE (graylady2 @ Dec 4 2007, 04:28 PM) *
Agreed. Rather than have predators police themselves, maybe the courts should have a direct link to state and national sex offender data bases, and register the offender, via those links, after sentencing.



It depends on the drug, imo. I'm not against any drug being used if it's in its natural state. That is - no processing is required. Pot, mushrooms and peyote have been used for ages, by many cultures, as spiritual gateways. No processing is necessary, unlike heroin and cocaine...and the myriad of narcotics derived from them. Man made recreational drugs are particularly taboo, imo.
Drugs in their natural state are not on this planet to be criminalized, they're to be used medicinally...imo.

You bring up a good point concerning predators who've never been caught...I'd wager those numbers would rock many to the core.


That would certainly be a possible solution. Install a direct link at the courthouse or at the prison, and once the offender has been sentenced or brought to prison, (s)he would instantly be registered to an international database of sex offenders (rapists, pedophiles etc.).

As for drugs, I didn't mean hard drugs like heroin or crystal meth should be legalized and sold at your local grocery store. What I meant was that I think police should concentrate more on busting those who produce the drugs and those who sell them. If you remove those links in the chain, the end of the chain (the user) will have a much harder time getting hold of drugs. But I do agree that man-made/laboratory-made/designer drugs are more sketchy than drugs derived from nature. Although one should be careful with natural hallucinogenics too.
heyx
hey i am nw to this discussion but i was thinking maby if they did bring it back maby it would stop more people commiting crimes but i do think that that should only be excuted IF THERE IS FORENSIC EVIDENCE.
~Cheese~
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TRPS-TECH1
I just simply go with the old " Kill and be Killed " but only if you are executed the exact same way that you killed your victims ! Doesnt matter where in the world you are
Sporkling
i still don't like the idea of DP
jane in wonderland
"I don't begrudge anyone the right to appeal... It's how many appeals those savage, child rapists get that I take issue with. But thanks for putting your spin on my words... rather dizzying, really."

woo hoo! pardon this newbie for jumping into this emotional firestorm of a topic. As someone who works on appeals, I think it looks worse from the outside. The number of wrongfull convictions for sex-related offenses is mind-numbing though with widespread DNA analysis, access, and better procedural safeguards the number is not as bad as it once was but there are still way too many false accusations during divorce proceedings and emotionally charged break-ups. On the state level, defendants basically have one appeal. In my state, defendants get two but the second is for the most part illusory unless there is a sexy, novel issue of first impression that needs to be resolved, which is typically unrelated to guilt or innocence. After the defendant losses in state court he can file a habeas in federal ct. but unless the state royally screwed up the application of state law or a federal constitutional error was violated, then that's the end of the road.

Regarding sex offender registry and residency requirements, it's a mess. Teen boys who are convicted of having sex with their slightly younger but underage girlfriends are clumped together with pedophiles. In many states, neither can reside within a certain distance from schools, which means that many cities are wholly off limits. What happens is that they either move to one of the poorer suburbs or rural areas, which decrease property values in those areas, or they disappear. The police hate the residency laws cause they don't have the manpower and funds to track down those who go missing when they can't find housing.

graylady2
QUOTE (jane in wonderland @ Jan 6 2008, 11:07 PM) *
woo hoo! pardon this newbie for jumping into this emotional firestorm of a topic. As someone who works on appeals, I think it looks worse from the outside. The number of wrongfull convictions for sex-related offenses is mind-numbing though with widespread DNA analysis, access, and better procedural safeguards the number is not as bad as it once was but there are still way too many false accusations during divorce proceedings and emotionally charged break-ups. On the state level, defendants basically have one appeal. In my state, defendants get two but the second is for the most part illusory unless there is a sexy, novel issue of first impression that needs to be resolved, which is typically unrelated to guilt or innocence. After the defendant losses in state court he can file a habeas in federal ct. but unless the state royally screwed up the application of state law or a federal constitutional error was violated, then that's the end of the road.


Thanks for the info. I was speaking more in line with death penalty appeals. Child rape/molestation should be a DP crime, imo. Just because the child may not've been murdered doesn't mean their childlike view of the world survived... It's a form of death for them. Imo, as always.

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Regarding sex offender registry and residency requirements, it's a mess. Teen boys who are convicted of having sex with their slightly younger but underage girlfriends are clumped together with pedophiles. In many states, neither can reside within a certain distance from schools, which means that many cities are wholly off limits. What happens is that they either move to one of the poorer suburbs or rural areas, which decrease property values in those areas, or they disappear. The police hate the residency laws cause they don't have the manpower and funds to track down those who go missing when they can't find housing.


It's people who falsely claim sexual abuse that need to have the book thrown at them. For every false claim it brings uncertainty to valid claims. An angry wife or husband who uses their children as pawns doesn't deserve to keep those children in their care. Abuse of a child, in any form, should be punishable by prison time. Prison. Not jail. Longer sentences will give them plenty of time to consider their reprehensible actions.
savvygirl
i live in a country that no longer has a death penalty.I do agree with it(which is why it is only given when the conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt),and the person convicted also has the right to appeal,so if there any reason why they were wrongly convicted,they have every opportunity to over turn their conviction.
I do also believe though the death penalty has not been in any way proven to be a satisfactory deterrent to murderer's ,but then again if you spoke to one that was about yo executed i am sure (sh** scarred)would be an understatement.
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