<-----new here, Hey everyone, I would like to share a personal phenomenon with like minds to further my research on an ongoing experience of mine. First I would like to say that I have had an extra sight/sense since an early age...around ten or so was when I saw my first entity, I awoke in my bed one night because i felt an extemly cold sensation over my body....sat up in bed and practically came face to face with a young ghost sitting atop my younger brothers bed post..this ghost had a strange resemblance to myself, and was seen from time to time in later years by myself and various members of my family, and when we sold our house the next owners called us one day claiming that their 3 yr old boy(who strangely had a unique resemblance to me and shared the same name as me) was seen time to time speaking with to an "invisible friend" that they descibed to their mother as a "young boy who played and told him things from time to time"...they wanted to know if any of us had had paranormal experiences in the house, I found this extemly exciting.....thus sparking my interest in the paranormal...i was around 16 at the time and am now turning 23.

A psychic dream that I had when i was young about my younger brother having an early demise due to heart problems struck me so hard that I pleaded with my mother to take him to the doctors the next day, amazingly they found that he had a rare heart condition that would have went unnoticed if i would not have dreamt it. This raised an exteme interest in dreams for myself..so i took up an interest in astral projection and dream study. within the year i began to have sucess with projecting my astral body, at first it was just floating around mu room and neighborhood in an extreme state of confused ecstasy, but with experience, research and practice for several years I have learned to control my astral travels to the point of flying through space and time and incredible speed and having conversations with spirits/entitys and bringing back information into the waking life with no knowledge of these topics before. Being an insomniac astral travel has filled my nights with joy, knowledge and the most amazing "high" Ive ever felt...it has helped me learn to control my thoughts,anxiety and kick my heroin/crack addiction that ruined my life. At some point in my asral trainig I began to notice that in my waking state I became increasingly psychic/clairvoyant....for example....hearing the phone ring before it does and Knowing who it is before i pick up....reaching in my pocket and pulling out the exact amount (down to the cent) for a purchase, pulling the exact amount of screws I needed out of my tool belt for a job without looking, knowing when bad thing are going to happen, and many more things which all happen repeatedly. The farther I explored the astral realm the more these things happened which gave me great hapiness and needless to say I was in awe of myself that I could do these things....this was the positive side, but as we all know for everything postive there is also a negative...unfortunate for me but true.

The first attack I had was one afternoon while i was taking a nap outside in the grass. I was enjoying my lucid dreams when suddenly a robed figure dressed in black came to me, I could see no face under the hood, just the teeth and jaw of a decrepid half decomposed skeleton,(looked kinda like my avatar) he pointed at me ant told me he was a "necromancer" from long ago and there was something he wanted from me...I had no idea what a necromancer was nor had i ever heard the word before, at this time I became extremly scared...and tried to thin him away or wake up, this was not possible, he wanted to speak to me more, but I was panicking trying to wake up, at this point my girlfriend said she heard me screaming in my sleep , twisting and turning, saying something about a "necromancer" over and over...she shook me, I awoke still mumbling" the necromancer,necromancer" . She asked me what this was and i told her i had no idea. I researched the word and found that it was a "being who could raise the dead and speak with them for esoteric information. At this point i was scared sh**less and decided not to project(voluntarily) for awhile. The next morning a clairvoyant friend of mine called me worried, and told me that in a lucid dream of his last night he had meet a hooded figure, whose teeth were the only thing visible, visit him asking about me. I asked him what he called himself, my friend replied" he sdaid he was a necromacer...thats when i got a little worried, I have always looked up to this friend and asked him waht to do...he told me no to project for a while and he would try to figure it out.

After awhile I felt saf and startted to AP again.Most were pleasent journeys , but every once and a while I would come into contact with several hideous evil beings who paralyzed me with fear and confusion. Now I am experiencing some of these entitys in the real world...a demon manifested in front of my eyes last year in my room, it was the most horrible experience of my life, i cryed for no reason for hours after he flew out the window leaving his sulfuric stench behind that everyon could smell, since then I have been constantly drained of energy, have high anxietys, depression and an impending feeling of doom. Im not myself and have nightmares everynight...is it possible that on my astral travels something could have followed me back if I was in a weakened state? neone else have these problems...?

they say that your senses become more aware or stronger by 10x, so fear and happiness become very strong emotions, but are you really afraid. negative energy so to speak will know your fear and use it against you, but it's only fear. nothing can hurt you out there but the thought is a very big obstacle. the lower planes are where they seem to dwell so raising your frequency should allow you to avoid them. think positive and of love, they avoid that, so i've been finding. get some sage and clean your aura and your home, change your own frame of mind, relax and remember that nothing can hurt you. become an observer, this will help you to realize that fear is fear.

the reason to burn sage

(The ritual of smudging can be defined as "spiritual house cleaning." In theory, the smoke attaches itself to negative energy and as the smoke clears it takes the negative energy with it, releasing it into another space where it will be regenerated into positive energy.)

(o cleanse and bless your house or apartment, again use the entire bundle to light. Open your front door. Go to the back of the house, and cover as much of the room as you can reach. Be sure to hold the bundle as high as you can. Don't forget the corners of the rooms. Work from the back toward the open door at the front. Go into every room, including bathrooms, closets, utility rooms, kitchen...everywhere. When you get to the front door, say "Anything not here for the highest and best good of those who live here, be gone. You are not wanted, and you are not welcome. This home has been cleansed and blessed." Then walk out the door, close it, and sage around the door and door frame. Leave the bundle outside to burn itself out. Make sure you put it on dirt, or on something that will not burn.)

Dude, first thing, paragraphs. Please? It will make reading posts much easier and Im sure everyone will appreciate it.

Second there is no evidence what so ever that astral projecting is anything more than lucid dreaming. Nothing could follow you back into this world when its all a dream.

Third you are an insomniac, a recovering crack/heroin addict, are now not acting yourself on top of having nightmares every night and have a track record of what most people would describe as hallucinations. For the love of toast man, go see a doctor. Seriously. If you want this stuff to go away and to feel better do not post on some forum where people will give you advice on how to banish the demon, cleanse your soul or any of that non sense. Go to someone who has a proven track record of healing people. A real honest to goodness doctor or specialist will probably get this all straightened right out.

The best of luck to you....

Kevin A.

it's all clear to me now, everything is explainable through drugs, if anything happens to us that we cannot explain or understand, we now have something to blame, drugs. since i don't do drugs, i guess i better start now, sarcastically speaking anyhow.

Well then. Chronic insomnia can lead to hallucinations. Insomnia, nightmares, hallucinations, depression, anxiety etc etc. These symptoms don't point towards some critter he brought back from the astral world. They point to some sleep disorder or that something is medically wrong with him. Something that could most likely be diagnosed and treated by someone trained in medicine.

Also he admits to be a recovered or recovering drug addict. Yeah drugs are good for you and don't have any lasting effects like some of the things he described. Nope none at all.

Im not blaming the drugs. At least not in the way you are going on about.

Kevin A.

I can relate to some of Astral's experiences, cloaked figures etc, I have these accounts in my topics. I also had a short period of drugs as well. But I'd had these experiences before I had the short spell of drug taking. The amphetamins I took merely gave some very strange experiences, in one case 360 degree vision, enhanced hearing, multiple personalities whilst viewing my self from a ceiling, simply on a class B drug. My reactions was entertaining to my friends around me. I have very real like dreams, many of which are flying dreams, I have visited the places I have been in my dreams and found them to be real places. I have always seen my body eminating a form of smoke or mist as I have commented on. I once heard a conversation in one such dream and even told the participators of the conversation as to the content of their conversation to their utter disbelief to the fact I wasn't earwigging but asleep in another location at the time.

all i can tell you is that a friend of mine has had a lot of experience with drugs, in one way it has opened his mind to more of the unknown then ever. he doesn't use drugs now but maybe it has effected him. drugs can cause alternate awareness of things that are not real, however real they seem. he also stated that it started happening around the age of ten, so would that also mean drug use what in effect. just a thought, we don't know much and i'm sure the more that we learn makes us know even less.

Well one of the things I got from reading the post is that things have gotten worse over time. Things originally were warm and fuzzy but now are cold and dark. To me this screams like a medical condition that has gotten worse. Perhaps the high he was feeling before was really a precursor to some medical condition. Kind of like some drug use, yeah sure it seems great at first but then the bad stuff starts creeping in. Im not extremely well versed in medicine but I could see where this may be a possibility and the longer it has gone on the worse the condition became. I don't know if the drug use coincided with things getting worse but Im thinking it may have. My advice for him to go see a doctor still stands. This sounds to me more like a medical condition than anything.

Also you are right there is a lot we don't know. He put quite a few claims into one of his first posts. Im just not buying any of it here. It just doesn't read right and I don't think coming back here to explain will help things. Again if this is the truth Im thinking something is medically wrong or the whole thing is made up. Its a father fanciful tale you have to admit.....

Kevin A.

I sometimes feel that some drugs can enhance the senses to such a degree its possible to see or sense things that are REAL.

During the Beatles period of drug taking their music was so good you could even be mistaken for wondering whether it was so good they were touched by God.

Of course Insanity would inevitably set in, I supposed thats what happened to Hendrix

how do we know that if someone really believes something that it isn't true for them, weather we have the experience or not isn't the issue. in life there is always a point of view.

I won't read the article until someone would fix it in some matter that it is not an eye harassment .
and based on the replies/comments this is about a man in drugs? and is experiencing severe depressions and hallucinations?

Jesus H Christ...First off I would like to apologize for my grammar, Ill try to remember. Second I am not some young forum flaming liar. I have no reason to "make up a fairy tale" It seems to me that some people here are so skeptic that they feel the need to instill their "facts" on others to change their minds. Third I started to AP in my teens before I got into heavy Drugs, I have many experiences with Hallucinagens of all types and I can tell a drug hallucination from a paranormal event.


I cant tell you how happy I was when I got on this site today to find 10 replys to an issue that I consider serious. Only to find a bunch of trash and people calling me either a liar or a drug addict. I see a doctor, addiction specialist and psychiatrist, they just keep telling me to see a neurologist, unfortunately I have no health insurance and my bills are already running a feww hundred a week. Thank you MarkSteven for your credible reply, I do smudge and bless my home, my attacks arent as frequent as they were as Im learning new defenses, I just cant seem to get off the lower onto the upper astral plane....any advice?....I have recieved private messages from a member who is seriously trying to help me..."Second there is no evidence what so ever that astral projecting is anything more than lucid dreaming. Nothing could follow you back into this world when its all a dream.".......this could be true KevinA...but tell me have you ever astral projected? have you felt the sensation and control that you have while APing? I can tell the difference when I know im dreaming or actually in a completely conscious state, the only thing sleeping when I AP is my body, not my mind.


The thing that bothers me the most is for u to think that I would come to a sight seriously seeking help, write a post that took me a hALF HOUR (slow typer) just to write a tale of fiction for your amusement, no hard feelings, I know your just giving your opinion, but if you havent experienced a true Out of body experience, which people have accounted for thousands of years, than ur opinions is just the same thing Ive heard from every other person ridiculing me for my "insane beliefs and practices" .

I should have made it clear that I wasnt looking for a "demon banisher". Im a well educated man who prefers the spiritual way of healing and defenses, rather than "conventional" methods of todays doctors...

AstralZombie,

Take a breathe man. Relax. You are new here and Im not sure you lurked around this site. Do some back reading into the forums here. You will learn a lot of who is who and how we each present ourselves. Just take a breathe and leave the attitude and emotion behind.

Thank you for going back and editing your post. Grammar is not really important but a solid knowledge of how to spell and paragraph structure will ensure people read your post and take you seriously. For example if someone posts like a 12 year old texting on their cell phoney then they will be treated like one. You do yourself a favor by presenting your posts as best as possible.Again thank you for the edit.

Now we do not know who you are. You are a no body. Just like me and everyone else here. We dont know who you are, yet. You can only get to know people on any forum by hanging around a while and having time to interact with them. You will have to forgive me for considering the thought that you are making this up. If you do some back reading into the forums you will see that it would certainly not be the first time some kid came here, pretended to be older and made up a story for one reason or another. It has happened numerous times. For you to take a half hour out of your life to write a post is nothing. I have seen pretenders go on for days, weeks and yes even years pretending to me someone they are not.

Also I questioned whether you are lying(see above and read why again) and noted you are a recovering/recovered addict by your own admission. This is far from being out of line here my friend. Im sorry if you do not have insurance and are unable to see a neurologist. Until you do see one and get the proper tests ran we can not rule out this incredibly likely possibility. On one hand you have a medical problem, on the other something bad may have followed you home from the astral plane. Which one is more likely? I personally think the former.

As for your question. No, I have never astral projected. I have had very vivid dreams along with lucid dreams. I have, on more than one occasion, went for my pistol and flashlight because someone was near my bed or doing something to a loved one in the house. In the dream I wake up, go for my gear and get it in hand. Thats when I actually wake up into the real world about half way to my gear. Other times Ive made it nearly all the way or woken up into the real world fighting off the person/thing in my dream.

Again I have never APed though I have tried. Just never worked for me really and my lucid dreams are few and far between. The line between the dream world and the real world can get kind of muddled at times. Dreams can be incredibly vivid and you can have lucid dreams. This really seems to be all APing is. A vivid lucid dream. Everything that has ever been studied seems to confirm this. It is nothing that special and is certainly not a venture into another realm of exitance. I hate to speak the skeptics mantra but if its real, prove it. Please?

Now I have a few questions for you. How exactly did you learn of APing while in your teens? Exactly how is a paranormal event different from a drug induced hallucination? How do you know its one and not the other? You say you were APing before you got into drugs. Did these bad feelings or things only start happening after the drugs? Please try and be honest here. I must be going now but please, let us discuss this.....

Kevin A.

AstRalZoMbie, seems to me that if there is something out there trying to scare you, it's because it's feeding off the fear. instead of protection you might think of prevention, people seem to manifest their own monsters because of something they are afraid of. not that it's a monster at all but fear itself. frame of mind, if you are at peace while in a transit, there should be no reason for anything negative to be around you. i read somewhere that love will drive away negative energy. sound like mind over matter sort of thing but i can't think of anything else, that's how you affect your chakras. i don't know what your intentions are while you are out there either, they say that there is nothing to worry about and there isn't a judge and jury out there waiting for you to do something wrong, but our own mind can be our own worst enemy. they say you need to clean your self and your surroundings, leaving on a bad mood can result in a bad experience, but that's a frame of mind. bad to one might not be bad to another, just an experience.

i also find it interesting that people say, when they have not projected themselves, that you can't or that isn't what's going on or prove it to me before i believe that. just find someone that has or does ap and in another room write something down on a piece of paper that only you will know about or see, tell them from another room to go and look to see what is written. when they come back and tell you what it was, would you believe or just call it a coincidence. i still think that's the fear of the unknown, if you don't believe that anything is possible, call up the monroe institute and tell them their wasting their time and money. they do ap research and development.

most people have done it because of some sort of life threatening event, they look back and see their body, how is that lucid. a dream is a dream but i would think that people would know the difference, i know that i do. most dreams are random, lucid means that you are in some control over the dream. but if you start to see real events, like the time or something that matches when you wake, would that not be proof to the person aping.

as far as how to, just do a simple search on google or someting, you would be amazed in how much information there is on it.

again, waste of time or personal exploration?

AstralZombie

How about confronting this entity. Maybe he does have something important to tell you. Since you have attained a higher level of awareness, you are able to communicate with beings who may be able to teach you something. Well, it is natural for the bad guys to show up before the good guys. You said he was a necromancer, maybe he has something to teach you. I don't know. Appearances can be misleading you know. Try to confront them without fear but with understanding. Be brave.

Actually, what I myself was planning to learn this about a year ago. But I stopped due to reasons that I am afraid would happen, like for example what happened to you. I was just beginning to practice astral projection last year and many horrifying things started to happen that scared the crap out of me. My awareness in the dream world is already at a higher degree, and my dream control has also increased. I'm just afraid something like that would happen to me. Although some things have already happened. I just considered them to be hallucinations or the effect of sleep paralysis, which is makes me less scared.

How about telling us you're experiences on the Astral realms, share things that you have learned. If they allow you to.

This is nothing more than speculation. You have provided nothing to back up your claim and it is thus ignored.



Some have suggested that AstralZombie's astral experiences are a result of the drugs he has taken. I'd like to point out that in my experience, drugs and/or alcohol actually hinder astral projection. As for insomnia, I have seen no evidence to suggest it can cause hallucinations of even remotely enough strength or vividity as to pass as an astral projection.

AstralZombie, Kevin is right in advising you seek help. Find a spritiual healer of some kind with a good reputation. A good exercise is to imagine yourself surrounded by a protecting white light. Ask that your guides be there for you. If you are religious, pray for protection. Deal with your insomnia and keep off the drugs.

Ziggy

Careful there Ziggy. That phrase could be used by a skeptic every time someone brings up a topic in this forum. Doest make for good conversation now does it? Also do not make me reiterate that the burden of proof is on the one making fantastic claims.

Where is the proof Ziggy? What am I missing here? What big steaming heap of proof am I missing and people here that believe in APing have failed to produce? Show me what contradicts what I said, that its all a dream. Please, enlighten me.....

Kevin A.

First i would like to thank everyone for there input. KevinA I meant no harshness or "attitude' in my comment its just hard for me when im written off as A liar for something someone doesnt understand. In respone to your ?s......I first learned of AP through a topic on a TOTSE forum. I had experienced OBEs before but never voluntarily...when I saw that other people did this and there was a name for it I was so interested i began to read books on the topic and saw the movie "Waking Life" which is a must for anyone interested in this topic.

In respone to distinguishing an AP from drug hallucination is easy.....When Youve done the amount and variety of drugs I have you get used to them and know what to look for....most psychadelics lsd, mushrooms,2cb,extacy (unless used in a extreme dose) do not produce interactive visuals or change the entire physical world and laws of nature( Ive never flown out the window and ro rhe stars while tripping) some strong hallucinagens can though such as DMT,High amounts of DXM, peyote and the strongest of all 20x salvia, take you on a voyage where time, space, and physical existence have no meaning, these drugs can bend all laws of reality and have you in a realm of physical impossibilitys, confusion, or leave your consciousness in different animate/inanimate objects for what seems like billions of year but what is really only 20-30 min...utter minblow, surpassing anything I have ever experienced while projecting.

My drug usage affected my projections according to the type of drug,amount and whether addiction was a factor at the time.

For example....When I would use heroin for fun or casually I found that it put my mind and body in such a deep state of relaxion that I would often float away with no effort at all...these projections were warm, slow and generally pleasant projections but often restrictive( I would have trouble passing through walls,leaving my neighborhood and could not seem to move from the etheral to the astral plane. When I was horribly physically addicted to heroin I found that I was such an empty person that I could not really project at all. I think this is because my addiction took every ounce of creativity and will from my soul. My spirit was numb, my only motivation was to keep from getting dopesick. No personal will.


Crack and Cocaine would often keep my mind active for hours after my body would get tired and fall asleep...although it sometimes helped me to leave my body, the projections were mostly speedy, uncontrolable trips of confusion. Crack oftens produces a feeling of "floating" I can compare to AP. Many people I know would describe a feeling of leaving their body at night after using crack cocaine.

Pcp and ketamine would have me so spaced out that I would already be "out of my body" you really have no control on deliariants .....both produced OBEs for me on their own....nasty drugs tho.

Hallucinagens such as LSD, mushrooms , DXM, peyote and 2cb...I found would inspire my creative side immensly, while APing on hallucinagens I always found these to be the most free-willed and spiritual experiences...Ive been to some wonderous places while hallucinating and projecting at the same time...almost as it opened a realm of its own off pure artistic experience.

Strong hallucinagens such as salvia extract and DMT...were completely mind blowing trips for me...while tripping on these substances, space, time, existence and structure of all forms were questioned....I had no Idea what it even meant to be human or what life was, physical dimensions lost form and a sort of insane bliss took place under these drugs....my whole chemical structure was rearranged..and I did not even know who/what or where I was. These trips toatally changed my views on reality...a life changing experince on a higher level than AP to me.

extacy made me feel so warm and happy all I wanted to do was hang out with my female friends and be intimate with each other or dance around with glosticks and techno music ..lol

Marijuana has been a part of my day for 10 yrs now....I do not abuse it, I find it keeps me from spazzing out, keeps me from using hard drugs, it opened my eyes to the world I know and had never seen, it helps me meditate for AP despite what most people say.

I really dont drink alcohol, a few beers here and there, I consider this the worst drug.

Currently I am prescribed Seroquel(tranquilizer/anxiety),suboxone(opiate withdrawl/pain), clonidine(high blood pressure/sedative/sleep) and trazedone.I really dont take the trazedone tho...at first these meds were hard to project under because theu used to just knock me out, but now I am used to them and slowly weening off(except seroquel)....

over all drugs are not good to use while Aping except hallucinagens in my opinion.

couldnt have been said better...thanks I do use white light (or others depending on my intent).......I have sought help, but there is none to be found, doctors dont know what to say, if I could only find a good spiritual healer, I need a shaman to work out my problems with me...I just have no idea how to get in touch with someone who is truly uniquely gifted in this state.

Hi Kevin, how are you?

I was simply saying that I have yet to see any valid proof which verifies your claim that astral projection is in fact lucid dreaming. Thus it is just speculation. As for proof of Astral Projection, there is no satisfying proof for that either. There have been tests and experiments here and there, which do not allow the possibility of AP to be ruled out, (PM me if you're interested,) but nothing which actually proves that the soul can leave the body.

Ziggy

Did you stop using drugs after your first astral projection? It is only your fear that gives them power. Try reading up on pshychic self defense. (I have an ebook I could email you which contain some information)

I believe that spiritual development needs to come before we astrally project as this will help a great deal with negative entities.
What philosophy do you subscribe to? The books I have read have helped a lot to get rid of negative thoughts and other negative influence in my life.

My first AP I had a dweller experience as described in the book by Don de Garcia. That was really scary. After reading the books I have read (which are eastern philosophy - Yogi Ramacharaka - www.manybooks.net) I was able to take what the writer said regarding The "I am consciousness" and build a positive powerfull personality which helps against negative influences both from
inside yourself and outside.

Yes you can bring negative entities or influences with you. They can only affect you if you fear and give them power. Also lower
forms of emotion by yourself will strengthen their hold on you.

I would suggest meditation whereby you cleanse youself off all negative emotions and see yourself as the centre of your Universe
See yourself at the centre (see Raja Yoga by Yogi Ramacharaka ) with and endless amount of space , stars planets and forces at your command. (Note you are not imagining you are God only that you are the master of your universe)

Also see yourself on a throne with your emotions, physical body, mind and astral body kneeling before you. This will increase your sense of power over your own universe.

See yourself as a centre of power , consciousness and love (universal love , divine love )
See also yourself as passing through rain, fire (the sun) and wind and not being harmed.
Do not think of yourself as anything such as mind , body or astral body but as beyond all these things and of being infinite, immortal and wise (These are attributes of your higher self)


When you next see these entities love them but be firm and dismiss them for you know who you are. Do not fear .
(For a full account of this meditation read Raja Yoga by Yogi Ramacharak and also the other books by this author)

Alternatively use the ebook that I could email to you. I prefer Ramacharaka. These are not all that you can do to protect you ,
but it has worked for me. I also do not agree with all that are written in these books and do not wish to impose these ideas on you.

I merely offer them as helping tools for your condition which I know will worsen if you do not take action.
Hope this was helpfull to you . Please post back and I will be glad to help more if I can.

Almost forgot. Yes you should take kevin A's suggestion and see a docter if you have not already done so. There is no harm in getting checked up. Although my previous post was more spiritualistic I am also a realist and with your history this might be a good idea. (Drugs do a lot of damage to the body)

Also the idea of a spiritual healer is good as well.

Hope to hear from you soon on this post.

there is some evidence, many people have met friends in the astral realm and discuassed it the next day, remembering what had happend and what they talked about there.

i believe you can banish the demon, though you mentioned a few of the drugs your taking so it would be wise to see if they cause hallucinations, also the fact that your friend also met this necromancer thing is definatly a sign that your not hallucinating or imagineing it.

Thank you to everyone for your excellent advice, but for the record I am no longer an addict, Ive left behind my hang ups to better advance my spiritual life. I have had no recent attacks from this being...I have already been feeling better just from discussing this problem with like minds also I think that by surrounding myself with positiveness as much as possible, and practicing deeper meditations to expand my psychic defenses has helped for the time being....heinrich I would like a copy of that ebook...my email is tehmisfit@gmail.com..thanx. If I have another "encounter" soon , which I pray I wont, I will post back..

Please use proper punctuation and spelling. It is easier to understand. Yes there are different point of views, but people do lie. ALWAYS question.

Thats your problem right there.

Dude, find somewhere else to post your ignorance, why must every skeptic feel the need to instill your "truths" on other people? Both your posts do nothing for me...I go to the doctor, take there meds, and let them heal me physically. But sometimes I need to be healed spiritually, for reasons I wouldnt expect you to understand, because I "believe" that you are either too scared, emotionally/spiritually numb, or perhaps you just dont have the brain capacity to experience what some of us have, and no my "problem" is not that Im neglecting my "conventional doctors" advice, but is rather an issue that you just cant understand......why would you make a post that obviously means nothing to me, and is just an attack on my "unconventional" beliefs....and yes people do lie...but none of us no each other here so in my opinion we have to think of every post as either the truth or a lie...but without some form of trust, every account on a paranormal website would have to be written off as fiction in a skeptics eye, which leads me to question why you would even be here.? Are you here just to "prove us wrong"...or do you expect to gain something with your disbelief?

very well said, it seems skeptics only have one thing to say if the can't comprehend anything, it's either hallucinations or madness, either one, no one is free to post what they truly believe without prejudice.

I personally dont see a reason you would lie, so I'll accept it.
As far as I know, what happens in astral, stays in astral. Although I would recommend looking farther into the "Necromancer" part.
"robed figure dressed in black came to me, I could see no face under the hood, just the teeth and jaw of a decrepid half decomposed skeleton,(looked kinda like my avatar) he pointed at me ant told me he was a "necromancer" from long ago and there was something he wanted from me"
A necromancer from long ago? Did he mention how long ago? (xD)
According to wikepedia "Necromancy (Greek νεκρομαντία, nekromantía) is a form of divination in which the practitioner seeks to summon "operative spirits" or "spirits of divination", for multiple reasons, from spiritual protection to wisdom. The word necromancy derives from the Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía), "divination"."

This is pure guesswork, but it seems to be hes summoning you, since while dreaming we can assume you are in the astral plane, as is he. The fact that he was a skeleton is somewhat odd, according to most ghost-related-incidents the.. people involved claim to see perfectly intact spirits. Although I remember watching a documentary where, after taking an image of a ghost whos face appeared in the window, sharpening the image revealed a hooded white skeleton.

Back to your problem. P= I suggest trying to find out, in more detail what exactly he wants from you.

Holy hell dude. Seriously now. I am not trying to be funny here but damn man. You wonder why you see things? Taking into consideration your hardcore background in drug use we can not have a serious discussion about any of your experiences then or now until you get completely checked over by ever medical specialist known to man. How can we discuss this when taking into the consideration the immense damage likely to be encountered from such a resume as yours?




Ziggy, let us look at it like this. We know lucid dreaming is real and science can verify this. One could theorize that APing is a specific type of lucid dream brought on by chance, natural ability, environmental causes, or practice/wanting to have an OBE/AP event. It could even include a type of consciousness not yet understood. This is a step in a logical direction. A step from solid science onto a solid science based theory. A good direction to go into.

Now theorizing that APing involves the bodies spirit/soul, extra dimensions besides our own, "higher" dimensions, states of being science doesnt even begin to consider possible, creature/entities living in these dimensions that are spiritual/good/evil/guides/light beings or whatever, being able to interact with things in our world that show up in the astral world/plane etc etc. This is not a step in a good direction. This is not a step off of a science base of dreams and consciousness onto a solid science based theory. No this is a hop, skip, jump, frolic, cartwheel, 50 meter dash and pole vault into the complete opposite direction.

Even if there is no evidence for either, do you see my point? A step in a solid direction while remaining theory until researched and a leap into the opposite direction that may not even be able to be researched.




Could you please cite these people who have met each other in the astral realm and discussed it the next day? If such a thing could occur it should be rather easy to research and come up with interesting results.




(emphasis is mine)

Careful what you say AstralZombie. That could be read as an insult by the powers that be. You need to go back into the forums and read or hang around a bit longer. Do some reading and you will realize who Eric is and why he posts what he does. He just seems to deliver his thoughts in nice and often humorous one liners. Stick around a little while and do some reading. You will come to understand....perhaps even appreciate this.....


Kevin A.

Anyone is free to post what they will here but we are all just as free to reply to that post as long as it is within the rules and it remains on topic. Also if someone is willing to discuss something here they should expect to hear from all sides of an argument. All sorts of ideas, opinions and perhaps even statements of fact or even more beliefs.

And no its not just always either hallucination or madness but we have to rule those two things out before we start talking about extra dimensions and what not...

Oh and that one and only thing us skeptics have to say, you do realize that its the one thing causing the rift between "skeptics and believers" right? There is a reason we ask for it and depend on it. Otherwise its blind belief all around....

Kevin

Kevin, in my opinion, thats where you are wrong. A fair level of skeptism is good, but numerous people completely
deny the existence of certaub subjects going on in this forum.

But if there is an absolute and total lack of evidence for said subjects and we only have vague experiences or personal opinion/belief to go on what is one supposed to do? If all the evidence there is are fanciful stories and whatnot how are we to believe? Believe just because? What if science offers a complete and rational explanation? What if science hints at a explanation and belief proudly proclaims "the" explanation? What if there are other options?

I think we really need to start realizing that this is not a two sides coin. It has many facets as there are people. Some of us just have belief. Others what science tells them. Still others have both and a mix of the two.

Some of us deny things because our beliefs tell us to. Others because science tells us it can not be based on current understanding. Other still because it just doesn't make sense in the least bit when looked at from our perspective.

I thought everyone here was free to share what they believe, think, know or otherwise. Perhaps thats really not the way it is after all......

Kevin

Kevin, everyone IS free to share, yet skeptics DONT let them share their BELIEFS. Not without mentioning that they are on drugs or something similiar. (I know he really IS on drugs, according to him though, hes clean now)
Kevin, you seem to take everything for granted. For all we know, science is wrong. For all we know. Whats sticks us to earth is willpower and hope.
According to Muhammad (the messenger [Im not muslim by the way]) he saw an angel that told him about Allah. There is no evidence, yet it is Believed to be true.

yeah thats the problem, if we do mention out stories here we will be called mad e.t.c so i don't post here anymore, i'm looking for a more open forum than this one.

it's all a matter of prospective, so if someone doesn't believe that anything IS possible, then who cares what they think lol.

Is it so horrible to question? No it is not. I don't believe in religion so that point is moot to me.

First off, my experimentation with major drugs was really only a five year period, This is not very much but i can see how it would seem extensive to a person who has never really experimented with drugs, I know people who have been using hallucinagens and other drugs for 30+yrs and they run succesfull businesses and besides the drugs fairly "normal" lives, second, I have seen a host of Psychiatrists/psychologists.detox docs,and general practitioners, they have all concluded that the only permenent damage I have suffered in in my nasal cavity and Ive lost a great deal of my taste/smell senses, they find me mentally fit, besides some anxiety/sleep problems and a sensitivity to bright flashing lights....my post on drug usage/how it affected my spiritual life was purely informational as many people had asked me about this. So my sanity is not really the question at hand, many people accept this and are willing to discuss my experiences without predjudice. If you cant take me seriously and everything you post refers to my mental state...than you can do nothing for me except add insult to injury.


Second my post to Eric was just me "stating what I believe" like he was. I told him how I felt in a civilized manner. Just as he has the right to express his nihilistic views. I have a right to express mine and ask him to not post sentences that I find not only off topic, but insultive to every "believer" who has been told time and time again that "its all in your head"....skeptics have no effect on my beliefs, so why must they feel the need to interupt a serious conversation between believers to prove us wrong, or question EVERYTHING like they do. For what purpose? so we all can be converted to faithless miserable people who are constantly looking for a purpose?

You know I really AM on drugs, but according to me Im clean........Is this statement implying that Im lying about my soberness and you believe that Im still using? If not Im sorry for the misinterpretation, but this would be the worst thing to say to me, considering I fought very hard to kick my own habits, and haw would you know if I am still using?.....once again I think this may be me reading your atatement wrong and do correct me if so

Agreed, although some people, after seeing the high post count are strongly intimidated to believe those people know everything. xD (Me included. >_> )


I was implying your not anymore. If you are/I stated it wrong. I apologize. ._.

Thanks for the compliments.

No Jake, I dont take many things for granted. It is the "believers" out there that take a great many things for granted. When the chips are down and everything is going to hell I trust the one thing I have always been able to count on. That is science. I have proved science for myself, researched and done experiments. Its is a very real thing that can easily be proven. Though I still am well aware of its limitations.

For all we know a great deal of science can be independently proven and does not rely on belief. Sure some scientific theories are more belief than science but at least they are working to prove their beliefs and don't get all emotion when proven wrong. Also I know you were being funny but if willpower and hope are all that kept us earth bound, every 8 year old with an imagination would be flying about the sky as we speak.

Also do not attempt to use belief systems or religions to prove a point. That is just not going to fly for a multitude of reasons. Yes, before you ask, I am an atheist.



Its all a matter of perspective, so if someone is willing to believe that ANYTHING is possible, then who cares what they think? It can and does go both ways.....



AZ,

You see thats the problem. You can not use the example of people who have used drugs for long periods of time and seemingly have no problems. I know people that have had serious and let me tell you serious problems after ONE dose of said drug. One dose and death resulting along with 30 years and no problems are the two extremes. You can not use either one to strengthen an argument.

You say yourself that you have been directed to go to an neurologist but can not afford one unfortunately. With out seeing every specialist possible we can not rule out the possibility of damage that is causing some of your problems. Even with seeing all specialists possible there is still the very best chances this is a medical reason for this. Take the two sides and look at them like I did elsewhere here. You have solid science with modern medicine but it has it limits and this could fall outside of them. Then you have the beliefs and these are baseless when taken outside the world of belief. Which is more likely? Something possibly falling just outside of modern medicine or hitherto unknown worlds/planes/realms/creatures/entities/abilities etc etc.

I am not questioning your sanity. You seem lucid enough here. I am questioning damage to your brain though. Anyone being presented your history would do the same. From doctors to we here on the net

Now as for you more or less going on about some of us being faithless miserable people lost in this world looking for purpose. Again it can go both ways with some of these stereotypes. I assure you I am neither lost nor miserable though I am faithless. I depend and rely on things that are not faith based but fact based. From day to day life to when the chips are down and my back is against the wall I rely on fact and not faith. I am perfectly happy with what I know and am not in the least bit lost. I also know my purpose in this world....

Kevin A.

i think i shall create a topic on it, just to get some clarrification, otherwise the sources iv been reading/listening to have been wrong, most of the sources are random astral projection websites and others are podcasts. i'll see if i can track down some for the topic.

sure, my uncle is really into science and physics, he really didn't believe in god mainly because everything has to start somewhere. i quickly said "take away light and tell me when something starts. for us, light and the rotation of earth makes our time, how can something start without it?" that really changed his outlook, is there a higher being or god? why not? then do we have a soul, can we be just wandering around aimlessly with no purpose or is that our goal, to try and find out? there is many things unanswered and that might be the reason for science, but even all that we know, we cannot explain more than we can. doesn't that bring up even more questions, who what where why how... the only reason for science is to prove what you can't prove lol, i think there is more to it. sometimes there doesn't even need to be an answer. is astral travel possible, prove it isn't. how do you move your hand, arm or body, after time these are just things you do and you don't think about it at all. how is that even possible, everything is controlled by the brain haha, that's funny because the brain is mostly water. how does it work lol, we may never know, but science will be there.

Astral

I've seen things to a far less degree [5 min of what will be in a month]
the rest im not sure i m beyond lucid
now i teach[learn] things about exitence to myself

But before this I ve seen
my avatar of pasion agreat dragan
of serenity[peace] the most beutiful woman singing from the soul[literallt]
and
FEAR a great mass of dark energy with an eye that turns your hatred and fear against 1000 fold

to the point when stepping out you DO NOT bring all this home

it comes from within you
because your mind is trying to grow and comprhend your own soul and its rightful place

my advice finish the meeting it may yield something then write it dowN and then reflect research and remember all that this means to you

[his shape will change BUT the feeling of terror will be the same.]

note what i describe is willful reconstruction [and can only work in lucid or astral form]

maybe too strong on that one

[should dummy down]

well those expriences when you were young shows that you are psychic. But can you control it or is it only sometimes? where you have the expriences?

They really don't show anyting.