Is it just the same as sleeping? I know this topic is not new. But I just want to get your opinions and everything.

Well, yes, you could say this, because when you sleep, you unconciously - or conciously - go to the 'Astral Plane' of existence. This is where your spiritual body always resides. You have a vehicle - your body if you will, and your spirit utilizes this body to exist on the Physical Plane of existence. When you die, your spiritual body simply separates from your physical body and roams the spirit world, never to return to the physical.
So when you sleep, yes, you are "dead" in a sense, but still connected to your physical body and can return back. This happens every night, to everybody and everything that exists.
You can train yourself to Astral Project at will. You then have access to the spiritual realm where you can learn alot from your spiritual guides.
All your dead loved ones are there, awaiting you, and when you go there and call out for them, they will appear for you. Its simply magic, and meeting the Son of the Almighty really makes you smile.

So, is this what really happens? Im troubled.

It's as much a fairy tale as Heaven and Hell.

I like to think of life after death as the place you were before you were born. Non-existence.

well dude... you roam in spirit world ...when your dead... and wait for your judgment..
whether u go to hell or heaven

There is no judgement, i cant stress that more.....

I think the same. Oblivion after death.

judgement what judgement? i see you didn't earn enough money to go into heaven,

forget worrying about dieing and live, your gonna die so nothing really matters

The question of judgement and hell comes up a lot.

This is what I think "hell" is. Indulge me for a moment:

When I was a kid, I remember shooting a gold finch with a pellet gun and killing it. I felt nothing and thought it was fun. I killed a lot of things as a kid.

When I was in my early 20's, I received a false positive on an HIV test. for three weeks, while other tests were done, I thought I was under a death sentence.
Suddenly, I felt horrible about every animal I had hunted and killed. I have never killed another animal for amusement since then, and never will ever again.


I think that when we die, the limitations of our own human mind are removed and we see "what is" as we rejoin a collective existance. In the same way my false HIV positive opened me up to the empathy of death, I think that when we die, all our human enablers--justification, the ego, rationalization of the evil we do, etc..-- are removed, and we see the good and the evil we did. The regret must be agony.


this is what I believe Hell to be. An honest and clear understanding of your own life. If you did evil, it would be horrible. If you did good, it would be wonderful. Heaven and hell.

You die, the end. And, until this time of passing a person is making nothing more than guesses and assumptions as to whats
beyond the realm of death.

As far as death is concerned, don't dwell on it! It's inevitable anyway. Just live life to the fullest, and make the best with the
time you do have.


Regards,
Tom

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Every time I see this topic brought up I really want to reply but the bottom line is you cant prove scientifically whether you go on after death or not but that said I have more than strong opinions on the subject through personal experience. Its amazing that some people take a huge leap of faith by making blanket statements like "You die, The end!". Lets start by looking at the science we do know. Neurologists understand that describing consciousness in purely classical neural electrical and biological phenomena alone doesnt cut the mustard, there is just more going on there. As research progresses it seems apparent that there is a holographic component to brain function.

The science aside I personally have not one doubt that the energy which is you survives physical death. I believe this because I firmly believe that the physical world we perceive is purely a creation of outr consciousness. Without consciousness the universe would only exist in probability. I myself had a NDE a few years back and experienced things impossible to put into words. It was not my time to leave this existence and I came back but what I experienced at the time was as real as anything I ever exprienced. I can only say keep an open mind and understand that it takes as much faith to believe that death means lights out as it does to believe consciousness goes on.

Depends on your religion. If you are Christian you'll go to heaven or hell. Same with Islam. If you have no religion, then maybe you will just fade away into oblivion. Me, I follow Asatru, so hopefully I'll end up in Valhalla.

hmm that's a toughy question, no one truly knows what happens after we die. the most devoat and religous priests and the most stubborn of atheists have much in common, no matter how long they live, no matter how they were brought up, and no matter what they believe in the will question it very seriously atleast once. Priest are human too, they must ask themselves on occassion what if there is nothing what if my faith is wrong. The Atheist will question too he or she will have a moment when they think there has to be something more then just to blink into nothingness. These questions are normal and essential to strengthing or changing your ideas all together. In my opinioni'd like to think there is consiousness after death. But what is after life like? nothingness, eternal bliss, an avergage day, a start or a new mortal life, immense pain and suffereing or something we can't even begin to imagine.No matter what you believe in try to find happiness in your beliefs no matter what they may be. The next person may not have the same beliefs as you but that doesn't mean you should think less of them because of it. The other has full entitlement to their opinion so before you try to convert to your beliefs someone please don't be so ignorant, try to place yourself in their shoes, think if i believed in this and was happy would i want someone to preach at me and critisize me over and over?

Unfortunatley we have to decide for ourselves and if possible come to terms with pur own mortality if you can't then all religeons have and afterlife!

Dying is a part of life!

The point is that no one knows. Not one person.

We all guess and try to predict, but the only thing we do know for sure is that no one has been able to report back to us and let us know for certain.

Unless you watch John Edwards of course, but....

i think it's too much for me to think about.

i mean. we're so complex and our minds are so.. i can't explain it.

there can't just be "NOTHING" when we die.

there's far too much for there to be nothing.

we're too much.

I don't know for sure but maybe when you die, you experience the effect you had on everybody you ever known, good or bad.

Well, first off no one can tell you because no one has come back from being dead to tell you what it is. And even if someone did die and was maraculously revived 2 years later they won't be able to tell you because their physical brain won't have that information.

Consider this.. Its logical to assume that you will enter the same state you were in before you were born. Because of the limitations of this reality you won't ever actually be able to "remember" anything from it. Before you were born you were potential energy if you will.. Now you are kinetic and when you die you'll return back to potential I would think. This would mean that reincarnation is probable but consider that this may not be the only reality/universe you can exist in. If more than one universe is possible then more physical conciouss beings are possible.. The conciousness of an animal is very similiar to that of your own except that you have a different brain to interpret what you experience. Logically the conciousness of another being in an alternate reality/dimension etc. would be similiar to that of our own so you would have the potential of being "born" (that might be a limitation of this reality) into that state.

To be honest, I wouldn't worry myself too much about what is in the next form of existance/non-existance/hell/heaven whatever. No matter what you do you will die eventually and you will or won't experience something more. It doesn't really matter how much you contemplate it now because it will happen eventually. If you are truely worried become a christian or budhist and live a happy life knowing that you are possibly full filling your life. If anything you will live a happy and full life . All I can hope for is that I die happy and without questions. Whatever does or doesn't come next.. Well, I'll see when I get there (to be honest the prospect scares me a bit but you get that lol)

Just to clarify something, I don't think being dead is like sleeping at all. Sleeping is something that your brain requires to regenerate somehow . Your brain dies when "you" die, it doesn't need sleep anymore its gone dead. We can't know what it will "feel" like. Its like trying to describe the wonderful sensation of free falling with a beautiful view of the world on a warm sunny day to a person who can only hear. They just can't truely appreciate it.

I totally agree. According to some well respected researchers such as Karl Pribram and David Bohm the universe itself is a form of internally generated holographic projection of the observer's mind. Indeed Pribram suggests that the brain itself works on holographic principles. So what we have, in effect, is a hologram processing a hologram! If one agree with the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum physics (as suggested by Nils Bohr) then it is consciousness that brings about matter. As a series researcher into the phenomenon known as the NDE (and a member of the International association of Near-Death Studies) I know of a good deal of evidence for such a conclusion. In my opinion the question of whether there is life after death is the wrong one. What we should be really asking is what is the relationship between conscious awareness and reality. Then we may find some answers that will keep both the scientists and the mystics happy.

When you die, you cease to exist. That's it. There is no level of consciousness after death, and if there is, it's equal to that of what bacteria has. We will never understand what happens after death because there isn't a conscious or subconscious brain to comprehend it. It's like this: if you imagine what would the universe would be like without any level of existence - not even black to fill the void of nothing - not even the void to be nothing - you can't, because there would be no level of consciousness to comprehend that.

We crawl into another body and keep doing this till we get things right, then we wake up from the dream of physical reality and become aware of our spiritual side which is eternal. What have you been, what do you want to be? Every form is better than the previous one, unless you %^&** up, then the next form is a prison of pain or sickness.

I am not worried .

I like to think it's just like entering a dream. Hopefully a pleasant one! Some people who have lived through a "near death experience" refer to a tunnel of white light that appears to draw them in. I remember hearing one such person on TV mention that by refusing to allow himself to be attracted into "the light", be was able to avoid death, and he shortly woke up and made a full recovery.

Death is like Birth in reverse.
What do you remember of yourself before you were born?
Not a thing.

Death is inevitable, many times in fact within life. When you lose all of your hit points (HP), you will die. You will then get a dialogue box asking you to release your spirit from your body, if you don’t do that within six minutes the game does it for you and you will appear as a ghost (or wisp for Night Elves) at a graveyard. You cannot talk in the open world when you are dead but you can still talk in the chat channels and to your group. When you die all items receive a 10% durability loss automatically. oh hold on thats World of Warcraft drrrrr! you go to heaven like a good lil boy...

Here we go again...ANOTHER thread turning into a DEBATE ABOUT RELIGION AND THE AFTERLIFE!!! Will it ever end?!?!?!

what would be the WCS(worstcase scenario) for me would be that we become a spirit, and forever be lonly no one to talk to, just a ghost free to walk the world forver, never to bee seen never to be heard. never to sieze to die.
imagine the lonlyness.....
that might be the what christians or muslims call hell...
that would be the worst torture for anyone, dont you agree?

but it is proven the body becomes 21 grams lighter after we die, they say thats our spirit leaving us.
those 21 grams.

Where's the debate? The OP asks for our opinions on what happens when we die. We give our opinions.

We wait until we're back .

All religions are just fake and imaginitive to us, humans.

There is no ****ing religion!

Live your life as you want, don't come try arguing with your friend the religion infront of you. Pathetic.

i heard on a scale of one to 10, ten being death that the anasthetic used in surgery to put you asleep ranks at 7 or 8 to the feeling of death and been under the knife myself i cant remember anything and had no awarness once i was blacked out until i woke up

I think that whilst we're alive our bodies just act as a vehical or host for 'us', our souls/astral beings which ever floats your boat. And when we die we don't need our 'host' host anymore, like the first replyer to this thread said.

I agree with, whatever their name is...sorry I can't remember!

hopefully theres something after we die, i personally believe there is so i dont fear death at all if there is something there after we die hopefully its good because "what we do in life, echoes in eternity"

That quote can be taken more than one way.
Cause and effect? Cause an effect and it may be shared by the affected, perhaps in an eternal chain reaction.
Just a thought.

I think that your soul moves on to another world. In my belief when you die, your soul leaves the body and the confines of this world and advances into another realm, a better one hopefully heh. Like, i've been looking around these forums for a while now and i read somewhere the theory of further dimensions, which are already present but we can't sense them? Anyway back on topic, yeah i believe you move out of this world and onward with the experiences of the time spent here hopefully making us a more aware and better being.

Consciousness just keeps on going into other dimensions continuously until it reaches enlightenment.

Yes. Consciousness is infinite . Good to have you around , Brave !

How do you know?

I agree... the absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Just like the absence of disproof is not proof of presence.

no use argueing i've been dead leagally for 2 mins i had an expirence and im still not sure if it was my mind or the real thing no one knows, the truth is the question is too large for people to comprehend, believe what you want people but if you are going to bicker and try to force people to conform to your ideas then i suggest you prove your theory die now and show us all what death is. Ok since none of you will be stupid enough to try that then shut up and stop trying to force other people to believe what you believe,religion is a easy comfort senarieo and atheist views is the antipicpating for the worst case senario the truth is not the most most religous monk, devoted priest, most stubborn atheist and most religous buddist will be able to say that they have never questioned their faith and beliefs or disbelief.I mean come on if everyone was sure if heaven exsisted wouldn't everyone kill them selves to enjoy eternal bliss of if you are atesist wouldn't you try to live as long as you can and try to find ways to transfer your cionsiousness into something eternal before its too late like a machine. No life is a mixture ev eryone is different no 2 people agree on everything especially death and spirituallity. If you really are an athiest and are convinced there is no afterlife why try so hard to convince others are you trying to enforce your belief why does it matter if they are happy what is your right to ruin their happiness. And for you extreme evangelicals out there trying to convert othes as fast as you can agaist their will, why don't you trust in your god to turn them and not force them you have no right here as well. Let people think what they want leave them alone but leave these questions for yourself to think out to yourself or to your closest loved ones this is an intimate idea it should not be discussed with everyone.

First, two deity's approach you... Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris... If your smart you will go with Vin Diesel, who is god. Or Chuck Norris is Satan!

thankyou so much for your input oh my god that will change my life how was i so stupid not to see the truth?, i think i would have to go with chuck norris though,jk.lol

Wherever we came from, whatever religion you take for yourself or none at all, our creator saved the best trip for last. Just mellow out and dont wory about it, enjoy the time you have.

Heres a little test that you may find useful (dont bother taking it if you think you are more special than everyone else)


Remeber before you were born?


I think this wraps up the debate. Obviously lots of you will not agree, but I was posed this by my step-father not long ago and it really put my mind at ease. Nothing lasts forever, that goes especially for you (and me). There is nothing negative or depressing about this, hey, at least you were lucky that that particular sperm got to your mother's egg before those other b*******.

im not quite sure what happens until you die but you probably go to another dimension

what happens when we die?

well, we become a lot less active, sleep for long periods of time, start to smell a bit and generally become a lot less fun.

so basically, we die, we rot, we fade away into nothing and are eventually forgotton.
it's not nice to think about nothing happening after we die but, hey, deal with it

Parhaps the world returns into superposition since your body stops observing it?