anyone who finds this thread interesting, should check this link out

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0...from=public_rss



Dr. Karl Pribram discovered (in his early career while studying at Yale) that when monkeys receive visual impressions through their optic nerves (like humans do), the information doesn’t go directly to the visual cortex in the brain. Instead, the information is first filtered through other areas of the brain where it is edited and modified by the monkey’s temporal lobes before it actually reaches its final destination.
Since then, numerous studies have been performed on human beings that confirm the belief that our own “processing” and “editing” of the “raw image” occurs in a similar way. In a nut shell, “what we see isn’t always what we get”.
Some studies suggest that 50%! of what we “see” is not based on the information that is entering our eyes, but pieced together out of our expectations of what the world should look like. We are so used to responding to what we think is there, that we don’t always see what is really there.
Although, moment by moment, we take in fresh evidence of our surroundings from our visual organs, it’s really the brain that sees. This might explain how someone is able to look in a field where a UFO has landed and mistake it for a round greenhouse….

I wonder if this would go part way to explaining why sometimes, when searching for an object indoors, for example, we fail to see it even when it is sitting there, right under our noses

Someone else comes along whilst we are cussing and shoving things about, searching.

"What are you looking for?"

"My keys!!!"

"They are there....." pointing

"Where????"

"For goodness sake, THERE" hands them to person

There's a condition known as "blind sight" where the nerves
are cut between the reptilian brain and the visual cortex. The
individual believes he is blind and all standard tests to deter-
mine blindness are 100% positive. His eyes even appear to
be "dead". Problem is if you throw him a ball, he'll catch it.

The part of the brain that first gets the visual input is beneath
our level of consciousness but it still communicates with the
medula and through it, the rest of the body.

All sensation is largely expectation. If it weren't we would be
overwhelmed by sensory input and much of it would be mostly
incomprehensible.

Magic and slight of hand rely largely on this phenomena to
work. What the eye doesn't see the brain fills in. So you just
don't let them see critical parts. You are in effect fooling peo-
ples' higher brain functions using their own brains to do it.

Interesting link.

When I look at the dancer head on she's clockwise but if I look off to the side a little she reverses.

Anyone else?

I hope you mean the exact opposite.

Yes it did sound as though it was normal for UFO landings didn't it

"You don't see with your eyes you see through them."


Why is that quote stuck in my head? Can anyone tell me where this quote comes from?

I stared at it long enough to gain some control over which way the dancer spins!

Very interesting how the brain works! Thanks for the link.


Regards,
Tom

1 month ago.. I looked at the same dancing woman. it turned clockwise.. but now.. it turns counter clockwise.. even if i try to change it. it won't. haha.. pretty cool test though.

Look at it with more than one person. It's really a trip!! I was seeing it clockwise and my office worker was seeing it counter clockwise!! How the heck is that possible, wow, it really does mean that we see what we expect to see. Freaky.

few minutes ago the dancer seems spinning clockwise to me, but now it's counter clockwise.....
I've tried to see it clock wise but it doesn't work

edit: Heyy...... a minute ago it just changed into clockwise, but then few seconds after that.... it changed to counter clockwise again !! woooohhooo!

I can now control the dancer to rotate either clockwise or counter clockwise.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...eoid=2016813091


Anyone see the dancer at the end of this rotating counterclockwise?

It's 5 min, you might want to fast forward.

That's a phenomenon known as negative hallucination. It seems to be more common than positive hallucination.

yea it took me a while but i can make her turn left and then right and back on each turn and keep it going for a while. its what you believe in your head. this is soo crazy

That dancer sent me dizzy first i could only see one way then only the other.

I find it amazing how our brain processes what we see. perhaps if your not all too dizzy from the dancer you may also enjoy this link

I find it fascinating.

Good point. I missed it until Tiggs commented on it. It wouldda bitten had it been a snake.

As a child I learned I had to picture a sought item in able to find it. Otherwise I'd look right
at it and wouldn't see it. Now I just sortta hold the thought in back of my mind and it works as
well and allows other activity while I'm looking.

Same thing when you're proof reading a post or something; you're liable to read what you
meant instead of what you typed. I try to read titles and important stuff forward and back-
ward before posting. There will still be typos and wrong words.

same here!

I can easily beleive this. I was taught that our eyes do not have a fixed focal length, but effectively "zoom in and out" slightly as we fix our attention on different objects. Do this on a movie camera, and the result would be nauseating. But our brain filters out the "zooming" effect when our eyes do it.

There is another famous illusion... how many of you can see the Giraffe in the blurry picture below ? (keep looking...it may not be apparant at first... )



Meow Purr.

athis is how the elites keep us in the dark. Most people are programmed to see, not what is in front of their eyes, but what the elites, who control academia and the mass media, want them to see. Most people, when the "saw" the WTC towers collapse at free fall speed straight down in a controlled demolition, effectively did not see it. When, a couple of years ago, the mass media showed a video made by the two "lone gunmen" Columbine HS killers of their target practice in the woods, most people only saw the two of them, even though a third person was holding the camera, and, in one scene, a fourth young man, clearly identifiable, was visible (to those of us who can still see). William B Stoecker

it is quite normal.

Well i watched the dancing woman, at first it felt like it would be impossible to change her direction, but now i can do it whenever i want o_O Its pretty cool

yeah.. its weird because when you watch it with more than on person, usually you see her spinning opposite ways! it's a trip...

It's driving me nuts. I can only see her spinning clockwise. I've looked a few minutes and don't see how its possible she could be seen spinning the other direction.

I had to hit refresh and while it was loading I tried to imagine it going counter clockwise. When it started back up it was counter clockwise but I looked away for a moment and it went back to clockwise.

I'm just not getting it.

How is it possible to suddenly see the extended arm and leg spinning in the opposite direction?

She looks like she's spinning from left to right to me.

I'm trying to envision it from right to left, but it just isn't happening.

Hey this thing is really, really trippin' me out.....lol.

I saw the dancing lady going around clockwise about 5 this morning (eastern standard time) and now she's going counter-clockwise. I am really freaked out about this.....lol.

Is it a joke or is it real? This has gatta be a hoax.....lol

Oh my goodness....this really incredible.....I look on the right brain, left brain chart from left to right and back again and everytime I change focus she moves in opposite direction!!!!!!!!!

And then a friend and I saw her going in two different directions at the same time!

We are programed thats what it means to me! This just solidifies my 'theories of conspiracy' - we can be programmed to see want 'they' what us to see. Whoever they is.....lol

oo me too sort of. If I look at the dancers foot she's clockwise and then when I look at her head she's anti-clockwise.


If you blink and look at her head/foot when she is half way round you can get her to dance.

Think about the scale that this 'illusion' can work on... I'm thinking on epic proportions like 'mass delusion'.

Its true and its a scientific fact, we dont see with our eyes, we see through them. They are the tools which lets in the light, which our nerves than translate in to electrical signals and go the brain, where the image is edited and then brain tells you what you are seeing. This mean, a brain, which isolated from light, in total darkness, isolated from touch, sound etc, informs us what we see, touch , feel, and smell. How amazing is that, so what we see around us is a perception a universal preception. What you gotta ask yourself now, is who is seeing the perception, its not the brain coz that too is also a apart of the external world, and we see it as a lump of mucus type tissue. The second question would be, where is the perception coming from and the third question would be, does matter really matter? because if everything is perception shown to us by our cpu, the brain, which translates the elcetric signals, then what the tru nature of matter is, is actaully uknown. Yeh bit like the Matrix, but you cant do nothing about it.

Yet there's probably a 50-50 chance of people seeing it one way or the other, so not very reliable at all, I'd say.

Since all we see is a silhouette, when her leg is moving from left to right or vice-versa whether we think it's passing in front of or behind her determines which way she seems to be spinning.

Well the trick to change her direction is to look up at the screen far away from the dancer, until you just see a siluette in the lowest of your eyevision. Then focus on her dancing the opposite way, and after a while or right after you will see her moving the other way. You'll notice when she changes direction.

Then if you just stares at her, not miding which way shes moving she will change to the direction which your brain is most used to. Left or right half.

Easy and so cool

ugh, I still can't see the dancer going counter-clockwise.

I'm gonna have to get someone to look at it later and see what direction they see it in.

You would think it'd be easy to see it going both directions after looking at it for long enough.

Ok. Accepting that our brains edit and our eyes are tools....... Here is something that has always bothered me.

Do you think that it is plausible that we may see colors differently but call them the same based on what we were taught.....when I say my shirt is blue could I see red and call it blue because thats what I was taught that it was.since our brains edit what we see and it is all based on light reflections anyway.......I don't know but I have always wondered and is it possible we could know?? GRRRR....I can't stand it.

Of course it's possible.

There's no doubt that things are percieved differently between
people but we'll probably never know if colors are among them.

What one person says looks red another muight say feels green.

Great taste... less filling.

That is quite a thought, I wonder how one could test it? Have you ever had to take a color blindness test? Not that it really has anything to do with your thought I just think they are cool.

Yes, it is absolutely possible...

I work in a yellow room. When you take in a piece of white paper, it looks orange/yellowish. After a time, I start adjusting, sort of white balancing everything. The white on my computer screens actually looks white. Papers look white. It does cause a problem when I'm called out to help an editor with a photo, often I need to white balance and it may take me 5 minutes or so to start seeing colors normally again.

The effect is striking if you take a lot of photos. You'll notice how many pictures have a colored hue, but rooms never seem to look that way.

Great topic!

Same here Leftfield. I've tried to make her go counter clockwise for almost an hour, i give up now

I wonder why the article says most people would see counter clockwise, when it just looks perfect clockwise.

Interesting, I ws thinking about this this morning actually. 'Dose matter really matter?' I like that, if what we see is flexible/subjective then it can't be real can it? we or others make it up to suit.

I remember once i was waiting for a friend to come and visit me, I heard a knock at the door, looked through the peep hole and it was the friend I was expecting, I then opened the door and it was only until the person started speaking for a bit that I realised it was someone else!. I was convinced it would be that person I was going to see, so thats who I saw.

We have auniversal preception, we all see the same colours to an extent, but i will not see red the way you do and visa versa. Unless you have abnormailty with the tools,(eye), causing colour blindness, you perception on colours will differ, largely down to the way it is processed in the brain.

Good question, U see the unverse is allegedly made of matter, but if the univers is perception and what we see is elictrical signal processed in our brain which than notifies us within sec, what you are seeing. This would then mean, that we do not know the true nature of matter, hence why can put our finger on dark matter, which allegedly is the driving force in the universe.

If matter is not what we really think it is, and it only a preception, then this perveption is being generated, therefore does it matter, matter - not really, cause its a preception, the only way in my opinion it does not matter, is in the same way evolutionist and capatilism seem to think its be all end all of everything....

Yeah, but how would you actually verify that? Let's say somebody's "color wheel" was shifted a bit, so that he sees blue objects like they were red, red objects like they were yellow etc. How would you go about uncovering his condition? It's not like you can really describe colors in objective terms. If blue things looked like our red to him, then he would consider that red to be a cool color, our blue a warm one. So could he ever realize that he's seeing the colors differently from everyone else?

The normality is everyone see's the same colour similar, whether red or blue. if someone differs from this, its due to an abnormality colour blindness - you would treat the same. Thus verify it too.

Just to elobrate on how things are processed, i will give you an example - Say im here sat at my PC, eating a nice chocolate cake - but nerves the whole system is wired to your brain and visa versa - you would taste the chocolate cake and all the sensation that go with it, where as me, who is actually consuming it, would feel nothing. I would feel what you would be doing.

This means, everything we experience, is therefore a perception processed by the brain, which interprets the electrical signals, and then tells you what you feel, smell, taste etc. If this is the case, which it is .... this means that everything around is and its true nature is actually unknown, well its true form, because its preception. I wonder who actually see's the perception -

It's very frustrating when you get to thinking about it more than once. because no matter what test you run you cant tell until we can look through someone elses eyes.

For 2 days now i can not make the left part of my brain work. It's really frustrating somehow to me.

Wow !!!...and then add a condition called 'Synesthesia'..


Synesthesia Tests
http://mindbluff.com/syntest.htm

I get a taste in my mouth when i hear silver ware clanking, scraping a dish or some one biting it. oddly enough the taste isn't metallic, and my teeth go numb and my brain "itches" Didn't know it had a name...thanks for the google subject i was running low lol.