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gaia227
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Here is the link to the article that appeared in the St. Louis publication of Suburban Journal. It is rather long but well-written and keeps your interest. If you don't want to take the time to read the whole thing I'm writing a shorter summary followed by my personal opinion about these pathetic losers.....but I suggest you read the article and get the full story.

I'm sure a lot of you heard about the 13 yr old girl who killed herself after she met a boy, Josh, on MySpace who made her believe he really liked her and then out of nowhere started calling her names, saying awful things to her, telling her she was a fat ****, etc. The girl, Meghan, had a history of depression and had self esteem issues(what 13yr old doesn't?)but hers ran a little deeper. This boy told her her friends were telling him what 'she did' and how the world would be a better place without her in it and then started posting bulletins for everyone to see calling her fat. It was more than she could take and she hung herself. It turns out this boy was actually her former best friend PARENTS(who also lived next door) who created this profile, made her believe he liked her and then turned on her. It had become an afterschool activity with the mother pretending to be Josh while her daughters friends hung out and laughed about it. These people had known Meghan for years, she had gone on vacations with them and they knew about her previous issues and they exploited them by doing this. There is a lot more to the story if you want to read the - goes into more detail about Meghan, the relationship these two families had(they were good friends) and what exactly the MySpace messages said.
The maddening thing about all of this is apparently they did not break any laws and they are not going to be charged with anything. The mother who pretended to be Josh actually said in an interview that she didn't feel guilty about Meghan's death because she had issues already. They have also had the balls to press charges against Meghan's parents for property damage they caused when they found out what had provoked their daughters death - they were actually storing a foosball table for the other family when they found out they smashed it and dumped in it their driveway and are now being charged. But the most frustrating part is the media is withholding the family's name for their protection so not only are they not being charged they don't even have to deal with their peers and society's reaction to their actions. They can just keep on lving normally and by all accounts they are without much remorse.
Personally I believe they should be charged with involuntary manslaughter or something similar. I understand it is a tricky issue but Meghan killed herself because of their words and actions. These are PARENTS of a 13 yr old daughter - what kind of morals, ethics and respect are they teaching her? How can they be so immature and selfish? They are so braindead and immature that instead of acting like adults they choose to become so involved in their 13 yr old's life they seem to have lost touch with reality. As adults this is what they do to entertain themselves? They are pathetic.
I think they need to face some kind of consequences for their actions - at the very least release their names and force them to deal with the public's wrath.
I am curious about how other people feel about this issue.
Killer Moth
Thats terrible what kind of a grownups would do that to a kid

but nothing against the law about being mean to people though, I don't think they can go to jail
twpdyp
No crime no time. My question on this issue is where were her perents. Why did they not see the signs of depression? I would be alomost willing to bet it is a 2 income household. With both parents to preoccupied with their careers to notice......I hold the 2 income household accountable for a lot of todays youths problems.
Godofcats
i only read about half the artical not because i have a.d.d but because i have about 100 brats running around me bothering the hell out of me right now. anyway i read the short version. that's bull crap they can't be charged. the parents should be charged. they are directly responsible for the girls death. they caused it to happen knowing that the girl might have been suicidle. what's up with these immature parents? F@#$ them all. seriously a mother doing this? that's not shocking to me because i've seen parents get drunk and high with their kids....looks like they miss being a little b@st@rd in their school days so they have to do with with their punk kids.
tipsy_munchkin
QUOTE (twpdyp @ Nov 30 2007, 10:54 PM) *
No crime no time. My question on this issue is where were her perents. Why did they not see the signs of depression? I would be alomost willing to bet it is a 2 income household. With both parents to preoccupied with their careers to notice......I hold the 2 income household accountable for a lot of todays youths problems.


Erm. i grew up in a two income household and was certainly well raised. Most of the time my parents were working I was at school anyway. I think it's a little harsh to first assume she is from a two income household and then blame the suicide on that.
Depression can occur in a mulltitude of situations and isn't always easy to spot (or easy to discern from normal teen angst)

This is horrendous behaviour from adults and to me a far more detrimental effect on todays youth than wether mum and dad work. I can see though that they didn't comit a crime as such. Many suicide victims (many people in fact) have been victims of bulllying and we can't convict every bully for these deaths. I'm not sure the family should be protected though. No adult should abuse a childs emotions in this way it shows immaturity lack of ethics and sets a very poor example.
Godofcats
QUOTE (twpdyp @ Nov 30 2007, 05:54 PM) *
No crime no time. My question on this issue is where were her perents. Why did they not see the signs of depression? I would be alomost willing to bet it is a 2 income household. With both parents to preoccupied with their careers to notice......I hold the 2 income household accountable for a lot of todays youths problems.


yeah that's a wierd comment right there usually people blame it on a single parent home.
atom286
QUOTE (Killer Moth @ Nov 30 2007, 10:47 PM) *
Thats terrible what kind of a grownups would do that to a kid

but nothing against the law about being mean to people though, I don't think they can go to jail


We need a moral exception to our legal system.

If they do something morally corrupt regardless of wether the law makers had thought about it and made it illegal they get hung.
twpdyp
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yeah that's a wierd comment right there usually people blame it on a single parent home.

Yes I know I am a man ahead of my time. Single parent homes are by in large not a product of choice but a product of divorce, death etc....
2 income households are a matter of choice, the adults choice to put their needs ahead of their children's
Atheist God
There is already a thread on this in the current events section....

No crime was committed here and the parents of the girl who killed herself should have done a better job at monitoring their kids internet activity.
Carcharoth
What they did was obviously pathetic and terrible, but as they apparently haven't broken any laws, they should not be charged. And, as someone else also mentioned, didn't the parents notice any change in mood or behavior?
Godofcats
QUOTE (Carcharoth @ Nov 30 2007, 10:52 PM) *
What they did was obviously pathetic and terrible, but as they apparently haven't broken any laws, they should not be charged. And, as someone else also mentioned, didn't the parents notice any change in mood or behavior?


if you read the artical you'll see her mom mention that for years she battled depression. all her family and friends knew she was depressed because of wieght issues and other things. and these people especially knew because they once were her friends and knew she would be an easy target for them knowing how she might take it, they are directly the cause of her death and should be punished especailly the mother.
~ MacDDT ~
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Dec 1 2007, 12:20 AM) *
There is already a thread on this in the current events section....

No crime was committed here and the parents of the girl who killed herself should have done a better job at monitoring their kids internet activity.

I think your fat and you should kill yourself AtheistGod
Carcharoth
QUOTE (Godofcats @ Dec 1 2007, 05:14 AM) *
if you read the artical you'll see her mom mention that for years she battled depression. all her family and friends knew she was depressed because of wieght issues and other things. and these people especially knew because they once were her friends and knew she would be an easy target for them knowing how she might take it, they are directly the cause of her death and should be punished especailly the mother.


Well, as long as they haven't broken any laws, they cannot, and should not, be punished, however gruesome what they did was. Unless you want some sort of totalitarian state where the government can throw people in jail without any trial or without the arrestee having broken any laws, just because they feel like doing so.
Belle.
If it was a 52yr old man next door who did this (excluding the end bit of calling her a fat pig!) they would say he was 'grooming' the girl and I bet he would be charged with something.

Bill Hill

QUOTE (Betsy @ Dec 1 2007, 06:59 AM) *
If it was a 52yr old man next door who did this (excluding the end bit of calling her a fat pig!) they would say he was 'grooming' the girl and I bet he would be charged with something.


True. I'm sure there's a case in English...if I remember correctly, where a man was charged with murder, for telling his depressed wife to jump off a cliff, and she did!
Although, he drove her to the cliff.. not sure if that made a difference or not.
As for this case, it's sickening that 'adults' have acted like this.
Lady_Anvilabeel
QUOTE (Betsy @ Dec 1 2007, 06:59 AM) *
If it was a 52yr old man next door who did this (excluding the end bit of calling her a fat pig!) they would say he was 'grooming' the girl and I bet he would be charged with something.



I was thinking the same. The fact remains that she was using a false identity in order to exploit and lure a minor. Maybe this case would have been completely different if the girl was still alive and able to press charges.
Atheist God
QUOTE (macddt @ Nov 30 2007, 10:32 PM) *
I think your fat and you should kill yourself AtheistGod


If that's what you think I won't hold it against you but I can assure you I am quite healthy and I have no intention to kill myself either. If someone kills themselves over a few insults regardless of age then they had mental health issues to begin with.

Everyone acts so shocked and appalled when they hear of such an act immediately blaming those who had no idea that the person in question was going to kill themselves.

The real question is where were the parents? Were they so out of touch with their own offspring that they could not notice a change in her mood and personality? It is quite clear that the parents should place the blame on themselves for neglecting their own daughters needs and not paying attention to the child when they should have. The other parents were cruel but the only people who could have prevented the suicide were the girls parents.

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We need a moral exception to our legal system.

If they do something morally corrupt regardless of wether the law makers had thought about it and made it illegal they get hung.


By who's moral compass should we all live?

Charging people for not sharing the same moral compass that you and others have would be the same as charging them with a thought crime. You can't charge someone because someone who had issues killed themselves.

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I was thinking the same. The fact remains that she was using a false identity in order to exploit and lure a minor. Maybe this case would have been completely different if the girl was still alive and able to press charges.


Press charges for what? Because someone made fun of her online?

If I called you fat and ugly and said you were a waste of that over stretched skin you wearing would you kill yourself?

If I were to guess I would say no as most people would not, how were they supposed to know that the girl would take what they said to such an extreme. The girl in question had more issues them simply her self esteem if she was willing to commit suicide over a few insults.
Lady_Anvilabeel
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If I called you fat and ugly and said you were a waste of that over stretched skin you wearing would you kill yourself?


No of course not, but the adults in this situation knew intimately of the girls problems, they knew what her issues were.

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The girl in question had more issues them simply her self esteem if she was willing to commit suicide over a few insults.



I think there is more to it than that hmm.gif



This story was also posted in world of the bizarre

Quoted from there - http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...howtopic=111700

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Megan, a 13-year-old who suffered from depression and attention deficit disorder, corresponded with Josh for more than a month before he abruptly ended their friendship, telling her he had heard she was cruel.

The next day Megan committed suicide. Her family learned later that Josh never actually existed; he was created by members of a neighborhood family that included a former friend of Megan's.


and

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The woman who created the fake profile has not been charged with a crime. She allegedly told the St. Charles County Sheriff's Department she created Josh's profile because she wanted to gain Megan's confidence to know what Megan was saying about her own child online


It strongly suggests there was on going issues between the children and that the Josh profile was a planned effort.

The adults doing this should have known better, it's wrong full-stop for adults to mess with children like this!! regardless of any mental issues the girl may have had.

The woman admits in trying to gain the girls confidence... posing as a young teen boy and carring on a relationship for more than a month! before turning nasty. I'm betting if it was a guy who did this, he would have been slap charged with something.









Atheist God
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No of course not, but the adults in this situation knew intimately of the girls problems, they knew what her issues were.


They obviously didn't think she would kill herself. While they may have loosely know about the girls issues perhaps the ADD I highly doubt they knew about other said issues.

I think there is more to it than that hmm.gif


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This story was also posted in world of the bizarre

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Megan, a 13-year-old who suffered from depression and attention deficit disorder, corresponded with Josh for more than a month before he abruptly ended their friendship, telling her he had heard she was cruel.

The next day Megan committed suicide. Her family learned later that Josh never actually existed; he was created by members of a neighborhood family that included a former friend of Megan's.


Anyone who gets made fun of at school will get depressed.....

The question is why did Megan's parents let the girl start on online relationship. If I was the father of a 13 year old I can assure you that their internet access would be heavily restricted.

I still stand by my statement that the girl had more issues then merely self esteem issues if she killed her self after someone said she was cruel that she only knew for a month. If she was on medications for the depression they may have in fact contributed to the suicide. These mind altering drugs are well known to increase suicidal tendencies and psychotic outbursts...

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It strongly suggests there was on going issues between the children and that the Josh profile was a planned effort.

The adults doing this should have known better, it's wrong full-stop for adults to mess with children like this!! regardless of any mental issues the girl may have had.


Even still it's not a crime.

I think the girls parents should still blame themselves, what parent allows their 13 year old to have online relationships very well knowing that there are predators on the internet. None of this would have happened if the girl was not allowed to access sites like Myspace among others. Whether it's children getting molested to being duped like Megan was prevention is the key. Megan would still be alive if her parents paid closer attention to her.

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The woman admits in trying to gain the girls confidence... posing as a young teen boy and carring on a relationship for more than a month! before turning nasty. I'm betting if it was a guy who did this, he would have been slap charged with something.


Charged on what basis? No crime has been committed here.

The girl made the conscious decision to kill herself after little more then a month of correspondence with someone she never met. Blame depression and ADD if you coupled with the disasterous 1 month relationship but it's clear that her parents were to blame for not paying attention to their child which is neglect.

There should be age retriction on social networking websites like Myspace and Facebook to avoid such incidents from happening. Under no circumstances should children be allowed to have online relationships with people they don't know.
~ MacDDT ~
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Dec 2 2007, 07:32 PM) *
Under no circumstances should children be allowed to have online relationships with people they don't know.

I think everyone would agree to that! (or at least they should)
MadMachine
QUOTE (Anvil)
The woman admits in trying to gain the girls confidence... posing as a young teen boy and carring on a relationship for more than a month! before turning nasty.

It's possible that the woman posing as "Josh" believed that the girl was getting too close to the made-up personality, and decided to end the "relationship" in a very surefire way. I don't think she necessarily intended for the girl to kill herself over it.
Affliction
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True. I'm sure there's a case in English...if I remember correctly, where a man was charged with murder, for telling his depressed wife to jump off a cliff, and she did!
Although, he drove her to the cliff.. not sure if that made a difference or not.

laugh.gif

I certainly don't think they should be held responsible, if a person decides to end their own life it is their decision and action to carry out alone.
soundchaser
QUOTE (Death Sticky @ Dec 2 2007, 10:08 PM) *
It's possible that the woman posing as "Josh" believed that the girl was getting too close to the made-up personality, and decided to end the "relationship" in a very surefire way. I don't think she necessarily intended for the girl to kill herself over it.


In the UK, when people drive a car carelessly, they may well not intend to cause someone's death. But if their careless driving DOES cause a death they are charged with it. A few insults traded by complete strangers over a forum may not show intend to provoke a suicide. But it seems these adults had ample information about the poor girl's problems.

If they wanted to pretend to be someone in order to finish the relationship, there were countless gentler ways to do it without resorting to pretty hefty insults to someone they KNEW was already vulnerable.

There may not be a law at present covering what they did. But I think there should be. Something on a parallel with the "causing death by reckless/careless driving" law.

I don't pretend it isn't complicated. It would be far better if people could police their own behaviour and in fact most of us can. Sadly though, we still need laws to deal with those who can't.
MadMachine
QUOTE (soundchaser @ Dec 3 2007, 08:32 AM) *
In the UK, when people drive a car carelessly, they may well not intend to cause someone's death. But if their careless driving DOES cause a death they are charged with it. A few insults traded by complete strangers over a forum may not show intend to provoke a suicide. But it seems these adults had ample information about the poor girl's problems.

A difference is that the driver has control over the car, so of course a passenger's death due to the driver's reckless driving is the driver's fault. Solely the driver's fault.
In the case of the suicide, the woman ("Josh") simply triggered a bomb the girl had already made.
glorybebe
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Dec 2 2007, 11:32 AM) *
They obviously didn't think she would kill herself. While they may have loosely know about the girls issues perhaps the ADD I highly doubt they knew about other said issues.


Wrong, the woman said that the girl should kill herself because she was fat and no one liked her. Read the article on the other thread, it explains how the woman who did this set out to hurt this girl, she wanted to know what this girl was saying about her own daughter since they had been friends. This woman was malicious and knew all the mental problems this girl had and still went out of her way to manipulate this young girl. Consider a mother of a 13 year old doing this to a 13 year old CHILD. This was a little girl, not an adult who has the maturity to deal with stressful situations.

QUOTE (death sticky)
It's possible that the woman posing as "Josh" believed that the girl was getting too close to the made-up personality, and decided to end the "relationship" in a very surefire way. I don't think she necessarily intended for the girl to kill herself over it.

No, she did not think that, she went out of her way to get the girl to like the guy and be attached, just so that she could pull the rug from under her feet. this done by a mature mother? She systematically got this girl excited that there was a guy interested in her, then told her that she was fat, no one liked her and she should kill herself!?!? What the hell is that?! Of course this woman should be charge with anything they can think of, she knew EXACTLY what she was doing. And before blaming the dead girl's mother, she was monitoring the messages and gave her daughter heck for the things being said and why she was even reading them.
gaia227
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Dec 2 2007, 02:32 PM) *
I still stand by my statement that the girl had more issues then merely self esteem issues if she killed her self after someone said she was cruel that she only knew for a month. If she was on medications for the depression they may have in fact contributed to the suicide. These mind altering drugs are well known to increase suicidal tendencies and psychotic outbursts...



Athiest God - even if I don't personally agree I can see the validity of a lot of your points and respect them. I would like to address this statement though. Yes, there have been cases of people taken anti-psychotics who freaked out but I think it is unfair to suggest that these drugs are detrimental to all people. People living with Bi-polar disorder, depression, etc can benefit greatly from being on the proper dose of anti-psychotics, depressants. It can save their lives and they can improve a person's quality of life. My fiance has bi-polar disorder and his meds allow him to be a 'normal' functioning, emotional member of society. Without his meds(and this was also before he got on them too so the argument that the meds changed his brain chemisty and cause him to now act this way won't fit here) he is so manic he can't sleep, he is extremely hyper to the point of it being inappropriate and he would not be able to work. He will go from that to the lowest of lows where he can barely get out of bed. Yes, I will concur that being on meds creates a dependency to them and it is much worse when you don't have them but in this situation it is worth it. It allows him to be stable and allows him to have a more normal life.

Glorybebe is correct - in the messages the woman sent to Meghan(the 13yr old) she did say things like 'no-one likes you and the world would be a better place if you were not in it.' That is a pretty harsh thing to say to a girl you know already suffers from depression and self-esteem issues. She is basically suggesting she should kill herself. In my opinion it is like handing a loaded gun to someone who is suicidal and depressed and telling them they are worthless and they should go ahead and do it. They may not have done it if they were alone but if you give them the tools and the encouragement it may be enough to send them over the edge. I totally understand the arguements though. Ultimately people are responsible for their actions but the line can get blurry when people are goaded into the actions they commit. I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about it - that's why I posted this. I was curious aboout how other people felt about it. They did not commit a crime. Which by the way, any lawyers here? I thought impersonating a minor was a crime? Ultimately I feel like these people should at least face some consequences for their actions even if they are just the social ramifications from their peers - sometimes that can be more of a punishment than going to prison. I think maybe if they did not have a child of their own the authorities may be more inclined to take this a step further but they are trying to protect their daughter. I understand that and I would certainly hate for any 13 year old to lose both her parents to prison but still think they should face some consequences. What they did was wrong - even if it wasn't wrong by the definition of the law it was wrong morally and ethically and that should account for something. Sometimes it is those crimes that cause the most harm.

I felt like, from what the article said, her mother really was trying to be diligent and responsible about her internet use. Meghan didn't have the password, the mother had to log her on, approve her friends, etc. It seemed to me she was doing as much as she could except for just refusing her a Myspace page and when everyone else has one and you're 13 that is a big deal. My first instinct was what was she doing on Myspace but then I tried to put myself in the position of a mother of a 13yr old(not easy as I have no kids) who is dealing with peer-pressure, puberty, all that good stuff, and wanting to fit in and experience what other kids her age are and I can see the mothers position of letting her have an account as long as it is closely monitored. As far as Josh goes I agree that she shouldn't let her daughter strike up relationships on the internet especially with all the on-line predators and pervs who are out there trolling for young girls but I guess she felt like if she monitored it, read all the messages, etc then she could keep her safe.
If anything let it be a cautionary tale.

I am glad for all the responses and I apologize if it is redundant as it has been posted elsewhere. I checked this section, True Crime, to make sure there wasn't a topic for it already before I posted it here.
soundchaser
QUOTE (Death Sticky @ Dec 3 2007, 03:59 PM) *
A difference is that the driver has control over the car, so of course a passenger's death due to the driver's reckless driving is the driver's fault. Solely the driver's fault.
In the case of the suicide, the woman ("Josh") simply triggered a bomb the girl had already made.


I see your point in a way. It is much easier to apportion blame for a passenger's death. It's a more direct and clear cut case, I guess. Nevertheless, to use the driving analogy further, if you saw someone standing in the road apparently not caring for their own safety or displaying some signal of a death wish, you still wouldn't simply drive into them if you could brake or swerve to miss them. You would stop if possible and try to get them to safety.
Likewise, if you saw someone playing with a homemade bomb, you would (without risking your own life perhaps) try and persuade them to diffuse it rather than callously tell them to hurry up and detonate it.

Yes, sometimes a bit of reverse psychology often works.... telling the person standing on the rooftop to get on with it and jump can work on occasion. But that doesn't seem to be what was in these people's minds. They may not have intended to kill her or may not have actually wished for her suicide. But they do seem to have been very reckless with their actions and the link to the suicide seems very strong. (I say "seem" as I'm remembering the fact that I wasn't actually there to see it myself!)
glorybebe
New info on the case:

A police report said that a mother from the neighborhood and her 18-year-old employee fabricated a profile for a teenage boy online who pretended to be interested in Megan before he began bullying her. The police report indicates others gained access to the profile, and it is not clear who was sending Meier messages just before her death.

Banas said based on additional interviews, the fake MySpace page was not created by the mother of one of Megan's friends. He said the page was created by the 18-year-old employee, though the mother and her 13-year-old daughter knew about the page. He said he was unable to speak directly with the 18-year-old, whom he said has been hospitalized for psychiatric treatment.

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That mother is a peice of work. Nice how she denies everything and is trying to put it on the 18 year old. I hope everyone figures out who she is and boycott her business. Now her daughter won't have any friends at school, who would want their child associating with a kid who's mother causes such chaos?
soundchaser
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Dec 3 2007, 08:31 PM) *
New info on the case:

A police report said that a mother from the neighborhood and her 18-year-old employee fabricated a profile for a teenage boy online who pretended to be interested in Megan before he began bullying her. The police report indicates others gained access to the profile, and it is not clear who was sending Meier messages just before her death.

Banas said based on additional interviews, the fake MySpace page was not created by the mother of one of Megan's friends. He said the page was created by the 18-year-old employee, though the mother and her 13-year-old daughter knew about the page. He said he was unable to speak directly with the 18-year-old, whom he said has been hospitalized for psychiatric treatment.

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That mother is a peice of work. Nice how she denies everything and is trying to put it on the 18 year old. I hope everyone figures out who she is and boycott her business. Now her daughter won't have any friends at school, who would want their child associating with a kid who's mother causes such chaos?


Well, I'm glad I mentioned my use of the word "seem" at the end of my last post. It's worth remembering that all of us, including me, are actually commenting on something that we didn't see happen ourselves. That does NOT mean opinions shouldn't be expressed. I think these forums are very healthy. Just that we should bear this in mind.
glorybebe
QUOTE (soundchaser @ Dec 3 2007, 11:49 AM) *
Well, I'm glad I mentioned my use of the word "seem" at the end of my last post. It's worth remembering that all of us, including me, are actually commenting on something that we didn't see happen ourselves. That does NOT mean opinions shouldn't be expressed. I think these forums are very healthy. Just that we should bear this in mind.


That is why I almost always read the whole article, I don't like looking like a complete idiot...it still happens some times, but I try to prevent it! LOL.
Matt121
those people should totally have some bad stuff happen to them. If the cops won't do it then the parents should. I'd say charge them with murder and throw away the key. Sometimes I wish we lived in a more totalitarian state because then when people do something bad they get what the deserve. I hate the way people bow down to these human rights groups. Going on about how its wrong to execute a guy that had 20 kids buried under his porch or whatever. If I had some control over the world I'd take whatever steps I'd need to to stomp out crime. Want gangs stomped out? find out where the meeting places are send in some people and start shooting. Would some hippie rights group be angry sure but who cares in the end it's about keeping people safe. The parents should do something drastic in revenge I would if somone did something like that to my daughter.
RockChickUK
As a parent I find this story unbelievable.

If one of my kids come home from school and say they had nobody to play with at 'playtime' I am heartbroken. Its awful to think your kid might be unhappy or unpopular at school. So for a parent to purposely bully another child who they are aware has some obvious mental and emotional issues just doesn't sit right with me.

Those parents who were part of the myspace 'joke' certainly did commit an offence. What example are they setting their own children?.
It makes me sick to see that people as irresponsible as them have children.

I hope somewhere down the line the enormity of what they have contributed to hits them.
Odd Christian
one word- sue

as the girl was a minor her parents can, on her behalf, sue those responsible for causing emotional distress. And yes a crime was actually commited, it is called child abuse. clearly mental and emotional abuse by those who perpetrated this. If those involved have children, then they should have their children removed from their home for their childs own protection, and be forbidden any contact with minors until going through a long and costly treatment program.
also there is a little known federal law that was passed not long ago, had a very small paragragh in the news paper- it is a federal crime to say anything bad about somone online unless you are using your real name. which is about all the news coverage said about it.
*MoG*
Surely this would be considered a form of harrassment?

Isn't that a crime in itself?
BishopRyan
There is no doubt that Lori Drew is a predator. She coerced a thirteen year old girl to perform an irrational act by pretending to be someone she wasn't and preyed on her weaknesses. Then she tried to cover it up. If suicide is considered murdering yourself then this woman assisted in the murder and should be held accountable.

I think there is a difference between me telling you on this forum to eff off and go off yourself and a woman that premeditated a deception designed to target a girl she knew had a medical condition that could be exploited for her jollies. I would actually consider what she did a form of child abuse.

I guess the real problem is that we live in a society that time and time again refuses to take each act individually and tend to it accordingly. Every thing just has to be so god damned black and white for people. For Christ sake their is a gray area in every day life than needs to be addressed. This women mentally manipulated a minor and ultimately knowingly pushed her most sensitive buttons. Its not simply being mean spirited its criminal and its mental abuse as well as child abuse. She bated a minor.

A grown adult told a 13 year old girl that she was attracted to her, cared for her, was her boyfriend. Then she turned on her just to make her feel horrible about herself. All while knowing this girl was suicidal and on anti-depressants and all while knowing she could manipulate and hurt her emotionally. Thats child abuse and if the police are too blinded by the lack prior convictions and firm in stone laws about this stuff they simply aren't doing their jobs. Their jobs are to police and govern this world to the best of their ability and sometimes that takes actual thinking and rational thought processes. So what if you can't open a law book that specifically address this exact type of situation. Use some god forsaken common sense here. Stop living in a world of absolutes.

I do however agree that her parents should have kept closer taps on their childs internet usage but it doesn't negate a crime.

Matt121
I agree with what Bishop Ryan says something should be done about this woman!
Belle.
QUOTE (Matt121 @ Dec 6 2007, 08:24 AM) *
I agree with what Bishop Ryan says something should be done about this woman!


Me too! Someone create a retrospective law or something tongue.gif
NoahJaymes
QUOTE (Billy of the Hill @ Dec 1 2007, 04:32 AM) *
True. I'm sure there's a case in English...if I remember correctly, where a man was charged with murder, for telling his depressed wife to jump off a cliff, and she did!
Although, he drove her to the cliff.. not sure if that made a difference or not.
As for this case, it's sickening that 'adults' have acted like this.


By telling his wife to jump off the cliff knowing she was depressed, then driving her to that such cliff is killing her but having his hands clean of actual murder. Aiding in suicide is illegal. Now if he were to say, woman go jump off a cliff and she left and found out hours later that she did that, well, he would be a widow, not a man in prison.

As the actual article goes of the teenager committing suicide due to myspace....its really pathetic on the neighbors to do such a thing to a young girl. I mean come on, at that age what the hell are they thinking saying such things to a girl. Granted they can not be charged with murder, but harassment could possibly be in order. However, that will not bring back the young girl, nor bring closure for the family that lost the girl.

Its a sad pathetic world we live in at times.....by sad and pathetic, I mean sad and pathetic ppl.
BishopRyan
QUOTE (EnJay @ Dec 6 2007, 05:08 AM) *
By telling his wife to jump off the cliff knowing she was depressed, then driving her to that such cliff is killing her but having his hands clean of actual murder. Aiding in suicide is illegal. Now if he were to say, woman go jump off a cliff and she left and found out hours later that she did that, well, he would be a widow, not a man in prison.
You're really making my point with that statement. Its not that she simply told her to go off herself. Its the fact that she premeditated mental anguish on someone and preyed on her emotions with the intent to hurt her, maybe not kill her but she orchastrated an attack verbally on someone she knew she could get a rise out of, she knew she could cause emotion pain and that was actually her intentions. She admited her goal was to screw with her. A minor no less and one with a history of mental problems that she in fact knew about. She planned out and executed not only verbal abuse but what would be considered child abuse.

What if she put on a mask and some boyish clothing and fooled this girl face to face into thinking she was a he and her boyfriend. Then pounced on her with the intent to damage her mental state for sheer entertainment. I can promise you we'd see charges then.

I would not be making this arguement if the lady simple went on this girls myspace and left her 1 ugly message under her real name or under anonymous. She in fact put together a rather elaborate plan to screw with her.
goalienan
And screw with this poor girl they did....I read where charges werent being bought up against the family...But I wonder, if the victim's family decided not to briing charges can the State still do it....Just a thought, but if this mental moran gets off on everything, then that's just sick....
soundchaser
I half agree with Matt except for the tactics. Human Rights are essential but if the victims human rights are neglected then that is clearly wrong. In fact, as far as I can see, in the UK it's not the actual statute that's wrong but the interpretation of it in certain cases which leads people to think that, for example, they cannot use force to defend themselves. we ARE allowed to use force.... just has to be reasonable. But that's slightly off the point anyway. The problem is that if the victim's human rights are neglected then there is a call for the other extreme and that doesn't help. The world has seen draconian laws for centuries in one place or another but we still have crime and in fact the world is NOT more dangerous than it used to be. For example, the average life expectancy, in the West anyway, has increased. Of course there are exceptions but in general it's true. In fact the best way to prevent crime is to 1st put a stop to poverty, as contented people are far less likely to commit crime. There are more stages than that but I'll go off the topic again if I go on!

However, I agree with Matt and Bishop Ryan Rockchick and Odd Christian that these people DID contribute to that poor girl's death and should face charges. I'm no lawyer but I find it hard to believe that there isn't enough evidence at least for an abuse charge. The only possible difficulty perhaps is that the mother, as I understand it, is now claiming someone else invented the false identity. But if she went along with it anyway I don't see it lets her off the hook.

Enjay makes a good point about finding closure for the family. Perhaps the decision as to whether action should be taken should be left to them. I'm sure they would get a lot of moral support if they decided to sue.

Whatever.. it's a tragic story.
LissetteNY
some people truly have no lives

as adult do you have absolutely nothing to do with your spare time?

to a little girl .. that's horrbile angry.gif

they definitely need to be punished

Atheist God
QUOTE (LissetteNY @ Dec 18 2007, 07:36 AM) *
some people truly have no lives

as adult do you have absolutely nothing to do with your spare time?

to a little girl .. that's horrbile angry.gif

they definitely need to be punished


Punished for what exactly? Fact is no crime has been committed here.

You people make it seem as if she killed the girl when there were several contributing factors and single cause including the girls own parents and her psychological issues.
LissetteNY
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Dec 18 2007, 12:43 PM) *
Punished for what exactly? Fact is no crime has been committed here.

You people make it seem as if she killed the girl when there were several contributing factors and single cause including the girls own parents and her psychological issues.


she killed herself because of the boy ...

she'd never tried to commit succeed. regardless of her being fat & depressed she'd never really tried to hurt herself

i'm not saying life in jail but wtf kind of parents would do something like that to a little girl .. people've gotten jail time for far lesser "crimes" .. i'm using the word crimes because i'm not sure what to call what they did .. i'm aware of the fact that no technical crime was comitted here
crtDzyn
Vigilante justice anyone?
Atheist God
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she killed herself because of the boy ...


Sorry that's not the only reason why she killed herself... The girl had obvious psychological issues and the online relationship merely triggered her suicidal tendencies. Anyone who kills themselves regardless of age after a 1 month relationship went sour has psychological issues.... Most people wouldn't kill themselves over such a thing.

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she'd never tried to commit succeed. regardless of her being fat & depressed she'd never really tried to hurt herself


Committing suicide is trying to hurt yourself..

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i'm not saying life in jail but wtf kind of parents would do something like that to a little girl .. people've gotten jail time for far lesser "crimes" .. i'm using the word crimes because i'm not sure what to call what they did .. i'm aware of the fact that no technical crime was comitted here


I would call it petty not criminal.

I am 100% sure that the mother didn't know that the girl would kill herself....

I still say this whole thing could have been prevented if the girls parents never allowed her to have an online relationship with someone she didn't know.... What kind of a parent allows a 13 year old with psychological and emotional issues carry out an online relationship?
savvygirl
I think that what lori drew and her daughter have done is truly unforgivable,but what more can the law do?I don't believe the laws will ever be able to be changed,because then people will be getting sued left,right and centre for break up of relationship's or simply giving someone a hard time. Even though i think lori prayed on megan's weaknesses her mother should never have left her alone at home while still logged on to the myspace account. disgust.gif
BishopRyan
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Dec 18 2007, 11:43 AM) *
Punished for what exactly? Fact is no crime has been committed here.

You people make it seem as if she killed the girl when there were several contributing factors and single cause including the girls own parents and her psychological issues.
A grown adult told a 13 year old girl that she was attracted to her, cared for her, was her boyfriend. Then she turned on her just to make her feel horrible about herself. All while knowing this girl was suicidal and on anti-depressants and all while knowing she could manipulate and hurt her emotionally. She premeditated the attack.

I don't see how you can't consider this predatory. This is child abuse. She verbally attacked and manipulated a minor for her own personal satisfaction. The only difference here is that it was done in text and not in person, so what. Had this lady dressed up like a little boy and done the very same thing we'd see charges, and thats the grey area that the police are refusing to address because quite frankly they're too lazy to set the precident here for online behavior.

This type of predatory behavior isn't much different that all those guys trying to hook up with minors via the Dateline specials. All those guys did was show up, they didn't actually have sex with the minors....right. Wrong they preyed on the childrens weaknesses for their personal gain, sound familar.
Atheist God
QUOTE
A grown adult told a 13 year old girl that she was attracted to her, cared for her, was her boyfriend. Then she turned on her just to make her feel horrible about herself. All while knowing this girl was suicidal and on anti-depressants and all while knowing she could manipulate and hurt her emotionally. She premeditated the attack.


I don't think she knew the girl was suicidal this is nothing more then pure speculation, It is also only speculation that turned on her just to make her feel bad... While she was manipulated it was only for a short amount of time a month...

Also this wasn't an attack it was more like a prank not a good one mind you and petty but nothing more.

QUOTE
I don't see how you can't consider this predatory. This is child abuse. She verbally attacked and manipulated a minor for her own personal satisfaction. The only difference here is that it was done in text and not in person, so what. Had this lady dressed up like a little boy and done the very same thing we'd see charges, and thats the grey area that the police are refusing to address because quite frankly they're too lazy to set the precident here for online behavior.


Telling someone child or adult that they are a horrible person is not a crime, I could equally say the girls parents are guilty of neglect for allowing a 13 year old to carry on an online relationship on a social networking website known to be chalk full of child predators with someone she didn't know...

Fact is Lori Drew never had any intention for the girl to kill herself and while what she did was petty I hardly consider this predatory. What she did was nothing more then a prank... a bad one but no crime was committed here. Also the police don't make the law they merely enforce them and there was no law broken no matter which way you spin it.

QUOTE
This type of predatory behavior isn't much different that all those guys trying to hook up with minors via the Dateline specials. All those guys did was show up, they didn't actually have sex with the minors....right. Wrong they preyed on the childrens weaknesses for their personal gain, sound familar


There is a difference between being petty and pranking someone and manipulating a child for the sole purpose of raping them which is illegal. Lori Drew never harmed the child physically and when she thought the girl was becoming far to serious with the phony personality she ended it.

There is a big difference between being petty which is what Drew was and physically harming a child by molesting them against their will. No one forced the girl to have an online relationship unlike real child predators who force themselves upon the child.

Maybe if the parents of the girl didn't allow their child to use websites like myspace she would still be alive. This whole thing could have been prevented and wasn't and the only ones who could have prevented this is the parents and they didn't.

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I'm not siding with any party here but at the same time I'm not going to over exaggerate the situation either, it happened to f*cking bad deal with it. Maybe now parents won't let their 13 year old daughters have relationships online with people the have never met and restrict their access to such websites.
BishopRyan
Lori has admitted that she was well aware of the girls previous suicide attempts as well as being aware that she was on anti-depressants, that is fact, she knew and in fact had been notified by the parents of her medications because the girl had spend the night at Lori's frequently. She admitted that she was out to emotionally screw with this girl, which is going far beyond a prank. She has also admitted that her intent was to hurt her vs. getting a laugh out of her. A prank is something indicative of a good laugh, she premeditated and admitted publically that her intent was to hurt her....feelings, yes not physically but still she preyed on her emotions with intent. I don't know how more obvious it can be. I don't think Lori is entirely at fault for the suicide but she should be held accountable for her behavior. To be off scott free when someones actions resulted in a crime is absurd.
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