wigam...wow...I didn't get to read your last post.

You are really putting yourself out there.The owners of earth? aliens? You are saying that all of this is coming down from them, we are being manipulated.

Look wigam, I've read that stuff too; not everyone agrees with that. And, when I finally figure out what you are talking about, you gotta run off...saying something stupid like, "the aliens or the owners of the earth would rather I didn't".

What do you want us to believe... that you have a direct line?

i dont want u to believe anything, i want u to stop day dreaming.........

k if aliens have been among us for centuries, u think they come here for a picnic?

no sir, they r on official business here.

what do u think their doing?

u think aliens need to come to OUR earth to steal OUR supplies?

or maybe they wanna learn our technologies?

u have a weak mind

Hmmm. You are very defensive aren't you wigwam. There is no reasoning with you. People on here are making the time to read your posts and ask you questions. But you are not willing to elaborate and you come back with these weird statements and as I said do not elaborate which leaves people on here questioning you. Also it would be a little more helpful if you could check over your grammar before posting!

Without wanting to stir things up. To me it sounds like you have been reading too much David Icke et al. You have allowed your imagination to go into overdrive.

I acknowledge that everyone has different beliefs and attitudes but with someone like you deliberately behaving in a way that I can only describe as being immature and childlike and plain rude at times, I believe what you need to be focusing on now is this... Learning how to behave and converse in a polite, courteous and articulate manner with people.

slviercougar = ppl who use the cpu alot start typing you as u, why dont u ask them, im not a dumbass and i didnt invent it

lottie = theres many things u can imagine thats going on in my head..... but u think that im lying and im very rude and childlike



k... i aint no idiot, and im not gona kill myself because u dont believe me, but face it..... U DONT WANT TO BELIEVE, so ur gona lie to urself and ull get this out of ur knowledge, because ur happy, imaging if the hole world knew there was mind control going on, we wouldnt be a very happy bunch would we?, imagine a world with restictions like not being able to leave ur house at night, and all jobs r from the government etc. giving u shitty pay, just enough to live, i dont think it would help either, so what r they gona do instead.......... control the world now, in a discreet way and in the future it will as easy as pie to keep ppl in peace, they HAVE got the technology and if its gona cost billions, then be it, what u dont know wont hurt u....u think the government would rather go to mars than do what i just said and keep the world safe?

im not saying its the governments, could be aliens or secret world leaders...
but remember this.... why r their wars? to keep the world safe from dangerous ppl who own WMD that could seriously wipe out the earth, whats easier, safer, more precise than war? mind control..... once again... r u supposed to know if theres mind control going on? i dont think so mr hanky,

and one more thing i gotta get off of my head.... the world is so F**KED up that ppl r know learning how to make others angry by appearance and many ways i would rather not say... THIS has been created by humans with hate inside, although they dont know what their doing they learn it from depression and they never think about the consequences... all this "HATING" needs to be stopped if we r to proceed to a better future, and theres only one way to do it

PLZ THINK ABOUT UR EVERY MOVE, at least when ur with others

and stoplying to urself, that the biggest threat to date

when i mean lying to urselves, its very complicated, but what u said is one of them, yea.... some ppl can fight it, by THINKING ABOUT UR EVERY MOVE (think alot) .... others r lost and have done it so much that they just do it unwillingly and unknowingly, this leads to very bad situations for many ppl

in my house at night, several times i have heard music. Its clear but a little muted, as if someone had a radio on low in another room. I checked every radio and cd player in the house but none of them were on. It was a different song every time.
The last time this happened was last week. It scared the heck out of me

Not sure if its ghosts or im losing my mind

My house is haunted its cool to man.... Theres the "White Lady" who has on a big frilly dress from about 100 years or so ago... It looks like a wedding dress and shes crying... then theres the eerie feeling in my hallway to.. and the laundry room door .. at night whenever I look over there real fast I can see something step back from the side of the door so I will not see it.. it really does not bother me that much though..

5th page!!!!!! Woohaaa!!! My best topic ever!

Wigam - I've been reading your posts and teh replies of others in this thread and I've been trying to work out the best questions to get useful information out of you.

I really want to understnad what you're trying to get at and why you think this way. Are there other threads that elaborate on this whole "aliens are among us" thing you've got going?

If not -

You say we are lying to ourselves. As Blue Scorpian noted, to be lying to ourselves, does that mean we are ignoring the truth? But how can we be ignoring 'the truth' if we don't know what it is.

How do you, personally, know about these aliens adn the rest of us don't?

Have I totally misunderstood where you are coming from?

And besides, how can we trust what you are saying if you wont trust us with the whole story?

Ok, so many questions...


But, to get back on topic - my only experiences aer with a ouija board. Huge conversations that are hours long with a 'spirit' called trickster. We're (me and the friend I do the ouija with) hoping for some three-day weekends soon so that we can do some experimentation with it. Blindfolding, asking questions in other languages....thigns like that so we can hopefully work out what is ahppeneing when the planchette moves.

I believe in the Butterfly effect

lying to urself, thats the shortest and easiest way i could put it, its FAAAR too complicated to explain, i dont know very well, myself.......... but from what i know, lets put it this way.... id rather not say

what i DO wanna say is..... ignorance (i.e trying to ignore something ur experiencing, and u ignore it so much that ur brain... not react to it and notlet u know its there, i hope i dont sound crazy), and disbelief, habits ( i dont wanna talk bout this one)

ignoring the truth?....... i got temporarily ban the other day for telling u how much ur ignoring the truth, so ill just leave it there

ahem... id like to add, since WW2, ppls brains r not functioning correct, aliens ARE among us, most of u would say so aswell (that their among us).... their here to keep us in tact.. but like 90% of u "believers" dont (how shall i put this).... dont REALLY believe that aliens r among us and NEED proof before their eyes (brain playing tricks).... i know this, so dont come up with some bullshit to, coz thats just ur screwed brain, some ppl r far more screwed than others... this is another example


u should constantly think about ur habits and ignorance towards what u see... i mean ALWAYS think about what ur doing... im not gona mention the more horrific events that occur just because we choose to use our brains like monkeys..... the more u ignore the truth and use ur brain "weakly", the sooner ull start getting fustrated and go nuts, but once again, ur brain doesnt know ur going crazy, neither do ur neighbours, cause the chances r, they r going through the same phase as u.... i know this may sound impossible for many ppl to fight, but the more u fight it, the easier it gets to fight it..... if ur afraid of trying to fight it coz u might go crazy trying, then ur obviously not using ur brain correctly


and last but not least... thank u aliens, for not abandoning this fuked up earth

it seems to me your the one acting ignorant.....

What are we fighting, wigam?

I got the impression that it was the aliens screwing with us but now you're thanking them for not giving up on us...

Edit: profanities removed. Wigam, you've been warned before, there will not be another. Temper the language and exhibit a bit of restraint in your replies if you wish to continue to participate.

Back on topic:

1) Five years old have visitation with a blue alien beside my bed.
2) ages 8 to about 26 had many alien abductions. I can remember everyone. Wouldn't want anyone else to have that happen to them.
3) seen orbs of lights, just last week in class
4) seen many UFO's
5) have been under psychic attacks
6) able to sense energies; etheric, orgone, chi, crystal and minerals.
7) heard, felt and seen ghost/entities
8. see auras
9) oh yeah some secret group tries to attack me with psychotronic devices.

I hope that will spices things up.
For proof, my dog runs in fear when they"the entity" look for me at home. My parents can't figure out whats wrong. When I'm in certain areas I will get headaches, when I leave the area the pain goes away. A group of 7 other people saw the same UFO as me. Aliens stuff, ask my parents about that it's came down thru my dad's family. 2 other people have seen me under psychic attack and also the psychotronic attacks.

If your on the level....I have a few questions.

You say you are able to sense energies...how do you feel when you are sensing the etheric?....and minerals?...what about crystal?

What was the feeling when you 'felt' ghosts?

And, last, but not least, what happened on your abductions?

When I sense a crystals energy it feels like someone is shooting a needle into my hands. Course it depends on the crystal, others can feel like a breeze gently blowing against my hand. The way to discibe this it is like having a breeze blowing only onto your hand, feeling the pressure of the wind pushing against my hands.

With minerals I get full body feeling, like discomfort being around certain rocks, or a stone that makes me feel warm and fuzzy kinda like when your a kid holding your teddy bear.

Etheric energy can be in two forms for me. One making you feel positive and happy, while the other may make you feel disoriented, scattered brain and sickly. It's similar to a crystal energy. You will notice a breeze where theres no physical signs, ( movement of clothes blowing in the wind etc...) Have you ever notice that your hands will ache in a certain area or you will get a headache? That's because of the etheric energy effecting you. Most people just pass this off and don't realize certain areas effect you that way. This may sound goofy but next time you feel uneasy raise your palms up perpandicular to the floor and see what you notice. Are they cold, hot, ache, does a certian area of your hand feel funny? If your alone you can place them out in front of you as if your walking in the dark. See how your hands feel also the rest of your body.

Ghost for me feel like someone is watching me. When you turn you don't see anything. But if I put my hands out I feel a change in pressure where it's located. It's similar to having someone hiding in a room from you, you know they're in there but not quite sure where.

I gotta get going I'll finish up the Abduction tonight.

McGinty

mcgintiy, u have seen loads of mysterious stuff, u also said that most of it was to do with aliens.... now besides the wierd effect u get from mienrals (dont get near me ) , u said u saw a ghost, and u said he was watching u?.... and u still refuse to believe that the ghost was, in fact, an alien up in the sky with equipment that we "humans" dont know about..... so ur telling me, if aliens were here, they wouldnt be able to see through walls and make a ghost form out of light? , coz thats all they r, lights

wigam...where do you get your info?

Wigam if you really want to see aliens in person make Orgone Devices. Use google to find the info.

I'm not sure why I had visitations at night. I haven't figured that one out.
My abductions started when I was about 8 yrs old. I could hear them coming. It's similar to a watch beep at a constant note. Then my body would tense up, a light filled the room and they began to work on me. It would last up to 2 hours. It kinda felt like someone kicking the crap out of you. When I looked into the face of the alien it's skin was similar to wrinkle doug or wrinkled marshmellow skin that had a gray/yellow tint. Eye were large and black small nose and small mouth. I never had a happy feeling or special feeling when they came. I just wanted them to go away. When they would leave the sound stopped and feeling began to come back into my limbs. My bed always felt cold, my sheets would be perfectly tucked in around me folded in half over my stomach, hands clasped on my chest neatly, and legs straight together, feet upright. No wrinkles anywhere, I know that my sheet were clumped up when I went to bed. It make you feel uneasy for the next couple of days. You know something happend but can't really prove it except for some strange bruising and pains.
This lasted until I was 26, I finally was able to fight back, move when they were trying to paralyze me. This freaked them out. It's been 2 yrs since I have been visited. I have heard the sound as they got near me but nothing has come of it.

I have ask if my parents ever heard me screaming for them, but nothing was heard. I said the F-word so many times at the aliens that someone should of washed my mouth out with soap.

Now day's I don't worry if they're coming for me at night. They just don't scare me anymore.

It depends on how focused the energy is. If the energy is broad you will notice it more over the whole of your hand including fingers. A fine point of energy will focus on a certain spot, like a laser, where you move your hand over is where you will feel it. I just use my palms because they are the most sensitive. For other's it can be their finger tips or another part of their body. Theres no set standard for feeling energy's with a certain body part, everyone is different.
If it really starts to hurt or you can't get the feeling out of your hand. Shake them at your side, a good tens seconds or so. That will remove the unwanted buildup of energies. And just experiment to see how your phone feels in your hand, is the monitor doing anything, pick up certain items and notice how you feel. You may be surprised that you'll recognize an object before even seeing it or physically touching it.

It fun to play with. Sometimes I feel like a kid in a candy store wondering what the next flavor will be.

First of all I love this website ....I enjoy reading everyone's posts, it's informative, educational, interesting and entertaining...so I thought it was about time I contribute a few cents.

Experiences!??!? Honestly, I could write a novel about each occurance but I won't torture you all just yet LOL I will share them one at a time....the slow and painful way hehehe.

When I was 17 years old I was introduced to Oujia...all kinds of weird things occured around me and the people I was religiously playing it with - one night a guy that we didn't really know was brought up by a spirit on the board...we were all blown away that the spirit would mention this basic stranger to us...he worked at our work - this click of friends and I all worked at the same place - but that was the extent of our knowing this guy - he was not part of our circle - just a few days after his name was spelt out by Oujia that very guy came into our department at work and started bad mouthing one of our group (she wasn't even there at the time to defend herself, the nerve!!!) - he no sooner spoke ill of her, turned and went back to work >> climbed up a ladder in the warehouse....FELL AND BIT THE END OF HIS TONGUE OFF...that is just one example of the things that were happening...we were pretty wrapped up in it all...i would go home after playing Oujia with this circle of friends so freaked out by our visitors and the messages and my dad would say 'your friends are f&*#ing with you' - i giggle about that now cuz i swear my dad was even more scared then me...i know it's hard to believe but if you lived through it all you'd know it was real - it all finally ended when I spent my 18th birthday begging a mean and evil spirit to leave while we went around the circle vowing and swearing on our lives we'd never ever play again...we were bargaining with this particular spirit for hours - it was not a good birthday and this spirit was not leaving until we made that pact. It should almost be a movie - don't ya think???

And don't you know that a few years later I was sharing this story with someone who was stupid enough to dare me to try it again...and I was calm and cool enough to agree but just as I went to touch the board an ornament came off the wall behind me and bonked me right in the back of my head!! Needless to say the idea of stirring it all up again didn't seem so necessary afterall. We quickly packed the board up and never entertained the thought again.

Okay enough for now, and I'm sorry for being so loooong winded but I'm (good) like that LOL seriously I thought I did well breaking it down for ya's hehehe....I will share another chapter of my lifes experiences again soon.

One more thing, I can hardly wait to hear what our ol' pal Wiggam is gonna have to say and I'm ready. (<< see that's me waiting) Go ahead....shoot!

Welcome to the UM tarabull

I'm also into ouija boarding. Tomorrow is friday 13th so I'm going to board a bit at school, with my board buddy with whom I ouija. I'm realy quite excited to find out whether it will cahnge anything or improve it's performance.

I'll post what happens.

Potholer

Tanks Mang to Potholer for the warm reception - I really think I'm going to like it here LOL

You are a brave soul to be ouija boarding on friday the 13th...I'm scared just thinking about it.

I'll be watching for your play by play.

I have a ouija board and i've tried wit friends but there seriously isn't anything paranormal that came out of it. I still have the ouija board which was given as a birthday gift from my friends who also wanted to try it out.

Oh yea, Welcome to the UM forum Tarabull, its nice to see new people. You know what they say "the more the merrier"

Anyways, on a serious note, i was wondering how exactly did you ouija? How was your friends sitting and how were they holding the palette? Me and my friends tried everything we could think of, i even went on the internet to gain some information, but wasn't enough to even contact one measly ghost. Although i'm sure this is a good thing compared to the experiences you've had.

I've had older relatives who've made contact but its one of those experiences where it should be kept in the confidential file, seeing as they are now older and have a families of their own. They sure as hell didn't want me to get into this as it sure scared the hell out of them and my parents who were also affected by it, since they were living with my relatives back in the days.

Anyways, enough about them, any more stories about your experiences?
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My Experiences...
1. Shorted out a lightbulb [Without touch, EK]
2. Predicted many things that have all been true except for one which isnt supposed to happen till 4 years from now [ my death]
3. Had multiple interactions with Demons, or ghosts as you all call them...
4. Met many people with extrodanary abilities [TK, PK, CK, and LK]
I would list more, but im not even sure you all would believe them unless you saw it...

The ouija boarding today -

My friend, R, forgot to bring the board to school so we had to make another at lunchtime. She also had maths homework she hadn't done and ended up doing at lunch (the slacker) so I did it with some toher friends - Emma and Jess.

Ok, I'll try not to draw this out.

It worked. Broad daylight, sitting on the field in a group of about 6 or 7 people and the board worked. OF course, at first, my friends were like "Stop moving it Jess" or "Jen [me] that is so you, stop it!" but eventaully they settled that none of us were consciously moving

We tried it about 2 or 3 times and mostly it moved around the board aimlessly, occasionally going to random letters or yes or no.

When it did get going, the answers we could get out of it were somewhere along the lines of -
It had a message for Jess - it was Jess's soulmate from her present life (not a past life). His initials are FBB, and she should know what they stand for (even though she doesn't).
it also spelled out "JE NO [as in the negative, no] Y" Which sort of resembles "Je knows why"

Generally very inconclusive but still enough to freak them out. Hehe.

They said they wanted to start doing it more often but me and R told them to do research and stuff before they really got into it. With warnings about dangers of possession and institutionalisation if they didn't . I think we've got them scared enough not to do it until they've found a bit more out. *phew*

Blue-scorpio - you said that it never worked for you. SOme people can't board. Uh oh. I think I've said this before...hehe, oh well. Not sure why, but it doesn't work. (not that I'm encouraging you to do it or anything) but you could try it with different combinations of people - 2, 3, 4 people or different people. Way too many "people"'s in that sentence...

Vicxr - does it scare you to know when you're going to die or do you just not mind, or don't believe it will happen?
You ahve more experiences? I'm sure we'd all like to hear about them

Potholer

hey again everybody....whatz going on??? Thanks to Blue Scorpian for the welcome earlier, I thought I'd answer your question before calling it a night.

You asked 'how exactly did we Ouija?'

You might be surprised to hear (this is the peasant vision version of game boards), we always made our own, by cutting out squares of paper and writing one symbol per square starting with A thru Z, YES, NO, 0 thru 9, HELLO, GOOD-BYE...the squares are placed in a circle around the table...the spirit/movement is channelled through a lightweight short plain drinking glass. It is placed bottom side up in the middle of the table, everyone places one finger on the edge of the bottom of the glass ever so lightly....everyone concentrate and imagine and focus on what you are doing >> calling out for someone....state out loud "is there anyone out there that would like to make contact with anyone here tonight/today?" call that out a few times...in a welcoming soothing voice...and if that doesn't get a reaction ask "is there anyone out there with a story to tell?"..."we are here and we are listening, we'd love to talk to you"...Basically just be calm and inviting and coaxing....it never seemed to take very long before we'd have someone. (If one person isn't really into it and doesn't take it seriously by really concentrating, it will not work)

It always happened so easy and natural with the circle of friends that I got involved with. They had played before, so they were pretty much experts in my eyes....I had played on a real board made by Milton Bradley at like 12 years old but it was just kidstuff back then...you know when someone always ruins it by pushing it!!! and you know they are!!!! But later in life, when I played as more of a young adult, it was very serious, it was not a game and the night I referred to in an earlier post, when the spirit was evil and mean, that glass was doing big circles around the table enough to make ya dizzy...and he kept pushing the paper squares with symbols right off the table...he was really wound up (I say HE cuz he identified himself as a male named John).

Anyways, you got me all worked up just thinking about those days again, must turn it off....I'll be all scared going to sleep now LOL but seriously I must call it a night and will contribute another chapter tomorrow.

Everybody take care and ta ta for now.

Oh yea one more thing, it didn't matter if it was day or night, there was always some excitement.

It works for me...and it will even work when I play alone...but nothing really ever comes of it.I didn't contact any spirits....they say it's your subconscious you're contacting.

I played once with a friend and she contacted someone that said they were the 'universal consciousness'.I wanted to continue, but she didn't....we were really getting somewhere, too. When I played the board with her it seemed to like her and it gave her answers that were strange and fascinating, but she got spooked.I have to admit it has never answered me like that.When I play I think I just talk to myself and when other people join me I think we just talk to each other.Never had much luck.

Scorpian - Not sure if I should be saying this but to hell with it. My board buddy and I have always found a contact who we call Trickster, very talkative. He is aboutt he only one we get full sentences and words from.
It's apparently rude to ask for certain spirits but if you ask for him next time you give it a go. Might get better results.

Me adn my buddy are still trying to think of ways to test the whole "it's your subconcious" theory. Haven't had too many chances to try them though.

Hehe, I make myself laugh too. . And half the time what I'm laughing at isn't even funny. Other people laughing makes me laugh...

Anyway.



Potholer

Lol. Scorpion

Trickster is...well, he's exactly that. He's a trickster. I don't thiink he's evil or good, but he does love to try and fool you.

To tell you the truth, my fsamily doesn't know about my boarding. Well, my little brtother does, but that was a passing comment and I don't think he thinks about it at all. Neither of my parents know. My dad is a sceptic aboutt]\ these things. He thinks that people who believe in this stuff are funny, and sometimes worrying.
I remember, in form one (11yrs old) I did a board at school (it did nothing, no movemetn at all) and put it in my bag afterwards. When I got home, mum got quite angry that I'd tried it and didn't want me to dabble in such things. What she doesn't know can't hurt her though. We only board at my friends house because I'm sort of worried of getting caught at my house. In my own mind, I've made her firdst forbiddance null so, right now 'm no going against her wishes. I don't really like to lie straight out and if she finds out and foribids me to continue, then I'll most likely stop, which I don't want to.

Potholer

Mesa like a cold Kiwi, for a yummy breakfast munchin.

I apologize for the late reply, I have been rather busy.

I don't mind knowing when im going to die, after the first year or so I got used to it.

For one thing you probably wouldnt believe, Is that I am the reincarnation of Vicxr Onin-Taku and currently he has taking renting quarters [so to say] in my mind...makes me sound crazy... but its a common fact that insane people never doubt there own sanity, which I have done on multiple accounts...

I would type more, but I'm Lazy and need to get back to my message board.

How long have you known when your death is, Vixcr?

Ooooo, I'm staying the night at my board buddy's house on friday night and we have a sports day on friday so she's is bringing it to the park place that we go to for it. How very exciting.

I'll write up what happens

Goodness me, there's a dude in the chatroom's at the moment who says he can read minds. He can. He has gottne so much stuff correct about myself adn two other members plus my friend who has come on. It's incredible.

I gotta go now.

Potholer

Cool! If someone here is a psychic could you tell me my dog's name and if you get that right; when and how will I kick the bucket?